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Repost of Pub 27 notes (so far)

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  • ObraikObraik Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 7,261



    Originally posted by admriker444



    Originally posted by Obraik



    Originally posted by admriker444

    Oh Obraik, so full of hope and enthusiasm I see. You cant possible have played this game since launch or you'd know better.
    I can think of at least 10 publishes that had impressive lists for fixes like that. And guess what, it was all fluff. I guarantee you half of those so-called fixes wont solve the problem. And the few fixes that actually work will also break something else.
    I also guarantee you these problems will appear on Test server and SOE will ignore them and push 27 live anyway. From what Im reading, there are many glaring issues and bugs now on Test server. What was that delay for anyway ? Pub 27 is just as buggy as the previous 26 publishes.
    And lets give credit where credit is due here. SOE finally got around to fixing the issue with Rebreathers (you couldnt pick them up). Everyone knows how critical it was to fix that gamebreaking issue. And it only took SOE 1.5 years to fix it...amazing


    Does it eat you up (and the rest here that seem to think it's a big deal I still play the game) inside knowing that I can still play the game and have fun doing so?  image  Yes, I've been playing since launch...

    I've played the changes on TC and so far there's nothing hugely wrong yet.  There are some animations for some of the Heavies that are a little iffy and an annoying bug where if you click on something like a terminal with a Heavy equipped, the weapon will fire off.  Something simillar happens on vehicles too, it'll say you can't but it'll still fire it (doing no damage to anything tho).  From reading what people are saying on the TCPA chat room on TC, it seems pretty good so far and smoothes out alot of rough areas.  Of course, how things behave on TC is not always how it will behave on Live.

    Shayde, DOTs do still exist, and it's also added back into the DWB with this Pub :p  Medic's death cloud is a DOT for instance, and most of the Heavies add a DOT when fired.



    Yes it does bother me that you still play. Why....

    1.) Its preventing me from getting my beloved pre-cu server or a rollback to pre-cu. If enough of you stick around, SOE wont ever go back. If enough leave (and I think we're very close) then SOE will admit their mistake and roll back the servers.

    2.) It sets a very bad example for other mmorpg developers out there. It says what SOE has done is okay with the players (like you) and therefore we can do it also. We can now revamp major changes into a mmorpg and the players will just suck it up and take it.

    3.) It says its okay to release a shoddy bug-filled product and use player subscriber money to later finish it. Why would SOE ever release completed expansions, working publishes, etc when they can just put in artificial bugs to gat players advancement and then fix it later with your $15 a month ? By you continuing to pay SOE, you are saying its okay for SOE to dump bugs into a game and fix them later.

    I dont care if your having fun. All that matters is your still paying them and that affects us all


    1. Just for a little bit more sting, I'm paying for TWO accounts image  I'm sorry (not really, but you know...), but I'm not about to stop having fun simply so you can get back what you want, you don't care that I'm having fun afterall so why should I care what you want?

    2. Heh, do I really care about other MMOs?  No, not really, I don't play them and I'm not about to stop playing SWG so that their game can stay honkey dorey.

    3. I don't know why, but I'm very rarely affected by bugs, even though I'm doing stuff that is supposebly bugged for others, so my view is different there. 

    As for the whole "they're adding back stuff that was already int he game", well usually that is the nature of a revamp :p  Yes, Heavy Weapons have been in the game since release up till the NGE, but they're coming back different (the way you use them, damage, etc) and in most Commandos opinions, better.

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  • ShaydeShayde Member Posts: 4,529

    Good point...

    "We're fixing a bunch of our bugs.. players REJOICE!!!!"

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  • anarchyartanarchyart Member Posts: 5,378

    Cmon guys lol I know you hate, but all of your insolent cries of foulups from the past only go to solidify the fact that this is one amazing update. You would have to be freebasing demon farts to miss that.

    Dissing sony is fine, they deserve it, but Obraik is just a guy that enjoys the game. The game is still fun, and getting more so all the time.

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  • ShaydeShayde Member Posts: 4,529


    Originally posted by anarchyart
    Cmon guys lol I know you hate, but all of your insolent cries of foulups from the past only go to solidify the fact that this is one amazing update. You would have to be freebasing demon farts to miss that.
    Dissing sony is fine, they deserve it, but Obraik is just a guy that enjoys the game. The game is still fun, and getting more so all the time.

