I'm Predicting A Video Game Crash For One Simple Reason

fodell54 · November 2015

Horusra said:

Charlie.Cheswick said:

Lulzapalooza! This thread is hilarious!

I had to suffer so you should suffer? I lived a tortured youth so you should too?

It's dog eat dog out there. Everyone for themselves!

I just saw a pedestrian get hit by a car. You know what I did? I rolled down my window & told him "That's what you get!" Stupid person probably thought he was entitled to some help but screw that guy. Better him than me.

Devide & conquer. You've all been defeated by greed. Lol. Everyone knows that wages are stagnant & the middle class is disappearing & the best you can do is tell the coming generation to suck it up & eat shiz. Haha! They're right you know. If you all hadn't settled for bare boned mediocrity and less than what we're worth, they wouldn't have so much work ahead of them. I've done pretty well for myself exploiting you greedy cowards. Works everytime. Give a guy a 3% increase & watch him sell out his fellow man.

Priceless.

So, anyway, bumping for the lulz.

We are defeated? You offer nothing of value. You jump to a stupid analogy about someone hit by a car. As if the OP is a victim of some other person. He is instead a person drowning in 2 feet of water cause he wants someone else to pick him up. The new generation does need to suck it up and do what needs to be done. If there are 10 million widget makers do not be surprised when you major in widgets you can not find a job.

Here is one person that doesn't understand sarcasm. Congrats

NorseGod · November 2015

Razeekster said:

My generation is broke and underpaid.

I'm 22, working at Dunkin Donuts for the measly wage of $7.50 an hour. I'm working with people with freaking 4+ years of college around my age (20-25) who can't get work in their fields, and so they're working at bloody Dunkin Donuts for $7.50 an hour (a lot of them with kids too, paying off college debts). I JUST am finally getting internet in my apartment after almost 4 months.

The bottom line is that most of my generation cannot afford $60 games, and when we're up to bat (so to speak) we will not be able to afford to keep the game industry alive unless wages have been raised.

It's really too bad, but the world has turned into a place of rampant greed and the rot is now bleeding into video games too.

I own my business. Let me extend a few observations. First, rampant greed is a liberal myth. You can only rely on yourself, not what "Dale" the silver-ponytailed, Women's Studies professor taught you.

1. Nobody finds younger people dependable or worth the cost of hiring them.
2. Being told you are a winner and special all your life, was a lie. You are not.
3. Older people with way more experience make crap pay working crap jobs because they lost their careers.
4. Your $100,000 degree in Woman's Studies or any other Liberal Arts major, is worthless. Get a refund.
5. Be humbled and grateful if you get hired anywhere. Perform like a rock star even if you're not doing what you want to be doing. It counts.
6. Small business owners in the community know each other. Your "temporary boss" probably knows the owner of the place that you applied at.
7. Wear a suit and tie like a man. A nice one, not those stupid hipster skinny pants that don't cover your socks while standing.
8. Be prepared. Notepad and pen. If you ask for a pen (even from the receptionist), you're not getting hired.
9. Be honest. If you were a scumbag years ago, be upfront. If you think you need additional training but really interested in the job, say so.
10. Use spellchecker on your resume. (lol, or don't. I like reading both kinds.)
11. Go to many interviews, even if you don't plan to take that job. Be honest with yourself on what went wrong and what went well. Tweek it. Apply it during the next one.
12. Expecting a job with no experience, but a college degree (so what?), doesn't give you the right to the top pay scale and will get you laughed out of the building.
13. I wouldn't whine about corporate greed during an interview. I'll shred your resume the second you walk out my door.

gurugeorge · November 2015

Razeekster said:

MrMelGibson said:

Razeekster said:

GetGowens said:

There's a reason minimum wage is a thing though. While I believe everyone should get a living wage, unskilled labor like your job doesn't really warrant more than minimum wage, as that work is usually designed for teenagers in high school and college. So I don't think that people doing unskilled labor will crash video games.

This kind of thinking disgusts me.

My job is not anymore "easier" or less stressful than other jobs.

Do you realize I literally have to memorize a book of new products, prices and deals, sometimes while working on a 6-8 hour shift with only a 15 minute break... Last time I literally scanned it during break and speedily tried to memorize all I could for the next day.

Also, you need to do research on the job landscape. Less and less teenagers have those "normal teenager jobs." They are going to 20+ year olds because the job market sucks and adults actually need those jobs.

I also deal with a range of rude people who think that because I serve coffee I deserve to be treated like crap. I come home sometimes so tired and my feet hurting because I often do double shifts just to get by, and end up passing out without even bothering to get myself a meal.

Why do I deserve to be paid less because someone like you deems my job "less important?" It is YOUR choice to go to college so you can qualify for a job that is of your choosing. Not everyone wants that for their life though. In fact, I actually enjoy my job, despite the low wage.

