I imagine whales don't give a crap about PR. Pay-to-win is actually a GOOD thing for them too, anyways. (consider that whales make up the majority of an F2P games' income if the game is pursuing the whaling strategy)
Where they might actually care is exploits where people get the same power as them for free. Even then, that likely won't stop them from trying and paying for other Trion games. Trion can always blame XLGames for the shoddy coding anyways.
There is no blaming XL - they are responsible for AAs server and client code 100%, that's not blaming thats a fact.
Look at Trions own games vs AA in terms of shoddy code and exploits - day and night difference.
As far as OP goes - CEOs are judged on financial performance by the board of directors- not forum posts - AA is a cash cow, Trion covered all localization costs back in Alpha via pack sales.
And who manages the cash shop which has been one of the worst in any MMO to date? The servers that can't stay up? Who decides when to put in certain features like intorducing Hasla weapons 2 years too soon? TRION does. Who runs support for the game and takes 30+ days to answer a ticket? TRION does. Who accepts a deal to manage a game they had no developer rights to? TRION did. So maybe you should just stop defending Trion, because at this point it is laughable when you do.
I had a quest bug where I could not get the jury duty quest even though I had zero infamy and committed no crimes. I put a ticket in and a month later finally got an answer back amounting to "sorry, but we didn't develop the game and can't fix that, we will forward the bug report to XL Games." Seriously? Really? Who does this? I have been playing MMOs since UO and have never encountered so much BS as I did the few months of the Archeage debacle. This game is an MMO catastrophe, you and a few of your friends still playing it are the only ones who don't get it.
As for Trion's record, they started out awesome with Rift but have run that game into the ground the past year or two. Poor management, period. Defiance just sucks so I won't even go there.
I absolutely LOVE when people jump into F2P games expecting the same type of service as P2P....
I imagine whales don't give a crap about PR. Pay-to-win is actually a GOOD thing for them too, anyways. (consider that whales make up the majority of an F2P games' income if the game is pursuing the whaling strategy)
Where they might actually care is exploits where people get the same power as them for free. Even then, that likely won't stop them from trying and paying for other Trion games. Trion can always blame XLGames for the shoddy coding anyways.
There is no blaming XL - they are responsible for AAs server and client code 100%, that's not blaming thats a fact.
Look at Trions own games vs AA in terms of shoddy code and exploits - day and night difference.
As far as OP goes - CEOs are judged on financial performance by the board of directors- not forum posts - AA is a cash cow, Trion covered all localization costs back in Alpha via pack sales.
And who manages the cash shop which has been one of the worst in any MMO to date?
Trion runs the cash shop on their platform but XL approves all pricing. Trion cant set or change any prices without a nod from XL, also all items listed in the shop are driven by XL.
The servers that can't stay up?
Server uptime is Trions responsibility, server downtime caused by server code or security issues is XLs problem
Who decides when to put in certain features like intorducing Hasla weapons 2 years too soon? TRION does.
Completely wrong - XL coded those quests and weapons and they tell Trion what quests are on or off in the patches they send to Trion. Remember that Trion has ZERO access to game code which this is a game code issue 100%.
Who runs support for the game and takes 30+ days to answer a ticket? TRION does.
CS support is 100% Trions responsibility - I would say that your 30 day example is an exception not the norm.
Who accepts a deal to manage a game they had no developer rights to? TRION did.
Every publisher does when it comes to overseas games - You think SoE has development rights to Dragons Prophet??
So maybe you should just stop defending Trion, because at this point it is laughable when you do.
facts need to be brought up - as you can see from this very post you are mistaken in quite a number of points you made
I had a quest bug where I could not get the jury duty quest even though I had zero infamy and committed no crimes. I put a ticket in and a month later finally got an answer back amounting to "sorry, but we didn't develop the game and can't fix that, we will forward the bug report to XL Games." Seriously? Really? Who does this? I have been playing MMOs since UO and have never encountered so much BS as I did the few months of the Archeage debacle. This game is an MMO catastrophe, you and a few of your friends still playing it are the only ones who don't get it.
Again what happened to you is unfortunate, but it is an exception not the norm. I've never heard of anyone having this issue in my alliance.
As for Trion's record, they started out awesome with Rift but have run that game into the ground the past year or two. Poor management, period. Defiance just sucks so I won't even go there.
Opinions vary - I disagree with yours entirely
So DMKano, show me some links where you get your facts from.
