LotRO is very RP friendly and has a large RP community. RPers tend to be very loyal and very passionate about their game of choice since they become very heavily invested in their characters.
The population of that game has plummetted, the devs aren't allowed to make real expansions or end game content anymore either. I can understand the attraction to the RP element I just didn't think they had nearly enough remaining players to win this.
The RP element (and kins) in that game were the only thing that kept me playing as long as I did. Shadows of Angmar and Mines of Moria were utterly fantastic. Unfortunately, starting around the Mirkwood expansion, the quality of the game nosedived hard, and I doubt it's a coincidence that it was shortly after that it went F2P. The game has been terrible ever since.
I'm pretty sure Moria was a money loser for them, lifetime accounts started really impacting their continued income ,and that's why they made a mini expansion like Mirkwood. And yes that is the moment the game fell a tier in quality and continues to do so. They were probably looking into F2P near the end of Moria and it just took quite a while to figure out what to do.
This is ridiculous, how can there be so much people that completly ignore the goods and bads of each game here?
ESO demostrated being a bad game, from a bad company, with a bad customer service. The game itself is a bad joke compared to Skyrim, it's as if they made 5 steps back and even then all the other games from the elder scrolls franchise are better.
From your first paragraph to your second, you did exactly what you were criticizing others for doing. Good job.
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They (Funcom) aren't sending out emails, just to add to any clarification. The only emails TSW players recently received from Funcom were ones announcing the holiday events. Yes, community sites sent out emails, but this is a community vote for the community.
Wow. At least the thread helped me decide to not bother buying ESO.
Victory for the ESO anti-community, I suppose.
If this thread helped you make any decision, I feel bad for you. You should be able to decide for yourself which game is more to your liking, not based on a bunch of comments from randoms online.
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Wow. At least the thread helped me decide to not bother buying ESO.
Victory for the ESO anti-community, I suppose.
If this thread helped you make any decision, I feel bad for you. You should be able to decide for yourself which game is more to your liking, not based on a bunch of comments from randoms online.
This is kinda true. A game's community is very important to me personally though, it's the reason why I sticked with TSW instead of anything else. We all know that some haters here do not represent the whole ESO community, but just the worst part of the ESO community. I do have to be honest that some of the comments did make me raise an eyebrow, but I would like to see more of the nice part of the ESO community. Might consider subbing at some point.
Wow. At least the thread helped me decide to not bother buying ESO.
Victory for the ESO anti-community, I suppose.
If this thread helped you make any decision, I feel bad for you. You should be able to decide for yourself which game is more to your liking, not based on a bunch of comments from randoms online.
This is kinda true. A game's community is very important to me personally though, it's the reason why I sticked with TSW instead of anything else. We all know that some haters here do not represent the whole ESO community, but just the worst part of the ESO community. I do have to be honest that some of the comments did make me raise an eyebrow, but I would like to see more of the nice part of the ESO community. Might consider subbing at some point.
Of course they don't represent the ESO community. Most forums, or all forums don't. Forums in general represent about .01% (if that) of those actually playing the game and don't visit forums, so I wouldn't be discouraged by whatever you read here and if you want to try the game just do it, its quite good.
If ESO wins that round, I'll lose all hope on humanity.
Or... who am I kidding? I lost all hope on humanity long ago. -.-
My opinion is my own. I respect all other opinions and views equally, but keep in mind that my opinion will always be the best for me. That's why it's my opinion.
I don't cheat. Nor do I encourage cheating in any way, shape or form. But I know human nature. Please don't kid yourself into believing that the TSW community is made up of pure angels. My comments there are from a purely nuetral perspective on the nature of the human race. The notion that the ESO community would have an above average composition of unsavory personalities while saying the TSW community sits upon some kind of moral high ground and is compromised of purely innocent angels is ridiculous.
The ESO community is actually one of the most mature and civil I have every seen and that comes from 20 years of playing MMOs. Perhaps TSW is as well. I don't know.
But people are going to attempt to cheat because people are people. Does that make it right? No. Does that make it fact? Yes.
