I agree with the sentiment that WoW should go to a F2P/B2P tiered model system. I'd start playing again ... probably ... & input some financial support from time to time. WoW was always a good game, probably still is, but it's just not worth the investment now & the grind of trying to play catch-up. Now they're getting 0 from me & it's been that way for the last few years. Whenever I get my WoW itch now I just replay the free version up to level 20 & that's sufficient. It's a fun good free trial, but lacks in offering in any real incentive to rejoin the real WoW & re-subscribe. I think over the last couple of years Blizzard probably became a bit complacent about WoW ... it happens in all facets of life.
I agree with the sentiment that WoW should go to a F2P/B2P tiered model system. I'd start playing again ... probably ... & input some financial support from time to time. WoW was always a good game, probably still is, but it's just not worth the investment now & the grind of trying to play catch-up. Now they're getting 0 from me & it's been that way for the last few years. Whenever I get my WoW itch now I just replay the free version up to level 20 & that's sufficient. It's a fun good free trial, but lacks in offering in any real incentive to rejoin the real WoW & re-subscribe. I think over the last couple of years Blizzard probably became a bit complacent about WoW ... it happens in all facets of life.
Ok first if video game discussion get you so emotional you cant comprehend what you read just stop posting. I said Lineage=L1 made 1.5 billion oh sorry off by a few million. So on average that's 120,000,000. So in 2013 Swtor did 165,000,000 in revenue.
Ive notice you suck at math and get extremely emotional in these forums so I will help you.
165,000,000 > 120,000,000
BTW
> equals greater than.
Fact you are an emotional desperate bitter vet.
Glad I could come back and report for you....now please settle down maybe go for a walk and when you return read it really really slow you may have a better chance to comprehend it.
Again nobody here talks about l1 or l2 I was referring to the games people talk about here like EQ and Swg. Now if you want to talk l1 or l2 I'm sure there are some Korean sites that won't make you such an emotional wreck I recommend you check them out.
So again based on what I was talking about my facts hold up...go cry somewhere else.
The 165 million for SWTOR was an estimate - not a fact provided by EA - of the gross sales that SWTOR made at release. Essentially box sales (2.1M then 2.4M reported by EA) x $65 say. And out of that gross revenue sales tax will have been deducted and retailers (Wal-Mart, Amazon etc.) will have taken a big cut. Basically not the money that EA got so not comparing like with like (NCSoft's numbers are what NCSoft got). All we know (EA told us) is that SWTOR didn't meet their financial projections; and beyond that we have no idea - although EA last year said their f2p revenue would have been higher but for a decline of $60M driven primarily by SWTOR and SimCity. (So it must have been decent the year before). SWTOR seems to be doing "OK" however but that is an imo not a fact.
L1's revenue numbers are factual as formally reported by NCSoft. . Whether you talk about average numbers or annual numbers L1 is huge. Hasn't historically been "WoW big" but - "today" - there is an outside chance that L1's Q3's revenue or maybe Q4's could be greater than WoW's. Wasn't in Q2 but with WoW in decline and L1 growing it could happen. Something I feel sure that won't be lost on Activision Blizzard (informed opinion not fact).
If Activision were to change WoW's model my guess would be scrap the sub just before the expansion - or maybe with the expansion or possibly just throw in a 6 month "sub" for people who buy Legion. What they won't want is 100M all trying to log in at once - chaos; WS was a recent example. So I think they would gate any change somehow.
5.6 millions still a lots , they only need to worry if it drop below 1 million .
The 10 mill of subs. Now 5.6, is pretty much a marketing thing. The number include the asian market and the subs system there is a bit tricky. The real question here is ¨how many subs WoW have on the western market¨?
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The real question is how low do subs have to drop to before Blizzard stops reporting the figure?
Blizzard also report WoW's net revenue - pretty sure they have to under SEC regulations as it is a significant income generator. The way things have been going however this could soon no longer be the case. We will know in just a few weeks.
This could be the trigger to switching to non-specific numbers e.g. between 3 and 4M. And then 6 months or so later drop the number entirely. And as a result of tokens the link between subs and revenue will be even more tenuous. Could be soon!
At this time there is nothing Blizzard could do about it. Even if the game would get a total revamp. And even if there was a golden formula to counter the sub losses, they wouldn't be able to pull it off.
It's what they had coming for their ignorance, greed and attitude throughout the years and now they get it in quarterly doses.
I love to see all this.
And to all the "ROFL 5.6mio x 15$ month still is bla bla bla" folks: about time to research some facts, Blizzard isn't remotely raking in 5.6mio x 15 per month. And even these 5.6 mio are doubtable, as their numbers have always been polished and inflated.
SO, Show me another MMO that is over 10 years old with even 4 million subscribers.... I'm waiting....
There is none. Not only that but isn't WoW moving to other sources of revenue besides the subscription? I mean they can't even count China in subscription numbers because of how they market the game there.
Yes there are players that have lost interest in the game and have moved on to other MMOs, I have myself, but WoW is still a strong MMO and especially for it being over 10 years old.
Most games hold a less than 1% share of the mmorpg market. To be blunt about 99% of the games we talk about are not even a factor. At least WoW can boast a 5% share last I checked. Most of the games that dominate the market unfortunately never get talked about on this site.
i forgot, how many subscribers do your games have again? bc if i do the math, that's 5.6 million x 13 euro... 72,8 million euro per month.
well i could kinda live with that i guess
fyi: no need to guess. AB report quarterly net revenue for WoW from all sources: subs, sales, cash shop, royalties. Which makes it easy. And given that people in the US pay in dollars, people in China, Malaysia etc. pay Blizzard nothing (yep nothing - Blizzard get a royalty based on whatever deal they struck) and so on if they didn't well then we would have to guess.