Lol, all this XL games this Trion that, who cares. Bottom line is, all Trion had to do was a little homework on XL, and AA and not take it on. They did, and now will forever be associated with. Trion is forever damaged in my eyes and many others, and IMO deserve it.
I imagine whales don't give a crap about PR. Pay-to-win is actually a GOOD thing for them too, anyways. (consider that whales make up the majority of an F2P games' income if the game is pursuing the whaling strategy)
Where they might actually care is exploits where people get the same power as them for free. Even then, that likely won't stop them from trying and paying for other Trion games. Trion can always blame XLGames for the shoddy coding anyways.
There is no blaming XL - they are responsible for AAs server and client code 100%, that's not blaming thats a fact.
Look at Trions own games vs AA in terms of shoddy code and exploits - day and night difference.
As far as OP goes - CEOs are judged on financial performance by the board of directors- not forum posts - AA is a cash cow, Trion covered all localization costs back in Alpha via pack sales.
And who manages the cash shop which has been one of the worst in any MMO to date?
Trion runs the cash shop on their platform but XL approves all pricing. Trion cant set or change any prices without a nod from XL, also all items listed in the shop are driven by XL.
The servers that can't stay up?
Server uptime is Trions responsibility, server downtime caused by server code or security issues is XLs problem
Who decides when to put in certain features like intorducing Hasla weapons 2 years too soon? TRION does.
Completely wrong - XL coded those quests and weapons and they tell Trion what quests are on or off in the patches they send to Trion. Remember that Trion has ZERO access to game code which this is a game code issue 100%.
Who runs support for the game and takes 30+ days to answer a ticket? TRION does.
CS support is 100% Trions responsibility - I would say that your 30 day example is an exception not the norm.
Who accepts a deal to manage a game they had no developer rights to? TRION did.
Every publisher does when it comes to overseas games - You think SoE has development rights to Dragons Prophet??
So maybe you should just stop defending Trion, because at this point it is laughable when you do.
facts need to be brought up - as you can see from this very post you are mistaken in quite a number of points you made
I had a quest bug where I could not get the jury duty quest even though I had zero infamy and committed no crimes. I put a ticket in and a month later finally got an answer back amounting to "sorry, but we didn't develop the game and can't fix that, we will forward the bug report to XL Games." Seriously? Really? Who does this? I have been playing MMOs since UO and have never encountered so much BS as I did the few months of the Archeage debacle. This game is an MMO catastrophe, you and a few of your friends still playing it are the only ones who don't get it.
Again what happened to you is unfortunate, but it is an exception not the norm. I've never heard of anyone having this issue in my alliance.
As for Trion's record, they started out awesome with Rift but have run that game into the ground the past year or two. Poor management, period. Defiance just sucks so I won't even go there.
Opinions vary - I disagree with yours entirely
So DMKano, show me some links where you get your facts from.
It was covered in Thursdays twitch streams with Victoria Voss as well as podcasts and interviews.
Here is one to get you starte
DMKano you wrote:
"Trion runs the cash shop on their platform but XL approves all pricing. Trion cant set or change any prices without a nod from XL, also all items listed in the shop are driven by XL."
But the community manager Scapes says that Trion is pretty much in control and pricing:
Originally posted by Talrune As the title says, and yeah the damage control is not working step down you are sinking a company that had and has a future.
That CEO will surely give up his million dolllar salary because some player isnt happy with his product.
"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"
Originally posted by mcrippins In fairness - the $150 I spent on Alpha was probably the most fun in a game i've had in years. Post launch and the introduction of the cash shop is what sucked. Before that, everyone was simply a paying customer with no cash shop or p2w items. It was awesome
qft^^
It was the 1.0 that was epic fun.
Everyone was totally thrilled, the game was totally burning.
It was the best game experience i ever had in a game in the last 30 years ... ye, im dat old.
Then the 1.2 changes came, very short before beta.
The whole game was ruined.
RNG became the new god, the cash shop is almighty, exploits and bugs made the economy a laught.
They broke my beloved TripleSlash
They introduced those 4 new crafting components out of nowhere, made it a demand for certain crafting processes.
The new labour sinks are everywhere, but there is LP pots now.
Its everything creditcard.
Its the story of a potential WoW killer game, ruined by Korean XL-idiots and Trino's inability to make a proper sushi.
Can it be turned around ?
