I didn't read other peoples comment so sorry if someone already said this but this is probably similar to how elder scrolls online became a MMO some dick got a few people together came up with 5 half arsed idea on why it would be good and Elder scrolls online was born a fucking abomination. You can probably apply this to star wars too some games are just not meant to be MMO's and some developers are just not good enough to pull it off just leave our beloved single player games alone.
as you can see it reached 79 pages of complaints already in this thread alone - and all are people who cannot play the game at all (like me..)
I actually had issues with this, myself. I fixed them simply by disabled Origin In-Game in the Origin Settings. Ironic that Origin causes the crashes, but could help you!
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Nope and nope. There is still a need for great single-player (with multi option) games. Not everything has to be an MMO. Making something an MMO doesn't usually make it better. Kind of like turning a book into a movie. You can do things in a stand alone game that you cant do in a 3000 player persistent world. Besides don't we have enough dragonballs and witch-tits MMOs?
It can also be made into a horrible MMO. By now, I would think that people would have learned that a pre existing IP has little to do with how great or bad an MMO can be made. What makes a great, or bad MMO is great, or bad development. not some "magical" IP. Anyone's IP can be made into a great MMO.
DA might be a good MMO but we've seen the debacle that BioWare made with SWTOR so I would rather not see them crap further on what used to be a decent franchise (loved DA:O, hated DA2, waiting for reviews/bug fixes before checking out DA:I). Give DA to some non-EA group and it would probably be fine.
Originally posted by Dragnelus Just like swtor and eso?!
^^^This
Too bad if they did ever, which will never happen, it will be utter crap as AAA developer MMOs cater to the casuals and destroy all potential.
However if they were ever to make a famous IP MMO then I would hope it would be Mass Effect, much more suitable and a lot more conflicts suitable to an mmo.
I agree, it has the potential to be a great mmo; like you say half the work is already done. They will also be able to build and fine-tune how online co-operative play works through the existing multiplayer aspect of the game (which is basically just taking dungeon runs from an mmo).
The original concept of synergy between spell/skill effects seen in DAO would be amazing in an mmo, I think combat wise that is an area they could go crazy with and flesh out a lot more to make group play highly tactical (in DAI spell/skill synergy appears really limited).
Uhh..for PC Players there is a HUGE thread about the numerous problems with the mouse and Keyboard control scheme that the press seem to have totally missed.
Too many of our excellent games have been gutted by trying to make them into MMOs.
Instead of another KOTOR we got bloody SWTOR.
Instead of another Elder Scrolls game with Co-Op Multiplayer, we got Elder Scrolls Online.
Instead of an advanced Dragon Age Origin type game with Co-Op Multiplayer we got an MMO-Styled third person single player action game , with a separate Multiplayer component with a cash shop.
So No, I do not want a Dragon Age MMO. The fans of the series are not asking for a Dragon Age MMO, they didn't ask for a gameplay style like DA:I either, actually.
Another part that would need to be resolved is the Pause based TACTICAL COMBAT that is supposed to be present in DA:I, that was present in DA:O and DA2. Baldurs Gate, Neverwinter Nights and others. That's a problem, that RPGs now are supposed to be bastardised and twisted into a failed "MMO" playstyle that is simply designed to wring money from the playerbase using clever addiction manipulation techniques. Unique, innovative design, tactical playstyle never get the AAA treatment. Franchises are warped and battered into something unrecognisable after players contribute millions in sales and grow these franchises.
Dragon Age Inquisition's MMO style quests of gather 20 of this, and kill 10 of that is not something to be proud of in the series, it is not some defining moment in the evolution of RPG design on the computer. It's a retrograde step that cheapens what should be a deep, story driven experience.
The only people who really want a Dragon Age MMO are the number crunchers who want to go multiplayer only in their games so they can grab recurring income from their customer base in cash shops, subscription fees, or both.
What exactly do any of the points listed by the author have to do with whether a game is good or not? Yes they are nice features to have but many MMO's have these already. So what would differentiate the DA MMO from any of the hundreds of other MMO's in existence?
Unfortuantely I could not find the answer in the article.
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1. It's Dragon Age - The hype would be in insane, everyone would want their cut on the game. Then at release the game will have a million hypercritical reviews, with every small thing that differs from The one true vision(TM) villified and reviled.
2. You would not have the graphics that you have in the present game. See #1 for the reaction of the gamers...
3. Skyrim anyone?
4. Balancing the game would be next to impossible with all of the choices for your character, see # 1 for the reaction of the gamers.
