how long do you think before they made "sweeping new" changes to the "classic server?"
a year?
6 months?
fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice.....
they could make a classic server free for all i care, theyve completely lost my trust. im having fun with other games now where the companies arent so conceided and self centered. soe's and lucasarts attitude of "telling me whats fun to me" rather than the other way around got old. it was insulting and itll be a cold day in hell before i install another soe product on my pc or on any console i might own down the road.
Games i'm playing right now...
"In short, I thought NGE was a very bad idea" - Raph Koster talking about NGE on his blog at raphkoster.com
Well one thing I was thinking is that if all of you say that nothing is going to happen then why did Lucas Arts hold the Focus Group? That would just be a waste of money and I doubt they would want to do that. I think they are planning something big and they needed to see what the playerbase wanted since SOE doesn't seem to care. They are trying to save their name.
Pepi Deto Colonel Rebel Alliance Corbantis Server "Any company who tries to 'wait it out' will be just that, out!" - Tommy Boy
There wont be a rollback, they have commited everything into this socalled "upgrade".
Looking at it businesswise, they knew they would loose tons of costumers, and tose costumers will not come back just because a new server opens with the old game, and they all have to start over from scratch. Those costumers are considered lost and only a dreamer would ever think such a betrayal, destroying years of work into a character in one sweep,would be forgiven.
Second: The games was not even considered a success during its Pre- days. Its not like going back would mean tons of costumers and a succesful game, even if people DID come back. They do nto have much to go back to. The fact that they know they killed any contact with the few costumers they actually had, together with the cost of starting special servers for the few lost souls that has not lost faith in the game and the company...
ALL they have now, is a future market, and they know it. They now have to commit 100% to that theoretical new consumer base. As it sems, they are looking at kiddie players on consoles a whole lot more than even considering a rollback.
They burned all ships, then put the few eggs they had in one basket and jumped overboard. And there....
they will drown.
"This is not a game to be tossed aside lightly. It should be thrown with great force"
Originally posted by Harafnir As it sems, they are looking at kiddie players on consoles a whole lot more than even considering a rollback.
I love the sadists that actually liked what was before NGE.
Consoles kiddies? Try a game that isn't a bathtub of bordom. Try a game that actually lets you be a jedi without playing the damn game 6 months... if you're lucky.
I played in all 3 instances of this game and NGE is by far the best. Consoles? I don't even own one. Now the game is actually fun.
Originally posted by Celestian Originally posted by Harafnir As it sems, they are looking at kiddie players on consoles a whole lot more than even considering a rollback.
I love the sadists that actually liked what was before NGE.
Consoles kiddies? Try a game that isn't a bathtub of bordom. Try a game that actually lets you be a jedi without playing the damn game 6 months... if you're lucky.
I played in all 3 instances of this game and NGE is by far the best. Consoles? I don't even own one. Now the game is actually fun.
This comming from a guy who has nearly 1000 hours on WoW, 28 this week and is playing it as I type this. Is it a forbidden love you dont want seen other than in your post? Or are you talking out of youre ass?
"There's no star system Slave I can't reach, and there's no planet I can't find. There's nowhere in the Galaxy for you to run. Might as well give up now." Boba Fett
I seriously feel for everyone who stuck with SWG as long as they did. It crushed my dreams of living my life as a Twi'lek long ago, but I could still see why people stuck with the game. I even considered coming back to it on several occassions. Then this NGE thing came up and made me quite glad I got out when I did. I am already jaded enough in regards to the MMO industry, I did not need something like this.
But to get back on topic, the current team in control of SWG does not care what the players want. They had one of the most solid IPs in the history of MMOs, and they botched their job royally. There will be no rollback, the game will be shut down before that happens.
It would be more efficiant to take this game out back, put it out of its misery (hopefully putting it out from the player's memories) and starting on a new SWG. Would players except SWG 2? Would we bite again if it came out? I would love to say no, but I would end up following its development anyway. Make me a SWG: KOTOR MMO and I might just forget all about that last joke of a game.
Originally posted by Harafnir As it sems, they are looking at kiddie players on consoles a whole lot more than even considering a rollback.
I love the sadists that actually liked what was before NGE.
Consoles kiddies? Try a game that isn't a bathtub of bordom. Try a game that actually lets you be a jedi without playing the damn game 6 months... if you're lucky.
I played in all 3 instances of this game and NGE is by far the best. Consoles? I don't even own one. Now the game is actually fun.
This comming from a guy who has nearly 1000 hours on WoW, 28 this week and is playing it as I type this. Is it a forbidden love you dont want seen other than in your post? Or are you talking out of youre ass?
The latter... He's a troll. Please don't feed trolls!
SOE knows what you like... You don't! And don't forget... I am forcing you to read this!
Originally posted by akewlguy no JtL needs to go, it took away from the ground game. Remember when all the doc's where in space? JtL needs to go when the rollback happens, and the only ones that should have any type of toons after the rollback are any Elder Jedi. We made the game thus we should be the first rewarded in the new Pre-CU.
What the hell are you thinking? JtL, while not the BEST implemintation of space, was important. it's as large of the Star Wars universe as the ground stuff. Every vet from day one, including myself, that I've ever known in disregard to you, looked forward to JtL with high hopes, it was more debt to the game. I would have liked it to tie in more with the ground game, but it was at least desent enough to play.
Us doctors went into space and did our own thing cuz we got tired of doing nothing but buffing all day long. I had to go annonimus because the second I logged on I'd get tells that would not end from people wanting buffs. I like the idea of buffs but I hated the indea that they were needed for anyone to do anything.
Disregarding how hard it was to solo post-CU, I did like the fact that there was more than one way to go as a jedi, unlike how it was before, and is again now. I like a light side, and a dark side, and a rear inbetween side. I'd like to see those aspects braught back BUT I never enjoyed seeing people running around in happyland with their robes and sabers out in front of darth vader himself without any negative side effects. I expect jedi to die like dogs, or at least be attacked. I was one of the few who took care to respect the way the timeline should have been treated, though SOE did very little to help.