Even with the not nice people you meet a lot of nice people and interesting characters.

I thought you had some good points intill you said this. This is pretty pretentious. You are telling me your coffee job is as stressful as a surgeon, soldier, policeman, engineer, lawyer, executive..... the list goes on. You really shouldn't of said this. The only reason you may believe this is because you've never had a real stressful job. I worked at a fast food joint in high school. While I agree it's not an easy job and you do bust your ass at times. It was a day camp in comparison to the military or my career after getting out.

People choose to go to college to get a higher wage. People who don't have low paying jobs. This isn't new to your generation. What is new to your generation is the uncanny level of entitlement and expected hand outs.

No, you are correct there are more stressful jobs but I will say my job is no less important than someone else's.

If you say this, you don't understand economics. It's not a question of whether your job is "important" in some sense - any and every job is important in some sense.

The reason you are paid less is because it's easy for an employer to find someone else who can do your job - IOW, even if you are doing your job well, you are somewhat redundant, in the strict sense, because there are more available people who can do just as good a job.

Whereas, a doctor, lawyer, businessman, etc. (again, provided they're doing their jobs well), is less redundant, more irreplaceable, therefore more valuable.

There are less people capable of doing (say) a doctor's job, or successfully running a business, than there are people capable of doing your kind of job, and because there are less of them, they are relatively more valuable (in one sense, to whoever's employing them, in another sense, to society as a whole).

People really misunderstand value, and therefore they misunderstand wages, costs, etc. Value is always relative, comparative in relation to alternatives, never absolute - and actually never objective either. What's objective is prices, but value per se is entirely subjective - it's a punt based on an estimate and ranking of probabilities and preferences. The objective prices we see (including the price of a given type of labour) are the precipitate of millions of parallel decisions of this kind, going on all over the world, all the time.

The complete picture is:- your job is a role, the employer hopes to attract you into that role by paying you the precise equal in terms of money, of the contribution (from his point of view, his projection, his punt) that role, well performed, would make to the final product or service. If he pays too much, then he's wasting money that could be spent on other things that would make more impact on the final value of the product, if too little, then he doesn't attract you, so he has to find the sweet spot. But of course that sweet spot is influenced by the aforementioned redundancy - by how many other people are competing with you to fulfil that role. It's also influenced by how many businesses are competing to provide a similar product or service (and also trying to attract people to fulfil productive roles for the creation of those products or services).

Why does the employer get paid more than you? For the same reason as aforesaid: like being a doctor or a lawyer, running a business is harder and and more challenging TO GET RIGHT (i.e. to fulfil the role properly) than restaurant or cafe service, and to a large extent self-steering (requiring self-motivation, not being run by someone else's clock), and the businessperson's skills are rarer than yours. If the businessperson doesn't feel they're getting a decent return commensurate with the non-redundancy of their own contribution to the final value of the product, or the existence and success of the enterprise, then they won't bother, and there's no job for anyone.

Obviously, their own return for their own efforts sits alongside yours in their calculations. If they pay themselves too much, they're wasting money and to some extent making it more likely the enterprise won't succeed; if they pay themselves too little, why should they bother?

This sort of knowledge and understanding should be basic in society, yet we raise kids completely blind to these obvious realities.

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Re. the OP, there's something to your argument, and it's part of the reason why "free" to play games that can be played in short sessions have become more and more popular. But the general trend isn't in that direction: although there are fluctuations, people generally are getting slightly richer all the time, so it's unlikely that games will crash - partly, indeed, because they're still one of the cheapest forms of entertainment (per value to consumers), so even if the economy downturns, they'll be one of the last forms of entertainment to disappear.

Charlie.Cheswick · November 2015

14. Be prepaired to eat from a dog dish on command & all mistakes will be documented, even the slightest so that when the time comes that I feel like getting rid of you, your termination will already be underway.

BruceYee · November 2015

NorseGod said:

Razeekster said:

My generation is broke and underpaid.

I'm 22, working at Dunkin Donuts for the measly wage of $7.50 an hour. I'm working with people with freaking 4+ years of college around my age (20-25) who can't get work in their fields, and so they're working at bloody Dunkin Donuts for $7.50 an hour (a lot of them with kids too, paying off college debts). I JUST am finally getting internet in my apartment after almost 4 months.

The bottom line is that most of my generation cannot afford $60 games, and when we're up to bat (so to speak) we will not be able to afford to keep the game industry alive unless wages have been raised.

It's really too bad, but the world has turned into a place of rampant greed and the rot is now bleeding into video games too.

I own my business. Let me extend a few observations. First, rampant greed is a liberal myth. You can only rely on yourself, not what "Dale" the silver-ponytailed, Women's Studies professor taught you.

