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Trion does it again
Five bucks for a skin that isnt permanent. Meaning you can apply it and you can take it off but if you take it off it disappears.
And there are actually people defending this on the official forums.
trion sure has alot of suckers on the line thats for sure.
But anyone with a brain knew they were cash grabbing but this one really takes the cake.
Beauty is they offer two, which means most people are going to want to check them both out. So theyre going to lose one or the other depending on the order they apply them in.
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Pretty sure I have seen limited time skins in other ftp games as well.
I would not buy them, but some people do.
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yeah maybe complete garbage ones that use that shit as their only source of income.
Either way its sad. Been a customer of theirs for years since before Rift launched. and they banned my IP tonight when I spouted off on the forums about it. funny how they can ban my IP within 5 seconds but all the other shit they have going on goes completely unchecked.
Basically done with them. Will do a charge back tomorrow and be done with it.
Since Scott Hartmans has come back and been ion complete control Trion has turned into a completely different company. Or they were always dog shit and they just had one lucky fluke with Rift.
Well, no one is forcing people to pay for this and it doesn't affect game play. If people want to support Trion's new business model, it's their money.
But yes, PT Barnum got it right.
Gimme a break.
Of all the things Trion has done...you are calling them out on putting a skin in their cash shop??
every company sells aesthetic costumes, some are permanent and some have 1 month to 3 month timers on them
either way they are skins, costumes, that do not in this case have stat boost attributes in which it would be p2w
to someone who has it than one who doesn't
so its equal nothing wrong with people buying costumes off the cash shop especially for events
No. He is calling them out for a skin you pay for but lose if you take it off.
I understand your point, DMK, but Trion is the one taking the money from the customers. Trion knew about this stuff when it was happening in Korea and knew it would be profitable in the NA and EU markets. When I paid money for my Archeum Founder's Pack, my cc statement said the money was collected by Trion.
Anyway, the CEO is just running a business. If you check at glassdoor.com, he has a better than 88% approval rating, which isn't bad. So he must be doing something right for the company.
Like I said in my earlier post, no one forces people to buy this stuff. People can do what they want with their money. If you don't want to support this type of business practice in gaming, don't play the game and don't support the company. It's as simple as that.
But Trion cannot take a pass on the type of business they are conducting. They have traded respect as a game developer for the profitability of publishing a cheesy cash shop game, and that's what puts the Christmas ham on the table and buys the New Year's bubbly. It's totally understandable and I don't feel sorry for people crying about cash shop items here. So at least we agree on that, probably.
This is a f2p game so i'm not sure why people are surprised. The player is the product and thats not a secret.
At least in subscription mmo's when they give you a costume piece its yours, forever.
From my perspective this is all just an extension of the amazing entitlement culture we live in today. I am personally shocked this is even an issue... or even brought up-- for that matter. It doesnt affect any aspect of "fairness" in the game. The game is still F2P to a degree. There is no required subscription in this game.. and many could argue that some completely free players can actually operate and compete equally with the biggest "whales" .. given time and skill, of course.
Why do people complain about anything that is free?? Any aspect of it at all? Its FREE! ..or not.. if you want to subscribe. Pay as much or as little as you like. Nobody is lording a required monthly subscription over your head. Nobody is forcing you to spend $10/month to be even competitive. If some dude (or chick- with respect) wants to pay $50 to have a nice in-game suit, hat, cane, skins and tattoos ...... .... ....why is that somehow ... .even remotely. . .an issue?? You don't actually expect any and all aspects of this game to be compeltely free, do you? .. .I get the fact that they're temporary .. but.. again . . exactly who is forcing you to buy them? just so weird.
Well all I can say is suck it up all you silly ppl that wanted FTP,cause now you have it in all it's glory and it's not going away any time soon Suckers.
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ah, now cosmetic items are bad too in a cash shop. u freeloaders make me puke so hard.
They should have thought twice before taking the deal than. Why would we give them any slack. We hand our money to Trion. They are here to take care for the game on EU/US grounds which includes the playerbase (players ARE the game).
Why the fuck would we ignore Trion and blame XL only? Trion are XLs' representatives here and share all the responsibility.
Atm Trion catters to whales who like to exploit and cheat (you don't get banned for any kind of cheats if you pay enaugh). And the decission who to ban I believe is in Trion's hands.
The argument is ALWAYS there in the f2p design,the developer NEEDS a certain amount of money per player ,per month,so every decision will be based on that.In this case they are probably figuring that if the ONLY purchase some players might make is on the skin ,it is not enough money to support the system.I personally don't disagree with any decisions on cash shop design because they NEED cash flow and they need to make the decisions they feel will keep the cash coming.