This game should be designed for the true fans of star wars first, make the game into a fun, but realistic modle. If they want a billion jedi running around in the open, fine then advance the time line, or make people be covert about who they are, and those that are not have more than to worry about a puny BH hunting them, but the stormtroopers jumping them, etc. Never am i saying there shouldn't be jedi, just have it tuff to obtain (but not impossible) and require not being a leet asshole who has no respect for the timeline or you pay the price
Originally posted by duncan_922 The latter... He's a troll. Please don't feed trolls!
Im sorry sir, it will never happen again
"There's no star system Slave I can't reach, and there's no planet I can't find. There's nowhere in the Galaxy for you to run. Might as well give up now." Boba Fett
Congrats really, you are why I support the NGE and what's going on with SWG in a nutshell. First off I am a long time MMO player, from the days of Neverwinter Nights being on AOL, to UO both the so called 'golden age' of UO where pkers ruled the land and up till Age of Shadows. I've been on EQ, FFXI and WoW (a game that imho is slowly going down hill like I said it would in 2004) And you clearly show why the NGE was more then likely needed...
I signed up to SWG due to the fact that it was going to have an in game space/dogfight game, I grew up on games like Wing Commander and X-Wing. And also due to the fact that I grew up on Star Wars, when I was a kid I had the toys everything from an AT-AT Walker down to a Y-Wing Starfighter. I'd play with other kids around the block with are toy Lightsabers and Blasters. When I heard in 2001 news about a Star Wars MMO I was insane about the game. I had news sites bookmarked about it, I drooled over every pic and told friends in games of Jedi Knight Outcast how great SWG was going to be... Now I didn't go to the game right away, like I said long time MMO player so I knew that SWG would have bugs, that everyone and there mother would be there at launch, and that giving the game a few months would be the best bet. So me and a few friends went and played FFXI and before Jump to Lightspeed came out I logged in for the first time and what did I see?
Everyone in the same armor, a Jedi running around waving his lightsaber screaming about how he could own any 'newbie' that came his way. A small PvP fight where one guy with a Pike and his buddy a Combat Medic killed a few other guys in no time at all, namely with knockdown/dizzy and the insane DOT's they where useing. Oh yeah then that Jedi had two BH's go after him, the first was a MBH/MCarbineer who got killed in no time. The other a BH/TKM held his own namely by getting a Knockdown/Dizzy off before the Jedi could do anything... Oh yeah and I did like the skill system, I mean I remember it from UO... Infact the game played like a dumbed down 3d UO imho...
And I remember the Jump to Lightspeed launch... How a few of the 'vet' guildmembers of the guild I was in said the same thing you said... Space was killing the ground game, SOE had no right to add it and that Jump to Lightspeed should have been removed from the game. It's sad really cuz Space didn't die due to the NGE or CU, it died cuz players like yourself Mr.Kewlguy had to have there way and played the card you yourself have played... I remember Deep Space at one time being jumping, before the CU hit on my server I was lucky to find a fellow Rebel or an Tie Pilot to fight...
Ya know the funny thing is I've been dealing with players like you for years now, when you don't get your way you run onto any and I mean any fourm and cry. You claim your 'love' for the game and how everything was better with the old system/ruleset/pvp system/whatever and how the game needs to be rolled back so you and your guildmates can run around like gods again. I saw this on UO, not once but two times! First when they did remove Player Killing, and hey the Player Killers where warned, EA/OSI didn't say it, but it was there... Players like yourself laughed and posted pics of your latest 'hunt' ending with crashing an role played wedding and doing a colorful emote on the brides body that would get you arrested in real life. On UO we got Trammel and players like you claimed the game would die in 4 months unless EA/OSI did a rollback. They didn't and that was 2000, and again in 2003 everyone cried over Age of Shadows... It was a big change to UO and yet everyone claimed UO was going to die... Wow again it didn't!
Ya know what I didn't want a 'pvp' game with SWG, I didn't want a game where I was 'forced' to play your way or go back to FFXI! I wanted this thing called a 'Star Wars' game, ya know based on a line of movies (tho we will ingore Ep 1) books, comics and video games (and a TV show in 2007!) I don't think for a min that LA or SOE would really think or feel that "Oh gee everyone will love this!" both make games for a living, hell some of SWG's staff where Ex-UO dev team members and they know how much players love change. They also saw that from the CU as well... And before you say "But I was a Jedi for a year, and had all kinds of uber stuff and played longer and..." Congrats! Your now a member of the MMO club! GAMES CHANGE! Think UO is the same game after all those years? Think EQ is the same just as it was when it came out? Think no game besides SWG has bugs, or lag or anything like that? Before you say "WoW" please spare me, everyone lies and Blizzard gets away with ALOT due to Blizzard being the golden child of the gaming world.
And ya know I get the feeling by 'working hard' for Jedi I think you really mean "Ebaying one with mommy's Mastercard." Hey now you know why some of us MMO Vets along with others have been saying "Don't buy anything for a game off Ebay!" Sucks to be you I guess, but hey you got a robe out of it!
Still getting back on track, it's the players like you that killed the Pre-CU Kewlguy. Your the one that cried and moaned to get things your way. Your the one like others that just saw the game as one big game of Counter-Strike or whatever you kids play. Your the ones that found little things like defence stacking, your the one that did the afk grind with his buddy's not to role play a Jedi, but so you could have an easyer time in PvP. Your the one that told SOE "#### the space game work on ground unless it's Jedi Powers in space!" Your the one that powergamed, and used every trick in the book to stay on top and told any newbies that showed up "get jedi then you can play!" Something I heard on my first day, when a Jedi player desided to start killing everything I was fighting cuz he believed it was funny...
So really congrats, now your at everyones level and it's a balanced (tho yes it needs work) playing field. And now maybe now we can get things like Ground Flight or a Space GCW, and yes the game isn't doing well but hell look at the Matrix Online and other games. So why don't you do this if you really want something in SWG... Ask for a PvP Server or just quit and go to WoW if you love it so much.
"Congrats really, you are why I support the NGE and what's going on with SWG in a nutshell. First off I am a long time MMO player, from the days of Neverwinter Nights being on AOL, to UO both the so called 'golden age' of UO where pkers ruled the land and up till Age of Shadows. I've been on EQ, FFXI and WoW (a game that imho is slowly going down hill like I said it would in 2004) And you clearly show why the NGE was more then likely needed..."
followed by...
"Everyone in the same armor"
followed by...
