Yeah its the sad reality of MMORPGs. I wouldn't really blame the guild, just certain people. As was said before, there are a lot of people that like to use guilds for benefits or w/e they can get for free, like those nagging people who instantly ask "can I have money?" the second they enter. So people tend to build 0 tolerance when anyone ask anything and is relatively new. Also have to take into account the person's day, possible schedule, mood, etc. Not everyone is a complete arse to be an arse and can depend on the day.
New joins asking for money is the worst.
But, I think the cool kid core group forgets that there is content outside of raids that requires grouping. I'll always go to help, but it sucks when nobody else comes. then you have 2 people standing around for hours begging in chat for help instead of just 1.
And these people or myself, don't need our hands held or are needy. There are things that require a group outside of raids. I could give a shit about raids, but I'll go when they tell me to, I expect the same.
Yeah its the sad reality of MMORPGs. I wouldn't really blame the guild, just certain people. As was said before, there are a lot of people that like to use guilds for benefits or w/e they can get for free, like those nagging people who instantly ask "can I have money?" the second they enter. So people tend to build 0 tolerance when anyone ask anything and is relatively new. Also have to take into account the person's day, possible schedule, mood, etc. Not everyone is a complete arse to be an arse and can depend on the day.
I ran a guild in a few different games. Myself and most of my officers would help with any content when we could. Unfortunately some people think that you should be available to them the entire time they are on and not do anything you might need. You can't please everyone. And for those who ask for money as soon as they join, well we would show them the door. It is not cool to do that. It is also expected that when you join, being you are the low person on the ranks, you will be one of those helping out when you can before you start asking for help. You want people in the guild to respect you and help you then you need to earn that respect. It doesn't automatically happen as soon as you join.
I ran a guild in a few different games. Myself and most of my officers would help with any content when we could. Unfortunately some people think that you should be available to them the entire time they are on and not do anything you might need. You can't please everyone. And for those who ask for money as soon as they join, well we would show them the door. It is not cool to do that. It is also expected that when you join, being you are the low person on the ranks, you will be one of those helping out when you can before you start asking for help. You want people in the guild to respect you and help you then you need to earn that respect. It doesn't automatically happen as soon as you join.
Many guilds are as the OP describes, but I somehow doubt it makes up the majority of guilds. I've had probably just as many bad and good guilds, but only a handful of great ones in my 15 years or so playing MMO's, and there will always be cliques with people who do shit together more, but more often than not, they aren't going to strictly only group up or talk with these people. Regardless of whether cliques are there, there's just an inherently larger chance that people in general aren't going to want to help you because what you want is out of their way, and they don't wanna lose time on their own progression, especially if they have a limited play time.
I generally just go into guilds nowadays and talk here and there, but never ask for anything, or give a lot of help in return. I just ask in guild chat to find people that are doing the same content as me on occasion and ask if they wanna do it together or not. Not really bad, not really good, no big deal.
I don't even say hello, I just enter conversations from the shadows.
I ran a guild for 16 years , it was great but then people guld hop alot, after helping and using the guild....This is why alot of the good guilds retired they get tired of the users...... so you only have your self to blame for the guild hopping and bad guilds today...It was never this way 5 years ago as much , 10 not at all.. People today are all about them selves, so your fault, not the guilds.. Yes there are bad ones, but people screw the good ones over, we always ran guild stuff every day... and people still leave whine... I had people stay for 16 years of course... but those others do ruin it.
Guild hopping and the user mentality is only a symptom of a (the) bigger problem. That problem being that MMOs are designed around the individual and not groups or guilds. Accountability has gone the way of the dodo when mega cross server sharded lobby design became more important than players having to interact with others and succeed on their personal reputation and merit.
I generally just go into guilds nowadays and talk here and there, but never ask for anything, or give a lot of help in return. I just ask in guild chat to find people that are doing the same content as me on occasion and ask if they wanna do it together or not. Not really bad, not really good, no big deal.
Everytime somebody asks what others are doing in guild chat 4-5 people log out instantly. lol
Yeah its the sad reality of MMORPGs. I wouldn't really blame the guild, just certain people. As was said before, there are a lot of people that like to use guilds for benefits or w/e they can get for free, like those nagging people who instantly ask "can I have money?" the second they enter. So people tend to build 0 tolerance when anyone ask anything and is relatively new. Also have to take into account the person's day, possible schedule, mood, etc. Not everyone is a complete arse to be an arse and can depend on the day.