I have my doubts, really ... a westernization could save it, but ..
"Trion runs the cash shop on their platform but XL approves all pricing. Trion cant set or change any prices without a nod from XL, also all items listed in the shop are driven by XL."
But the community manager Scapes says that Trion is pretty much in control and pricing:
Can you explain this?
In another post I made a comparison to Steam (who also third party publishes). The developer sets the base price (think MSRP), but the publisher can always discount stuff (i.e. put it on sale). This is one of the areas where Trion can really do what they want on prices, but if they discount too much, the developer gets mad, and can affect them in other ways (like just removing the items that they are selling from the game, or changing how they work).
I imagine whales don't give a crap about PR. Pay-to-win is actually a GOOD thing for them too, anyways. (consider that whales make up the majority of an F2P games' income if the game is pursuing the whaling strategy)
Where they might actually care is exploits where people get the same power as them for free. Even then, that likely won't stop them from trying and paying for other Trion games. Trion can always blame XLGames for the shoddy coding anyways.
There is no blaming XL - they are responsible for AAs server and client code 100%, that's not blaming thats a fact.
Look at Trions own games vs AA in terms of shoddy code and exploits - day and night difference.
As far as OP goes - CEOs are judged on financial performance by the board of directors- not forum posts - AA is a cash cow, Trion covered all localization costs back in Alpha via pack sales.
And who manages the cash shop which has been one of the worst in any MMO to date?
Trion runs the cash shop on their platform but XL approves all pricing. Trion cant set or change any prices without a nod from XL, also all items listed in the shop are driven by XL.
The servers that can't stay up?
Server uptime is Trions responsibility, server downtime caused by server code or security issues is XLs problem
Who decides when to put in certain features like intorducing Hasla weapons 2 years too soon? TRION does.
Completely wrong - XL coded those quests and weapons and they tell Trion what quests are on or off in the patches they send to Trion. Remember that Trion has ZERO access to game code which this is a game code issue 100%.
Who runs support for the game and takes 30+ days to answer a ticket? TRION does.
CS support is 100% Trions responsibility - I would say that your 30 day example is an exception not the norm.
Who accepts a deal to manage a game they had no developer rights to? TRION did.
Every publisher does when it comes to overseas games - You think SoE has development rights to Dragons Prophet??
So maybe you should just stop defending Trion, because at this point it is laughable when you do.
facts need to be brought up - as you can see from this very post you are mistaken in quite a number of points you made
I had a quest bug where I could not get the jury duty quest even though I had zero infamy and committed no crimes. I put a ticket in and a month later finally got an answer back amounting to "sorry, but we didn't develop the game and can't fix that, we will forward the bug report to XL Games." Seriously? Really? Who does this? I have been playing MMOs since UO and have never encountered so much BS as I did the few months of the Archeage debacle. This game is an MMO catastrophe, you and a few of your friends still playing it are the only ones who don't get it.
Again what happened to you is unfortunate, but it is an exception not the norm. I've never heard of anyone having this issue in my alliance.
As for Trion's record, they started out awesome with Rift but have run that game into the ground the past year or two. Poor management, period. Defiance just sucks so I won't even go there.
Opinions vary - I disagree with yours entirely
So DMKano, show me some links where you get your facts from.
It was covered in Thursdays twitch streams with Victoria Voss as well as podcasts and interviews.
Here is one to get you starte
DMKano you wrote:
"Trion runs the cash shop on their platform but XL approves all pricing. Trion cant set or change any prices without a nod from XL, also all items listed in the shop are driven by XL."
But the community manager Scapes says that Trion is pretty much in control and pricing:
Can you explain this?
Yes - look at the date of that post - lots have changed by the time the game launched. What scapes said was the information he was given at that time - it is outdated and wrong now.
Also - remember Scapes is a community manager - he is NOT the authority on anything - Victoria Voss as producer is the real source. Scapes is simply the mouthpiece - he simply states the info that is passed down to him from Victoria.
So again - watch and read interviews with Victoria - like the one I linked.
So according to that Trion has had control over cash shop content and pricing back then , but doesn't have it anymore today? Like XL just revoked those rights as if they were no fixed part of the endless negotiation about Trion's westernization of AA back then?
"Trion runs the cash shop on their platform but XL approves all pricing. Trion cant set or change any prices without a nod from XL, also all items listed in the shop are driven by XL."