"Ya know the funny thing is I've been dealing with players like you for years now, when you don't get your way you run onto any and I mean any fourm and cry. You claim your 'love' for the game and how everything was better with the old system/ruleset/pvp system/whatever and how the game needs to be rolled back so you and your guildmates can run around like gods again. I saw this on UO, not once but two times! First when they did remove Player Killing, and hey the Player Killers where warned, EA/OSI didn't say it, but it was there... Players like yourself laughed and posted pics of your latest 'hunt' ending with crashing an role played wedding and doing a colorful emote on the brides body that would get you arrested in real life. On UO we got Trammel and players like you claimed the game would die in 4 months unless EA/OSI did a rollback. They didn't and that was 2000, and again in 2003 everyone cried over Age of Shadows... It was a big change to UO and yet everyone claimed UO was going to die... Wow again it didn't"
followed by...
"GAMES CHANGE! Think UO is the same game after all those years? Think EQ is the same just as it was when it came out? Think no game besides SWG has bugs, or lag or anything like that? Before you say "WoW" please spare me, everyone lies and Blizzard gets away with ALOT due to Blizzard being the golden child of the gaming world."
followed by...
"Still getting back on track, it's the players like you that killed the Pre-CU Kewlguy. Your the one that cried and moaned to get things your way. Your the one like others that just saw the game as one big game of Counter-Strike or whatever you kids play."
followed by..
"So really congrats, now your at everyones level and it's a balanced (tho yes it needs work) playing field. And now maybe now we can get things like Ground Flight or a Space GCW, and yes the game isn't doing well but hell look at the Matrix Online and other games. So why don't you do this if you really want something in SWG... Ask for a PvP Server or just quit and go to WoW if you love it so much. "
You sir are exactly the kind of player I hate. I am going to throw just about everything back at you.. that you threw at another poster.
You start off with UO but the moment you do that you show what kind of person/gamer you are. You obviously don't like pvp based on multiple comments you make. That is fine..
What isn't so fine is you listed every person who did like pvp as being a griefer. You go farther saying they are children and want it their way or no way. I do NOT like pvp... I did fight back in UO and I did pvp in DAoC. Its not my favorite thing but I've done it.
Yet I personally can realize there were people who like to pvp. They actually did fight other people who liked to pvp. They didn't hide behind the idea "it was more of a challenge". Yet based that challenge on hitting the running miner (harder to hit a moving target) or various other grief tactics.
They never forced their version of the game on others.
DAoC used to be a friendly pvp place. Lately after I suppose the people who do fit you description had figured out WoW pvp sucked. They seemed to show up in DAoC and I finally quit for the last time.
So anything you have experienced due to pvp so have I. Yet I'll never try to lump every person who did it into a sterotype like you did. You never once in this post say "some" or even just "most". You sterotype every one of them into being certain things. That shows me things about your character and you do it so easy. Which leads me to believe you sterotype a lot of things.
Then when you finally come back around to this game... you start right off with:
"Everyone in the same armor"
Somewhere in your post you followed that up with a general statement about how... You had to play "their" way or go back to FFXI.
Problem is myself and in fact most everyone I played with .. didn't run around in composite armor. I mean I know without asking composite was "the same armor".
I played a Bio-Engineer / Creature Handler.
Do I have YOU to thank for losing those? Obviously you support the NGE and think it was needed. So once again do I thank you for this?
I love this part:
"GAMES CHANGE! Think UO is the same game after all those years? Think EQ is the same just as it was when it came out? Think no game besides SWG has bugs, or lag or anything like that? Before you say "WoW" please spare me, everyone lies and Blizzard gets away with ALOT due to Blizzard being the golden child of the gaming world."
Um.. ok games change but since when has that ever included removing classes? Well in SWG they called them professions.
Ya I mean my bio engineer / creature handler. My professions don't even exist any more. It would seem based on some cry to level the play field that must have come from you...
UO never said ok we are removing the following skill tree. EQ never said ok we are removing so many classes and will now just have 9 ICONIC rpg classes left.
Can you imagine what would happen to Blizzards multiple millions of subscriptions if they said... Ok we are removing the following classes.
Sorry Sir but that was the most idiotic remark I have ever seen.
And my major problem is you think this is all ok because...
"Ask for a PvP Server or just quit and go to WoW if you love it so much."
So the truth of the matter is all of your complaints through your entire post have to do with PvP. Well um..
You know before Trammel in UO outside guard zones ya it was free for all. Yet in SWG it never was. If you didn't declare of even if you did... but you were covert you were never affected by any of that.
Oh wait how do I know... because I played the game from beta right until it was ruined. NGE to me = No Game Experience.
PvP never affected me any more than people who were soloing night sister elders and the like. I didn't do it and I didn't give a crap that other people did. I just played MY game!
Yes it bothered me that some idiot was out front of a space port flailing a light saber around while flagged as a rebel. Walking up to Darth Vaders landing party shouting profanity.
Why? because Darth and various other Imperial npc's should have taken him off some place to never be seen again. Not because of profanity or even the idiot behaviour. But because it didn't fit game fiction or anything we knew of Star Wars. Yet that was my only real problem with it.
You seem to let how others played the game that shouldn't even have affected you... totally dominate your experience.
Your whole post just boggles me as much as the moves SOE is making lately. You make statements like SWG isn't doing well but look at MxO and others. Well great so SOE now owns MxO as well and has two totally craptastic games player base wise. Oh wait they are giving a free client for Planetside because that game is doing so well.
Oh wait they are shutting down EQ2 in asia because for a company based in Japan they have never succeeded in the asian market. (eq1 shut down after 1 year in asia and swg japan servers went good bye). Since you talk about UO in this thread... UO has multiple asian servers that are all still running. In their recent (this last month) newletter they are mapping out the next 2 years of game changes/updates. Yet SOE a company as noted based in Japan cannot succeed in that region. They blamed WoW as so dominating the market that EQ2 couldn't make it there. Yet as noted Ultima Online runs their just fine. Makes me wonder what the average person in Asia thinks of SOE.
You make comments how people claimed Trammel was the end of UO but blah blah. I never said that it would be the end. I in fact enjoyed Trammel.. What killed UO for me was someone filing a lawsuit against them.. because they weren't paid to be a volunteer. At which point I could no longer be a Seer in the Interest Teams so I left for good.
