Ehem... Honestly, life is too short to be so serious about rules. ^^ I mean, in games. I play games for escapism, not to prove myself. So if the rules make it miserable... I tend to "alter the rules one-sided".
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Originally posted by Nanfoodle Everyone cheats and lies just to different degrees. Most think nothing of cheating in a game. I have even heard the most honest person I know get upset when they missed an exploit in a game.
Hardly. What would be the point of cheating in a game?
I play games to challenge myself and cheating will take away any fun from beating something hard, particularly whn I defeat another player who have the odds in his/her favor.
It is simple: people who suck and have no intention of trying to better themselves cheat.
Of course in a singleplayer game you can do anything you want but I still don't see any point of cheating there either. And considering how simple MMOs are today you must suck really hard to need to cheat.
So not even once you saw a bugged NPC, or even with messed up pathing and killed it for EXP or loot? Come on now, be honest.
EDIT: Other small cheats, 3rd part macros like a Naga mouse or gaming keyboard.
Nanfoodle, you're making some really, ridiculously inane equivalencies here.
It also seems like you're trying to defend and justify your own behavior by projecting it on others.
There is no equivalency between someone coming across and killing a random bugged mob, for however often that happens to begin with... Killing a random bugged mob is not giving you an unfair advantage over others. It's not "breaking the game". It's killing a random bugged mob, which will then respawn like normal.
That has absolutely no equivalence to someone using bots/hacks/exploits to circumvent entire chunks of gameplay, or get an unfair advantage over others who are playing legit... or someone who eBays money/items/characters to bypass playing and earning those things themselves, etc. etc.
It's amazing that you would even attempt to put those things on the same level.
So really, nanfoodle... Who are you trying to convince here. Us, or yourself?
And anyway... asserting "well everyone cheats in some way!" does not make it "okay".
I cheat in single player games, in fact, I do not buy a game these days without looking online for a godmode code first. I am not one who feels competitive or feels a need to 'challenge myself' to a game. I mostly want to see the story and ignore the combat. Skyrim as a recent example, I used godmode, and money cheats. I was able to enjoy slowly exploring and not worry of dying due to my slow reflexes. Admittedly, I am not very good with fast paced combat these days, early stages of arthritis. Mock as you like, but in these games, it effects noone else.
In MMO's, I have never cheated. I have always played the healer role, only do pve questing, and made many friends to travel with. This negated my need for such cheats, though I would not use them anyway for fear of losing my account. If godmode were a code intentionally built into an MMO however, I would use it. I don't pvp, or even raid. I am in it for the story, to explore the world they have built, and above all to roleplay.
This said, I also hate botters and goldsellers in MMO's as those are problematic type cheaters that disrupt the game. I would say the cure is for the game itself to have a gold buying service, and to make the uber shiny raid gear bind on pickup so people wont cry that they are losing their uniqueness to people with more money than time (or sense sometimes).
I cheat in single player games, in fact, I do not buy a game these days without looking online for a godmode code first. I am not one who feels competitive or feels a need to 'challenge myself' to a game. I mostly want to see the story and ignore the combat. Skyrim as a recent example, I used godmode, and money cheats. I was able to enjoy slowly exploring and not worry of dying due to my slow reflexes. Admittedly, I am not very good with fast paced combat these days, early stages of arthritis. Mock as you like, but in these games, it effects noone else.
In MMO's, I have never cheated. I have always played the healer role, only do pve questing, and made many friends to travel with. This negated my need for such cheats, though I would not use them anyway for fear of losing my account. If godmode were a code intentionally built into an MMO however, I would use it. I don't pvp, or even raid. I am in it for the story, to explore the world they have built, and above all to roleplay.
This said, I also hate botters and goldsellers in MMO's as those are problematic type cheaters that disrupt the game. I would say the cure is for the game itself to have a gold buying service, and to make the uber shiny raid gear bind on pickup so people wont cry that they are losing their uniqueness to people with more money than time (or sense sometimes).
Yeah same here. I admit, most single player games are just too hard for me.
I tend not to do godmode though, I usually just give me a headstart with better starting stats or something. It's too bad that most single player games have no really good difficulty settings. But yes, I would not cheat in MMOs.