I ran a guild in a few different games. Myself and most of my officers would help with any content when we could. Unfortunately some people think that you should be available to them the entire time they are on and not do anything you might need. You can't please everyone. And for those who ask for money as soon as they join, well we would show them the door. It is not cool to do that. It is also expected that when you join, being you are the low person on the ranks, you will be one of those helping out when you can before you start asking for help. You want people in the guild to respect you and help you then you need to earn that respect. It doesn't automatically happen as soon as you join.
Very true statement. Most guilds I've joined that I actually cared about had some form of hierarchy, so you had to put in time to earn your place so to speak. There are those that just take initiative and just ask around privately if they want things done so it doesn't put anyone on the spot. There was one guy that I had in a guild not long ago that would do this and was pretty popular with everyone because of it. He would even go out of his way to schedule times for people that might've missed stuff, so it just comes down to what type of person the player is. Guilds CAN be helpful in getting stuff done, but just because they dont always do stuff with/for you doesn't mean they still can't help with advice or knowing other people who do stuff that you might need. A lot of times people like to just ask and ask for help in guilds, but honestly if people just took it to whispers/tells they might get more help. Its all in how you approach things really.
Community is every bit as important in an MMO as gameplay is, and that is lost on today's crowd.
If it is "lost on today's crowd", obviously it cannot be important to MMOs anymore.
Basically, you are saying "players don't care about community in MMOs, and hence MMOs don't foster community" .. duh!
Well aren't you a smart one. If you really had an ounce of critical thinking you would be able to induce that I am saying yes, the MMO crowd has changed since WoW welcomed all of you "I want it now" kids into the genre. Thanks for proving me right. There are still plenty of us who rather have the old way, you can have your "duh" back now.
im only member of guilds in wow n tht cause i wus invited by thm theyr mostly dead now but tht suits me fine since i dun play wow tht much n it keeps th recruiters at bay as well even seen guilds demandin gold fer membership but its been awhile now so dunno if its still so for some.
. There are still plenty of us who rather have the old way
Obvious not enough of you. Otherwise, this thread won't exist.
We know how you feel. Doesn't mean you belong.
Belong to what? I certainly don't belong to any guild (fat chance of that happening).
But seriously ... is there a lot of complaints about guilds & "community" here? And if there are enough people adhere to the "old way" .. why is that happening?
I have yet to be in a guild where guild mates log on and ask themselves, "now before I go adventuring, has Amathe been getting help lately? Does she have what she needs?"
That's just not how the world works 99.9% of the time. When you log on, do you go down the roster and worry about how many of the other guild members have been needing help?
If you want help, help other people and hope for reciprocity. Failing that, ask nicely, and without expecting help that very second. If you find you are helping others and getting no help in return, even after asking nicely, tell a guild officer. And if that fails, find another guild. Or make a better guild.
You can also use your games LFG tool, or build a network of friends outside the guild.
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But, I think the cool kid core group forgets that there is content outside of raids that requires grouping. I'll always go to help, but it sucks when nobody else comes. then you have 2 people standing around for hours begging in chat for help instead of just 1.
And these people or myself, don't need our hands held or are needy. There are things that require a group outside of raids. I could give a shit about raids, but I'll go when they tell me to, I expect the same.
I generally just go into guilds nowadays and talk here and there, but never ask for anything, or give a lot of help in return. I just ask in guild chat to find people that are doing the same content as me on occasion and ask if they wanna do it together or not. Not really bad, not really good, no big deal.
I don't even say hello, I just enter conversations from the shadows.
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even seen guilds demandin gold fer membership but its been awhile now so dunno if its still so for some.
But seriously ... is there a lot of complaints about guilds & "community" here? And if there are enough people adhere to the "old way" .. why is that happening?
That's just not how the world works 99.9% of the time. When you log on, do you go down the roster and worry about how many of the other guild members have been needing help?
If you want help, help other people and hope for reciprocity. Failing that, ask nicely, and without expecting help that very second. If you find you are helping others and getting no help in return, even after asking nicely, tell a guild officer. And if that fails, find another guild. Or make a better guild.
You can also use your games LFG tool, or build a network of friends outside the guild.
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