Originally posted by Entinerint Originally posted by kiern Originally posted by Entinerint
True but those who have subbed since the beginning and continue to do so (like myself on three accounts) are worth substantially more to the company than someone who buys the game once and never puts any more money into it.If a subbing player does something bannable expect it to be a 3-day ban, whereas a freeloader will get a perma. Not to say subbers will never be banned, just that the subbers will get more leniency than those who do not sub.That's just how business works.
No you are not worth more. That is just an entitle view that you have of yourself because you spend a little money.
The truth is, if you were worth all that much, they would not be changing the business model. There is not going to be any variations in banning. If you do something worth being banned for, you need to get banned the same as everyone else, and you will.
Clearly, they have determined that the people that sub are not enough to sustain the game, so they NEED all of the B2P players. You see, the devs do not see the B2P players as "freeloaders". They see them as customers. Customers who have paid money for the game, and customers who may spend money through they game store. They are not worth less, and you are not worth more.
That's very adorable and idealistic, but does not in any way reflect the reality of business.
Customers who spend more money on your product are of more value to you. It's just that simple. Take off the rose-colored glasses buddy. This isn't a friendship circle, this is a business.
Really? You're going to fight over who the devs love more? LOL
For the next few months it's none of the above - it's the potential new console customers.
And BTW, I wouldn't test that theory of banning length if I were you...
He is not fighting he is giving his opinion just like the person who thinks his special. I notice you have not committed on his posts but that's typical.
After all he shares the same opinion with you about the game. Yes it is about console player's which they value more than Pc players especially those who have been paying to give console players a smooth release.
True but those who have subbed since the beginning and continue to do so (like myself on three accounts) are worth substantially more to the company than someone who buys the game once and never puts any more money into it.
If a subbing player does something bannable expect it to be a 3-day ban, whereas a freeloader will get a perma. Not to say subbers will never be banned, just that the subbers will get more leniency than those who do not sub.
That's just how business works.
No you are not worth more. That is just an entitle view that you have of yourself because you spend a little money.
The truth is, if you were worth all that much, they would not be changing the business model. There is not going to be any variations in banning. If you do something worth being banned for, you need to get banned the same as everyone else, and you will.
Clearly, they have determined that the people that sub are not enough to sustain the game, so they NEED all of the B2P players. You see, the devs do not see the B2P players as "freeloaders". They see them as customers. Customers who have paid money for the game, and customers who may spend money through they game store. They are not worth less, and you are not worth more.
That's very adorable and idealistic, but does not in any way reflect the reality of business.
Customers who spend more money on your product are of more value to you. It's just that simple. Take off the rose-colored glasses buddy. This isn't a friendship circle, this is a business.
Really? You're going to fight over who the devs love more? LOL
For the next few months it's none of the above - it's the potential new console customers.
And BTW, I wouldn't test that theory of banning length if I were you...
He is not fighting he is giving his opinion just like the person who thinks his special. I notice you have not committed on his posts but that's typical. After all he shares the same opinion with you about the game. Yes it is about console player's which they value more than Pc players especially those who have been paying to give console players a smooth release.
I 100% completely agree and feel as if ZOS has used me (a pc player) as their paid beta bitch in order to complete their game.
Am I upset over this? Not at all. I am upset over the direction big budget games are headed with bullshit release dates and charging for pre-release content. It is a terrible trend but it is what it is and I have no control over it. I chose to pay the sub for a short time and recognize that ESO can only survive on multiple platforms and as a mega-server game through B2P.
I simply wish they had the ballz to admit it whereas SOE (formerly) at least hung their dirty laundry out to dry for all to see and admitted clearly what they were doing. I have never even played a SOE game for more than minutes (I was an AC fan instead of EQ and frankly SOE games suck ... or let's say "not my style") yet I almost respect them more for being honest.
True but those who have subbed since the beginning and continue to do so (like myself on three accounts) are worth substantially more to the company than someone who buys the game once and never puts any more money into it.
If a subbing player does something bannable expect it to be a 3-day ban, whereas a freeloader will get a perma. Not to say subbers will never be banned, just that the subbers will get more leniency than those who do not sub.
That's just how business works.
No you are not worth more. That is just an entitle view that you have of yourself because you spend a little money.
The truth is, if you were worth all that much, they would not be changing the business model. There is not going to be any variations in banning. If you do something worth being banned for, you need to get banned the same as everyone else, and you will.
Clearly, they have determined that the people that sub are not enough to sustain the game, so they NEED all of the B2P players. You see, the devs do not see the B2P players as "freeloaders". They see them as customers. Customers who have paid money for the game, and customers who may spend money through they game store. They are not worth less, and you are not worth more.
That's very adorable and idealistic, but does not in any way reflect the reality of business.
