@nariusseldon not popular "in your opinion". The other 7 billion people on this lovely planet earth disagree with you, since they too have not opened their wallet on these other games you call "popular".
my opinion .. certainly.
Also blizz opinion .. they are not making a new classical design mmorpg, are they? In fact, they scrap one, and now they are making a new shooter, after a card game, and a MOBA.
And which western AAA dev is making a new classical design AAA mmorpg?
and 7B .. all disgree with me .. you include those tens of millions who are playing LoL? And those millions who left WoW? You must be counting only the 500k who play Eve!
Read again, my previous post which I added some things about Blizzard at the end....oh and for a long time Blizz choose not to because it was their belief they would compete with themselves delivering another product in the same genre. So, they went after all these other genres you mentioned like FPS, RTS, MOBA, ARPG, Card games, and the cinema.
Now though...since their main product has lost foothold in the market, based on how Legion performs they will truly know where they will go from there.
Read again, my previous post which I added some things about Blizzard at the end....oh and for a long time Blizz choose not to because it was their belief they would compete with themselves delivering another product in the same genre. So, they went after all these other genres you mentioned like FPS, RTS, MOBA, ARPG, Card games, and the cinema.
Now though...since their main product has lost foothold in the market, based on how Legion performs they will truly know where they will go from there.
yeah ... keep telling yourself that .. and ignore the fact that no western AAA devs are making a new classical MMORPGs.
Yeah .. it must be because they are ignoring a huge huge market .. because they just don't want to make money. May be you should set them straight and remind them that 7 BILLION people want to play classical mmorpg.
@op try dark souls, dark souls 2, bloodborne if you want to use skill and have to learn a fight to win. Skyrim was amazing, mass effect 3 also amazing, fallout 4, fallout 3, all great games. Mmorpgs are pretty mmuch dead in my opinion, though there appears to be some interesting looking ones in the next 3 years. I wish they would just go back to paying a monthly fee or simply buy to play, free to play games always suck. Also I think we need to start a consumer protection agency to sue some gaming companies for selling anything that should be included in the game. Wow has become terrible for this they sell gold, powerleveling, mounts and pets not obtainable in game while asking for 15$ a month, its completely outrageous. Then they reinforce the powerleveling purchase by making a specific class op for a few months before deciding to finally nerf them then pick a new lottery winning class. The fotm bullshit formula also allows players of that class to just completely sell being carried through content which should just be banable offense.
Okay, wow, I didn't expect this thread to blow up so much. I'll try to respond to everything, but as you can imagine, I won't be quoting a whole lot.
So, a lot of people are saying that gaming hasn't changed, that I'm the real issue... and I call bullshit. So, let's look at some of my older favorite games, like Majora's Mask, OoT (played it so many times I can't forget it), SM64, SMSS, Twilight Princess and so on. if I take a long enough break that I forget a lot of the solutions, and forget all the minor details in the story, I can have a blast! But, once I play them, they're just not fun anymore, since I know what's going to happen. Now, let's look at a more modern game that I picked up recently, and got quickly bored of: Fallout 4. Oh sure, it was fun for a little while, but after maybe 20 hours, I just got so tired of it that I couldn't play anymore. Haven't even started the game for well over a month. Now, I played WoW for 10 years and loved it, and then Draenor came out and ruined everything for me. No, it wasn't super hard, but it was fun. The classes were interesting, the lore was fantastic, and the world felt alive. So, I went and tried other MMOs. I got to max level, started raiding, and just got bored. You hear of Wildstar? I got bored on my first character by the time I hit level 20. Eventually I maxed every class (I had nothing else to play or do, so why not?), and got into raiding almost every day. The first time was fun, since I had never done it, but after wiping 10-20 times, I just got bored. The fights were pathetic, very predictable, and not at all fun. Combine that with very spammy, repetitive combat, and the game just wasn't fun.
I tried GW2, and while it was fun at first, the lack of content just drove me away. I tried FFXIV, and the 2.5s GCD that basically eliminated any effort made the game boring. I tried TERA, and the fact that it was basically porn, coupled with spammy, repetitive combat, just made me leave. I tried RIFT, but it just felt clunky, and didn't really flow all that well. I tried Blade and Soul, but I can only click my left mouse button so many times before it gets old.