Oh another difference between UO and SWG.. at this point in time UO has more paying subs than SWG. Trust me that is a rather big difference to have.
I seriously start to have a major problem even trying to find logic in your post.
One of the first things you said was how WoW was going down hill just as you predicted in 2004. Hey I don't play the game either.. But they aren't losing the total subscription numbers.. they aren't staying at a certain cap they are GAINING subs.
I don't see how one of the few not just growing but 6 million+ and still growing games is going down hill. The community on the forums has always been horrible but its very successful and will be for a long time... I just still don't follow how its going down hill while its still a blockbuster in any meaningful way.
So to round out an equally long ramble as yours...
You are the kind of gamer that really irritates me.
Somehow you've let the game other people play dominate your experience right from the start. You've resented or been jealous of other gamers in every instance you've listed of your experience.
I just cannot grasp that.
I never cared what other people did. Ya in UO people griefed me so guess what.. I killed their pixels and took their stuff. When Trammel opened I never looked back and really didn't care.
Yet I somehow knew that there were people who actually enjoyed pvp from each side of the fight. I never have tried to lump every gamer into some category just because... I was upset or even delusional.
I actually realized that PvP in SWG was optional without a pvp server. I even realized that there were a lot of people in composite.. a ton of jedi's... people who solo'd what should be group/raid content.
And? I never cared... I just played MY game MY way.
Until someone like you came along and said the NGE was needed.
Thanks... thanks alot.
*edited* I tried to clean up some of the grammatics and clear up one line.
"I never said that it would be the end. I in fact enjoyed Trammel"
I originally had it worded as: I never said that I enjoyed Trammel.
Which seemed to say when I read it that I never liked it.. rather than I never said it was the end of the game and in fact enjoyed that area.
Is it just me, or is the SWG forum the most active forum on this site? This isn't the average "players whining because they don't like change". This forum is filled with people who haven't played the game in months, maybe a year, but we're all so pissed off by what they've done that we need to come back and yell about it.
Yeah, I know. MMO players complain all the time, but it's never been like this before.
Why rollback to a game that was already bad? They need to move forward towards the Ultimate Star Wars MMO. Unfortunately they are doing this on a trian that's off of it's tracks.
But consider what happened. as pointed out in another thread here about why it is hard to let go of swg NOT nge, this is a case not where the players are leaving because they are bored, tired, or out of things to do. This leaving fro most of us was because the makers of the game broke a covenant that has long been held in the industry. They changed the core game, they forced it out and claimed that hsi is what we the paying customer wanted. This would be similar to me as owning a covette and wakign up one morning to be told that the dealership woudl be by later on today and replacing it with a yugo, because studies of Ford owners felt that they woudl buy a chevy if chevy own and sold yugos. Covettes are just to difficult to learn how to drive.
Just for the record, YES some people are enjoying the game. some are even old vets, but at the end of the day the core engine to a pay to play game was radically altered, at least DoaC has a classic server setup. SoE in thier arrogance did not even give us that.
Originally posted by akewlguy no JtL needs to go, it took away from the ground game. Remember when all the doc's where in space? JtL needs to go when the rollback happens, and the only ones that should have any type of toons after the rollback are any Elder Jedi. We made the game thus we should be the first rewarded in the new Pre-CU.
Sorry BZZZT wrong. Jedi didn't 'make the game'. They ruined it. Ask any of us who played Bounty hunters before there were bounties. Or Smugglers. Just a clue: More people played SWG before Jedi were added than any other time in its existance.
Should tell you something.
Currently Playing: Dungeons and Dragons Online. Sig image Pending Still in: A couple Betas
If you weren't so completely full of shit, I'd kick you.
It's real freaking funny how selective your memory is about armor, PvP and the nature of every single vet who TO THIS DAY mourns a game they no longer have because whiney, generalizing meatbags like yourself couldn't think of anyone BUT yourselves and couldn't understand how anyone could POSSIBLY enjoy doing anything but kill-loot-rinse-repeat.
Your long pedigree of games doesn't impress me either, as it doesn't take an uber to have tried that many. I know because I'm pretty freaking far from uber and my list is equally as long. Difference being, you only hear me complaining about ONE of them. NGE. SWG had it's flaws, no doubt, but it WAS better than any of the rest of those games and offered things to socializers, explorers and crafters that nothing else, past or present EVER gave us -- things you trivialize and gloss over in favor of your playstyle -- which is and has almost always been supported and catered to by games.
How DARE you lump all of us into the same stinking pile of uberkids, gankers and slaptards when for all but the last year oif this game, we were the lifeblood and support system that kept your pathetic, whining butt going and made damned sure that you enjoyed yourself. But I suppose to a selfish jackhole like yourself, entertainers and crafters are little more than live NPCs to be used, ignored and discarded when you find some way around using us like toiletpaper. Well thanks so much for flushing, son.
I'll listen to Obraik go on until he's blue in the face about the joys of NGE, because he's above the kind of widescale personal attack you've levelled, and he makes a good point sometimes. But YOU can go zip it until you can make a case without resorting to the baseless, tired and completely ignorant rhetoric that marginalizes everything that no longer exists in any game, anywhere that has left a lot of REALLY good people wondering why our asses hurt so damn much even a half a year or more after the fact of garbage like the CU and the NGE.
As my husband often jokingly says "fuckalottayou".
So from what I can tell MikeMB, you played POST-JtL? Then you technically played a game that had been headed downhill for months by then. The game had serious issues long before that.
i am not a fanboi fanbois like to rp or talk about how pre-cu suck cuz it not like the movie. pre-cu rock it doesn't rock like WoW but it rocks. and it's cuz of fat nooblets like mikemb and wepps that we don't have the pre-cu anymore.
Originally posted by akewlguy i am not a fanboi fanbois like to rp or talk about how pre-cu suck cuz it not like the movie. pre-cu rock it doesn't rock like WoW but it rocks. and it's cuz of fat nooblets like mikemb and wepps that we don't have the pre-cu anymore. GO QUIT NOOBLETS CUZ I WANT MY GAME BACK
Ok, slaptard, how do I put this in words you can understand?