In my experience, communities are different based on the type of game. Not all online communities are the same, which means of course they have different concentrations of unsavory characters. So whereas you think it's ridiculous that one game could have a better or worse community, I think it's obvious that communities are different. And I never said TSW are saints, but I did say I doubt TSW is cheating. That isn't my experience with the community. So you've mischaracterized my position to absurdity and not provided evidence to support your position, just generalizations about human nature.
Instead of generalizations, please provide some examples of what makes the ESO community one of the most mature and civil you've seen. I included some examples with my post about TSW to give people an idea of what it's like. And since you know ESO, you could help people see the good side of the community instead of highlighting the bad.
Different games attract different types of players who place different priority on PVP, cooperation, competition, etc. TSW seems to attract a fairly mature player who plays the game fairly relaxed. This disappoints some of the people who want hardcore, faction based PVP, since the majority of people aren't into that and are more interested in minding their own business or helping each other. In fact most recent TSW development has been on story and fairly easy group content, as opposed to endgame content like raids.
In the effort to get out the vote, I'm seeing TSW fans remind each other to vote but not cheat. Maybe some people are cheating, but the community isn't rallying around the idea of cheating. If TSW wins and finds out that it won through cheating, the community will be disappointed.
What kind of character does ESO have? Would ESO fans be disappointed to win that way, or would the attitude be "duh, of course we cheat, we thought everyone did, and cheating shows that we're more engaged?"
Or perhaps bad-animations-wars. Because out of every single MMO that were in this battle, the finalists (minus EVE because spaceship) all have animations comparable to EverQuest.
So, I'm curious, what MMO do you think has very good animations?
This question has been asked, very directly, many times on these forums. I think that it's somewhat telling that posters rarely answer. It's like the catch-all criticism that no one ever needs to justify or explain.
There's actually no use in trying to figure out if X or Y person cheats or if X or Y community is good by talking in this thread. You either get all the information from say MMORPG.com or you go play the game and figure it out from first-hand experience. At the end of the day without knowing facts or having first-hand experience, it really doesn't matter.
Or perhaps bad-animations-wars. Because out of every single MMO that were in this battle, the finalists (minus EVE because spaceship) all have animations comparable to EverQuest.
So, I'm curious, what MMO do you think has very good animations?
This question has been asked, very directly, many times on these forums. I think that it's somewhat telling that posters rarely answer. It's like the catch-all criticism that no one ever needs to justify or explain.
FFXIV has good animations, though they were better in 1.0 . FFXIV 1.0's animations were done via motion capture, and it showed); they were utterly fantastic. As a rule of thumb, most Asian MMORPGs have good animations. Many people says Age of Conan has god animations, though it's been so long since I tried that game that I don't recall (and it was made by the same company as TSW, oddly enough). Guild Wars2 also has really great animations.
Forever LOTRO will be my number 1 Spot its the greatest MMO i have ever played and still is, First of all the graphics are amazing the story quests classes are so fun and never get old, best of all out of all other games ive never seen such a great friendly nice community, unlike WoW the community is just dreadful ill never play it again cause of that community.
hope you all give LOTRO a try its really an amazing MMO
Originally posted by Hatkake Hm. This is an excellent oppourtunity to ask a question I have been wondering about since I was in the ESO beta:Have they added subtitles to ingame narrative sequences?<snip>
They haven't added subtitles for dialog spoken outside of conversation yet. But there's a third party addon that add them to the game, and it works very well. It's called Wykkyd Full Immersion.
As for the ESO vs. TSW debate, I voted for ESO in this face-off as it's the game I'm currently playing and to which most of my free time is spent.
Personally, I didn't knew about TSW before this face-off, and after I researched a bit I have to say that I liked what I saw. I'd probably be more than interested in checking the game in the future!
Notice how the TSW vs ESO fight is generating so many more comments than the EVE vs LotRO one?
Say what you will about it(and I will), but LotRO sure does exhibit a very rabid core group of players- Yet most of the people here have probably never even played it. I guess that's what we're really voting for here: not which game is "The Best", but which game has the most loyal playerbase.