So, yeah, gaming has changed. Just a bit. I can go back to the games I enjoyed in the past, and still enjoy them. However, I just can't enjoy a game that has nothing to enjoy. Rose-tinted goggles have nothing to do with it, it's just that I don't find games with no story, no dynamic combat (as in, you do more than spam 1-5 buttons), absurd sexualization, and no real effort of any kind put in to be fun. Sure, most people these days do, but then they don't really know what a quality game looks like, or what engaging combat is.
Next, a lot of people seem to think I'm insulting them with my whole moron comment. Honestly, I kind of am. These days, entertainment across the board is designed with the lowest intelligence in mind, so that a child or special needs person could throw money at the developer/producer/whatever. So, when we have all these games that are just absolutely pathetic, I can't help but get bored with them. Though so many people tell me that these games are so hard, so fun, all that... if I had 50 points shaved off my IQ, maybe I could learn to love things again. There would be TV shows I enjoy, books that I find worth reading, games I actually have fun playing... life would be a lot better, that's for sure. So, I'm not directly insulting anyone, but I am at the same time, if that makes sense.
And about hard games: Dark Souls? Please. I played Dark Souls 1 without internet (didn't have Live at the time, rarely played Xbox), and beat it with little to no issue. Dark Souls 2 I played without a shield, and did the entire game while dual-wielding cestis (you know, minimum range, no blocking, nothing) and wearing light armor. There was only ever one boss that I summoned people for, and did the rest on my own, again with little to no issue. So, please, don't tell me that Dark Souls is some shining example of a challenging game. Once you learn the pattern and spot the tells, you really can't lose. Though, honestly, I can't really think of a game that was truly challenging for me. I loved WoW, I loved Zelda, loved Mario, Pokemon, all those... none of them were hard, but they were fun. And that's what a lot of games forgot how to do, is make fun content regardless of difficulty.
But, yeah, some good games do exist, but they're very far and few between -- and most of them are on such small budgets that they last for all of 8 hours or so, or aren't fully fleshed out. Like, Ori and the Blind Forest. That game was a blast, and I couldn't put it down! And when the artists hand-paint every bit of the landscape, and there's no copy-pasting like in a lot of other games, you can tell they care about their game, and are willing to go the extra mile to ensure the game is the best they can do. But, it just wasn't all that hard, so I ended up finishing the game (with 100% completion) in ~8.5 hours. And, while I could pick it up and play it again sometime down the road, it just wouldn't be as much fun, since I would know the story, and all the solutions to everything. So, sure, some good games do exist still, but they're one in a million. And, once those companies get a taste of the money potential, they go corrupt.
However, I've never seen any good MMOs come out in the last 10 years or so. They're either just badly done (RIFT, etc.), are incredibly boring (TERA, FFXIV, BnS) or just don't have any kind of content available beyond what comes in the box (GW2, etc.). I've tried almost every MMO you can think of, trying to find a game to fill the void and a place to call home... but it just seems like none exist anymore. So I have single-player games that last me 8-10 hours on average, and League (which, honestly, is boring, but it's better than staring at wall and sleeping when I'm not working).
I just wish people weren't so greedy. I miss having new games to look forward to. I miss having TV shows that I'd get up on Saturdays to watch with my family or stay up on Friday night to watch. I miss having books to read when I didn't feel like doing anything... Things were better. But, life is full of change, and not always for the better.
OP your post above shows after all that you are part of the reason why gaming is at the current state. You've helped to support new games that have come out with mediocre/bad quality. If they can continue to be able to release the same and take $ from players like you their mission is accomplished.
In the last 5 years and 3 weeks I've spent $0.00 on a new game. So, I did my part, but complaining that games aren't up to your standard while spending $ for some of them....Voting with our wallet might not be a factor for what comes in our future, but it surely plays a role. Free to play has been dominant over the years thanks to players like me. We get more for less, although I would prefer to get MORE cuz I could gladly afford the $. Sadly, too many rookie and greedy companies out there who prey on individuals like you, who will be more lenient and forgiving for their mediocre quality that comes with low budgets and less risks.
Next, a lot of people seem to think I'm insulting them with my whole moron comment. Honestly, I kind of am. These days, entertainment across the board is designed with the lowest intelligence in mind, so that a child or special needs person could throw money at the developer/producer/whatever. So, when we have all these games that are just absolutely pathetic, I can't help but get bored with them. Though so many people tell me that these games are so hard, so fun, all that... if I had 50 points shaved off my IQ, maybe I could learn to love things again. There would be TV shows I enjoy, books that I find worth reading, games I actually have fun playing... life would be a lot better, that's for sure. So, I'm not directly insulting anyone, but I am at the same time, if that makes sense.