I dont mind gold selling though, because ... free market. Let anyone sell and buy everything, I say, and let market regulate it. I don't see using your money as you desire as cheating. If I have more money, such is life. *shrug*
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
If buying gold could be considered cheating, then i'll speak from experience.
The only reason I bought gold is because I wanted to catch up to the nolifers who seemingly were sinking 12-13 hours and more DAILY and I had no chance of catching up to those. And those "hardcorers" tend to be assholes and needed to be taught a good lesson in life. Thus back in the day, i drained my parent's credit cards :P
It has nothing to do with feeling superior or watching the world burn. All I wanted was to play the endgame without getting 1-shot and trolled from a nolifer.
In that regard, I'm quite happy with where the MMO genre is! Games are more approachable and doesn't require you to nolife to achieve something. Kudos to the developers making games fun compared to terrorizing grind...
I don't have anything against gold buying, but I would not trust my credit card info to an unknown party. If the game itself offered it, then great. Currently, you have most of these bots because there is no official and allowed seller. You are paying for swarms of automated hackers to disrupt your gameplay with the current setup.
If anyone gets busted for cheating in an online game then that company should ban them using every means possible then pass the details around to all other online games so they can ban them as well..
Hopefully that way people will think twice about cheating in an online game as they might get every other game account banned as well..
If anyone gets busted for cheating in an online game then that company should ban them using every means possible then pass the details around to all other online games so they can ban them as well..
Hopefully that way people will think twice about cheating in an online game as they might get every other game account banned as well..
Cheating in game A doesn't mean I'll cheat in game B. And if im banned in game B because i cheated on game A, and they are made by different devs, then I can file a class-action lawsuit and actually win it without breaking a sweat
So yes, what you are suggesting is illegal, at least in normal countries. Breach of service for no apparent reason can and will be considered discrimination. And no EULA is going to save the developer. The EULA is not a contract. In fact, EULA has a little weight in court.
Hell, in countries like Germany there are customer protection laws which forbid banning users unless you've been spreading nazi propaganda or shit like that. There are many examples of companies being forced to unban due to German laws. It is all one google away
Lack of control over cheating has made me quit a game before and I have all the intentions to continue this way.
Basicaly the company that can convince me their game is as cheat free as possible will have my money.
It doesn't matter how much I like a multiplayer game, when I get to experience blatant cheating I am out.
And yes I am well aware no game will ever be 100% cheat free, but it is possible to get close if you spend enaugh resources on a team fighting against.
If anyone gets busted for cheating in an online game then that company should ban them using every means possible then pass the details around to all other online games so they can ban them as well..
Hopefully that way people will think twice about cheating in an online game as they might get every other game account banned as well..
One of the bigest downfalls of internet imo is the ability to save face.
I would love to crash this ugly internet bubble with a unified online identification, just like irl.
Originally posted by Nanfoodle Everyone cheats and lies just to different degrees. Most think nothing of cheating in a game. I have even heard the most honest person I know get upset when they missed an exploit in a game.
Hardly. What would be the point of cheating in a game?
I play games to challenge myself and cheating will take away any fun from beating something hard, particularly whn I defeat another player who have the odds in his/her favor.
It is simple: people who suck and have no intention of trying to better themselves cheat.
Of course in a singleplayer game you can do anything you want but I still don't see any point of cheating there either. And considering how simple MMOs are today you must suck really hard to need to cheat.
So not even once you saw a bugged NPC, or even with messed up pathing and killed it for EXP or loot? Come on now, be honest.
EDIT: Other small cheats, 3rd part macros like a Naga mouse or gaming keyboard.
Nanfoodle, you're making some really, ridiculously inane equivalencies here.
It also seems like you're trying to defend and justify your own behavior by projecting it on others.
There is no equivalency between someone coming across and killing a random bugged mob, for however often that happens to begin with... Killing a random bugged mob is not giving you an unfair advantage over others. It's not "breaking the game". It's killing a random bugged mob, which will then respawn like normal.
That has absolutely no equivalence to someone using bots/hacks/exploits to circumvent entire chunks of gameplay, or get an unfair advantage over others who are playing legit... or someone who eBays money/items/characters to bypass playing and earning those things themselves, etc. etc.
It's amazing that you would even attempt to put those things on the same level.