AZHRARN=HUGE PRE-CU LOVER
AZHRARN=HATES NGE
AZHRARN=RPing DORKETTE
AZHRARN=LIKES GAY PEOPLE
AZHRARN=PREFERS USING BIG WORDS
so....
Pre-CU is loved by gayloving, smart roleplay geeks (and women). And this is a GOOD thing.
so....
QUIT CALLING THE NGE LOVERS FAGS AND ROLEPLAYERS YOU NOOB!
I wish a mod would do something about this kid before he decides to kill himself over this shit.
"There's no star system Slave I can't reach, and there's no planet I can't find. There's nowhere in the Galaxy for you to run. Might as well give up now." Boba Fett
Ive been told before not to feed trolls...but he is putting on quite a show, so feel free to continue
"There's no star system Slave I can't reach, and there's no planet I can't find. There's nowhere in the Galaxy for you to run. Might as well give up now." Boba Fett
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the problem with this idea is soe and lucasarts.
how long do you think before they made "sweeping new" changes to the "classic server?"
a year?
6 months?
fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice.....
they could make a classic server free for all i care, theyve completely lost my trust. im having fun with other games now where the companies arent so conceided and self centered. soe's and lucasarts attitude of "telling me whats fun to me" rather than the other way around got old. it was insulting and itll be a cold day in hell before i install another soe product on my pc or on any console i might own down the road.
Games i'm playing right now...
"In short, I thought NGE was a very bad idea" - Raph Koster talking about NGE on his blog at raphkoster.com
Pepi Deto
Colonel Rebel Alliance
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"Any company who tries to 'wait it out' will be just that, out!" - Tommy Boy
There wont be a rollback, they have commited everything into this socalled "upgrade".
Looking at it businesswise, they knew they would loose tons of costumers, and tose costumers will not come back just because a new server opens with the old game, and they all have to start over from scratch. Those costumers are considered lost and only a dreamer would ever think such a betrayal, destroying years of work into a character in one sweep,would be forgiven.
Second: The games was not even considered a success during its Pre- days. Its not like going back would mean tons of costumers and a succesful game, even if people DID come back. They do nto have much to go back to. The fact that they know they killed any contact with the few costumers they actually had, together with the cost of starting special servers for the few lost souls that has not lost faith in the game and the company...
ALL they have now, is a future market, and they know it. They now have to commit 100% to that theoretical new consumer base. As it sems, they are looking at kiddie players on consoles a whole lot more than even considering a rollback.
They burned all ships, then put the few eggs they had in one basket and jumped overboard. And there....
they will drown.
"This is not a game to be tossed aside lightly.
It should be thrown with great force"
I love the sadists that actually liked what was before NGE.
Consoles kiddies? Try a game that isn't a bathtub of bordom. Try a game that actually lets you be a jedi without playing the damn game 6 months... if you're lucky.
I played in all 3 instances of this game and NGE is by far the best. Consoles? I don't even own one. Now the game is actually fun.
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I love the sadists that actually liked what was before NGE.
Consoles kiddies? Try a game that isn't a bathtub of bordom. Try a game that actually lets you be a jedi without playing the damn game 6 months... if you're lucky.
I played in all 3 instances of this game and NGE is by far the best. Consoles? I don't even own one. Now the game is actually fun.
This comming from a guy who has nearly 1000 hours on WoW, 28 this week and is playing it as I type this. Is it a forbidden love you dont want seen other than in your post? Or are you talking out of youre ass?
"There's no star system Slave I can't reach, and there's no planet I can't find. There's nowhere in the Galaxy for you to run. Might as well give up now."
Boba Fett
I seriously feel for everyone who stuck with SWG as long as they did. It crushed my dreams of living my life as a Twi'lek long ago, but I could still see why people stuck with the game. I even considered coming back to it on several occassions. Then this NGE thing came up and made me quite glad I got out when I did. I am already jaded enough in regards to the MMO industry, I did not need something like this.
But to get back on topic, the current team in control of SWG does not care what the players want. They had one of the most solid IPs in the history of MMOs, and they botched their job royally. There will be no rollback, the game will be shut down before that happens.
It would be more efficiant to take this game out back, put it out of its misery (hopefully putting it out from the player's memories) and starting on a new SWG. Would players except SWG 2? Would we bite again if it came out? I would love to say no, but I would end up following its development anyway. Make me a SWG: KOTOR MMO and I might just forget all about that last joke of a game.
I love the sadists that actually liked what was before NGE.
Consoles kiddies? Try a game that isn't a bathtub of bordom. Try a game that actually lets you be a jedi without playing the damn game 6 months... if you're lucky.
I played in all 3 instances of this game and NGE is by far the best. Consoles? I don't even own one. Now the game is actually fun.
This comming from a guy who has nearly 1000 hours on WoW, 28 this week and is playing it as I type this. Is it a forbidden love you dont want seen other than in your post? Or are you talking out of youre ass?
The latter... He's a troll. Please don't feed trolls!
SOE knows what you like... You don't!
And don't forget... I am forcing you to read this!
Us doctors went into space and did our own thing cuz we got tired of doing nothing but buffing all day long. I had to go annonimus because the second I logged on I'd get tells that would not end from people wanting buffs. I like the idea of buffs but I hated the indea that they were needed for anyone to do anything.
Disregarding how hard it was to solo post-CU, I did like the fact that there was more than one way to go as a jedi, unlike how it was before, and is again now. I like a light side, and a dark side, and a rear inbetween side. I'd like to see those aspects braught back BUT I never enjoyed seeing people running around in happyland with their robes and sabers out in front of darth vader himself without any negative side effects. I expect jedi to die like dogs, or at least be attacked. I was one of the few who took care to respect the way the timeline should have been treated, though SOE did very little to help.
This game should be designed for the true fans of star wars first, make the game into a fun, but realistic modle. If they want a billion jedi running around in the open, fine then advance the time line, or make people be covert about who they are, and those that are not have more than to worry about a puny BH hunting them, but the stormtroopers jumping them, etc. Never am i saying there shouldn't be jedi, just have it tuff to obtain (but not impossible) and require not being a leet asshole who has no respect for the timeline or you pay the price
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Im sorry sir, it will never happen again
"There's no star system Slave I can't reach, and there's no planet I can't find. There's nowhere in the Galaxy for you to run. Might as well give up now."