I'm talking about a game that has a core group of followers that will eagerly accept whatever low-quality tripe Turbine subjects them to- just because it's set in JRR Tolkien's Middle Earth. The game(and company) seemingly gets worse and shoddier with every patch, yet their captive audience is so utterly mired in Stockholm Syndrome that they will accept whatever plate of feces they're served so long as they can still be a Hobbit.
I'm talking about a game that did away with virtually all forms of standard group content(the entire basis of the MMO genre). The game is now a single player RPG with a prevalence of "collect 12 bear butts" type quests. Yet a small number of whales are still willing to give them money. It's because that core demographic of whales tend not to even be gamers in the traditional sense. A non-insignificant number of people on the LotRO forums freely admit that they have virtually no experience with any other MMOs, and sometimes with no other computer games at all! It's only because it's Tolkien that they bother to play at all.
Turbine milks this core demo of hapless dupes for all they can, while the rest of us left long ago in search of an actual MMO. And I say that as a life-long Tolkien fan. The thing is, I'm an actual gamer, and as far as games go, LotRO straight up sucks now. It used to be so damn good. It hurts to see how far it's fallen.
Someone earlier said that Turbine has the best devs in the industry. That's delusional, ignorant or literally shilling for Turbine. Turbine had 2 rounds of layoffs in 2014, and this game currently a skeleton crew at best. We have a few bits of anecdotal evidence that suggests that most of the remaining devs have little actual experience playing the game itself. For example, they were shocked and mystified when they learned that players deconstruct their Legendary Weapons at every 5 and 10 level intervals- proof that they have little first-hand experience with their own product. When the Helm's Deep expansion was in beta with it's complete overhaul of the classes, some of the devs had added personal notes in the tool tips of individual powers that showed that they DEFINITELY didn't understand how the powers in question operated- yet they were re-designing them for players that had been playing the classes and using the actual powers themselves for 6+ years at that point.
You guys can argue all you want about whether ESO's devs or TSW's devs are rigging the election- the real travesty is that a formerly gleaming brick of solid gold that's now been degraded into a degenerate turd is currently stinking up the Semi Finals list- and it might just walk away with the election due to a cult-like following that will accept it however far it falls from its former glory.
Originally posted by Mrgrey02Just a heads up for anyone that may be interested in checking out The Secret World but has been on the fence about getting it....TSW $10.19 on Steam (66% off)
Really? Do you have a steam store link, please?
I don't see it on offering, and when searching at games published by Funcom, it's not even there.
Maybe it's because my zone, and Steam doesn't offer it to my area?
I looked at the Funcom's store and it's 29.99 Euros, ATM.
Originally posted by Mrgrey02Just a heads up for anyone that may be interested in checking out The Secret World but has been on the fence about getting it....TSW $10.19 on Steam (66% off)
Really? Do you have a steam store link, please?
I don't see it on offering, and when searching at games published by Funcom, it's not even there.
Maybe it's because my zone, and Steam doesn't offer it to my area?
I looked at the Funcom's store and it's 29.99 Euros, ATM.
Originally posted by TCO_TSW Originally posted by leeuxOriginally posted by Mrgrey02Just a heads up for anyone that may be interested in checking out The Secret World but has been on the fence about getting it....TSW $10.19 on Steam (66% off)
Really? Do you have a steam store link, please?I don't see it on offering, and when searching at games published by Funcom, it's not even there. Maybe it's because my zone, and Steam doesn't offer it to my area?I looked at the Funcom's store and it's 29.99 Euros, ATM.http://store.steampowered.com/app/215280/
There you go
Edit: you might want to think of buying the massively edtion for 20,39 instead as it contains the 3 optional issues that you can buy in the game.
As I expected, here's what I got
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Originally posted by Mrgrey02Just a heads up for anyone that may be interested in checking out The Secret World but has been on the fence about getting it....TSW $10.19 on Steam (66% off)
Really? Do you have a steam store link, please?I don't see it on offering, and when searching at games published by Funcom, it's not even there. Maybe it's because my zone, and Steam doesn't offer it to my area?I looked at the Funcom's store and it's 29.99 Euros, ATM.
Edit: you might want to think of buying the massively edtion for 20,39€ instead as it contains the 3 optional issues that you can buy in the game.