    Looking at your sig, and X-fire stats.. you really don't know that, do ya.

    Shayde - SWG (dead)
    Proud member of the Cabal.
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    I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
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  • anarchyartanarchyart Member Posts: 5,378



    Originally posted by Shayde




    Originally posted by anarchyart
    Cmon guys lol I know you hate, but all of your insolent cries of foulups from the past only go to solidify the fact that this is one amazing update. You would have to be freebasing demon farts to miss that.
    Dissing sony is fine, they deserve it, but Obraik is just a guy that enjoys the game. The game is still fun, and getting more so all the time.


    Looking at your sig, and X-fire stats.. you really don't know that, do ya.



    *cough*stalker*cough* anywho I played since the last update and had fun, and Heavy Weapons are being added, that equals more fun to me. Cmon Shayde, I know you hate, but you must admit that's a nice update.

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  • JonathJCenJonathJCen Member UncommonPosts: 202

    Obriak, the point we are trying to make is this: Since launch, they've had all this 'content' that wasn't even in the game. I and numorous people have found all this artwork that really belongs to the Star Wars universe, while instead of USING it they kept putting in crap that had NOTHING to do with star wars. THEN, they constantly take stuff away, and put it back. take stuff away, and put it back. They give up before they try. I'm glad you're having fun, but don't be blind at the same time and try and stick up for a company that has yet to deliver something they've promised without taking it away a few patches later.

    Anarchyart, you are missing another good point. EVERY single publish list they've come out with has had at least (and I'm being nice here) one declared add in or fix that was nowhere to be seen when it launched. Their writen word means NOTHING, I'd sooner trust a congressman before SOE. They promise to fix issues, but instead they just change the game and ingore the issues.

    This game has little to do with Star Wars but skin and texture. Story lines shot to hell and beyond, but we've gone there already and it's become intrensic to us to know about what all I'm refering to without saying anything more.


    ....Star Wars Galaxies, namely SOE, killed my inner child... Last I checked, you got fried for the murder of a childimage Let them die like the dreams of a thousand gammers.

  • ShaydeShayde Member Posts: 4,529


    Originally posted by anarchyart
    Originally posted by Shayde Originally posted by anarchyartCmon guys lol I know you hate, but all of your insolent cries of foulups from the past only go to solidify the fact that this is one amazing update. You would have to be freebasing demon farts to miss that.Dissing sony is fine, they deserve it, but Obraik is just a guy that enjoys the game. The game is still fun, and getting more so all the time.Looking at your sig, and X-fire stats.. you really don't know that, do ya.*cough*stalker*cough* anywho I played since the last update and had fun, and Heavy Weapons are being added, that equals more fun to me. Cmon Shayde, I know you hate, but you must admit that's a nice update.

    Actually I can't. Everything in it is just a fix for what they broke in the nge.

    "We fixed some of our bugs".. what, do they want a cookie?

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  • anarchyartanarchyart Member Posts: 5,378
    If you think it's just fixing things that were broke with the NGE then you need to read it again. And before you spout off on how I'm wrong, there are lots of improvements to the game in it. You name some for me, I'm tired.

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  • ObraikObraik Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 7,261



    Originally posted by JonathJCen

    Obriak, the point we are trying to make is this: Since launch, they've had all this 'content' that wasn't even in the game. I and numorous people have found all this artwork that really belongs to the Star Wars universe, while instead of USING it they kept putting in crap that had NOTHING to do with star wars. THEN, they constantly take stuff away, and put it back. take stuff away, and put it back. They give up before they try. I'm glad you're having fun, but don't be blind at the same time and try and stick up for a company that has yet to deliver something they've promised without taking it away a few patches later.
    Anarchyart, you are missing another good point. EVERY single publish list they've come out with has had at least (and I'm being nice here) one declared add in or fix that was nowhere to be seen when it launched. Their writen word means NOTHING, I'd sooner trust a congressman before SOE. They promise to fix issues, but instead they just change the game and ingore the issues.

    This game has little to do with Star Wars but skin and texture. Story lines shot to hell and beyond, but we've gone there already and it's become intrensic to us to know about what all I'm refering to without saying anything more.


    ....Star Wars Galaxies, namely SOE, killed my inner child... Last I checked, you got fried for the murder of a childimage Let them die like the dreams of a thousand gammers.