Boba Fett
Congrats really, you are why I support the NGE and what's going on with SWG in a nutshell. First off I am a long time MMO player, from the days of Neverwinter Nights being on AOL, to UO both the so called 'golden age' of UO where pkers ruled the land and up till Age of Shadows. I've been on EQ, FFXI and WoW (a game that imho is slowly going down hill like I said it would in 2004) And you clearly show why the NGE was more then likely needed...
I signed up to SWG due to the fact that it was going to have an in game space/dogfight game, I grew up on games like Wing Commander and X-Wing. And also due to the fact that I grew up on Star Wars, when I was a kid I had the toys everything from an AT-AT Walker down to a Y-Wing Starfighter. I'd play with other kids around the block with are toy Lightsabers and Blasters. When I heard in 2001 news about a Star Wars MMO I was insane about the game. I had news sites bookmarked about it, I drooled over every pic and told friends in games of Jedi Knight Outcast how great SWG was going to be... Now I didn't go to the game right away, like I said long time MMO player so I knew that SWG would have bugs, that everyone and there mother would be there at launch, and that giving the game a few months would be the best bet. So me and a few friends went and played FFXI and before Jump to Lightspeed came out I logged in for the first time and what did I see?
Everyone in the same armor, a Jedi running around waving his lightsaber screaming about how he could own any 'newbie' that came his way. A small PvP fight where one guy with a Pike and his buddy a Combat Medic killed a few other guys in no time at all, namely with knockdown/dizzy and the insane DOT's they where useing. Oh yeah then that Jedi had two BH's go after him, the first was a MBH/MCarbineer who got killed in no time. The other a BH/TKM held his own namely by getting a Knockdown/Dizzy off before the Jedi could do anything... Oh yeah and I did like the skill system, I mean I remember it from UO... Infact the game played like a dumbed down 3d UO imho...
And I remember the Jump to Lightspeed launch... How a few of the 'vet' guildmembers of the guild I was in said the same thing you said... Space was killing the ground game, SOE had no right to add it and that Jump to Lightspeed should have been removed from the game. It's sad really cuz Space didn't die due to the NGE or CU, it died cuz players like yourself Mr.Kewlguy had to have there way and played the card you yourself have played... I remember Deep Space at one time being jumping, before the CU hit on my server I was lucky to find a fellow Rebel or an Tie Pilot to fight...
Ya know the funny thing is I've been dealing with players like you for years now, when you don't get your way you run onto any and I mean any fourm and cry. You claim your 'love' for the game and how everything was better with the old system/ruleset/pvp system/whatever and how the game needs to be rolled back so you and your guildmates can run around like gods again. I saw this on UO, not once but two times! First when they did remove Player Killing, and hey the Player Killers where warned, EA/OSI didn't say it, but it was there... Players like yourself laughed and posted pics of your latest 'hunt' ending with crashing an role played wedding and doing a colorful emote on the brides body that would get you arrested in real life. On UO we got Trammel and players like you claimed the game would die in 4 months unless EA/OSI did a rollback. They didn't and that was 2000, and again in 2003 everyone cried over Age of Shadows... It was a big change to UO and yet everyone claimed UO was going to die... Wow again it didn't!
Ya know what I didn't want a 'pvp' game with SWG, I didn't want a game where I was 'forced' to play your way or go back to FFXI! I wanted this thing called a 'Star Wars' game, ya know based on a line of movies (tho we will ingore Ep 1) books, comics and video games (and a TV show in 2007!) I don't think for a min that LA or SOE would really think or feel that "Oh gee everyone will love this!" both make games for a living, hell some of SWG's staff where Ex-UO dev team members and they know how much players love change. They also saw that from the CU as well... And before you say "But I was a Jedi for a year, and had all kinds of uber stuff and played longer and..." Congrats! Your now a member of the MMO club! GAMES CHANGE! Think UO is the same game after all those years? Think EQ is the same just as it was when it came out? Think no game besides SWG has bugs, or lag or anything like that? Before you say "WoW" please spare me, everyone lies and Blizzard gets away with ALOT due to Blizzard being the golden child of the gaming world.
And ya know I get the feeling by 'working hard' for Jedi I think you really mean "Ebaying one with mommy's Mastercard." Hey now you know why some of us MMO Vets along with others have been saying "Don't buy anything for a game off Ebay!" Sucks to be you I guess, but hey you got a robe out of it!
Still getting back on track, it's the players like you that killed the Pre-CU Kewlguy. Your the one that cried and moaned to get things your way. Your the one like others that just saw the game as one big game of Counter-Strike or whatever you kids play. Your the ones that found little things like defence stacking, your the one that did the afk grind with his buddy's not to role play a Jedi, but so you could have an easyer time in PvP. Your the one that told SOE "#### the space game work on ground unless it's Jedi Powers in space!" Your the one that powergamed, and used every trick in the book to stay on top and told any newbies that showed up "get jedi then you can play!" Something I heard on my first day, when a Jedi player desided to start killing everything I was fighting cuz he believed it was funny...
So really congrats, now your at everyones level and it's a balanced (tho yes it needs work) playing field. And now maybe now we can get things like Ground Flight or a Space GCW, and yes the game isn't doing well but hell look at the Matrix Online and other games. So why don't you do this if you really want something in SWG... Ask for a PvP Server or just quit and go to WoW if you love it so much.
"Congrats really, you are why I support the NGE and what's going on with SWG in a nutshell. First off I am a long time MMO player, from the days of Neverwinter Nights being on AOL, to UO both the so called 'golden age' of UO where pkers ruled the land and up till Age of Shadows. I've been on EQ, FFXI and WoW (a game that imho is slowly going down hill like I said it would in 2004) And you clearly show why the NGE was more then likely needed..."
followed by...
"Everyone in the same armor"
followed by...
"Ya know the funny thing is I've been dealing with players like you for years now, when you don't get your way you run onto any and I mean any fourm and cry. You claim your 'love' for the game and how everything was better with the old system/ruleset/pvp system/whatever and how the game needs to be rolled back so you and your guildmates can run around like gods again. I saw this on UO, not once but two times! First when they did remove Player Killing, and hey the Player Killers where warned, EA/OSI didn't say it, but it was there... Players like yourself laughed and posted pics of your latest 'hunt' ending with crashing an role played wedding and doing a colorful emote on the brides body that would get you arrested in real life. On UO we got Trammel and players like you claimed the game would die in 4 months unless EA/OSI did a rollback. They didn't and that was 2000, and again in 2003 everyone cried over Age of Shadows... It was a big change to UO and yet everyone claimed UO was going to die... Wow again it didn't"
followed by...
