Originally posted by prestodotexe And since we are CONSUMERS as well, we ALL need to do our part and stop CONSUMING anymore of Archeage.
Ive stopped consuming Archeage Ive went as far as to do chargebacks for all the money I spent on the game as well which I have had all money returned to me as well.
Buy what you want. Game's a mess. Evidence was there long before Trion picked it up.
Its a mess in many peoples opinions. Including my own. But there are also, still a fair number of people playing it.
Not an issue here of whether you or I think the game is screwed up. Its an issue of whether it is screwed up enough to warrant company action against the CEO.
Maybe but you haven't haven't provided any smoking gun, other than your opinion and an unfounded allegation, in your argument.
I tried playing it again this week, took longer to DL and install than it did to realize It best to move on again. Started a new toon, and the entire area I began in was deserted, I saw one other player the entire time I was playing. I have never played a F2P and seen such deserted starter zones. That is not a good sign at all.
What server did you choose?
Lucious I think was the name which was jam packed barely a month ago. I forgot to also mention the only chat I saw was one or two spammers, spamming their cash spam..
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I imagine whales don't give a crap about PR. Pay-to-win is actually a GOOD thing for them too, anyways. (consider that whales make up the majority of an F2P games' income if the game is pursuing the whaling strategy)
Where they might actually care is exploits where people get the same power as them for free. Even then, that likely won't stop them from trying and paying for other Trion games. Trion can always blame XLGames for the shoddy coding anyways.
There is no blaming XL - they are responsible for AAs server and client code 100%, that's not blaming thats a fact.
Look at Trions own games vs AA in terms of shoddy code and exploits - day and night difference.
As far as OP goes - CEOs are judged on financial performance by the board of directors- not forum posts - AA is a cash cow, Trion covered all localization costs back in Alpha via pack sales.
Why you make thing up without proof? Do you work for Trion game? I don't think you know anything about Trion cash at all. You just a forum user like everyone here.
First of all I am not making this up - I've been told this first hand from folks I know at the company.
But since you won't believe me - consider this
ArcheAge had 2 alpha servers running when it cost $150 to get into Alpha - it ran for over 4 months
Now lets assume that they only sold 10,000 alpha packs (which is a ridiculously low number but thats OK)
that's $1,500,000
The bulk of the cost is server hardware - actual translation cost was probably less than $100k
The rest of the localization and integration was done by current Trion employees so that was not an addional expense.
But if you honestly doubt that alpha packs didnt cover all of Trions expenses for AA - lol
How much do you think it costs to localize a MMO? 10 million???
The bulk of the cost is and will always be man power.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
He needs to take on XL games head on and renegotiate to get the things that make Trion a great company into archeage
This! Honestly, I'd like to see him cut AA loose. Eat the loss in order to salvage Trion's reputation.
Sometimes it's better to eat a loss then try to make something work that's been consistently broken.
The assumption is wrong.
AA is not a loss - the total cost of Trion localizing the game was probably less than 2mil - they have made that money back via Alpha pack sales - so everything afterwards was pure profits.
Also if reputation had any meaning for game publishers EA would have been bankrupt years ago as having been voted "the worst company on Earth" - over and over again.
But if you look at EAs financials - they are more profitable than ever.
So the reality is - reputation for game publishers has zero actual relation to their profits and game sales.
Gamers are very fickle - they can curse you today and love you tomorrow - reputation means diddly squat - ask NcSoft, SoE, EA and Trion heh.
Comparing EA to Trion is just stupid, EA have a huge monopoly and hundreds of gaming studios under their belt, they are a huge organisation that dwarfs Trion in every way possible.
EA can afford to mess things up, and they do repeatedly yet they continue to release games that players want to a wide variety of player types.
Trion on the other hand specialise in MMO's, they are a small and fairly new company who rely on reputation to bolster their sales, until Defiance and AA the perception was that they were pretty good and known for quality, now they are not and will take a pretty big hit for their next project.
Players don't forget, just remember the SWG NGE disaster, Sony still to this day are remembered for that mess just as Trion will be remembered for this. Although personally I would say Trions handling of everything has been 10 times worse than the SWG NGE messup.
What is it exactly that makes Trion a great company? Do tell.
Is it their launch readiness? No, they proved they had no clue what they were doing from a technical, communication and support perspective on how to properly launch a game the scale of ArcheAge.
Is it their internal Testing/QA? No, they proved over and over through the brief lifespan of ArcheAge that internal Testing/QA was an afterthought - by their own admission they didn't have a PTR or Test servers up to properly flesh out issues before they went live.
Is it their basic understanding of the game they are publishing? No, they proved they don't understand the mechanics of the game internally... had no clue how the cash shop "free Thunderstruck Trees" would tank the economy (as an example)... had no clue how Auroria Castle claiming worked, or how Castle Sieges worked.. or.. any of the major mechanics of the game actually function.