1. Nobody finds younger people dependable or worth the cost of hiring them.
2. Being told you are a winner and special all your life, was a lie. You are not.
3. Older people with way more experience make crap pay working crap jobs because they lost their careers.
4. Your $100,000 degree in Woman's Studies or any other Liberal Arts major, is worthless. Get a refund.
5. Be humbled and grateful if you get hired anywhere. Perform like a rock star even if you're not doing what you want to be doing. It counts.
6. Small business owners in the community know each other. Your "temporary boss" probably knows the owner of the place that you applied at.
7. Wear a suit and tie like a man. A nice one, not those stupid hipster skinny pants that don't cover your socks while standing.
8. Be prepared. Notepad and pen. If you ask for a pen (even from the receptionist), you're not getting hired.
9. Be honest. If you were a scumbag years ago, be upfront. If you think you need additional training but really interested in the job, say so.
10. Use spellchecker on your resume. (lol, or don't. I like reading both kinds.)
11. Go to many interviews, even if you don't plan to take that job. Be honest with yourself on what went wrong and what went well. Tweek it. Apply it during the next one.
12. Expecting a job with no experience, but a college degree (so what?), doesn't give you the right to the top pay scale and will get you laughed out of the building.
13. I wouldn't whine about corporate greed during an interview. I'll shred your resume the second you walk out my door.

I'm not gonna read through the 8 pages of replies in this thread but I'm pretty sure this post I quoted is the only one you need to read OP.

NorseGod · November 2015

Charlie.Cheswick said:

14. Be prepaired to eat from a dog dish on command & all mistakes will be documented, even the slightest so that when the time comes that I feel like getting rid of you, your termination will already be underway.

Now you're learning! Now that you know, you should have no excuse.

Hey, do you know why that is even done?

1. Because labor laws protect turds. You can't just fire a turd. You need documentation. No problem, I can do that.

2. If cuts need to be made (which is hard to do, as a matter of fact), documentation helps determine the good employee, that should be staying; does. Nobody wants to let go of a good employee by mistake. Survival of the fittest. Natural Selection. Understand?

Razeekster · November 2015

NorseGod said:

Charlie.Cheswick said:

14. Be prepaired to eat from a dog dish on command & all mistakes will be documented, even the slightest so that when the time comes that I feel like getting rid of you, your termination will already be underway.

Now you're learning! Now that you know, you should have no excuse.

Hey, do you know why that is even done?

1. Because labor laws protect turds. You can't just fire a turd. You need documentation. No problem, I can do that.

2. If cuts need to be made (which is hard to do, as a matter of fact), documentation helps determine the good employee, that should be staying; does. Nobody wants to let go of a good employee by mistake. Survival of the fittest. Natural Selection. Understand?

You people honestly make me sick. Can't believe people like this exist. Just sad.

Charlie.Cheswick · November 2015

NorseGod said:

Charlie.Cheswick said:

14. Be prepaired to eat from a dog dish on command & all mistakes will be documented, even the slightest so that when the time comes that I feel like getting rid of you, your termination will already be underway.

Now you're learning! Now that you know, you should have no excuse.

Hey, do you know why that is even done?

1. Because labor laws protect turds. You can't just fire a turd. You need documentation. No problem, I can do that.

2. If cuts need to be made (which is hard to do, as a matter of fact), documentation helps determine the good employee, that should be staying; does. Nobody wants to let go of a good employee by mistake. Survival of the fittest. Natural Selection. Understand?

Yea, I do this for a living as a matter of fact. So yes, I know & understand the process. But if you could be any more condescending about it, please keep going.

NorseGod · November 2015

Razeekster said:

NorseGod said:

Charlie.Cheswick said:

14. Be prepaired to eat from a dog dish on command & all mistakes will be documented, even the slightest so that when the time comes that I feel like getting rid of you, your termination will already be underway.

Now you're learning! Now that you know, you should have no excuse.

Hey, do you know why that is even done?

1. Because labor laws protect turds. You can't just fire a turd. You need documentation. No problem, I can do that.

2. If cuts need to be made (which is hard to do, as a matter of fact), documentation helps determine the good employee, that should be staying; does. Nobody wants to let go of a good employee by mistake. Survival of the fittest. Natural Selection. Understand?

You people honestly make me sick. Can't believe people like this exist. Just sad.

How so?

Razeekster · November 2015

glord said:

Making more money just means buying the fancy tooth paste, the fancy paper towels, the special middle class folk toilet paper for your special middle class butthole, like 3 more games every month and more expensive car insurance. Don't forget you ruined it when you bought a bigger house with space you don't need also.

I dropped out of college with a laugh.

I've always found it funny that people work in jobs that they hate or go to school for better paying jobs to pay for a house that they're never even in because they work so much and they are working to also pay for their car to get them to work and back from the house that they are paying for that they never really even see.