A perfect reason is because imagine if 99% of cash shop was used up in the first year,perhaps around a total of 200 bucks,that would not support the system past the first year and both they and the player want the game to go on.
The real scary part of this whole ordeal is the longevity,imo BOTH XL an the publisher should have been up front with the consumer on the contract and how long Trion agreed to be the publisher.Seeing all the strife that has gone on in the game,i would be very surprised to see Trion go past the contract dead line as well as surprised any new publisher would take it over.
The real issue should be with the whole f2p gimmick that really imo SOE is the one who pushed it hard here in NA.I have NEVER and will never support the idea of cash shop,i always want a subscription in any game i play for MANY reasons.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
I personaly know auction house bot users, apex exploiters and land scripters who received temporary ban a month ago just to than get unbanned a day or two later. In that short time they admited ( on guild ts) why they got banned. Few days later they were laughing their ass off linking loads of delphinads in chat telling us all they los was some gold.
They are still playing to this day.
Obviously you will keep believing whaver suits your needs best but for me knowing this first hand was enaugh to quit AA as I don't want to support this kind of business.
You still forgot to point out what the issue is supposed to be...
It's simple, if you've dumped a good amount of money into their cash shop you are free to instal cheats.
Even if you get reported and their systems in place triggers temporary ban. Once you get reviwed by authorized personel, you will get your temporary ban lifted and not changed into perma ban.
Obviously if you haven't spend enaugh money and you get banned, the ban will not get lifted no.
As Kooncoon would say:More pay!
White knights all over the internet I guess. And that is why this game and games like it will continue to get made and prosper.
I am all for free to play games. I am also all for selling skins in cash shops, that and mounts and other random RP stuff is all they should sell. But they shoudnt be temporary if you spend real life cash on them, and they should definitely not be an equivalent of 5 bucks AND be temporary. Thats just dumb, and if they are there should be warnings all over the game or when you apply and or try to unapply the thing telling you that you will lose it. It really should say right on it that it is temporary.
I am sure I am not the only one complaining bout it. But then again the only people left playing are blind fans, cheaters who just cheat their way to recoup that loss, or other malcontents that exploit the game and figure that its the price of doing business.
Trion USED to be a AAA company. Now theyre no better than some guy in a basement somewhere making a browser based FTP game that costs money every time you want to do something. So while people like to throw the free to play moniker around there are obvious levels of free to play games and models. Want a good one? Look at Turbine and Lotro. I have been critical of them for years but their model for playing and paying for the game in hindsight is the best there is. Or other people coming ut with free to play games are just more greedy and more willing to take advantage of people who dont know any better.
The best part of all this is the IP block so I cant post on the forums. Classic, just another Trion move that proves they can do things to stop cheaters and hack users but just chose not to. Mentioning you might do a chargeback on your credit card to get a refund on a hopelessly broken coded game gets you a perma ban and an IP block. Exploiting the game since day one and cheating and hack using to gain anything and everything the game has to offer gets you 24 hours at most and more than likely nothing.
Seriously, how people can defend them is beyond me. But then again there are Americans (and others) joining up with Isis too. So the world is full of insane people.
AA is not the game for me I do not play it, hated the beta and uninstalled.
But this explains something to me. Someone will say how they like or love Trove and there is always a reply, "That's a damn TRION game! I do not care how good or bad it is. I will never touch a TRION game after this! AA launch was horrible."
Starting to worry about gamers intelligence in the PC community. The complainers are starting to sound like CoD X-box players. You do know the different between a publisher and a developer right complainers? Certainly Trion is at fault for publishing the game, especially one by XL. Which should have honestly been a Perfect World game.
But who knows what XL told them? Trion made a bad choice in a business partner but did not make the game.
Lets say you buy a brand new TV from the store. The TV has issues. The TV was made by a different company. Sure the store sells the TVs. But the company who made the TV, produced the TV with the problems. So your issue needs to be with the TV maker. You shouldn't get mad at the store itself. Sure the store offered it, but nobody made you pick that TV out from all the other options that were better.
So Trion did not make the game! As in they did not develop the game! I don't play any other Trion games except Trove, but you can clearly tell the games they developed from AA which they published.
XL games are one of the worst gaming developers there is, right up there with Perfect World. Why are gamers surprised AA sucks and or has it problems? Why are people so shocked a game built from the ground up for a Asian market online ecosystem, is a cash grab?
Reminds me of my friend who plays Neverwinter and complains about the cash shop constantly. How is she surprised? It is Perfect World Entertainment!