"GAMES CHANGE! Think UO is the same game after all those years? Think EQ is the same just as it was when it came out? Think no game besides SWG has bugs, or lag or anything like that? Before you say "WoW" please spare me, everyone lies and Blizzard gets away with ALOT due to Blizzard being the golden child of the gaming world."
followed by...
"Still getting back on track, it's the players like you that killed the Pre-CU Kewlguy. Your the one that cried and moaned to get things your way. Your the one like others that just saw the game as one big game of Counter-Strike or whatever you kids play."
followed by..
"So really congrats, now your at everyones level and it's a balanced (tho yes it needs work) playing field. And now maybe now we can get things like Ground Flight or a Space GCW, and yes the game isn't doing well but hell look at the Matrix Online and other games. So why don't you do this if you really want something in SWG... Ask for a PvP Server or just quit and go to WoW if you love it so much. "
You sir are exactly the kind of player I hate. I am going to throw just about everything back at you.. that you threw at another poster.
You start off with UO but the moment you do that you show what kind of person/gamer you are. You obviously don't like pvp based on multiple comments you make. That is fine..
What isn't so fine is you listed every person who did like pvp as being a griefer. You go farther saying they are children and want it their way or no way. I do NOT like pvp... I did fight back in UO and I did pvp in DAoC. Its not my favorite thing but I've done it.
Yet I personally can realize there were people who like to pvp. They actually did fight other people who liked to pvp. They didn't hide behind the idea "it was more of a challenge". Yet based that challenge on hitting the running miner (harder to hit a moving target) or various other grief tactics.
They never forced their version of the game on others.
DAoC used to be a friendly pvp place. Lately after I suppose the people who do fit you description had figured out WoW pvp sucked. They seemed to show up in DAoC and I finally quit for the last time.
So anything you have experienced due to pvp so have I. Yet I'll never try to lump every person who did it into a sterotype like you did. You never once in this post say "some" or even just "most". You sterotype every one of them into being certain things. That shows me things about your character and you do it so easy. Which leads me to believe you sterotype a lot of things.
Then when you finally come back around to this game... you start right off with:
"Everyone in the same armor"
Somewhere in your post you followed that up with a general statement about how... You had to play "their" way or go back to FFXI.
Problem is myself and in fact most everyone I played with .. didn't run around in composite armor. I mean I know without asking composite was "the same armor".
I played a Bio-Engineer / Creature Handler.
Do I have YOU to thank for losing those? Obviously you support the NGE and think it was needed. So once again do I thank you for this?
I love this part:
"GAMES CHANGE! Think UO is the same game after all those years? Think EQ is the same just as it was when it came out? Think no game besides SWG has bugs, or lag or anything like that? Before you say "WoW" please spare me, everyone lies and Blizzard gets away with ALOT due to Blizzard being the golden child of the gaming world."
Um.. ok games change but since when has that ever included removing classes? Well in SWG they called them professions.
Ya I mean my bio engineer / creature handler. My professions don't even exist any more. It would seem based on some cry to level the play field that must have come from you...
UO never said ok we are removing the following skill tree. EQ never said ok we are removing so many classes and will now just have 9 ICONIC rpg classes left.
Can you imagine what would happen to Blizzards multiple millions of subscriptions if they said... Ok we are removing the following classes.
Sorry Sir but that was the most idiotic remark I have ever seen.
And my major problem is you think this is all ok because...
"Ask for a PvP Server or just quit and go to WoW if you love it so much."
So the truth of the matter is all of your complaints through your entire post have to do with PvP. Well um..
You know before Trammel in UO outside guard zones ya it was free for all. Yet in SWG it never was. If you didn't declare of even if you did... but you were covert you were never affected by any of that.
Oh wait how do I know... because I played the game from beta right until it was ruined. NGE to me = No Game Experience.
PvP never affected me any more than people who were soloing night sister elders and the like. I didn't do it and I didn't give a crap that other people did. I just played MY game!
Yes it bothered me that some idiot was out front of a space port flailing a light saber around while flagged as a rebel. Walking up to Darth Vaders landing party shouting profanity.
Why? because Darth and various other Imperial npc's should have taken him off some place to never be seen again. Not because of profanity or even the idiot behaviour. But because it didn't fit game fiction or anything we knew of Star Wars. Yet that was my only real problem with it.
You seem to let how others played the game that shouldn't even have affected you... totally dominate your experience.
Your whole post just boggles me as much as the moves SOE is making lately. You make statements like SWG isn't doing well but look at MxO and others. Well great so SOE now owns MxO as well and has two totally craptastic games player base wise. Oh wait they are giving a free client for Planetside because that game is doing so well.
Oh wait they are shutting down EQ2 in asia because for a company based in Japan they have never succeeded in the asian market. (eq1 shut down after 1 year in asia and swg japan servers went good bye). Since you talk about UO in this thread... UO has multiple asian servers that are all still running. In their recent (this last month) newletter they are mapping out the next 2 years of game changes/updates. Yet SOE a company as noted based in Japan cannot succeed in that region. They blamed WoW as so dominating the market that EQ2 couldn't make it there. Yet as noted Ultima Online runs their just fine. Makes me wonder what the average person in Asia thinks of SOE.
You make comments how people claimed Trammel was the end of UO but blah blah. I never said that it would be the end. I in fact enjoyed Trammel.. What killed UO for me was someone filing a lawsuit against them.. because they weren't paid to be a volunteer. At which point I could no longer be a Seer in the Interest Teams so I left for good.
Oh another difference between UO and SWG.. at this point in time UO has more paying subs than SWG. Trust me that is a rather big difference to have.
I seriously start to have a major problem even trying to find logic in your post.
One of the first things you said was how WoW was going down hill just as you predicted in 2004. Hey I don't play the game either.. But they aren't losing the total subscription numbers.. they aren't staying at a certain cap they are GAINING subs.