I've already decided never to buy a house just from my experience living in a place I rent. Literally never in my apartment besides to eat and sleep lol

NorseGod · November 2015

Charlie.Cheswick said:

NorseGod said:

Charlie.Cheswick said:

14. Be prepaired to eat from a dog dish on command & all mistakes will be documented, even the slightest so that when the time comes that I feel like getting rid of you, your termination will already be underway.

Now you're learning! Now that you know, you should have no excuse.

Hey, do you know why that is even done?

1. Because labor laws protect turds. You can't just fire a turd. You need documentation. No problem, I can do that.

2. If cuts need to be made (which is hard to do, as a matter of fact), documentation helps determine the good employee, that should be staying; does. Nobody wants to let go of a good employee by mistake. Survival of the fittest. Natural Selection. Understand?

Yea, I do this for a living as a matter of fact. So yes, I know & understand the process. But if you could be any more condescending about it, please keep going.

Just being honest.

Instead of everyone using their feels to process the points I made. Try looking at it as a cheat sheet and work around those points.

I'm willing to bet the majority had no clue about "shit test" in Point #8. But, it's real. It doesn't matter if people like it or not. That's why I said you can only depend on yourself. YOU need to work around the points I listed. This new generation expects someone else to do it for them and that's why they work at Dunken Dounuts (No offense OP).

Do you think the interviewer is going to go easy on them? No. So, I'd rather be honest here. Now. Before they walk into an interview. I don't believe in the "You're special", BS.

Razeekster · November 2015

VengeSunsoar said:

Well if that's your dream i guess you better get to work to achieve it instead of demanding other people give you things you haven't earned.

I have literally "demanded" nothing but a living wage. That should be a given for everyone. You try living off $7.50 an hour in today's world without a roommate to help out. It's not easy at all.

And all these people telling me to apply to places or move somewhere else: you apparently missed the part where I said I moved towns to try and find a job and sent my resume with applications to over 40 places and only got an interview request from one place.

A lot of you seem to think I'm lazy when I busted my ass off just to find a job that only pays me the bare minimum.

It really actually irritates me to see this suggestion that I am at all lazy. I definitely AM NOT. That $700 computer I built? Busted my ass off for that for a good two years.

I have loans to pay, car insurance, rent, plus people to pay back for keeping me on my feet for the six plus months that I was looking for a job.

Slapshot1188 · November 2015

Dear God.. how can this thread still be going? It's like the forum version of zombie apocalypse

Distopia · November 2015

NorseGod said:

Razeekster said:

My generation is broke and underpaid.

I'm 22, working at Dunkin Donuts for the measly wage of $7.50 an hour. I'm working with people with freaking 4+ years of college around my age (20-25) who can't get work in their fields, and so they're working at bloody Dunkin Donuts for $7.50 an hour (a lot of them with kids too, paying off college debts). I JUST am finally getting internet in my apartment after almost 4 months.

The bottom line is that most of my generation cannot afford $60 games, and when we're up to bat (so to speak) we will not be able to afford to keep the game industry alive unless wages have been raised.

It's really too bad, but the world has turned into a place of rampant greed and the rot is now bleeding into video games too.

I own my business. Let me extend a few observations. First, rampant greed is a liberal myth. You can only rely on yourself, not what "Dale" the silver-ponytailed, Women's Studies professor taught you.

1. Nobody finds younger people dependable or worth the cost of hiring them.
2. Being told you are a winner and special all your life, was a lie. You are not.
3. Older people with way more experience make crap pay working crap jobs because they lost their careers.
4. Your $100,000 degree in Woman's Studies or any other Liberal Arts major, is worthless. Get a refund.
5. Be humbled and grateful if you get hired anywhere. Perform like a rock star even if you're not doing what you want to be doing. It counts.
6. Small business owners in the community know each other. Your "temporary boss" probably knows the owner of the place that you applied at.
7. Wear a suit and tie like a man. A nice one, not those stupid hipster skinny pants that don't cover your socks while standing.
8. Be prepared. Notepad and pen. If you ask for a pen (even from the receptionist), you're not getting hired.
9. Be honest. If you were a scumbag years ago, be upfront. If you think you need additional training but really interested in the job, say so.
10. Use spellchecker on your resume. (lol, or don't. I like reading both kinds.)
11. Go to many interviews, even if you don't plan to take that job. Be honest with yourself on what went wrong and what went well. Tweek it. Apply it during the next one.
12. Expecting a job with no experience, but a college degree (so what?), doesn't give you the right to the top pay scale and will get you laughed out of the building.
13. I wouldn't whine about corporate greed during an interview. I'll shred your resume the second you walk out my door.

What does small business owner and corporate greed have to with each other in the slightest bit?

Slapshot1188 · November 2015

Razeekster said:

VengeSunsoar said:

Well if that's your dream i guess you better get to work to achieve it instead of demanding other people give you things you haven't earned.