It makes perfect sense, . You've attained such a high level of superiority over your fellow earthlings...that now there is nothing what so ever for you to enjoy in any medium of entertainment.. everything is made for lesser beings than yourself by lesser beings than yourself... Hopefully we'll all get there someday, but I'm not betting on us yet.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Not bother quoting the ops last message, but.......this is so sad.
First off the story your talking about, only console games. Sorry kiddo. Story isnt the main drive of MMO's, never has been. Theres countless game for console right now that having amazing stories (mass effects witchers, not gonna list more cause its retarded)
When wow was first taking off, do you think people cared for the story??? NOPE! It was the idea! not the story! The idea of playing wiht many other people! Thats what drives mmo's. Competeting and grouping wiht other people!!! Something consoles didnt do as much. Until now.
Im sorry man, but I honestly dont think you have to shave anything off ur IQ, id say its low enough, any more and you would be specialized.
Unfounded generalisations - check. Lack of specific examples - check. Pretends hes smarter than the general market - check. Money grab accusations - check. Overdramatising - check. Games are easy complaint - check.
This is 10/10 read right there. The novelty is just off the scale.
Basically sums up 90% of the threads on this site. I mean it makes for an entertaining read, but it's incredibly depressing that these people exist.
There are lots of good games right next to the chaff. There might be more Zyngas than CD Projekt Reds but If you can't find them, it's your own fault: you're looking in the wrong places.
It's the same with anything else in entertainment... music, movies, TV: lots of crap but some very good stuff as well.
There is also Prozac
well .... your "Lots of good Games " is subjective for sure , i dont share that opinion .. there may be a 1/2 a dozen good games imo ... Just as in your Opinion there are lots .. And you are welcome to that .. So why does it bother you that the op doesnt share that opnion ..?
your second sentence is obvious and true , and applies to every form of entertainment,food,clothingetc.. there is obviously , and barley needs saying ..
your third seems to be an insult or attack on the OP
What's a more realistic view of gaming today
1. All games suck
2. There is a shit ton of games - some amazing, some bad and everything else in between
The OP is clearly closer to 1 - which is simply mistaken. It's not an opinion it's factually wrong.
Prove it if it is :"fact."
While we're at it, let's prove water is wet, fire is hot, and "The Donald" is an idiot.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
What you can say is that based on your everyday experience, water and fire in the conditions you experience behave in a certain way. That doesn't mean that those properties persist in conditions which are not common in everyday life.
I miss having books to read when I didn't feel like doing anything... Things were better.
I can't really spare time to dissect the rest of your post. But are you saying have you read all the good books and there are no good books left to read anymore?
Also.. You read books when you don't feel like doing anything else? Well, maybe you should feed that big brain of yours more books instead of challenging video games before you run around the forums and call people morons. Just a suggestion
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In the last 5 years and 3 weeks I've spent $0.00 on a new game.
I don't know which one I have a harder time believing, your repetitive $0.00 boast or the op having done it all with one eye closed and one hand tied behind his back... honestly, I think I tend to believe him more.
Anyways... both of you make me think of this...
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
What you can say is that based on your everyday experience, water and fire in the conditions you experience behave in a certain way. That doesn't mean that those properties persist in conditions which are not common in everyday life.
Well obviously fire does not burn the OP, he's above it.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Unfounded generalisations - check. Lack of specific examples - check. Pretends hes smarter than the general market - check. Money grab accusations - check. Overdramatising - check. Games are easy complaint - check.
This is 10/10 read right there. The novelty is just off the scale.
Basically sums up 90% of the threads on this site. I mean it makes for an entertaining read, but it's incredibly depressing that these people exist.
Maybe it's not been the best delivery, but I tend to agree with the OP, or at least feel its pain.
Things have changed, and it's not just the nostalgy calling. Let's put an example: should one compare the trend from "Dark Heart of Uukrul", or even "Morrowind", to "Skyrim", he will notice that things have gone more arcade, simpler and more constrained functionally, in spite of the huge improvements on both the graphics and sound departments. Games, in general, are more based on the twitch than on the thought process. Another example, it's the evolution (or involution) from Fallout 1&2 to the latest iteration: Many of you will say that it's the second coming, while for me it's nothing but a cinematic arcade in an open world, with very few possiblities for RPG.