Is it their player support? It's been months since the game has released, and people are still waiting an average of 7 days to get a response from support. That simply proves that player satisfaction is an afterthought, and they care less about assisting the playerbase to resolve their issues.
So... explain to me... specific to ArcheAge... what exactly is it from a Production perspective that Trion has done "great"? I'm ignoring code based holes in Archeage that allow hacking etc. (as you can trump those up to XL's faulty code).... EVERYTHING that the Producer (Trion) controls specific to ArcheAge has been an utter failure.... the only thing they are "Great" at is demonstrating to other companies what NOT to do when managing an MMO.
Just a shame really, was very excited for this game and it's potential. Spent the 150 and such and was having a blast, and then the game was released and it has been a "crapshow" ever since. Trion and AA will not be getting any money from me going forward.
Thank goodness, DragonAge and Repopulation are available for me to play. Both are in a State that blows AA out of the water with their content and fun factor.
Good Luck to those still playing AA, I hope for your sakes it does improve.
Originally posted by prestodotexe And since we are CONSUMERS as well, we ALL need to do our part and stop CONSUMING anymore of Archeage.
I am doing my part.
Rather than uninstall, which would leave the hackshield rootkit in place, I am buying a new machine, and installing windows 10 on an SSD. Parts are due to arrive today.
Originally posted by prestodotexe And since we are CONSUMERS as well, we ALL need to do our part and stop CONSUMING anymore of Archeage.
I am doing my part.
Rather than uninstall, which would leave the hackshield rootkit in place, I am buying a new machine, and installing windows 10 on an SSD. Parts are due to arrive today.
What are others doing to get rid of Archeage?
Playing alternatives and canceling subscriptions would help. As much as I supported ArcheAge in the past it's another MMO that has a built-in RNG sink design to rip players off with even more so company running it.
What game takes x amount of real-life days to grow items or forces players to stay-ingame in order to restore labor points? Trial House turned from an active player community chat to a AFK mute house for labor points. Mature guilds have broken up from past screw ups resulting from Trion and the ones that remain unfortunately have been involved in exploiting the game through APEX, World Bosses, or malicious server crashes. We have guild leaders selling castles for real world money or Delphinad weapons going for 65,000K and up. It's insane.
Can't say how long ArcheAge will last in it's true state and not the PR fluff that still goes around. A community that thumbs at newer/non-hasla weapon players but embrace a RNG model that is design to indigest and consume wallets. There is also an unhealthy obession on obtaining the best gear in the game, and the community has warped into a infestation of trolls and a-pipes. This of course has resulted in the worst type of players on a MMO with little to no accountability. In AA's case there has been the most deogratory chats done in the game and Trion will do nothing. This includes racism, sexism, pedophilia chats, corspe multilations and nazism. It's quiet disgusting if you ever seen the conversations held on Nation and Faction chats. Worst than the overhyped "concerns" during Tera's launch over Elin which significantly pales in comparison. You also have land-grabbers that talk trash to others because they know Trion will do nothing about their behavior and are also the root of destruction in the game.
As much as I am for freedom of expression (Feel free to look at any of my past posts!) I would advise parents not to allow their kids to play ArcheAge because of concerns expressed above. The game is literally unmonitored and Trion will do nothing unless it involves Apex, the F2P subscription alternative.
Game is centered on greed and is built on greed through the RNG and LP system. The MMO developers are not what they use to be before but are actively ripping their consumer-base off. As much as players want to sympathize and believe in MMO developers or throw money at them, in AA's case there is a strong gambling and money-milking system involved in the core of the game. Trion also allows scamming.
Which in turn has brought all types of unsavories and scammers into the game that were not there before. This includes guild-leaders profiting off the back of players for real money so don't be fooled!
It's a mobile cash shop game in the design of a MMO environment. ArcheAge will continue to be this way as long as there are player's to support its money-sink business methods and as long as MMO companies think they can get away with bad business standards.
I imagine whales don't give a crap about PR. Pay-to-win is actually a GOOD thing for them too, anyways. (consider that whales make up the majority of an F2P games' income if the game is pursuing the whaling strategy)
Where they might actually care is exploits where people get the same power as them for free. Even then, that likely won't stop them from trying and paying for other Trion games. Trion can always blame XLGames for the shoddy coding anyways.
There is no blaming XL - they are responsible for AAs server and client code 100%, that's not blaming thats a fact.
Look at Trions own games vs AA in terms of shoddy code and exploits - day and night difference.
As far as OP goes - CEOs are judged on financial performance by the board of directors- not forum posts - AA is a cash cow, Trion covered all localization costs back in Alpha via pack sales.
Why you make thing up without proof? Do you work for Trion game? I don't think you know anything about Trion cash at all. You just a forum user like everyone here.
First of all I am not making this up - I've been told this first hand from folks I know at the company.