I have literally "demanded" nothing but a living wage. That should be a given for everyone. You try living off $7.50 an hour in today's world without a roommate to help out. It's not easy at all.

And all these people telling me to apply to places or move somewhere else: you apparently missed the part where I said I moved towns to try and find a job and sent my resume with applications to over 40 places and only got an interview request from one place.

A lot of you seem to think I'm lazy when I busted my ass off just to find a job that only pays me the bare minimum.

It really actually irritates me to see this suggestion that I am at all lazy. I definitely AM NOT. That $700 computer I built? Busted my ass off for that for a good two years.

I have loans to pay, car insurance, rent, plus people to pay back for keeping me on my feet for the six plus months that I was looking for a job.

Look for a different line of work? Get a skill that is actually useful and someone will pay for? Minimum wage jobs are not meant to be careers. Go work sorting packages for a company like UPS or work in an Amazon warehouse. Sure you will have to start working third shift but they will pay you close to the "living wage" you whine for. You will bust your ass working though. Heck, right now both of those companies are filling thousands and thousands of seasonal jobs. Here you go: http://www.adeccousa.com/job-seekers/pages/job-detail.aspx?jobid=US_EN_1_027779_11064163&bid=1000

Took me less than 1 minute. You are welcome.

If you are willing to work off hours and weekends its very easy to find jobs that pay your "living wage". Good luck.

Charlie.Cheswick · November 2015

NorseGod said:

Charlie.Cheswick said:

NorseGod said:

Charlie.Cheswick said:

14. Be prepaired to eat from a dog dish on command & all mistakes will be documented, even the slightest so that when the time comes that I feel like getting rid of you, your termination will already be underway.

Now you're learning! Now that you know, you should have no excuse.

Hey, do you know why that is even done?

1. Because labor laws protect turds. You can't just fire a turd. You need documentation. No problem, I can do that.

2. If cuts need to be made (which is hard to do, as a matter of fact), documentation helps determine the good employee, that should be staying; does. Nobody wants to let go of a good employee by mistake. Survival of the fittest. Natural Selection. Understand?

Yea, I do this for a living as a matter of fact. So yes, I know & understand the process. But if you could be any more condescending about it, please keep going.

Just being honest.

Instead of everyone using their feels to process the points I made. Try looking at it as a cheat sheet and work around those points.

I'm willing to bet the majority had no clue about "shit test" in Point #8. But, it's real. It doesn't matter if people like it or not. That's why I said you can only depend on yourself. YOU need to work around the points I listed. This new generation expects someone else to do it for them and that's why they work at Dunken Dounuts (No offense OP).

Do you think the interviewer is going to go easy on them? No. So, I'd rather be honest here. Now. Before they walk into an interview. I don't believe in the "You're special", BS.

Listen Chief, I've been doing this for 20 some odd yrs. I make a fantastic living doing it. In fact it's easier than doing actual work. You know, like labor. It's paperwork & bullshit. Hiring, firing, HR, you name it, I've done it. I'm currently doing it for a very large corp. I only say this because your pseudo education rap is annoying. Your list is accurate as is my addition to it. Although your assessment of labor laws and of the state of the current & ever devolving economic situation leaves very little cred to your overly egocentric power trip when hiring.

You are correct though, there are many people like you who have this attitude when dealing with current & potential employees. When I hire for senior management positions, I tend not to hire people with this type of attitude. There are different styles, so keep going with what's working for you, I suppose.

Good luck.

H0urg1ass · November 2015

Enlist in the Military, pick any job that gets you a security clearance. The military will pay off your college loans over the course of three years. Then you can make serious money as a contractor when you leave the military after your first enlistment.

But then again, that requires putting in real work for a minimum of four years, and no, making donuts is not real work.

Slapshot1188 · November 2015

NorseGod said:

Razeekster said:

My generation is broke and underpaid.

I'm 22, working at Dunkin Donuts for the measly wage of $7.50 an hour. I'm working with people with freaking 4+ years of college around my age (20-25) who can't get work in their fields, and so they're working at bloody Dunkin Donuts for $7.50 an hour (a lot of them with kids too, paying off college debts). I JUST am finally getting internet in my apartment after almost 4 months.

The bottom line is that most of my generation cannot afford $60 games, and when we're up to bat (so to speak) we will not be able to afford to keep the game industry alive unless wages have been raised.

It's really too bad, but the world has turned into a place of rampant greed and the rot is now bleeding into video games too.

I own my business. Let me extend a few observations. First, rampant greed is a liberal myth. You can only rely on yourself, not what "Dale" the silver-ponytailed, Women's Studies professor taught you.