Gaming is big business now, so big that the publishers can dictate what features must a particular game have, in the name of accesibility, gamification, or because it seems that people dig certain features, like an online aspect (even if it doesn't fit a particular game or genre). In summary, a game, very especially the ones published by big corps, should be played by the maximum number of people, this is the estrategy; which leads us to the "minimum common denominator" syndrome. I think it's not necessary to explain this...
Playing certain games doesn't define one's intelligence, neither it's a reason for any sort of superiority. But, some of us look for something more than killing time. We like to that our gaming feels relevant and satisfying; not on the same level as playing guitar or writing a poem but somehow close...
What I don't share with the OP is his pessimism. Personally, I've found my shelter with Paradox Games: EU4, CK2, Cities:Skylines (although i still play SC4, which is much better). And we'll always have EVE, of course. There'll always be nitches for the rarest of us. To each their own, i guess.
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.
Sometimes, I hate having a brain. If I was a moron, all these games would be fun. You know, I used to dream of developing my own games, composing my own
soundtracks, telling my own stories... I just don't know anymore. Childhood dreams are silly anyway.
Welcoem to the capitalism of mmorpgs. I agree with you, but not all is wasted, there are games that continue to be made with passion and aren't just moneygrabs, LiF:MMO, The Repopulation, Albion, Crowfall, new Darkfall, Chronicles of Elyria, etc... you have a choice, far from the same themepark formula.
Sure they are all indie companies and subpar products compared to AAA capitalist moneymaker machines, but they are 100 times more fun, more engaging, more friedly, more a community that all the crap that we have nowadays.
Don't be so negative, just don't support capitalist brawlers and wait for the indie true sandbox experience.
OP your post above shows after all that you are part of the reason why gaming is at the current state. You've helped to support new games that have come out with mediocre/bad quality. If they can continue to be able to release the same and take $ from players like you their mission is accomplished.
In the last 5 years and 3 weeks I've spent $0.00 on a new game. So, I did my part, but complaining that games aren't up to your standard while spending $ for some of them....Voting with our wallet might not be a factor for what comes in our future, but it surely plays a role. Free to play has been dominant over the years thanks to players like me. We get more for less, although I would prefer to get MORE cuz I could gladly afford the $. Sadly, too many rookie and greedy companies out there who prey on individuals like you, who will be more lenient and forgiving for their mediocre quality that comes with low budgets and less risks.
"Free to play" isn't free though. It exists to decrease queue times for games like Hearthstone and mobas, and make the game more populated and therefore livelier in MMOs. You spend time which is a resource much more valuable than money in most cases.
I would disagree, the time I spent in F2P games, is the same time I would spend in a paid game, or watching TV/youtube, or reading or any other entertainment activity. That time isnt spent any more wisely or poorly by playing a F2P game rather than anything else.
Next, a lot of people seem to think I'm insulting them with my whole moron comment. Honestly, I kind of am. These days, entertainment across the board is designed with the lowest intelligence in mind, so that a child or special needs person could throw money at the developer/producer/whatever. So, when we have all these games that are just absolutely pathetic, I can't help but get bored with them. Though so many people tell me that these games are so hard, so fun, all that... if I had 50 points shaved off my IQ, maybe I could learn to love things again. There would be TV shows I enjoy, books that I find worth reading, games I actually have fun playing... life would be a lot better, that's for sure. So, I'm not directly insulting anyone, but I am at the same time, if that makes sense.
I'm sorry but if you think old MMORPGs were more challenging than newer ones then you're the moron.
But'll let you off, you were probably 10 years old at the time and very naive.
EDIT: Actually, if you're 22 now then you would've been 10 when WoW released. 4 When UO, EQ released? O.o
I'd love to know what old games you found challenging.
If it isn't fun any more, stop doing it. You know you are in trouble when you stop considering your own enjoyment and start worrying about whether someone out there is being "greedy". It's a kind of projection.
I agree with the OP. As it stands now the only game I am playing is Minecraft with my wife and step daughter, Well and NHL 16. Other than that I am filling my free time with other things and I doubt I will ever come back to the level of gaming I was at just 2 years ago. Too many CEOs today are all about the bottom line vs making a game they love. Do you need to concern yourself with making a profit. Yes you do, no game or MMO can operate on a loss but thinking you will be the next WOW just because what happened is a bunch of BS. Can you learn from WOW, YEP, but thinking you will copy and paste WOW and win is a bunch of crap.