As I expected, here's what I got
An error was encountered while processing your request:
This item is currently unavailable in your region
But thank you again, noneless!
Ah. I'm guessing TCO assumed you were in the Eurozone, forgetting that Funcom for reasons best known to their accountants bills almost everyone not in the US or UK in Euros.
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I'm pretty sure Moria was a money loser for them, lifetime accounts started really impacting their continued income ,and that's why they made a mini expansion like Mirkwood. And yes that is the moment the game fell a tier in quality and continues to do so. They were probably looking into F2P near the end of Moria and it just took quite a while to figure out what to do.
From your first paragraph to your second, you did exactly what you were criticizing others for doing. Good job.
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If this thread helped you make any decision, I feel bad for you. You should be able to decide for yourself which game is more to your liking, not based on a bunch of comments from randoms online.
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This is kinda true. A game's community is very important to me personally though, it's the reason why I sticked with TSW instead of anything else. We all know that some haters here do not represent the whole ESO community, but just the worst part of the ESO community. I do have to be honest that some of the comments did make me raise an eyebrow, but I would like to see more of the nice part of the ESO community. Might consider subbing at some point.
Of course they don't represent the ESO community. Most forums, or all forums don't. Forums in general represent about .01% (if that) of those actually playing the game and don't visit forums, so I wouldn't be discouraged by whatever you read here and if you want to try the game just do it, its quite good.
There Is Always Hope!
If ESO wins that round, I'll lose all hope on humanity.
Or... who am I kidding? I lost all hope on humanity long ago. -.-
My opinion is my own. I respect all other opinions and views equally, but keep in mind that my opinion will always be the best for me. That's why it's my opinion.
In my experience, communities are different based on the type of game. Not all online communities are the same, which means of course they have different concentrations of unsavory characters. So whereas you think it's ridiculous that one game could have a better or worse community, I think it's obvious that communities are different. And I never said TSW are saints, but I did say I doubt TSW is cheating. That isn't my experience with the community. So you've mischaracterized my position to absurdity and not provided evidence to support your position, just generalizations about human nature.
Instead of generalizations, please provide some examples of what makes the ESO community one of the most mature and civil you've seen. I included some examples with my post about TSW to give people an idea of what it's like. And since you know ESO, you could help people see the good side of the community instead of highlighting the bad.
Different games attract different types of players who place different priority on PVP, cooperation, competition, etc. TSW seems to attract a fairly mature player who plays the game fairly relaxed. This disappoints some of the people who want hardcore, faction based PVP, since the majority of people aren't into that and are more interested in minding their own business or helping each other. In fact most recent TSW development has been on story and fairly easy group content, as opposed to endgame content like raids.In the effort to get out the vote, I'm seeing TSW fans remind each other to vote but not cheat. Maybe some people are cheating, but the community isn't rallying around the idea of cheating. If TSW wins and finds out that it won through cheating, the community will be disappointed.
What kind of character does ESO have? Would ESO fans be disappointed to win that way, or would the attitude be "duh, of course we cheat, we thought everyone did, and cheating shows that we're more engaged?"
This question has been asked, very directly, many times on these forums. I think that it's somewhat telling that posters rarely answer. It's like the catch-all criticism that no one ever needs to justify or explain.
FFXIV has good animations, though they were better in 1.0 . FFXIV 1.0's animations were done via motion capture, and it showed); they were utterly fantastic. As a rule of thumb, most Asian MMORPGs have good animations. Many people says Age of Conan has god animations, though it's been so long since I tried that game that I don't recall (and it was made by the same company as TSW, oddly enough). Guild Wars2 also has really great animations.
Forever LOTRO will be my number 1 Spot its the greatest MMO i have ever played and still is, First of all the graphics are amazing the story quests classes are so fun and never get old, best of all out of all other games ive never seen such a great friendly nice community, unlike WoW the community is just dreadful ill never play it again cause of that community.
hope you all give LOTRO a try its really an amazing MMO
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Hey @Hatkake:
They haven't added subtitles for dialog spoken outside of conversation yet. But there's a third party addon that add them to the game, and it works very well. It's called Wykkyd Full Immersion.