    If what you saw was hidden in .tre files then no, it wasn't in the game

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  • GungaDinGungaDin Member UncommonPosts: 514
    I can't believe that people still play this game.  It boggles the mind.  I played from day 1 till DEC 2005.  They still havent fixed things from day 1. 
  • NatedogNatedog Member Posts: 22

    Fishing

    * All players should be able to filet fish now. You can do this by accessing the item's radial menu.


    Wow! They fixed fishing, watch the players flock back to the servers. And you people thought this game was dying.:::^D::

  • ScarisScaris Member UncommonPosts: 5,332


    Originally posted by anarchyart
    Originally posted by Shayde Originally posted by anarchyartCmon guys lol I know you hate, but all of your insolent cries of foulups from the past only go to solidify the fact that this is one amazing update. You would have to be freebasing demon farts to miss that.Dissing sony is fine, they deserve it, but Obraik is just a guy that enjoys the game. The game is still fun, and getting more so all the time.Looking at your sig, and X-fire stats.. you really don't know that, do ya.*cough*stalker*cough* anywho I played since the last update and had fun, and Heavy Weapons are being added, that equals more fun to me. Cmon Shayde, I know you hate, but you must admit that's a nice update.

    Correction slick, Heavy Weapons are being RE-enabled because they turned them off to rush out the NGE. Get your story straight.

    - Scaris

    "What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World

  • ScarisScaris Member UncommonPosts: 5,332


    Originally posted by admriker444

    Yes it does bother me that you still play. Why....
    1.) Its preventing me from getting my beloved pre-cu server or a rollback to pre-cu. If enough of you stick around, SOE wont ever go back. If enough leave (and I think we're very close) then SOE will admit their mistake and roll back the servers.
    2.) It sets a very bad example for other mmorpg developers out there. It says what SOE has done is okay with the players (like you) and therefore we can do it also. We can now revamp major changes into a mmorpg and the players will just suck it up and take it.
    3.) It says its okay to release a shoddy bug-filled product and use player subscriber money to later finish it. Why would SOE ever release completed expansions, working publishes, etc when they can just put in artificial bugs to gat players advancement and then fix it later with your $15 a month ? By you continuing to pay SOE, you are saying its okay for SOE to dump bugs into a game and fix them later.
    I dont care if your having fun. All that matters is your still paying them and that affects us all

    The king of SWG trolls now bitching that someone is keeping him from getting his SWG game on. Admirker. You want your game back, write Torres. You should know dam well he isn't the reason you can't play pre-CU and there isn't a chance in hell they will roll servers back. They would rather let those servers collect dust them roll them back so enough with that already, it's a very beaten and dead friggin horse.

    When you could play SWG pre-cu all you could do was sit in here and bitch about what was wrong with it. Now you have to have it back and are willing to accuse other gamers who heaven forbid enjoy their game and don't feel the need to bitch about it the entire way, nice one.

    You don't care if he is having fun, it's all about what level YOU think games quality should be? So the gaming industry is some morale battleground that is going to save the world or something? If the gaming industry takes a complete nose dive in quality are we all going to be living on the streets, is that what you are trying to say? Gaming IS a frivalous recreation, I think the entire POINT of it is to have fun.

    Apparently LEC and SOE feel your attitude is in the minority. Deal with it or take it up with them. I got an idea, why don't you pay your small fee to protest and go stand in front of their offices with a nice big ROLLBACK sign if it means so much too ya. You can be the worlds first Gaming Activist.

    - Scaris

    "What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World

  • anarchyartanarchyart Member Posts: 5,378



    Originally posted by Fadeus




    Originally posted by anarchyart


    Originally posted by Shayde

    Originally posted by anarchyartCmon guys lol I know you hate, but all of your insolent cries of foulups from the past only go to solidify the fact that this is one amazing update. You would have to be freebasing demon farts to miss that.Dissing sony is fine, they deserve it, but Obraik is just a guy that enjoys the game. The game is still fun, and getting more so all the time.

    Looking at your sig, and X-fire stats.. you really don't know that, do ya.
    *cough*stalker*cough* anywho I played since the last update and had fun, and Heavy Weapons are being added, that equals more fun to me. Cmon Shayde, I know you hate, but you must admit that's a nice update.