OP your post above shows after all that you are part of the reason why gaming is at the current state. You've helped to support new games that have come out with mediocre/bad quality. If they can continue to be able to release the same and take $ from players like you their mission is accomplished.
In the last 5 years and 3 weeks I've spent $0.00 on a new game. So, I did my part, but complaining that games aren't up to your standard while spending $ for some of them....Voting with our wallet might not be a factor for what comes in our future, but it surely plays a role. Free to play has been dominant over the years thanks to players like me. We get more for less, although I would prefer to get MORE cuz I could gladly afford the $. Sadly, too many rookie and greedy companies out there who prey on individuals like you, who will be more lenient and forgiving for their mediocre quality that comes with low budgets and less risks.
"Free to play" isn't free though. It exists to decrease queue times for games like Hearthstone and mobas, and make the game more populated and therefore livelier in MMOs. You spend time which is a resource much more valuable than money in most cases.
I would disagree, the time I spent in F2P games, is the same time I would spend in a paid game, or watching TV/youtube, or reading or any other entertainment activity. That time isnt spent any more wisely or poorly by playing a F2P game rather than anything else.
What you claim to be your honest opinions doesn't refute my argument though. If people "playing" those games for "free" stopped, that would result in the "game" dying completely before long and result in no profits for the companies. They make money of people "playing" their "game" for "free".
Why the quotes? they are playing a game at no cost to them, therefore free. That they are contributing to an envrionment that is profitable to the company making the game doesnt make it any less free to those not spending money. If this is the old "you are the product being sold" line, then, well, yeah, you arent paying for the game, fair trade imo.
BTW, whether you pay to play a game or don't pay to play a game, if you are playing it, you're supporting it. The more people who play the game, the more people who will try it... in a nutshell, if you think by not paying you are changing anything, you're not. You are just as much an enabler as those that pay.
The only way to truly make a statement about a game is to not to play it... anything less is giving your support.
This is why F2P games even exist... to draw in the people who wouldn't pay to play to make the game more populated for those that do pay.
@Sciela you do a lot of talking, but apparently not a whole lot of listening; I'll repeat my question: did you try Vendetta Online like I suggested in your other thread?
As you state, you can go back and enjoy the classics that you used to, and new appreciable games to you do exist. To me, it doesn't look like you've given up on gaming at all.
Super Mario 64 and some others you named are absolute classics, but they also were released at a time when processing power on consoles had reached a critical mass: it wasn't just that 'graphics were better', it was that the increased memory actually led to a change in the way games were designed.
I think we're about to see a similar threshold reached on the PC front, and later, consoles: that of VR. It isn't going to be just 'better graphics' or 'monitor on the face lol', but a change in the way games are designed, and consequently in how we as customers think about games.
I think it will be about as dramatic a paradigm shift as going from games of the SNES/Super Famicom era to games of the N64/PlayStation era.
"The simple is the seal of the true and beauty is the splendor of truth" -Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar Authored 139 missions in VendettaOnline and 6 tracks in Distance
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Also blizz opinion .. they are not making a new classical design mmorpg, are they? In fact, they scrap one, and now they are making a new shooter, after a card game, and a MOBA.
And which western AAA dev is making a new classical design AAA mmorpg?
and 7B .. all disgree with me .. you include those tens of millions who are playing LoL? And those millions who left WoW? You must be counting only the 500k who play Eve!
Now though...since their main product has lost foothold in the market, based on how Legion performs they will truly know where they will go from there.
Yeah .. it must be because they are ignoring a huge huge market .. because they just don't want to make money. May be you should set them straight and remind them that 7 BILLION people want to play classical mmorpg.