5. The main problem is the burden that the IP brings in developing a game like that. If ESO had released under a different name, it would not have had half the trouble that it did on release.
DA(series) is great, I have replayed 1 and 2 and plan to get hours of enjoyment from 3, to be morphed into an MMO, no thank you, the bar would be set too high and the hype would drown the game.
1. It's Dragon Age - The hype would be in insane, everyone would want their cut on the game. Then at release the game will have a million hypercritical reviews, with every small thing that differs from The one true vision(TM) villified and reviled.
2. You would not have the graphics that you have in the present game. See #1 for the reaction of the gamers...
3. Skyrim anyone?
4. Balancing the game would be next to impossible with all of the choices for your character, see # 1 for the reaction of the gamers.
5. The main problem is the burden that the IP brings in developing a game like that. If ESO had released under a different name, it would not have had half the trouble that it did on release.
DA(series) is great, I have replayed 1 and 2 and plan to get hours of enjoyment from 3, to be morphed into an MMO, no thank you, the bar would be set too high and the hype would drown the game.
These are much better reasons than the author provides in the article!
I was one of those who once thought that a Skyrim MMO might be a good thing.
Now I think there are some MMO's that shouldn't be made into MMO's.
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I haven't even had a chance to play DA:I yet but I remember commenting a few months ago, I think on this site, that Dragon Age needed to be an MMO. BIOWARE PLEASE MAKE IT!! Just please make it action combat.
Originally posted by Samhael DA might be a good MMO but we've seen the debacle that BioWare made with SWTOR so I would rather not see them crap further on what used to be a decent franchise (loved DA:O, hated DA2, waiting for reviews/bug fixes before checking out DA:I). Give DA to some non-EA group and it would probably be fine.
Debacle? SWTOR was the 4th most successful sub based MMO (because of their optional sub model) in 2013 and is still doing quite well currently, especially with the new content coming out. If number 4 in the world is bad, then I'd love to play a DA "debacle". The only games that did better than SWTOR in 2013 were WoW (obviously), Lineage 1 and TERA (which are both big in the East). What game have you been playing lately that isn't in that top 4??
What exactly do any of the points listed by the author have to do with whether a game is good or not? Yes they are nice features to have but many MMO's have these already. So what would differentiate the DA MMO from any of the hundreds of other MMO's in existence?
Unfortuantely I could not find the answer in the article.
Because they are key features which underpin great mmos?
Lore- all the great mmos have deep lore:check
Huge world - ditto above: check
Already plays like mmo: the gameplay mechanics are well suited to an mmo-style game: check
The answers you couldn't find in the article would be the ones that confirm whether it is a great mmo, which we wouldn't know until it was actually being designed. The foundations for greatness are there, however.
One other thing: "many mmos have these already". Actually, I am pretty sure only the best mmos have such amazing lore/world, and the gameplay is already better than most mmos.
What exactly do any of the points listed by the author have to do with whether a game is good or not? Yes they are nice features to have but many MMO's have these already. So what would differentiate the DA MMO from any of the hundreds of other MMO's in existence?
Unfortuantely I could not find the answer in the article.
Because they are key features which underpin great mmos?
Lore- all the great mmos have deep lore:check
Huge world - ditto above: check
Already plays like mmo: the gameplay mechanics are well suited to an mmo-style game: check
The answers you couldn't find in the article would be the ones that confirm whether it is a great mmo, which we wouldn't know until it was actually being designed. The foundations for greatness are there, however.
One other thing: "many mmos have these already". Actually, I am pretty sure only the best mmos have such amazing lore/world, and the gameplay is already better than most mmos.
Sure and we have given you a couple of examples. SWTOR And Elder Scrolls online. Could probably throw LoTR in their as well.
I am not saying they are bad MMO's but would you call them great?
What does DA have that that makes it a superior basis for an MMO than either of those two? Thats the question that hasn't been answered. Because lots of games have those things already.
Lets just say Dragon Age might make a decent MMO on par with the above games and let it go at that.
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as you can see it reached 79 pages of complaints already in this thread alone - and all are people who cannot play the game at all (like me..)
I actually had issues with this, myself. I fixed them simply by disabled Origin In-Game in the Origin Settings. Ironic that Origin causes the crashes, but could help you!
And also increased my FPS.
I love the game, but they need a lot of optimization and fixes. HQ.Dragonage.com still isn't even up <.<. Most likely since Multiplayer is have so many issues too.
What exactly do any of the points listed by the author have to do with whether a game is good or not? Yes they are nice features to have but many MMO's have these already. So what would differentiate the DA MMO from any of the hundreds of other MMO's in existence?