So really, nanfoodle... Who are you trying to convince here. Us, or yourself?
And anyway... asserting "well everyone cheats in some way!" does not make it "okay".
Make fun, but killing bugged mobs that cant fight back is cheating. Your char is gaining exp and loot on a broken system. Like I said everyone cheats. It ok, I wont judge you. My point is, why do we cheat? Everyone does its human nature. Just some people will cross every line and some have set standards. I cheat in every MMO as I use a Naga mouse and a Blackwidow Keyboard. Mind you its tame in its use. I dont do looping macros. Things like press one button to mark a NPC on my hunter and send in my pet at the same time. None the less thats a cheat =-)
Some people can only have fun if they're "winning" and some of those people also happen to be terrible at whatever it is they want to win at. So they cheat because it's the only way they're capable of competing against those who practice and win through skill.
Then there's those who excel at whatever game they're playing, but they still want to win at all costs, even if the cost is them being banned.
Why did Lance Armstrong cheat? I'm sure he was/is an excellent athlete who trained his butt off, but he still cheated. When winning is everything to a person, they justify pretty much anything to accomplish their goal.
I personally find these people sad and pathetic. They cheat and lie to everyone else, but worst of all, they lie to themselves. There's never any dignity in cheating, it negates all your efforts and any victories you may have had are all hollow.
Have some self respect. Don't cheat.
Well put and I totally agree. I think I'm cheating by just agreeing with you instead of typing out a similar reply, but in this case I'm ok with that. ;p
Generally don't do PVP, or if I do, I do it sparingly. But way back when, I was in a guild in Fallen Earth where most of the players were PVPers. And not only did most of them cheat, by using various automation utilities, they also freely admitted it in guild chat. The reasoning was that 'everyone else was cheating, so if they didn't cheat, they wouldn't stand a chance in PVP". In other words, they perceived that the culture of the game was to cheat. I couldn't convince any of them that it was a self-fulfilling prophecy -- that they, themselves, were doing nothing to change that culture of cheating, and in fact, they themselves were helping to create it. I thought it was ironic that after some PVP matches, I heard complaints in guild talk about other people cheating. How ridiculous and ironic is that? Eventually, they all got bored with the game (and frustrated that PVP wasn't being fixed fast enough) that they quit.
Using cheat codes that were built into a Nintendo game by design as an easter egg is categorically different from hacking an MMO and exploiting code that was not intended to be used that way.
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I have got to believe that hacking a MMO for some people is just another form of trolling.
I know aim bots really piss me off, and that is probably one of the main goals of cheaters. They just love trolling other players....and it works every time.....
I haven't cheated in MMO's although I have in single player games, but it's been well over a decade since the last time. I play both PC & PS3 (I'll be making the switch to PS4 soon), and with single player games I became a trophy hunter & completionist when achievements/trophies became the norm, I stopped using cheats entirely because most, if not all, games disable trophy accumulation when you use the cheats and I never needed the cheats to compensate for lack of skill in the first place, there were just times when I wanted to experience the stories & multiple endings without having to put any real effort into it
This should be obvious to anyone. Most of the console games have cheat modes built in. Many players who started gaming on the console think nothing of it. Pretty sad when you have to cheat at a game.
Why even bother playing a game if you have to cheat to compete?
the most devistating part of cheating is when developers like Funcom ignore it exists. It not only destroys the community but it empties servers because of the lack of action.
Age of COnan is a ghost town since the mergers because of the cheating, it is really ssad.
At this point I accept the fact that Funcom is one of the worst enforces of there games.
So the question was "why cheat" well to gain advantage/"win" and if you do get caught well I'm sure a week away from the game will teach you a lesson...lol. No real deterent not to. To be fair Funcom isn't the only one, if you start perm a banning everyone cheating you might not be able to pay the bills.
Originally posted by MisterZebub Why cheat? To win.
This was basically the obvious answer from the start, why this needed to be asked or written about is beyond me.
Life and games are often a competition, if you are playing to win and you believe that you can get away with it you should obviously be cheating. I know I have cheated in many things, especially school (and got away with it).
Originally posted by MisterZebub Why cheat? To win.
This was basically the obvious answer from the start, why this needed to be asked or written about is beyond me.