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So, a lot of people are saying that gaming hasn't changed, that I'm the real issue... and I call bullshit. So, let's look at some of my older favorite games, like Majora's Mask, OoT (played it so many times I can't forget it), SM64, SMSS, Twilight Princess and so on. if I take a long enough break that I forget a lot of the solutions, and forget all the minor details in the story, I can have a blast! But, once I play them, they're just not fun anymore, since I know what's going to happen. Now, let's look at a more modern game that I picked up recently, and got quickly bored of: Fallout 4. Oh sure, it was fun for a little while, but after maybe 20 hours, I just got so tired of it that I couldn't play anymore. Haven't even started the game for well over a month. Now, I played WoW for 10 years and loved it, and then Draenor came out and ruined everything for me. No, it wasn't super hard, but it was fun. The classes were interesting, the lore was fantastic, and the world felt alive. So, I went and tried other MMOs. I got to max level, started raiding, and just got bored. You hear of Wildstar? I got bored on my first character by the time I hit level 20. Eventually I maxed every class (I had nothing else to play or do, so why not?), and got into raiding almost every day. The first time was fun, since I had never done it, but after wiping 10-20 times, I just got bored. The fights were pathetic, very predictable, and not at all fun. Combine that with very spammy, repetitive combat, and the game just wasn't fun.
I tried GW2, and while it was fun at first, the lack of content just drove me away. I tried FFXIV, and the 2.5s GCD that basically eliminated any effort made the game boring. I tried TERA, and the fact that it was basically porn, coupled with spammy, repetitive combat, just made me leave. I tried RIFT, but it just felt clunky, and didn't really flow all that well. I tried Blade and Soul, but I can only click my left mouse button so many times before it gets old.
So, yeah, gaming has changed. Just a bit. I can go back to the games I enjoyed in the past, and still enjoy them. However, I just can't enjoy a game that has nothing to enjoy. Rose-tinted goggles have nothing to do with it, it's just that I don't find games with no story, no dynamic combat (as in, you do more than spam 1-5 buttons), absurd sexualization, and no real effort of any kind put in to be fun. Sure, most people these days do, but then they don't really know what a quality game looks like, or what engaging combat is.
Next, a lot of people seem to think I'm insulting them with my whole moron comment. Honestly, I kind of am. These days, entertainment across the board is designed with the lowest intelligence in mind, so that a child or special needs person could throw money at the developer/producer/whatever. So, when we have all these games that are just absolutely pathetic, I can't help but get bored with them. Though so many people tell me that these games are so hard, so fun, all that... if I had 50 points shaved off my IQ, maybe I could learn to love things again. There would be TV shows I enjoy, books that I find worth reading, games I actually have fun playing... life would be a lot better, that's for sure. So, I'm not directly insulting anyone, but I am at the same time, if that makes sense.
And about hard games: Dark Souls? Please. I played Dark Souls 1 without internet (didn't have Live at the time, rarely played Xbox), and beat it with little to no issue. Dark Souls 2 I played without a shield, and did the entire game while dual-wielding cestis (you know, minimum range, no blocking, nothing) and wearing light armor. There was only ever one boss that I summoned people for, and did the rest on my own, again with little to no issue. So, please, don't tell me that Dark Souls is some shining example of a challenging game. Once you learn the pattern and spot the tells, you really can't lose. Though, honestly, I can't really think of a game that was truly challenging for me. I loved WoW, I loved Zelda, loved Mario, Pokemon, all those... none of them were hard, but they were fun. And that's what a lot of games forgot how to do, is make fun content regardless of difficulty.
But, yeah, some good games do exist, but they're very far and few between -- and most of them are on such small budgets that they last for all of 8 hours or so, or aren't fully fleshed out. Like, Ori and the Blind Forest. That game was a blast, and I couldn't put it down! And when the artists hand-paint every bit of the landscape, and there's no copy-pasting like in a lot of other games, you can tell they care about their game, and are willing to go the extra mile to ensure the game is the best they can do. But, it just wasn't all that hard, so I ended up finishing the game (with 100% completion) in ~8.5 hours. And, while I could pick it up and play it again sometime down the road, it just wouldn't be as much fun, since I would know the story, and all the solutions to everything. So, sure, some good games do exist still, but they're one in a million. And, once those companies get a taste of the money potential, they go corrupt.
However, I've never seen any good MMOs come out in the last 10 years or so. They're either just badly done (RIFT, etc.), are incredibly boring (TERA, FFXIV, BnS) or just don't have any kind of content available beyond what comes in the box (GW2, etc.). I've tried almost every MMO you can think of, trying to find a game to fill the void and a place to call home... but it just seems like none exist anymore. So I have single-player games that last me 8-10 hours on average, and League (which, honestly, is boring, but it's better than staring at wall and sleeping when I'm not working).
I just wish people weren't so greedy. I miss having new games to look forward to. I miss having TV shows that I'd get up on Saturdays to watch with my family or stay up on Friday night to watch. I miss having books to read when I didn't feel like doing anything... Things were better. But, life is full of change, and not always for the better.