Customers who spend more money on your product are of more value to you. It's just that simple. Take off the rose-colored glasses buddy. This isn't a friendship circle, this is a business.
Yes, it is a business, and it is funny how you ignored the business part of my comment. Just because you pay a subscription does not mean that you are paying more than someone who doesn't. A subscription means that you pay regularly, not that you pay more.
If they were getting enough money from people, like you, who subbed, they would not have made the game B2P. That should be obvious. Therefore, it was a business decision. They need the B2P players, for the extra revenue they will provide.
Despite the fact that you consider B2P or F2P players "freeloaders", the devs see them as sources of income, because those are actually very real business models. And while you may have people that don't spend cent more than they have to, these models also have their whales, that spend far more than your monthly subscription fee, on a regular basis.
It has nothing to do with being idealistic. It is business, as you say. Despite your sense of elitism over paying a subscription, the truth is that they cannot afford to alienate the new customers that they have just gone to the trouble to attract. It would be bad business. It would be good business, on the other hand, to ban anyone that has done anything worthy of being banned....subscription, or not.
I played beta and launch for 3 months...then decided to quit. I've been waiting for the subscription to get waived and it did. I look forward to playing again!
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Originally posted by Salute I bought the game a couple weeks ago after the B2P announcement. I m trying to like it but i cant. Maybe its not my cup of tea, i don't know. Anyway i ll check it again after 1.6.
Yeah was in the same boat. Been playing almost 2 months. I stopped my sub.and may try it when B2P hits. But its just not grabbing me anymore. Its my problem with all these new mmo's right now. Something is just missing from them. Been replaying Fallout 3 and New Vegas with skyrim all with the xpacks and mods for pc. That's keeping me busy for now.
Originally posted by kitarad I am playing it so no. I do not need to have the sub removed to play. We should support the games we like not based on what their payment system is.
Have you ever considered people are out there who don't think the game is worth the cost? I like the game for instance but don't think it's worth the cost. And apparently more people thought the same...
I will if I can live in Cyrodill. Wasn t fond of the pve, unless it a necessary evil. On that note, are there and AvA heavy guilds recruiting, I don t care what faction, just wanting to RvR.
I wouldn't say excited either (surprise!). I was already patiently waiting/expecting for b2p with this game for the past 7-8 months. Another month is a drop in the bucket though in honesty, it will probably be another couple of months before I actually log in again. I'm sure ESO will still be there when I do.
I wonder if they will remove the ban from my account when it goes B2P. I closed my sub and they still tried to bill me for six months in a row before I had to get my CC company to step in. Once I did that they banned my account lol. Told me to pay back the six months of game time to get it back. I told them to go to hell.
Originally posted by Stone_Fountain I'd rather squat over a flaming Hibachi than spend another hour in this game.
Cool! If I hated a game that much, the last thing I'd want to be doing is wasting my time posting in a forum dedicated to that game.
I would like to join Stone_Fountain only please dip me in oil and gas first and rub my skin raw with sandpaper and gouge my eyes out through my ears and fill my mouth up with manure until if runs out of my nose.
I am excited! I played beta and then a month or so, but quit because it was broken. Later went to ArcheAge until they broke that. AA was great, but they broke it and allowed cheaters and bots and evil peepz.
Went back to WoW and had fun just leveling by doing dungeons, but remembered it was WAY old.
Friends and rumors of TESO being fixed and better lured me back a month or so ago and it is GREAT! It works WAY better and I am having a blast. I don't know anything about 1.6 coming, but I just hope they don't re-break it. TESO is beautiful and it feels so real when I cast or hit somebody or do my professions... even though I suck at them... which might make it even more real.
It really seems like the online crowd is ramping up and getting ready for next month with no sub. It seems VERY busy. I like it because peepz are all over the world... not just waiting in cities for group finders like WoW.
No. I like the game, but the studio has already been hit with layoffs. I'm not excited because it's unlikely the game will ever reach the potential it had. Games don't get as good as they could have when you pull resources out of them. Seeing ESO pull a SWOTOR and apparently make good money from it's monetization switch. If they can do that and then put out ads for hiring a bunch of new employees then that would get me excited.
I managed to find a cheap box before they do the price hike on them. I'll be using that sub before the switch, so i'll have some bonus time with benefits. Either way, it's only until something else releases that i'll play the game. I don't buy most of the mainstream released games, because they're selling them half-finished these days.
I'm not sure if it's sad or a sign of things, but i've been playing old titles more than new ones. The next Unreal Tournament probably isn't release ready for another 2 years, so i've been playing some of the older titles.
I want to be excited about it...and then another thread here reminded me about no AH, not even a decent regional one. I remember the game pushing my character to alternate story lines of other races. That's two steps back for me.