    Correction slick, Heavy Weapons are being RE-enabled because they turned them off to rush out the NGE. Get your story straight.



    I never said they weren't in the game before I just said added. Everyone knows they were disabled with the NGE. Take your ritalin.

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  • freebirdpatfreebirdpat Member Posts: 568


    Originally posted by GungaDin
    I can't believe that people still play this game. It boggles the mind. I played from day 1 till DEC 2005. They still havent fixed things from day 1.
    You mean since Day 2. If you remember correctly, the game didn't work on Day 1. Which kind of sets the stage for the rest of its history.
  • ScarisScaris Member UncommonPosts: 5,332


    Originally posted by anarchyart
    I never said they weren't in the game before I just said added. Everyone knows they were disabled with the NGE. Take your ritalin.

    No, but you sure sounded like that is what you were implying.

    - Scaris

    "What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World

  • duncan_922duncan_922 Member Posts: 1,670



    Originally posted by anarchyart

    Cmon guys lol I know you hate, but all of your insolent cries of foulups from the past only go to solidify the fact that this is one amazing update. You would have to be freebasing demon farts to miss that.
    Dissing sony is fine, they deserve it, but Obraik is just a guy that enjoys the game. The game is still fun, and getting more so all the time.




    AA...  Enjoying the game is fine and dandy.  If Obraik is really enjoying the game, which I often doubt, then by all means more power to him and I hope he gets to enjoy it for years to come!  But the truth of the matter is that, if you look at the OP again, the first 4 points (Publish Gift, Heavy Weapons, Profession: Jedi and Stealth and Traps) are "added content".  Some of it could be debatable because for example, Heavy Weapons is just re-adding something that was taken away, so the use of the words "added content" is questionable.  The rest of it is just one HUGE list of bugfixes!  And without the question of how many of these "fixes" will break something else, this just speaks of mediocrity and it becoming acceptable.  That's why I said that when people are used to mediocrity, they'll get excited with garbage like this. 

    Honestly, no matter who you are, how you come about your money or if you enjoy this game or not, it shouldn't come to the point where people are getting excited about things that will be finally fixed on something that you are paying $15 a month for.

    SOE knows what you like... You don't!
    And don't forget... I am forcing you to read this!

  • anarchyartanarchyart Member Posts: 5,378



    Originally posted by Fadeus




    Originally posted by anarchyart
    I never said they weren't in the game before I just said added. Everyone knows they were disabled with the NGE. Take your ritalin.

    No, but you sure sounded like that is what you were implying.


    Maybe to someone who has never played before but you have played before and so have I so it was a stupid assumption.

    And it really is a nice publish, no matter who you are. You guys have to give them some credit at some point. If they fix things, you say "Those are just fixes of things that should have been working!", if things are broken you say "Look at all that's broken!" LOL.

    There has to be a point when you become the bigger person by letting go, no matter how bad someone or company has hurt you. Doesn't there? Not defending SOE at all, they don't deserve that. But for yourselves, you have to walk away in some way at some point.

    Even the Jews would have given up on the Hitler forums by now.

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  • Originally posted by anarchyart

    You guys have to give them some credit at some point. If they fix things, you say "Those are just fixes of things that should have been working!", if things are broken you say "Look at all that's broken!" LOL.


    Credit for what?  It's like locking someone up and starving them and then a week later tossing a small crust of bread their way.  Does that make you a saintly person?

    SO$ deserves no credit for anything.  The only people in this scenerio who deserve anything are the paying customers who deserved a working product years ago.  Now, after all this time, people are to the point of being happy when a "live" product goes from alpha to beta.  Do you realize how silly the entire situation is?  People have been *paying* to alpha and beta test a game that just went back into alpha for all intents and purposes.

  • anarchyartanarchyart Member Posts: 5,378



    Originally posted by Aildrik



    Originally posted by anarchyart

    You guys have to give them some credit at some point. If they fix things, you say "Those are just fixes of things that should have been working!", if things are broken you say "Look at all that's broken!" LOL.

    Credit for what?  It's like locking someone up and starving them and then a week later tossing a small crust of bread their way.  Does that make you a saintly person?

    SO$ deserves no credit for anything.  The only people in this scenerio who deserve anything are the paying customers who deserved a working product years ago.  Now, after all this time, people are to the point of being happy when a "live" product goes from alpha to beta.  Do you realize how silly the entire situation is?  People have been *paying* to alpha and beta test a game that just went back into alpha for all intents and purposes.