Unfortuantely I could not find the answer in the article.
Because they are key features which underpin great mmos?
Lore- all the great mmos have deep lore:check
Huge world - ditto above: check
Already plays like mmo: the gameplay mechanics are well suited to an mmo-style game: check
The answers you couldn't find in the article would be the ones that confirm whether it is a great mmo, which we wouldn't know until it was actually being designed. The foundations for greatness are there, however.
One other thing: "many mmos have these already". Actually, I am pretty sure only the best mmos have such amazing lore/world, and the gameplay is already better than most mmos.
Sure and we have given you a couple of examples. SWTOR And Elder Scrolls online. Could probably throw LoTR in their as well.
I am not saying they are bad MMO's but would you call them great?
What does DA have that that makes it a superior basis for an MMO than either of those two? Thats the question that hasn't been answered. Because lots of games have those things already.
Lets just say Dragon Age might make a decent MMO on par with the above games and let it go at that.
And "we" have already said that Swotr and ESO are among the best mmos available.
DA has already established the groundwork for what could be a great mmo, Bioware do have experience making mmos; its only a relatively short step to DA actually being a great mmo. The hard work has already been done, if the devs wanted to go in that direction I am sure they would give us an amazing mmo experience.
Personally, I am happy with just the single player DA games, but its undeniable that DA has all the trappings of potentially becoming a great mmo as well.
I believe there already is a Dragon Age MMO. It's called Elder Scrolls Online. It would pretty much be the same thing, with very minor differences.
Either way, Dragon Age: Inquisition was designed as an MMO first, but then changed during development. It's why you see so much filler content in the game.
As many have pointed lout i think that SW:ToR showed that even if you have a strong fanbase that does not always translate in to a userbase for a MMO... TSO drive that point in even more.
So i think i have to say no to this idea... I agree it has what is needed but that does not always equal that something should be done.
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I didn't read other peoples comment so sorry if someone already said this but this is probably similar to how elder scrolls online became a MMO some dick got a few people together came up with 5 half arsed idea on why it would be good and Elder scrolls online was born a fucking abomination. You can probably apply this to star wars too some games are just not meant to be MMO's and some developers are just not good enough to pull it off just leave our beloved single player games alone.
I actually had issues with this, myself. I fixed them simply by disabled Origin In-Game in the Origin Settings. Ironic that Origin causes the crashes, but could help you!
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It can also be made into a horrible MMO. By now, I would think that people would have learned that a pre existing IP has little to do with how great or bad an MMO can be made. What makes a great, or bad MMO is great, or bad development. not some "magical" IP. Anyone's IP can be made into a great MMO.
^^^This
Too bad if they did ever, which will never happen, it will be utter crap as AAA developer MMOs cater to the casuals and destroy all potential.
However if they were ever to make a famous IP MMO then I would hope it would be Mass Effect, much more suitable and a lot more conflicts suitable to an mmo.
I agree, it has the potential to be a great mmo; like you say half the work is already done. They will also be able to build and fine-tune how online co-operative play works through the existing multiplayer aspect of the game (which is basically just taking dungeon runs from an mmo).
The original concept of synergy between spell/skill effects seen in DAO would be amazing in an mmo, I think combat wise that is an area they could go crazy with and flesh out a lot more to make group play highly tactical (in DAI spell/skill synergy appears really limited).
Uhh..for PC Players there is a HUGE thread about the numerous problems with the mouse and Keyboard control scheme that the press seem to have totally missed.
http://forum.bioware.com/topic/521697-pc-community-concerns/
1887 replies. I kid you not.
And no, I would not want a Dragon Age MMO.
Too many of our excellent games have been gutted by trying to make them into MMOs.
Instead of another KOTOR we got bloody SWTOR.
Instead of another Elder Scrolls game with Co-Op Multiplayer, we got Elder Scrolls Online.
Instead of an advanced Dragon Age Origin type game with Co-Op Multiplayer we got an MMO-Styled third person single player action game , with a separate Multiplayer component with a cash shop.
So No, I do not want a Dragon Age MMO. The fans of the series are not asking for a Dragon Age MMO, they didn't ask for a gameplay style like DA:I either, actually.
Another part that would need to be resolved is the Pause based TACTICAL COMBAT that is supposed to be present in DA:I, that was present in DA:O and DA2. Baldurs Gate, Neverwinter Nights and others. That's a problem, that RPGs now are supposed to be bastardised and twisted into a failed "MMO" playstyle that is simply designed to wring money from the playerbase using clever addiction manipulation techniques. Unique, innovative design, tactical playstyle never get the AAA treatment. Franchises are warped and battered into something unrecognisable after players contribute millions in sales and grow these franchises.