The game is not fundamentally changing, only the community is.
I'm more excited about the removal of the veteran rank crap, which is why I didn't stay subscribed to this game in the first place. It's funny that they've been steadily making this game worth a sub just in time for them to drop the sub model. I may or may not sub again, depending on how DLC works as a subscriber going forward.
I want to be excited about it...and then another thread here reminded me about no AH, not even a decent regional one. I remember the game pushing my character to alternate story lines of other races. That's two steps back for me.
The game is not fundamentally changing, only the community is.
I find the guild stores work perfectly fine. It puts the power of selling and promotion in the hands of the players. You can also visit guild merchants throughout the land.
Global auction houses were the first step to ruining community. I applaud ZOS for trying something different.
I'm more excited about the removal of the veteran rank crap, which is why I didn't stay subscribed to this game in the first place. It's funny that they've been steadily making this game worth a sub just in time for them to drop the sub model. I may or may not sub again, depending on how DLC works as a subscriber going forward.
Ain't that the truth. If they had simply done away with the VR nonsense right away and just left the rest of the faction as "open world max level content" I never would have dropped sub. VR was just too much.
I'm more excited about the removal of the veteran rank crap, which is why I didn't stay subscribed to this game in the first place. It's funny that they've been steadily making this game worth a sub just in time for them to drop the sub model. I may or may not sub again, depending on how DLC works as a subscriber going forward.
Ain't that the truth. If they had simply done away with the VR nonsense right away and just left the rest of the faction as "open world max level content" I never would have dropped sub. VR was just too much.
Well, I have bad news for you both then: it ain't gone and won't be gone until sometime after June at the earliest... if it ever does go away.
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I'm more excited about the removal of the veteran rank crap, which is why I didn't stay subscribed to this game in the first place. It's funny that they've been steadily making this game worth a sub just in time for them to drop the sub model. I may or may not sub again, depending on how DLC works as a subscriber going forward.
Ain't that the truth. If they had simply done away with the VR nonsense right away and just left the rest of the faction as "open world max level content" I never would have dropped sub. VR was just too much.
Well, I have bad news for you both then: it ain't gone and won't be gone until sometime after June at the earliest... if it ever does go away.
Booooo that sucks. I guess I'll just hang out with my single player RPG's for a while until they sort it out because I do like the game and want to go back.
I want to be excited about it...and then another thread here reminded me about no AH, not even a decent regional one. I remember the game pushing my character to alternate story lines of other races. That's two steps back for me.
The game is not fundamentally changing, only the community is.
I find the guild stores work perfectly fine. It puts the power of selling and promotion in the hands of the players. You can also visit guild merchants throughout the land.
Global auction houses were the first step to ruining community. I applaud ZOS for trying something different.
More community ruining than dropping a subscription barrier? I guess we'll see, eh? I'm all about trying something different. Not so much about making a game a more difficult proposition of my time.
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Nope, I'm moving to a rural location that has 5MB internet so I won't be online gaming for a while.
No you are not worth more. That is just an entitle view that you have of yourself because you spend a little money.
The truth is, if you were worth all that much, they would not be changing the business model. There is not going to be any variations in banning. If you do something worth being banned for, you need to get banned the same as everyone else, and you will.
Clearly, they have determined that the people that sub are not enough to sustain the game, so they NEED all of the B2P players. You see, the devs do not see the B2P players as "freeloaders". They see them as customers. Customers who have paid money for the game, and customers who may spend money through they game store. They are not worth less, and you are not worth more.
That's very adorable and idealistic, but does not in any way reflect the reality of business.
Customers who spend more money on your product are of more value to you. It's just that simple. Take off the rose-colored glasses buddy. This isn't a friendship circle, this is a business.
Really? You're going to fight over who the devs love more? LOL
For the next few months it's none of the above - it's the potential new console customers.
And BTW, I wouldn't test that theory of banning length if I were you...
He is not fighting he is giving his opinion just like the person who thinks his special. I notice you have not committed on his posts but that's typical.After all he shares the same opinion with you about the game. Yes it is about console player's which they value more than Pc players especially those who have been paying to give console players a smooth release.
I 100% completely agree and feel as if ZOS has used me (a pc player) as their paid beta bitch in order to complete their game.
Am I upset over this? Not at all. I am upset over the direction big budget games are headed with bullshit release dates and charging for pre-release content. It is a terrible trend but it is what it is and I have no control over it. I chose to pay the sub for a short time and recognize that ESO can only survive on multiple platforms and as a mega-server game through B2P.