1. Nobody finds younger people dependable or worth the cost of hiring them.
2. Being told you are a winner and special all your life, was a lie. You are not.
3. Older people with way more experience make crap pay working crap jobs because they lost their careers.
4. Your $100,000 degree in Woman's Studies or any other Liberal Arts major, is worthless. Get a refund.
5. Be humbled and grateful if you get hired anywhere. Perform like a rock star even if you're not doing what you want to be doing. It counts.
6. Small business owners in the community know each other. Your "temporary boss" probably knows the owner of the place that you applied at.
7. Wear a suit and tie like a man. A nice one, not those stupid hipster skinny pants that don't cover your socks while standing.
8. Be prepared. Notepad and pen. If you ask for a pen (even from the receptionist), you're not getting hired.
9. Be honest. If you were a scumbag years ago, be upfront. If you think you need additional training but really interested in the job, say so.
10. Use spellchecker on your resume. (lol, or don't. I like reading both kinds.)
11. Go to many interviews, even if you don't plan to take that job. Be honest with yourself on what went wrong and what went well. Tweek it. Apply it during the next one.
12. Expecting a job with no experience, but a college degree (so what?), doesn't give you the right to the top pay scale and will get you laughed out of the building.
13. I wouldn't whine about corporate greed during an interview. I'll shred your resume the second you walk out my door.

Absolutely fantastic post. These kids go to college and take useless courses because they are fed bullshit all their life. It's a shame that nobody ever cared enough to show them reality.

NorseGod · November 2015

Distopia said:

NorseGod said:

Razeekster said:

My generation is broke and underpaid.

I'm 22, working at Dunkin Donuts for the measly wage of $7.50 an hour. I'm working with people with freaking 4+ years of college around my age (20-25) who can't get work in their fields, and so they're working at bloody Dunkin Donuts for $7.50 an hour (a lot of them with kids too, paying off college debts). I JUST am finally getting internet in my apartment after almost 4 months.

The bottom line is that most of my generation cannot afford $60 games, and when we're up to bat (so to speak) we will not be able to afford to keep the game industry alive unless wages have been raised.

It's really too bad, but the world has turned into a place of rampant greed and the rot is now bleeding into video games too.

I own my business. Let me extend a few observations. First, rampant greed is a liberal myth. You can only rely on yourself, not what "Dale" the silver-ponytailed, Women's Studies professor taught you.

1. Nobody finds younger people dependable or worth the cost of hiring them.
2. Being told you are a winner and special all your life, was a lie. You are not.
3. Older people with way more experience make crap pay working crap jobs because they lost their careers.
4. Your $100,000 degree in Woman's Studies or any other Liberal Arts major, is worthless. Get a refund.
5. Be humbled and grateful if you get hired anywhere. Perform like a rock star even if you're not doing what you want to be doing. It counts.
6. Small business owners in the community know each other. Your "temporary boss" probably knows the owner of the place that you applied at.
7. Wear a suit and tie like a man. A nice one, not those stupid hipster skinny pants that don't cover your socks while standing.
8. Be prepared. Notepad and pen. If you ask for a pen (even from the receptionist), you're not getting hired.
9. Be honest. If you were a scumbag years ago, be upfront. If you think you need additional training but really interested in the job, say so.
10. Use spellchecker on your resume. (lol, or don't. I like reading both kinds.)
11. Go to many interviews, even if you don't plan to take that job. Be honest with yourself on what went wrong and what went well. Tweek it. Apply it during the next one.
12. Expecting a job with no experience, but a college degree (so what?), doesn't give you the right to the top pay scale and will get you laughed out of the building.
13. I wouldn't whine about corporate greed during an interview. I'll shred your resume the second you walk out my door.

What does small business owner and corporate greed have to with each other in the slightest bit?

You're right, what possible insight would I have?

Listen,

Corporate greed is real to a certain level. I prefer not to do business with crap companies. It's very simple. Don't buy from them. Don't work for them. They either change or shut their doors.

Paying someone $22hr to sweep floors at Dunken Doughnuts isn't going to happen. No matter how much your mom tells you that you deserve it. It has nothing to do with "corporate greed". I don't even have to be a small business owner to understand that.

Distopia · November 2015

NorseGod said:

Distopia said:

NorseGod said:

Razeekster said:

My generation is broke and underpaid.

I'm 22, working at Dunkin Donuts for the measly wage of $7.50 an hour. I'm working with people with freaking 4+ years of college around my age (20-25) who can't get work in their fields, and so they're working at bloody Dunkin Donuts for $7.50 an hour (a lot of them with kids too, paying off college debts). I JUST am finally getting internet in my apartment after almost 4 months.

The bottom line is that most of my generation cannot afford $60 games, and when we're up to bat (so to speak) we will not be able to afford to keep the game industry alive unless wages have been raised.

It's really too bad, but the world has turned into a place of rampant greed and the rot is now bleeding into video games too.