In the last 5 years and 3 weeks I've spent $0.00 on a new game. So, I did my part, but complaining that games aren't up to your standard while spending $ for some of them....Voting with our wallet might not be a factor for what comes in our future, but it surely plays a role. Free to play has been dominant over the years thanks to players like me. We get more for less, although I would prefer to get MORE cuz I could gladly afford the $. Sadly, too many rookie and greedy companies out there who prey on individuals like you, who will be more lenient and forgiving for their mediocre quality that comes with low budgets and less risks.
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First off the story your talking about, only console games. Sorry kiddo. Story isnt the main drive of MMO's, never has been. Theres countless game for console right now that having amazing stories (mass effects witchers, not gonna list more cause its retarded)
When wow was first taking off, do you think people cared for the story??? NOPE! It was the idea! not the story! The idea of playing wiht many other people! Thats what drives mmo's. Competeting and grouping wiht other people!!! Something consoles didnt do as much. Until now.
Im sorry man, but I honestly dont think you have to shave anything off ur IQ, id say its low enough, any more and you would be specialized.
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What you can say is that based on your everyday experience, water and fire in the conditions you experience behave in a certain way. That doesn't mean that those properties persist in conditions which are not common in everyday life.
Also.. You read books when you don't feel like doing anything else? Well, maybe you should feed that big brain of yours more books instead of challenging video games before you run around the forums and call people morons. Just a suggestion
Anyways... both of you make me think of this...
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For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Things have changed, and it's not just the nostalgy calling. Let's put an example: should one compare the trend from "Dark Heart of Uukrul", or even "Morrowind", to "Skyrim", he will notice that things have gone more arcade, simpler and more constrained functionally, in spite of the huge improvements on both the graphics and sound departments. Games, in general, are more based on the twitch than on the thought process. Another example, it's the evolution (or involution) from Fallout 1&2 to the latest iteration: Many of you will say that it's the second coming, while for me it's nothing but a cinematic arcade in an open world, with very few possiblities for RPG.
Gaming is big business now, so big that the publishers can dictate what features must a particular game have, in the name of accesibility, gamification, or because it seems that people dig certain features, like an online aspect (even if it doesn't fit a particular game or genre). In summary, a game, very especially the ones published by big corps, should be played by the maximum number of people, this is the estrategy; which leads us to the "minimum common denominator" syndrome. I think it's not necessary to explain this...
Playing certain games doesn't define one's intelligence, neither it's a reason for any sort of superiority. But, some of us look for something more than killing time. We like to that our gaming feels relevant and satisfying; not on the same level as playing guitar or writing a poem but somehow close...
What I don't share with the OP is his pessimism. Personally, I've found my shelter with Paradox Games: EU4, CK2, Cities:Skylines (although i still play SC4, which is much better). And we'll always have EVE, of course. There'll always be nitches for the rarest of us. To each their own, i guess.
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That's why the "I'm quitting!" drama posts never stop coming.
Sure they are all indie companies and subpar products compared to AAA capitalist moneymaker machines, but they are 100 times more fun, more engaging, more friedly, more a community that all the crap that we have nowadays.
Don't be so negative, just don't support capitalist brawlers and wait for the indie true sandbox experience.
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But'll let you off, you were probably 10 years old at the time and very naive.
EDIT: Actually, if you're 22 now then you would've been 10 when WoW released. 4 When UO, EQ released? O.o
I'd love to know what old games you found challenging.
The only way to truly make a statement about a game is to not to play it... anything less is giving your support.
This is why F2P games even exist... to draw in the people who wouldn't pay to play to make the game more populated for those that do pay.
As you state, you can go back and enjoy the classics that you used to, and new appreciable games to you do exist. To me, it doesn't look like you've given up on gaming at all.
Super Mario 64 and some others you named are absolute classics, but they also were released at a time when processing power on consoles had reached a critical mass: it wasn't just that 'graphics were better', it was that the increased memory actually led to a change in the way games were designed.
I think we're about to see a similar threshold reached on the PC front, and later, consoles: that of VR. It isn't going to be just 'better graphics' or 'monitor on the face lol', but a change in the way games are designed, and consequently in how we as customers think about games.
I think it will be about as dramatic a paradigm shift as going from games of the SNES/Super Famicom era to games of the N64/PlayStation era.
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