Life and games are often a competition, if you are playing to win and you believe that you can get away with it you should obviously be cheating. I know I have cheated in many things, especially school (and got away with it).
I play to win (not just games) but I want to do it off of merit not anything goes because I can get away with it.
Originally posted by Muntz Originally posted by HowbadisbadOriginally posted by MisterZebubWhy cheat? To win.
This was basically the obvious answer from the start, why this needed to be asked or written about is beyond me.Life and games are often a competition, if you are playing to win and you believe that you can get away with it you should obviously be cheating. I know I have cheated in many things, especially school (and got away with it).I play to win (not just games) but I want to do it off of merit not anything goes because I can get away with it.
Well if you are choosing the hard way when you know you could pick the easy way and get away with it then you really aren't playing to win now are you?
Originally posted by MisterZebubWhy cheat? To win.
This was basically the obvious answer from the start, why this needed to be asked or written about is beyond me.Life and games are often a competition, if you are playing to win and you believe that you can get away with it you should obviously be cheating. I know I have cheated in many things, especially school (and got away with it).
I play to win (not just games) but I want to do it off of merit not anything goes because I can get away with it.
Well if you are choosing the hard way when you know you could pick the easy way and get away with it then you really aren't playing to win now are you?
I am I'm just choosing a different way one that I get more enjoyment out of.
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People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
Nanfoodle, you're making some really, ridiculously inane equivalencies here.
It also seems like you're trying to defend and justify your own behavior by projecting it on others.
There is no equivalency between someone coming across and killing a random bugged mob, for however often that happens to begin with... Killing a random bugged mob is not giving you an unfair advantage over others. It's not "breaking the game". It's killing a random bugged mob, which will then respawn like normal.
That has absolutely no equivalence to someone using bots/hacks/exploits to circumvent entire chunks of gameplay, or get an unfair advantage over others who are playing legit... or someone who eBays money/items/characters to bypass playing and earning those things themselves, etc. etc.
It's amazing that you would even attempt to put those things on the same level.
So really, nanfoodle... Who are you trying to convince here. Us, or yourself?
And anyway... asserting "well everyone cheats in some way!" does not make it "okay".
I cheat in single player games, in fact, I do not buy a game these days without looking online for a godmode code first. I am not one who feels competitive or feels a need to 'challenge myself' to a game. I mostly want to see the story and ignore the combat. Skyrim as a recent example, I used godmode, and money cheats. I was able to enjoy slowly exploring and not worry of dying due to my slow reflexes. Admittedly, I am not very good with fast paced combat these days, early stages of arthritis. Mock as you like, but in these games, it effects noone else.
In MMO's, I have never cheated. I have always played the healer role, only do pve questing, and made many friends to travel with. This negated my need for such cheats, though I would not use them anyway for fear of losing my account. If godmode were a code intentionally built into an MMO however, I would use it. I don't pvp, or even raid. I am in it for the story, to explore the world they have built, and above all to roleplay.
This said, I also hate botters and goldsellers in MMO's as those are problematic type cheaters that disrupt the game. I would say the cure is for the game itself to have a gold buying service, and to make the uber shiny raid gear bind on pickup so people wont cry that they are losing their uniqueness to people with more money than time (or sense sometimes).
Yeah same here. I admit, most single player games are just too hard for me.
I tend not to do godmode though, I usually just give me a headstart with better starting stats or something. It's too bad that most single player games have no really good difficulty settings. But yes, I would not cheat in MMOs.
I dont mind gold selling though, because ... free market. Let anyone sell and buy everything, I say, and let market regulate it. I don't see using your money as you desire as cheating. If I have more money, such is life. *shrug*
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
If buying gold could be considered cheating, then i'll speak from experience.
The only reason I bought gold is because I wanted to catch up to the nolifers who seemingly were sinking 12-13 hours and more DAILY and I had no chance of catching up to those. And those "hardcorers" tend to be assholes and needed to be taught a good lesson in life. Thus back in the day, i drained my parent's credit cards :P
It has nothing to do with feeling superior or watching the world burn. All I wanted was to play the endgame without getting 1-shot and trolled from a nolifer.
In that regard, I'm quite happy with where the MMO genre is! Games are more approachable and doesn't require you to nolife to achieve something. Kudos to the developers making games fun compared to terrorizing grind...