I don't see how one of the few not just growing but 6 million+ and still growing games is going down hill. The community on the forums has always been horrible but its very successful and will be for a long time... I just still don't follow how its going down hill while its still a blockbuster in any meaningful way.
So to round out an equally long ramble as yours...
You are the kind of gamer that really irritates me.
Somehow you've let the game other people play dominate your experience right from the start. You've resented or been jealous of other gamers in every instance you've listed of your experience.
I just cannot grasp that.
I never cared what other people did. Ya in UO people griefed me so guess what.. I killed their pixels and took their stuff. When Trammel opened I never looked back and really didn't care.
Yet I somehow knew that there were people who actually enjoyed pvp from each side of the fight. I never have tried to lump every gamer into some category just because... I was upset or even delusional.
I actually realized that PvP in SWG was optional without a pvp server. I even realized that there were a lot of people in composite.. a ton of jedi's... people who solo'd what should be group/raid content.
And? I never cared... I just played MY game MY way.
Until someone like you came along and said the NGE was needed.
Thanks... thanks alot.
*edited* I tried to clean up some of the grammatics and clear up one line.
"I never said that it would be the end. I in fact enjoyed Trammel"
I originally had it worded as: I never said that I enjoyed Trammel.
Which seemed to say when I read it that I never liked it.. rather than I never said it was the end of the game and in fact enjoyed that area.
Good post, Antarious. Well said.
Is it just me, or is the SWG forum the most active forum on this site? This isn't the average "players whining because they don't like change". This forum is filled with people who haven't played the game in months, maybe a year, but we're all so pissed off by what they've done that we need to come back and yell about it.
Yeah, I know. MMO players complain all the time, but it's never been like this before.
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Why rollback to a game that was already bad? They need to move forward towards the Ultimate Star Wars MMO. Unfortunately they are doing this on a trian that's off of it's tracks.
I find it unusal yes,
But consider what happened. as pointed out in another thread here about why it is hard to let go of swg NOT nge, this is a case not where the players are leaving because they are bored, tired, or out of things to do. This leaving fro most of us was because the makers of the game broke a covenant that has long been held in the industry. They changed the core game, they forced it out and claimed that hsi is what we the paying customer wanted. This would be similar to me as owning a covette and wakign up one morning to be told that the dealership woudl be by later on today and replacing it with a yugo, because studies of Ford owners felt that they woudl buy a chevy if chevy own and sold yugos. Covettes are just to difficult to learn how to drive.
Just for the record, YES some people are enjoying the game. some are even old vets, but at the end of the day the core engine to a pay to play game was radically altered, at least DoaC has a classic server setup. SoE in thier arrogance did not even give us that.
Never
And no, I don't play WoW. It sucks worse than NGE. I play DAOC and am Beta Testing BattleTech: Inner Sphere Wars.
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Sorry BZZZT wrong. Jedi didn't 'make the game'. They ruined it. Ask any of us who played Bounty hunters before there were bounties. Or Smugglers. Just a clue: More people played SWG before Jedi were added than any other time in its existance.
Should tell you something.
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If you weren't so completely full of shit, I'd kick you.
It's real freaking funny how selective your memory is about armor, PvP and the nature of every single vet who TO THIS DAY mourns a game they no longer have because whiney, generalizing meatbags like yourself couldn't think of anyone BUT yourselves and couldn't understand how anyone could POSSIBLY enjoy doing anything but kill-loot-rinse-repeat.
Your long pedigree of games doesn't impress me either, as it doesn't take an uber to have tried that many. I know because I'm pretty freaking far from uber and my list is equally as long. Difference being, you only hear me complaining about ONE of them. NGE. SWG had it's flaws, no doubt, but it WAS better than any of the rest of those games and offered things to socializers, explorers and crafters that nothing else, past or present EVER gave us -- things you trivialize and gloss over in favor of your playstyle -- which is and has almost always been supported and catered to by games.
How DARE you lump all of us into the same stinking pile of uberkids, gankers and slaptards when for all but the last year oif this game, we were the lifeblood and support system that kept your pathetic, whining butt going and made damned sure that you enjoyed yourself. But I suppose to a selfish jackhole like yourself, entertainers and crafters are little more than live NPCs to be used, ignored and discarded when you find some way around using us like toiletpaper. Well thanks so much for flushing, son.
I'll listen to Obraik go on until he's blue in the face about the joys of NGE, because he's above the kind of widescale personal attack you've levelled, and he makes a good point sometimes. But YOU can go zip it until you can make a case without resorting to the baseless, tired and completely ignorant rhetoric that marginalizes everything that no longer exists in any game, anywhere that has left a lot of REALLY good people wondering why our asses hurt so damn much even a half a year or more after the fact of garbage like the CU and the NGE.
As my husband often jokingly says "fuckalottayou".
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So from what I can tell MikeMB, you played POST-JtL? Then you technically played a game that had been headed downhill for months by then. The game had serious issues long before that.
i am not a fanboi fanbois like to rp or talk about how pre-cu suck cuz it not like the movie. pre-cu rock it doesn't rock like WoW but it rocks. and it's cuz of fat nooblets like mikemb and wepps that we don't have the pre-cu anymore.
GO QUIT NOOBLETS CUZ I WANT MY GAME BACK
Ok, slaptard, how do I put this in words you can understand?
AZHRARN=HUGE PRE-CU LOVER
AZHRARN=HATES NGE
AZHRARN=RPing DORKETTE
AZHRARN=LIKES GAY PEOPLE
AZHRARN=PREFERS USING BIG WORDS
so....
Pre-CU is loved by gayloving, smart roleplay geeks (and women). And this is a GOOD thing.
so....
QUIT CALLING THE NGE LOVERS FAGS AND ROLEPLAYERS YOU NOOB!
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I wish a mod would do something about this kid before he decides to kill himself over this shit.
"There's no star system Slave I can't reach, and there's no planet I can't find. There's nowhere in the Galaxy for you to run. Might as well give up now."
Boba Fett
Seriously, do you think I'm going to give him a stroke? Maybe I should stop poking him...
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...............................Nah.
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Ive been told before not to feed trolls...but he is putting on quite a show, so feel free to continue
"There's no star system Slave I can't reach, and there's no planet I can't find. There's nowhere in the Galaxy for you to run. Might as well give up now."
Boba Fett