It was inevitable that it would decline. Why people are crowing about it is beyond me. It will be around for a long time. Can we have just one thread titled 'Latest WoW numbers'
It's what they had coming for their ignorance, greed and attitude throughout the years and now they get it in quarterly doses.
There's a whole lot of developers who would love to have Blizzard's "problems."
Most successful MMO of all time and a cultural phenomenon that still has 5.6 million subscribers over a decade later. Those bastards had it coming!
Someone fails to see the bigger picture.
The bigger picture? You mean the one where a game that has been out for over ten years is still one of the most popular and successful MMO's in the world? Maybe I'm blind to the truth. Show me the way prophet of doom.
It's what they had coming for their ignorance, greed and attitude throughout the years and now they get it in quarterly doses.
There's a whole lot of developers who would love to have Blizzard's "problems."
Most successful MMO of all time and a cultural phenomenon that still has 5.6 million subscribers over a decade later. Those bastards had it coming!
Someone fails to see the bigger picture.
The bigger picture? You mean the one where a game that has been out for over ten years is still one of the most popular and successful MMO's in the world? Maybe I'm blind to the truth. Show me the way prophet of doom.
And that's precisely what he's talking about when he says "someone fails to see the bigger picture".
It's clear Blizzard have WoW on maintenance mode now rather than investing any of their serious income streams into it - they know they can milk the paying customers who will remain in sufficient numbers to keep it all going.
Blizzard have always released polished games so clearly, they can hire and keep the top talent - because of that, I'd love to see them really push the boat out and build and release a game to beat all games i.e. a 2015+ era game that knocks spots off everything else - I reckon they have the talent, but do they have the balls?
It's clear Blizzard have WoW on maintenance mode now rather than investing any of their serious income streams into it - they know they can milk the paying customers who will remain in sufficient numbers to keep it all going.
Blizzard have always released polished games so clearly, they can hire and keep the top talent - because of that, I'd love to see them really push the boat out and build and release a game to beat all games i.e. a 2015+ era game that knows spots off everything else - I reckon they have the talent, but do they have the balls?
Haha except one small FACT...
They have said Legion will be their largest XPAC yet. That doesn't sound like "maintenance mode" nice try
It's clear Blizzard have WoW on maintenance mode...
Haha except one small FACT...
They have said Legion will be their largest XPAC yet. That doesn't sound like "maintenance mode" nice try
WoW haters are so fun...
Biggest How? If Everquest next expansion has more (empty) space than any previous expansion, would it mean that EQ is no longer in decline? It's in the decline cycle of it's product life, it happens to every product out there. No reason to get worked up about it. Here's a quick reference for you: http://www.quickmba.com/marketing/product/lifecycle/
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L1's revenue numbers are factual as formally reported by NCSoft. . Whether you talk about average numbers or annual numbers L1 is huge. Hasn't historically been "WoW big" but - "today" - there is an outside chance that L1's Q3's revenue or maybe Q4's could be greater than WoW's. Wasn't in Q2 but with WoW in decline and L1 growing it could happen. Something I feel sure that won't be lost on Activision Blizzard (informed opinion not fact).
If Activision were to change WoW's model my guess would be scrap the sub just before the expansion - or maybe with the expansion or possibly just throw in a 6 month "sub" for people who buy Legion. What they won't want is 100M all trying to log in at once - chaos; WS was a recent example. So I think they would gate any change somehow.
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This could be the trigger to switching to non-specific numbers e.g. between 3 and 4M. And then 6 months or so later drop the number entirely. And as a result of tokens the link between subs and revenue will be even more tenuous. Could be soon!
And even if there was a golden formula to counter the sub losses, they wouldn't be able to pull it off.
It's what they had coming for their ignorance, greed and attitude throughout the years and now they get it in quarterly doses.
I love to see all this.
And to all the "ROFL 5.6mio x 15$ month still is bla bla bla" folks: about time to research some facts, Blizzard isn't remotely raking in 5.6mio x 15 per month.
And even these 5.6 mio are doubtable, as their numbers have always been polished and inflated.
bc if i do the math, that's 5.6 million x 13 euro... 72,8 million euro per month.
well i could kinda live with that i guess
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There is none. Not only that but isn't WoW moving to other sources of revenue besides the subscription? I mean they can't even count China in subscription numbers because of how they market the game there.
Yes there are players that have lost interest in the game and have moved on to other MMOs, I have myself, but WoW is still a strong MMO and especially for it being over 10 years old.
There's a whole lot of developers who would love to have Blizzard's "problems."
Most successful MMO of all time and a cultural phenomenon that still has 5.6 million subscribers over a decade later. Those bastards had it coming!
fyi: no need to guess. AB report quarterly net revenue for WoW from all sources: subs, sales, cash shop, royalties. Which makes it easy. And given that people in the US pay in dollars, people in China, Malaysia etc. pay Blizzard nothing (yep nothing - Blizzard get a royalty based on whatever deal they struck) and so on if they didn't well then we would have to guess.
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sandbox is on the way out, if you give the new generation of gamers that much freedom, they will use it
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judging an entire market by the performance of a small part of it is not a good idea either
that would be like evaluating religion by the actions of ISIS
Blizzard have always released polished games so clearly, they can hire and keep the top talent - because of that, I'd love to see them really push the boat out and build and release a game to beat all games i.e. a 2015+ era game that knocks spots off everything else - I reckon they have the talent, but do they have the balls?
They have said Legion will be their largest XPAC yet. That doesn't sound like "maintenance mode" nice try
WoW haters are so fun...