But since you won't believe me - consider this
ArcheAge had 2 alpha servers running when it cost $150 to get into Alpha - it ran for over 4 months
Now lets assume that they only sold 10,000 alpha packs (which is a ridiculously low number but thats OK)
that's $1,500,000
The bulk of the cost is server hardware - actual translation cost was probably less than $100k
The rest of the localization and integration was done by current Trion employees so that was not an addional expense.
But if you honestly doubt that alpha packs didnt cover all of Trions expenses for AA - lol
How much do you think it costs to localize a MMO? 10 million???
If you are trying to help AA's cause, it's not coming off well. Better served by saying nothing at all.
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Ive stopped consuming Archeage Ive went as far as to do chargebacks for all the money I spent on the game as well which I have had all money returned to me as well.
Lucious I think was the name which was jam packed barely a month ago. I forgot to also mention the only chat I saw was one or two spammers, spamming their cash spam..
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
The bulk of the cost is and will always be man power.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Comparing EA to Trion is just stupid, EA have a huge monopoly and hundreds of gaming studios under their belt, they are a huge organisation that dwarfs Trion in every way possible.
EA can afford to mess things up, and they do repeatedly yet they continue to release games that players want to a wide variety of player types.
Trion on the other hand specialise in MMO's, they are a small and fairly new company who rely on reputation to bolster their sales, until Defiance and AA the perception was that they were pretty good and known for quality, now they are not and will take a pretty big hit for their next project.
Players don't forget, just remember the SWG NGE disaster, Sony still to this day are remembered for that mess just as Trion will be remembered for this. Although personally I would say Trions handling of everything has been 10 times worse than the SWG NGE messup.
what this dude said!
mmorpg junkie since 1999
Just a shame really, was very excited for this game and it's potential. Spent the 150 and such and was having a blast, and then the game was released and it has been a "crapshow" ever since. Trion and AA will not be getting any money from me going forward.
Thank goodness, DragonAge and Repopulation are available for me to play. Both are in a State that blows AA out of the water with their content and fun factor.
Good Luck to those still playing AA, I hope for your sakes it does improve.
I am doing my part.
Rather than uninstall, which would leave the hackshield rootkit in place, I am buying a new machine, and installing windows 10 on an SSD. Parts are due to arrive today.
What are others doing to get rid of Archeage?
Playing alternatives and canceling subscriptions would help. As much as I supported ArcheAge in the past it's another MMO that has a built-in RNG sink design to rip players off with even more so company running it.
What game takes x amount of real-life days to grow items or forces players to stay-ingame in order to restore labor points? Trial House turned from an active player community chat to a AFK mute house for labor points. Mature guilds have broken up from past screw ups resulting from Trion and the ones that remain unfortunately have been involved in exploiting the game through APEX, World Bosses, or malicious server crashes. We have guild leaders selling castles for real world money or Delphinad weapons going for 65,000K and up. It's insane.
Can't say how long ArcheAge will last in it's true state and not the PR fluff that still goes around. A community that thumbs at newer/non-hasla weapon players but embrace a RNG model that is design to indigest and consume wallets. There is also an unhealthy obession on obtaining the best gear in the game, and the community has warped into a infestation of trolls and a-pipes. This of course has resulted in the worst type of players on a MMO with little to no accountability. In AA's case there has been the most deogratory chats done in the game and Trion will do nothing. This includes racism, sexism, pedophilia chats, corspe multilations and nazism. It's quiet disgusting if you ever seen the conversations held on Nation and Faction chats. Worst than the overhyped "concerns" during Tera's launch over Elin which significantly pales in comparison. You also have land-grabbers that talk trash to others because they know Trion will do nothing about their behavior and are also the root of destruction in the game.
http://www.twitch.tv/ragesugar/c/5542013
As much as I am for freedom of expression (Feel free to look at any of my past posts!) I would advise parents not to allow their kids to play ArcheAge because of concerns expressed above. The game is literally unmonitored and Trion will do nothing unless it involves Apex, the F2P subscription alternative.
Game is centered on greed and is built on greed through the RNG and LP system. The MMO developers are not what they use to be before but are actively ripping their consumer-base off. As much as players want to sympathize and believe in MMO developers or throw money at them, in AA's case there is a strong gambling and money-milking system involved in the core of the game. Trion also allows scamming.
http://forums.archeagegame.com/showthread.php?67058-Is-scamming-really-allowed-in-this-game
Which in turn has brought all types of unsavories and scammers into the game that were not there before. This includes guild-leaders profiting off the back of players for real money so don't be fooled!
It's a mobile cash shop game in the design of a MMO environment. ArcheAge will continue to be this way as long as there are player's to support its money-sink business methods and as long as MMO companies think they can get away with bad business standards.
If you are trying to help AA's cause, it's not coming off well. Better served by saying nothing at all.