But the community manager Scapes says that Trion is pretty much in control and pricing:
Can you explain this?
Yes - look at the date of that post - lots have changed by the time the game launched. What scapes said was the information he was given at that time - it is outdated and wrong now.
You say that Trion has less influence now because my picture is dated?
So please, give me a link with some real facts where the publisher changed their contract this year with XLGames about the marketplace.
Also - remember Scapes is a community manager - he is NOT the authority on anything - Victoria Voss as producer is the real source. Scapes is simply the mouthpiece - he simply states the info that is passed down to him from Victoria.
As if I can't remember the community manager and what his job is.
So, you say he is just talking out of his ... and simply states what Victoria says. Curious, provide me a link that the statement was wrong and that the community manager had it all wrong.
So again - watch and read interviews with Victoria - like the one I linked.
He needs to take on XL games head on and renegotiate to get the things that make Trion a great company into archeage
Wait, what? You have not looked into things here my friend. You realize both Korean and RU had successful launches, just NA has issues. The staggered launch stuff has destroyed the game...to late at this point, hard for games in this day and age to get a second chance, Trion messed up....
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Trion during vanilla Rift was cool but they fell apart and I think greed is wrecking and guiding them. Plus, they hired some real losers in daglar and scapes, ocho and many more. I feel sorry for the players more then anything else. I wish they fired everyone and started over but that's a pipe dream I'm afraid. CEO of the company is obviously bad but I think he's guided by bean counters. If you have a soul and any self respect do not play their games unless they make some drastic changes.
maybe players need to stop being lazy. and for want of a better word strike games so that companies stand up and listen.
by strike i mean just the same as if it was a RL company messing with its workers..simply dont pay and dont play for a X amount of time.. sadly most players are too dumbed down and lazy to ever try work together and companies will keep on fking players in the ass for cash like no tomorrow as trion has kind of ..i think with AA trion really got screwed as well by XL games.
you see there isnt to many laws protecting players and game companies have all the power because you have to except what ever crap they place in the eula to play which really needs some new legal limiting to give the player as a consumer buying a product better protection..
He needs to take on XL games head on and renegotiate to get the things that make Trion a great company into archeage
Wait, what? You have not looked into things here my friend. You realize both Korean and RU had successful launches, just NA has issues. The staggered launch stuff has destroyed the game...to late at this point, hard for games in this day and age to get a second chance, Trion messed up....
There were problems with Korea, Russia, and China.
He needs to take on XL games head on and renegotiate to get the things that make Trion a great company into archeage
Wait, what? You have not looked into things here my friend. You realize both Korean and RU had successful launches, just NA has issues. The staggered launch stuff has destroyed the game...to late at this point, hard for games in this day and age to get a second chance, Trion messed up....
There were problems with Korea, Russia, and China.
Buy what you want. Game's a mess. Evidence was there long before Trion picked it up.
Its a mess in many peoples opinions. Including my own. But there are also, still a fair number of people playing it.
Not an issue here of whether you or I think the game is screwed up. Its an issue of whether it is screwed up enough to warrant company action against the CEO.
Maybe but you haven't haven't provided any smoking gun, other than your opinion and an unfounded allegation, in your argument.
I tried playing it again this week, took longer to DL and install than it did to realize It best to move on again. Started a new toon, and the entire area I began in was deserted, I saw one other player the entire time I was playing. I have never played a F2P and seen such deserted starter zones. That is not a good sign at all.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Buy what you want. Game's a mess. Evidence was there long before Trion picked it up.
Its a mess in many peoples opinions. Including my own. But there are also, still a fair number of people playing it.
Not an issue here of whether you or I think the game is screwed up. Its an issue of whether it is screwed up enough to warrant company action against the CEO.
Maybe but you haven't haven't provided any smoking gun, other than your opinion and an unfounded allegation, in your argument.
I tried playing it again this week, took longer to DL and install than it did to realize It best to move on again. Started a new toon, and the entire area I began in was deserted, I saw one other player the entire time I was playing. I have never played a F2P and seen such deserted starter zones. That is not a good sign at all.
And the naivity of anyone that would attempt to defend Trion, their 'communtiy support' part timer or anything else is beyond credibility.
If it's all XL games fault really, as you infer DMKano, then Trion are incompetent for signing any contract with them.
Anyone who is honest about this knows we were all strung a line by the Trion 'Twitch Streams' , and the garbage they put forward as information to genuine fans of the game (as I was!)