Dragon Age Inquisition's MMO style quests of gather 20 of this, and kill 10 of that is not something to be proud of in the series, it is not some defining moment in the evolution of RPG design on the computer. It's a retrograde step that cheapens what should be a deep, story driven experience.
The only people who really want a Dragon Age MMO are the number crunchers who want to go multiplayer only in their games so they can grab recurring income from their customer base in cash shops, subscription fees, or both.
Go kill your own 10 goats. I'm not interested.
1 reason why it wouldn't make a great MMO: Bioware.
After the swtor disaster, they would have to prove themselves that they could handle another MMO.
Lore?
Huge world?
Already plays like an MMO???
What exactly do any of the points listed by the author have to do with whether a game is good or not? Yes they are nice features to have but many MMO's have these already. So what would differentiate the DA MMO from any of the hundreds of other MMO's in existence?
Unfortuantely I could not find the answer in the article.
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Why it would not make a good MMO...
1. It's Dragon Age - The hype would be in insane, everyone would want their cut on the game. Then at release the game will have a million hypercritical reviews, with every small thing that differs from The one true vision(TM) villified and reviled.
2. You would not have the graphics that you have in the present game. See #1 for the reaction of the gamers...
3. Skyrim anyone?
4. Balancing the game would be next to impossible with all of the choices for your character, see # 1 for the reaction of the gamers.
5. The main problem is the burden that the IP brings in developing a game like that. If ESO had released under a different name, it would not have had half the trouble that it did on release.
DA(series) is great, I have replayed 1 and 2 and plan to get hours of enjoyment from 3, to be morphed into an MMO, no thank you, the bar would be set too high and the hype would drown the game.
These are much better reasons than the author provides in the article!
I was one of those who once thought that a Skyrim MMO might be a good thing.
Now I think there are some MMO's that shouldn't be made into MMO's.
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Debacle? SWTOR was the 4th most successful sub based MMO (because of their optional sub model) in 2013 and is still doing quite well currently, especially with the new content coming out. If number 4 in the world is bad, then I'd love to play a DA "debacle". The only games that did better than SWTOR in 2013 were WoW (obviously), Lineage 1 and TERA (which are both big in the East). What game have you been playing lately that isn't in that top 4??
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Because they are key features which underpin great mmos?
Lore- all the great mmos have deep lore:check
Huge world - ditto above: check
Already plays like mmo: the gameplay mechanics are well suited to an mmo-style game: check
The answers you couldn't find in the article would be the ones that confirm whether it is a great mmo, which we wouldn't know until it was actually being designed. The foundations for greatness are there, however.
One other thing: "many mmos have these already". Actually, I am pretty sure only the best mmos have such amazing lore/world, and the gameplay is already better than most mmos.
Sure and we have given you a couple of examples. SWTOR And Elder Scrolls online. Could probably throw LoTR in their as well.
I am not saying they are bad MMO's but would you call them great?
What does DA have that that makes it a superior basis for an MMO than either of those two? Thats the question that hasn't been answered. Because lots of games have those things already.
Lets just say Dragon Age might make a decent MMO on par with the above games and let it go at that.
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And also increased my FPS.
I love the game, but they need a lot of optimization and fixes. HQ.Dragonage.com still isn't even up <.<. Most likely since Multiplayer is have so many issues too.
And "we" have already said that Swotr and ESO are among the best mmos available.
DA has already established the groundwork for what could be a great mmo, Bioware do have experience making mmos; its only a relatively short step to DA actually being a great mmo. The hard work has already been done, if the devs wanted to go in that direction I am sure they would give us an amazing mmo experience.
Personally, I am happy with just the single player DA games, but its undeniable that DA has all the trappings of potentially becoming a great mmo as well.
I believe there already is a Dragon Age MMO. It's called Elder Scrolls Online. It would pretty much be the same thing, with very minor differences.
Either way, Dragon Age: Inquisition was designed as an MMO first, but then changed during development. It's why you see so much filler content in the game.
As many have pointed lout i think that SW:ToR showed that even if you have a strong fanbase that does not always translate in to a userbase for a MMO... TSO drive that point in even more.
So i think i have to say no to this idea... I agree it has what is needed but that does not always equal that something should be done.
This have been a good conversation
Good point.
Would be a dumbfvck, water-downed cash grab a la ESO.
No thanks.