I own my business. Let me extend a few observations. First, rampant greed is a liberal myth. You can only rely on yourself, not what "Dale" the silver-ponytailed, Women's Studies professor taught you.

1. Nobody finds younger people dependable or worth the cost of hiring them.
2. Being told you are a winner and special all your life, was a lie. You are not.
3. Older people with way more experience make crap pay working crap jobs because they lost their careers.
4. Your $100,000 degree in Woman's Studies or any other Liberal Arts major, is worthless. Get a refund.
5. Be humbled and grateful if you get hired anywhere. Perform like a rock star even if you're not doing what you want to be doing. It counts.
6. Small business owners in the community know each other. Your "temporary boss" probably knows the owner of the place that you applied at.
7. Wear a suit and tie like a man. A nice one, not those stupid hipster skinny pants that don't cover your socks while standing.
8. Be prepared. Notepad and pen. If you ask for a pen (even from the receptionist), you're not getting hired.
9. Be honest. If you were a scumbag years ago, be upfront. If you think you need additional training but really interested in the job, say so.
10. Use spellchecker on your resume. (lol, or don't. I like reading both kinds.)
11. Go to many interviews, even if you don't plan to take that job. Be honest with yourself on what went wrong and what went well. Tweek it. Apply it during the next one.
12. Expecting a job with no experience, but a college degree (so what?), doesn't give you the right to the top pay scale and will get you laughed out of the building.
13. I wouldn't whine about corporate greed during an interview. I'll shred your resume the second you walk out my door.

What does small business owner and corporate greed have to with each other in the slightest bit?

You're right, what possible insight would I have?

Listen,

Corporate greed is real to a certain level. I prefer not to do business with crap companies. It's very simple. Don't buy from them. Don't work for them. They either change or shut their doors.

Paying someone $22hr to sweep floors at Dunken Doughnuts isn't going to happen. No matter how much your mom tells you that you deserve it. It has nothing to do with "corporate greed". I don't even have to be a small business owner to understand that.

OF course, as I said previously it's not a job to expect a living from. I was just wondering why a "small business owner" would have a problem with the acknowledgement of corporate greed. As that would be one major reason people would seek you out for employment, to avoid corporate nonsense.

NorseGod · November 2015

Charlie.Cheswick said:

NorseGod said:

Charlie.Cheswick said:

NorseGod said:

Charlie.Cheswick said:

14. Be prepaired to eat from a dog dish on command & all mistakes will be documented, even the slightest so that when the time comes that I feel like getting rid of you, your termination will already be underway.

Now you're learning! Now that you know, you should have no excuse.

Hey, do you know why that is even done?

1. Because labor laws protect turds. You can't just fire a turd. You need documentation. No problem, I can do that.

2. If cuts need to be made (which is hard to do, as a matter of fact), documentation helps determine the good employee, that should be staying; does. Nobody wants to let go of a good employee by mistake. Survival of the fittest. Natural Selection. Understand?

Yea, I do this for a living as a matter of fact. So yes, I know & understand the process. But if you could be any more condescending about it, please keep going.

Just being honest.

Instead of everyone using their feels to process the points I made. Try looking at it as a cheat sheet and work around those points.

I'm willing to bet the majority had no clue about "shit test" in Point #8. But, it's real. It doesn't matter if people like it or not. That's why I said you can only depend on yourself. YOU need to work around the points I listed. This new generation expects someone else to do it for them and that's why they work at Dunken Dounuts (No offense OP).

Do you think the interviewer is going to go easy on them? No. So, I'd rather be honest here. Now. Before they walk into an interview. I don't believe in the "You're special", BS.

Listen Chief, I've been doing this for 20 some odd yrs. I make a fantastic living doing it. In fact it's easier than doing actual work. You know, like labor. It's paperwork & bullshit. Hiring, firing, HR, you name it, I've done it. I'm currently doing it for a very large corp. I only say this because your pseudo education rap is annoying. Your list is accurate as is my addition to it. Although your assessment of labor laws and of the state of the current & ever devolving economic situation leaves very little cred to your overly egocentric power trip when hiring.

You are correct though, there are many people like you who have this attitude when dealing with current & potential employees. When I hire for senior management positions, I tend not to hire people with this type of attitude. There are different styles, so keep going with what's working for you, I suppose.

Good luck.

The ever devolving economic situation? Whoa buddy, I'm just trying to give tips to some kid. Just showing him what he is up against in order to win.

I'm not getting into issues with employers that unable to fill low-level paying positions because people are making more money from government than working. While at the same time Wal-Mart cutting 500 high-end positions. The guy makes doughnuts for piss sake.

Oh, and I believed you the first time you told me your professional background. Just get on with what you're trying to say. I'm listening, believe it or not.