1.0 was an amazing experience, then came the wreck.
Anybody still defending Trion, or any member of their support team, really needs to stand back and take a good hard look at things, instead of blindly defending what is at best incompetence, and at worst a blatant rip off.
They got my $150 , and I only ever managed to log in twice after 'launch' , and all my comms with Trion support were ignored, or returned a week later as 'no longer an issue'
Pish! (oops, that will be another warning for me for being angry)
Not just a badly put together game, but badly supported, badly managed, badly maintained, and left a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths.
Cheers me dears, and kissy kissy, no harm done other than as your ex presidente said
fool me once I'm a tool, fool me twice, I'm a Trion fanboy (my paraphrase)
The time for him to step up was 2 months ago. Too late now. Lost me as a customer for life.
The only way MMO gaming will really change is if players actually stick to what they say.
However this simply is not the case.
I can't tell you how many people I know who have said "never touching anything with EA on it" are playing Dragon Age and logging into EA Origin every day.
Whenever someone says forever or never - 99% of the time it means "until the next game"
The fickleness of gamers knows no bounds
And I can't tell you the number of friends I have that have blacklisted certain companies and still to this day refuse to buy anything from them.
See it works both ways.
It also makes a difference as to what company it is they are blacklisting. Seeing how EA publishes so many titles, I can see how people could cave in. But Trion is no EA. They have a few games out. Nothing more.
And also, please stop with the bogus numbers ("99% of the time")...you tend to do this a lot when you come to the defense of your friends' company.
The time for him to step up was 2 months ago. Too late now. Lost me as a customer for life.
The only way MMO gaming will really change is if players actually stick to what they say.
However this simply is not the case.
I can't tell you how many people I know who have said "never touching anything with EA on it" are playing Dragon Age and logging into EA Origin every day.
Whenever someone says forever or never - 99% of the time it means "until the next game"
The fickleness of gamers knows no bounds
Yeah, blame the players. The devs from SWTOR, ESO, and Wildstar did this. It didn't work for them either. At least in the case with SWTOR and ESO, they put their heads down and actually worked to begin delivering a better game. You know what? It actually seems to be working. How about that huh? Maybe releasing a great game that works the way it's supposed to without trying to cut corners and/or build in ways to wring out every possible cent from over-eager players might actually lead to games everyone else want to play?
Those "fickle" gamers probably only want what they were promised and never got.
I imagine whales don't give a crap about PR. Pay-to-win is actually a GOOD thing for them too, anyways. (consider that whales make up the majority of an F2P games' income if the game is pursuing the whaling strategy)
Where they might actually care is exploits where people get the same power as them for free. Even then, that likely won't stop them from trying and paying for other Trion games. Trion can always blame XLGames for the shoddy coding anyways.
There is no blaming XL - they are responsible for AAs server and client code 100%, that's not blaming thats a fact.
Look at Trions own games vs AA in terms of shoddy code and exploits - day and night difference.
As far as OP goes - CEOs are judged on financial performance by the board of directors- not forum posts - AA is a cash cow, Trion covered all localization costs back in Alpha via pack sales.
Why you make thing up without proof? Do you work for Trion game? I don't think you know anything about Trion cash at all. You just a forum user like everyone here.
Originally posted by xenorace Trion did a pretty good job getting those $150 founders packs sold. The whales almost could not hit buy fast enough.
yes!!!! They probably paid their staff/other costs/profit on those starter packs alone, perhaps selling the founder packs was the point of the whole thing? Gasp!
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I absolutely LOVE when people jump into F2P games expecting the same type of service as P2P....
So DMKano, show me some links where you get your facts from.
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DMKano you wrote:
"Trion runs the cash shop on their platform but XL approves all pricing. Trion cant set or change any prices without a nod from XL, also all items listed in the shop are driven by XL."
But the community manager Scapes says that Trion is pretty much in control and pricing:
Can you explain this?
That CEO will surely give up his million dolllar salary because some player isnt happy with his product.
"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"
qft^^
It was the 1.0 that was epic fun.
Everyone was totally thrilled, the game was totally burning.
It was the best game experience i ever had in a game in the last 30 years ... ye, im dat old.
Then the 1.2 changes came, very short before beta.
The whole game was ruined.
RNG became the new god, the cash shop is almighty, exploits and bugs made the economy a laught.