As for the ESO vs. TSW debate, I voted for ESO in this face-off as it's the game I'm currently playing and to which most of my free time is spent.
Personally, I didn't knew about TSW before this face-off, and after I researched a bit I have to say that I liked what I saw. I'd probably be more than interested in checking the game in the future!
Best regards,
Leeux.
Just a heads up for anyone that may be interested in checking out The Secret World but has been on the fence about getting it....
TSW $10.19 on Steam (66% off)
Notice how the TSW vs ESO fight is generating so many more comments than the EVE vs LotRO one?
Say what you will about it(and I will), but LotRO sure does exhibit a very rabid core group of players- Yet most of the people here have probably never even played it. I guess that's what we're really voting for here: not which game is "The Best", but which game has the most loyal playerbase.
I'm talking about a game that has a core group of followers that will eagerly accept whatever low-quality tripe Turbine subjects them to- just because it's set in JRR Tolkien's Middle Earth. The game(and company) seemingly gets worse and shoddier with every patch, yet their captive audience is so utterly mired in Stockholm Syndrome that they will accept whatever plate of feces they're served so long as they can still be a Hobbit.
I'm talking about a game that did away with virtually all forms of standard group content(the entire basis of the MMO genre). The game is now a single player RPG with a prevalence of "collect 12 bear butts" type quests. Yet a small number of whales are still willing to give them money. It's because that core demographic of whales tend not to even be gamers in the traditional sense. A non-insignificant number of people on the LotRO forums freely admit that they have virtually no experience with any other MMOs, and sometimes with no other computer games at all! It's only because it's Tolkien that they bother to play at all.
Turbine milks this core demo of hapless dupes for all they can, while the rest of us left long ago in search of an actual MMO. And I say that as a life-long Tolkien fan. The thing is, I'm an actual gamer, and as far as games go, LotRO straight up sucks now. It used to be so damn good. It hurts to see how far it's fallen.
Someone earlier said that Turbine has the best devs in the industry. That's delusional, ignorant or literally shilling for Turbine. Turbine had 2 rounds of layoffs in 2014, and this game currently a skeleton crew at best. We have a few bits of anecdotal evidence that suggests that most of the remaining devs have little actual experience playing the game itself. For example, they were shocked and mystified when they learned that players deconstruct their Legendary Weapons at every 5 and 10 level intervals- proof that they have little first-hand experience with their own product. When the Helm's Deep expansion was in beta with it's complete overhaul of the classes, some of the devs had added personal notes in the tool tips of individual powers that showed that they DEFINITELY didn't understand how the powers in question operated- yet they were re-designing them for players that had been playing the classes and using the actual powers themselves for 6+ years at that point.
You guys can argue all you want about whether ESO's devs or TSW's devs are rigging the election- the real travesty is that a formerly gleaming brick of solid gold that's now been degraded into a degenerate turd is currently stinking up the Semi Finals list- and it might just walk away with the election due to a cult-like following that will accept it however far it falls from its former glory.
Really? Do you have a steam store link, please?
I don't see it on offering, and when searching at games published by Funcom, it's not even there.
Maybe it's because my zone, and Steam doesn't offer it to my area?
I looked at the Funcom's store and it's 29.99 Euros, ATM.
http://store.steampowered.com/app/215280/
There you go
Edit: you might want to think of buying the massively edtion for 20,39€ instead as it contains the 3 optional issues that you can buy in the game.
*bows*
Thanks!
Really? Do you have a steam store link, please? I don't see it on offering, and when searching at games published by Funcom, it's not even there. Maybe it's because my zone, and Steam doesn't offer it to my area? I looked at the Funcom's store and it's 29.99 Euros, ATM.http://store.steampowered.com/app/215280/
There you go
Edit: you might want to think of buying the massively edtion for 20,39 instead as it contains the 3 optional issues that you can buy in the game.
As I expected, here's what I got
But thank you again, noneless!
Ah. I'm guessing TCO assumed you were in the Eurozone, forgetting that Funcom for reasons best known to their accountants bills almost everyone not in the US or UK in Euros.