    Credit for this publish.

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  • ScarisScaris Member UncommonPosts: 5,332


    Originally posted by anarchyart
    Originally posted by Fadeus Originally posted by anarchyartI never said they weren't in the game before I just said added. Everyone knows they were disabled with the NGE. Take your ritalin.No, but you sure sounded like that is what you were implying.
    Maybe to someone who has never played before but you have played before and so have I so it was a stupid assumption.
    And it really is a nice publish, no matter who you are. You guys have to give them some credit at some point. If they fix things, you say "Those are just fixes of things that should have been working!", if things are broken you say "Look at all that's broken!" LOL.
    There has to be a point when you become the bigger person by letting go, no matter how bad someone or company has hurt you. Doesn't there? Not defending SOE at all, they don't deserve that. But for yourselves, you have to walk away in some way at some point.
    Even the Jews would have given up on the Hitler forums by now.


    No AA, the only thing was stupid was the off comment at me. And now your trying to throw in yet more off statements to stoke the coals even more. Nice try though slick, you lace your comments just perfectly too stir the coals in discussions that aren't entertaining enough for you.

    I already did let go AA, if you actually read some of my posts you should have been able to add 2+2 together by now. However you TRYING to make me appear to have not so you can devalidate me with the little personal attacks isn't gonna wash. I corrected your statement, deal with it.

    - Scaris

    "What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World

  • ScarisScaris Member UncommonPosts: 5,332


    Originally posted by anarchyart
    Originally posted by Aildrik
    Originally posted by anarchyart You guys have to give them some credit at some point. If they fix things, you say "Those are just fixes of things that should have been working!", if things are broken you say "Look at all that's broken!" LOL.
    Credit for what? It's like locking someone up and starving them and then a week later tossing a small crust of bread their way. Does that make you a saintly person?
    SO$ deserves no credit for anything. The only people in this scenerio who deserve anything are the paying customers who deserved a working product years ago. Now, after all this time, people are to the point of being happy when a "live" product goes from alpha to beta. Do you realize how silly the entire situation is? People have been *paying* to alpha and beta test a game that just went back into alpha for all intents and purposes.
    Credit for this publish.

    No credit is due.

    - Scaris

    "What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World




  • Originally posted by anarchyart



    Originally posted by Aildrik



    Originally posted by anarchyart

    You guys have to give them some credit at some point. If they fix things, you say "Those are just fixes of things that should have been working!", if things are broken you say "Look at all that's broken!" LOL.

    Credit for what?  It's like locking someone up and starving them and then a week later tossing a small crust of bread their way.  Does that make you a saintly person?

    SO$ deserves no credit for anything.  The only people in this scenerio who deserve anything are the paying customers who deserved a working product years ago.  Now, after all this time, people are to the point of being happy when a "live" product goes from alpha to beta.  Do you realize how silly the entire situation is?  People have been *paying* to alpha and beta test a game that just went back into alpha for all intents and purposes.


    Credit for this publish.



    Correct, they don't deserve any credit for this publish.  If they had any respect for their playerbase, they would have polished the "NGE" to the point that it didn't require months of successive fixing.

    I really don't understand what the suits at $OE are smoking.  They release an extremely controversial makeover to their 2+ year old game.  Every bit of logic would dictate that in doing so, they would release this makeover in the most pristine form possible in order to minimize the negative impact.  Instead, you now alienate the veterans (granted: not much they could do to avoid this) PLUS you piss off the people who might have supported the makeover due to it being rushed.

  • anarchyartanarchyart Member Posts: 5,378



    Originally posted by Fadeus



    No credit is due.



    I disagree, it's a huge publish but I won't argue any longer with you. No matter what they do from here on in I suspect it won't be enough for you, correct?

    On a side not I noticed that at London Drugs there were a whole shwack of starter kits (I think 6) and last night I checked to see if they were still there and they were all sold. I found it hard to believe and thought they might have been recalled or something (too much time on this negative wasteland we call a forum) so I asked they guy behind the counter and he said yes they all sold.

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  • pirrgpirrg Member Posts: 1,443

    woah, thats aloooot of stuff. If all the publishes will contain this many improvements then sky is the limit for SWG. I foresee great things for this game in the future.

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