They broke my beloved TripleSlash
They introduced those 4 new crafting components out of nowhere, made it a demand for certain crafting processes.
The new labour sinks are everywhere, but there is LP pots now.
Its everything creditcard.
Its the story of a potential WoW killer game, ruined by Korean XL-idiots and Trino's inability to make a proper sushi.
Can it be turned around ?
I have my doubts, really ... a westernization could save it, but ..
In another post I made a comparison to Steam (who also third party publishes). The developer sets the base price (think MSRP), but the publisher can always discount stuff (i.e. put it on sale). This is one of the areas where Trion can really do what they want on prices, but if they discount too much, the developer gets mad, and can affect them in other ways (like just removing the items that they are selling from the game, or changing how they work).
So according to that Trion has had control over cash shop content and pricing back then , but doesn't have it anymore today? Like XL just revoked those rights as if they were no fixed part of the endless negotiation about Trion's westernization of AA back then?
Unless anyone has seen the actual contract, it's anyone's guess. I don't trust a think Trion says at this point.
Wait, what? You have not looked into things here my friend. You realize both Korean and RU had successful launches, just NA has issues. The staggered launch stuff has destroyed the game...to late at this point, hard for games in this day and age to get a second chance, Trion messed up....
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maybe players need to stop being lazy. and for want of a better word strike games so that companies stand up and listen.
by strike i mean just the same as if it was a RL company messing with its workers..simply dont pay and dont play for a X amount of time.. sadly most players are too dumbed down and lazy to ever try work together and companies will keep on fking players in the ass for cash like no tomorrow as trion has kind of ..i think with AA trion really got screwed as well by XL games.
you see there isnt to many laws protecting players and game companies have all the power because you have to except what ever crap they place in the eula to play which really needs some new legal limiting to give the player as a consumer buying a product better protection..
There were problems with Korea, Russia, and China.
And Japan.
I tried playing it again this week, took longer to DL and install than it did to realize It best to move on again. Started a new toon, and the entire area I began in was deserted, I saw one other player the entire time I was playing. I have never played a F2P and seen such deserted starter zones. That is not a good sign at all.
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The time for him to step up was 2 months ago. Too late now. Lost me as a customer for life.
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What server did you choose?
And the naivity of anyone that would attempt to defend Trion, their 'communtiy support' part timer or anything else is beyond credibility.
If it's all XL games fault really, as you infer DMKano, then Trion are incompetent for signing any contract with them.
Anyone who is honest about this knows we were all strung a line by the Trion 'Twitch Streams' , and the garbage they put forward as information to genuine fans of the game (as I was!)
1.0 was an amazing experience, then came the wreck.
Anybody still defending Trion, or any member of their support team, really needs to stand back and take a good hard look at things, instead of blindly defending what is at best incompetence, and at worst a blatant rip off.
They got my $150 , and I only ever managed to log in twice after 'launch' , and all my comms with Trion support were ignored, or returned a week later as 'no longer an issue'
Pish! (oops, that will be another warning for me for being angry)
Not just a badly put together game, but badly supported, badly managed, badly maintained, and left a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths.
Cheers me dears, and kissy kissy, no harm done other than as your ex presidente said
fool me once I'm a tool, fool me twice, I'm a Trion fanboy (my paraphrase)
And I can't tell you the number of friends I have that have blacklisted certain companies and still to this day refuse to buy anything from them.
See it works both ways.
It also makes a difference as to what company it is they are blacklisting. Seeing how EA publishes so many titles, I can see how people could cave in. But Trion is no EA. They have a few games out. Nothing more.
And also, please stop with the bogus numbers ("99% of the time")...you tend to do this a lot when you come to the defense of your friends' company.
Yeah, blame the players. The devs from SWTOR, ESO, and Wildstar did this. It didn't work for them either. At least in the case with SWTOR and ESO, they put their heads down and actually worked to begin delivering a better game. You know what? It actually seems to be working. How about that huh? Maybe releasing a great game that works the way it's supposed to without trying to cut corners and/or build in ways to wring out every possible cent from over-eager players might actually lead to games everyone else want to play?
Those "fickle" gamers probably only want what they were promised and never got.
Why you make thing up without proof? Do you work for Trion game? I don't think you know anything about Trion cash at all. You just a forum user like everyone here.
yes!!!! They probably paid their staff/other costs/profit on those starter packs alone, perhaps selling the founder packs was the point of the whole thing? Gasp!