NorseGod · November 2015

Slapshot1188 said:

Razeekster said:

VengeSunsoar said:

Look for a different line of work? Get a skill that is actually useful and someone will pay for? Minimum wage jobs are not meant to be careers. Go work sorting packages for a company like UPS or work in an Amazon warehouse. Sure you will have to start working third shift but they will pay you close to the "living wage" you whine for. You will bust your ass working though. Heck, right now both of those companies are filling thousands and thousands of seasonal jobs. Here you go: http://www.adeccousa.com/job-seekers/pages/job-detail.aspx?jobid=US_EN_1_027779_11064163&bid=1000

Took me less than 1 minute. You are welcome.

If you are willing to work off hours and weekends its very easy to find jobs that pay your "living wage". Good luck.

See? They need everything done for them. That's why they never get hired.

VengeSunsoar · November 2015

No. Not everyone does deserve a living wage. The world owes you nothing. You are entitled to only what you are willing to do yourself. You will only be paid what society feels your actions are worth.

So no. Everyone is not entitled to a living wage.

NorseGod · November 2015

Distopia said:

NorseGod said:

Distopia said:

NorseGod said:

Razeekster said:

My generation is broke and underpaid.

I'm 22, working at Dunkin Donuts for the measly wage of $7.50 an hour. I'm working with people with freaking 4+ years of college around my age (20-25) who can't get work in their fields, and so they're working at bloody Dunkin Donuts for $7.50 an hour (a lot of them with kids too, paying off college debts). I JUST am finally getting internet in my apartment after almost 4 months.

The bottom line is that most of my generation cannot afford $60 games, and when we're up to bat (so to speak) we will not be able to afford to keep the game industry alive unless wages have been raised.

It's really too bad, but the world has turned into a place of rampant greed and the rot is now bleeding into video games too.

I own my business. Let me extend a few observations. First, rampant greed is a liberal myth. You can only rely on yourself, not what "Dale" the silver-ponytailed, Women's Studies professor taught you.

1. Nobody finds younger people dependable or worth the cost of hiring them.
2. Being told you are a winner and special all your life, was a lie. You are not.
3. Older people with way more experience make crap pay working crap jobs because they lost their careers.
4. Your $100,000 degree in Woman's Studies or any other Liberal Arts major, is worthless. Get a refund.
5. Be humbled and grateful if you get hired anywhere. Perform like a rock star even if you're not doing what you want to be doing. It counts.
6. Small business owners in the community know each other. Your "temporary boss" probably knows the owner of the place that you applied at.
7. Wear a suit and tie like a man. A nice one, not those stupid hipster skinny pants that don't cover your socks while standing.
8. Be prepared. Notepad and pen. If you ask for a pen (even from the receptionist), you're not getting hired.
9. Be honest. If you were a scumbag years ago, be upfront. If you think you need additional training but really interested in the job, say so.
10. Use spellchecker on your resume. (lol, or don't. I like reading both kinds.)
11. Go to many interviews, even if you don't plan to take that job. Be honest with yourself on what went wrong and what went well. Tweek it. Apply it during the next one.
12. Expecting a job with no experience, but a college degree (so what?), doesn't give you the right to the top pay scale and will get you laughed out of the building.
13. I wouldn't whine about corporate greed during an interview. I'll shred your resume the second you walk out my door.

What does small business owner and corporate greed have to with each other in the slightest bit?

You're right, what possible insight would I have?

Listen,

Corporate greed is real to a certain level. I prefer not to do business with crap companies. It's very simple. Don't buy from them. Don't work for them. They either change or shut their doors.

Paying someone $22hr to sweep floors at Dunken Doughnuts isn't going to happen. No matter how much your mom tells you that you deserve it. It has nothing to do with "corporate greed". I don't even have to be a small business owner to understand that.

OF course, as I said previously it's not a job to expect a living from. I was just wondering why a "small business owner" would have a problem with the acknowledgement of corporate greed. As that would be one major reason people would seek you out for employment, to avoid corporate nonsense.

IMO,

Because "corporate greed" is applied anytime a business takes corrective actions that are not always pleasant to some. The label is overused and misplaced.

There is a political agenda pushing this. That corporations are bad. Being rich is bad. Being successful is bad.

That's why I say corporate greed by their terms, is a myth.

Distopia · November 2015

VengeSunsoar said:

No. Not everyone does deserve a living wage. The world owes you nothing. You are entitled to only what you are willing to do yourself. You will only be paid what society feels your actions are worth.

So no. Everyone is not entitled to a living wage.

This is what sucks about these conversation on just about any level. People seem to just buy into corporate propaganda, which is the only entity served by such a mentality. The more they outsource the real industries, the more they price gouge as much as they can, with politicians/media in their pocket pushing beliefs like this, the more actual living wages slip away, while the people most effected are steadfast in defense of such actions without even realizing it.

This isn't really about entitlement, not in the least bit... that's just more of the propaganda people buy into..

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