I simply wish they had the ballz to admit it whereas SOE (formerly) at least hung their dirty laundry out to dry for all to see and admitted clearly what they were doing. I have never even played a SOE game for more than minutes (I was an AC fan instead of EQ and frankly SOE games suck ... or let's say "not my style") yet I almost respect them more for being honest.
You stay sassy!
After I did read the game is going free 2 play or without subscription, I lost the desire to login anymore.
Yes, it is a business, and it is funny how you ignored the business part of my comment. Just because you pay a subscription does not mean that you are paying more than someone who doesn't. A subscription means that you pay regularly, not that you pay more.
If they were getting enough money from people, like you, who subbed, they would not have made the game B2P. That should be obvious. Therefore, it was a business decision. They need the B2P players, for the extra revenue they will provide.
Despite the fact that you consider B2P or F2P players "freeloaders", the devs see them as sources of income, because those are actually very real business models. And while you may have people that don't spend cent more than they have to, these models also have their whales, that spend far more than your monthly subscription fee, on a regular basis.
It has nothing to do with being idealistic. It is business, as you say. Despite your sense of elitism over paying a subscription, the truth is that they cannot afford to alienate the new customers that they have just gone to the trouble to attract. It would be bad business. It would be good business, on the other hand, to ban anyone that has done anything worthy of being banned....subscription, or not.
I played beta and launch for 3 months...then decided to quit. I've been waiting for the subscription to get waived and it did. I look forward to playing again!
Proud MMORPG.com member since March 2004! Make PvE GREAT Again!
Yeah was in the same boat. Been playing almost 2 months. I stopped my sub.and may try it when B2P hits. But its just not grabbing me anymore. Its my problem with all these new mmo's right now. Something is just missing from them. Been replaying Fallout 3 and New Vegas with skyrim all with the xpacks and mods for pc. That's keeping me busy for now.
Have you ever considered people are out there who don't think the game is worth the cost? I like the game for instance but don't think it's worth the cost. And apparently more people thought the same...
I will if I can live in Cyrodill. Wasn t fond of the pve, unless it a necessary evil. On that note, are there and AvA heavy guilds recruiting, I don t care what faction, just wanting to RvR.
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I would like to join Stone_Fountain only please dip me in oil and gas first and rub my skin raw with sandpaper and gouge my eyes out through my ears and fill my mouth up with manure until if runs out of my nose.
I am excited! I played beta and then a month or so, but quit because it was broken. Later went to ArcheAge until they broke that. AA was great, but they broke it and allowed cheaters and bots and evil peepz.
Went back to WoW and had fun just leveling by doing dungeons, but remembered it was WAY old.
Friends and rumors of TESO being fixed and better lured me back a month or so ago and it is GREAT! It works WAY better and I am having a blast. I don't know anything about 1.6 coming, but I just hope they don't re-break it. TESO is beautiful and it feels so real when I cast or hit somebody or do my professions... even though I suck at them... which might make it even more real.
It really seems like the online crowd is ramping up and getting ready for next month with no sub. It seems VERY busy. I like it because peepz are all over the world... not just waiting in cities for group finders like WoW.
It is a crazeee game and it is immersive to me!
I am SO excited... lol
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I managed to find a cheap box before they do the price hike on them. I'll be using that sub before the switch, so i'll have some bonus time with benefits. Either way, it's only until something else releases that i'll play the game. I don't buy most of the mainstream released games, because they're selling them half-finished these days.
I'm not sure if it's sad or a sign of things, but i've been playing old titles more than new ones. The next Unreal Tournament probably isn't release ready for another 2 years, so i've been playing some of the older titles.
I want to be excited about it...and then another thread here reminded me about no AH, not even a decent regional one. I remember the game pushing my character to alternate story lines of other races. That's two steps back for me.
The game is not fundamentally changing, only the community is.
I'm more excited about the removal of the veteran rank crap, which is why I didn't stay subscribed to this game in the first place. It's funny that they've been steadily making this game worth a sub just in time for them to drop the sub model. I may or may not sub again, depending on how DLC works as a subscriber going forward.
I find the guild stores work perfectly fine. It puts the power of selling and promotion in the hands of the players. You can also visit guild merchants throughout the land.
Global auction houses were the first step to ruining community. I applaud ZOS for trying something different.
You stay sassy!
Ain't that the truth. If they had simply done away with the VR nonsense right away and just left the rest of the faction as "open world max level content" I never would have dropped sub. VR was just too much.
Well, I have bad news for you both then: it ain't gone and won't be gone until sometime after June at the earliest... if it ever does go away.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
Booooo that sucks. I guess I'll just hang out with my single player RPG's for a while until they sort it out because I do like the game and want to go back.
More community ruining than dropping a subscription barrier? I guess we'll see, eh? I'm all about trying something different. Not so much about making a game a more difficult proposition of my time.