If anyone gets busted for cheating in an online game then that company should ban them using every means possible then pass the details around to all other online games so they can ban them as well..
Hopefully that way people will think twice about cheating in an online game as they might get every other game account banned as well..
Cheating in game A doesn't mean I'll cheat in game B. And if im banned in game B because i cheated on game A, and they are made by different devs, then I can file a class-action lawsuit and actually win it without breaking a sweat
So yes, what you are suggesting is illegal, at least in normal countries. Breach of service for no apparent reason can and will be considered discrimination. And no EULA is going to save the developer. The EULA is not a contract. In fact, EULA has a little weight in court.
Hell, in countries like Germany there are customer protection laws which forbid banning users unless you've been spreading nazi propaganda or shit like that. There are many examples of companies being forced to unban due to German laws. It is all one google away
Lack of control over cheating has made me quit a game before and I have all the intentions to continue this way.
Basicaly the company that can convince me their game is as cheat free as possible will have my money.
It doesn't matter how much I like a multiplayer game, when I get to experience blatant cheating I am out.
And yes I am well aware no game will ever be 100% cheat free, but it is possible to get close if you spend enaugh resources on a team fighting against.
One of the bigest downfalls of internet imo is the ability to save face.
I would love to crash this ugly internet bubble with a unified online identification, just like irl.
Make fun, but killing bugged mobs that cant fight back is cheating. Your char is gaining exp and loot on a broken system. Like I said everyone cheats. It ok, I wont judge you. My point is, why do we cheat? Everyone does its human nature. Just some people will cross every line and some have set standards. I cheat in every MMO as I use a Naga mouse and a Blackwidow Keyboard. Mind you its tame in its use. I dont do looping macros. Things like press one button to mark a NPC on my hunter and send in my pet at the same time. None the less thats a cheat =-)
Well put and I totally agree. I think I'm cheating by just agreeing with you instead of typing out a similar reply, but in this case I'm ok with that. ;p
Generally don't do PVP, or if I do, I do it sparingly. But way back when, I was in a guild in Fallen Earth where most of the players were PVPers. And not only did most of them cheat, by using various automation utilities, they also freely admitted it in guild chat. The reasoning was that 'everyone else was cheating, so if they didn't cheat, they wouldn't stand a chance in PVP". In other words, they perceived that the culture of the game was to cheat. I couldn't convince any of them that it was a self-fulfilling prophecy -- that they, themselves, were doing nothing to change that culture of cheating, and in fact, they themselves were helping to create it. I thought it was ironic that after some PVP matches, I heard complaints in guild talk about other people cheating. How ridiculous and ironic is that? Eventually, they all got bored with the game (and frustrated that PVP wasn't being fixed fast enough) that they quit.
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Have flask; will travel.
I have got to believe that hacking a MMO for some people is just another form of trolling.
I know aim bots really piss me off, and that is probably one of the main goals of cheaters. They just love trolling other players....and it works every time.....
My 2 cents :
Do people who cheat in games.....NOT CHEAT in other parts of their lives ?
WHY CHEAT ? because some people have flawed personal character.
This should be obvious to anyone. Most of the console games have cheat modes built in. Many players who started gaming on the console think nothing of it. Pretty sad when you have to cheat at a game.
Why even bother playing a game if you have to cheat to compete?
At this point I accept the fact that Funcom is one of the worst enforces of there games.
So the question was "why cheat" well to gain advantage/"win" and if you do get caught well I'm sure a week away from the game will teach you a lesson...lol. No real deterent not to. To be fair Funcom isn't the only one, if you start perm a banning everyone cheating you might not be able to pay the bills.
This was basically the obvious answer from the start, why this needed to be asked or written about is beyond me.
Life and games are often a competition, if you are playing to win and you believe that you can get away with it you should obviously be cheating. I know I have cheated in many things, especially school (and got away with it).
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I play to win (not just games) but I want to do it off of merit not anything goes because I can get away with it.
I play to win (not just games) but I want to do it off of merit not anything goes because I can get away with it.
Well if you are choosing the hard way when you know you could pick the easy way and get away with it then you really aren't playing to win now are you?
Waiting for:
The Repopulation
Albion Online
I am I'm just choosing a different way one that I get more enjoyment out of.