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There's not much more to argue in a single player/possible co-op. There's none of the list of stretch goals needed, so it's basically mocap, a handful of point a to point b and shoot-em-up. If the flight physics and weapons are not intended to be specifically emulative of the finished SC mmo "quality", then I don't know what you could possibly be arguing is involved or affected by the addition of the stretch goals. You're not going to come up with an answer otherwise, so the point is moot.
When did he do this? Hmm, rhymes with ever... feather... lever... He didn't do it.
edit: You know what makes me mad about this, specifically? What he did say was something to the effect that "he wished he'd been more clear", leaving it up in the air as if thousands of people had just misinterpreted his words. That made me pretty angry, when instead of admitting fault, saying he'd do better, he basically said, either "you just don't get it" or "you didn't hear me right", like it's everyone's collective fault.
It's nothing else than the whole thing with XBox vs PS or Apple vs Samsung or any other rivaling situation. You can call fans of named examples also religious cultist like people who defend their product. Even WOW player therefor are cultists considering the amount of times invested in it by MMO fans... therefor you can say that every passionate MMO player is a cultist somehow.
What has CR really done to you? The older ones of us might know his past and his known talent be it positive or negative like having created some pretty nice space games but also being late on his promises and also overpromising but not underperforming overly bad (i.e. WC movie).
@Adjutant1 ;
It seems we have a different perception on when/if CR admitted being late on promises. I remember for example where he presented Erin as new Global Lead and they both sat together and talked about being late. Your example from his past talking about being late is also a concession in my POV. But here we are again with how perception works.
Also what he said is that people without the proper experience in game development play armchair developer. Nothing wrong with that because it is correct... Like this
http://www.codingwisdom.com/codingwisdom/2013/03/armchair-game-designers-piss-me-off.html
Asking questions and pointing out big time flaws with CR's development of this game would not be trolling. Amazing you guys can't direct any blame to the great CR.
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
Why is it that you believe that CR has so much to do with the development of this game, anyway? If this was a team of, say, 15 people, then he may have more involvement. However, it's not, and it's highly unlikely that CR is dictating anything about how the game is physically being made, at this point. I would doubt he's even directing the Managers. He may have a couple of people reporting to him, that's it. His impact will likely be that of communicating his vision for the game to his management team and conducting quarterly progress reports.
Also, to be fair, when attacks, similar to that being used against CIG staff, were directed at DS' company, he immediately called for a stop to it and that it was unnecessary and that they have families that they're working to support, etc., etc., etc. He even went as far as getting people banned from various social network sites for their attacks against his staff. However, CR and his staff of 250 people, with 250 families being supported, deserve abuse? Why? LOD was in development before SC, it's in a worse state than SC and yet it's immune to criticism?
Sorry, but you act as though you're objective in your arguments but, in reality, your only interest is in attacking CR, specifically, for whatever reason. The reason DS comes up is because he's hypocritical. He points out completely valid challenges with SC, there's no denying that. However, then he continues his crusade against the SC for what I can only assume to be completely nefarious reasons. You could even make the argument that he spends more time arguing about SC than he does working to improve his own game.
Honestly, I don't know how you actually believe that DS is somehow a moral compass. Honestly, his actions in his past are completely reprehensible and is characteristic of why he's so infamous. You continually talk about how people worship CR, but you're no better the way you defend DS like he some sort of messiah. He's not well know for his skills in game development, but he's managed to create a name for himself by being horrible in his field and starting arguments on the Internet. Essentially he's the worst game developer and best troll of all time. Urban Dictionary said so. However, if you care to do some additional research, which I'm sure you don't, there is plenty of nasty stuff you can find out there.
TLDR DS is worse than CR so wtf are you talking about and why do you continually scream at the CR followers from your DS church?
Crazkanuk
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I stated several times that criticism against SC is totally legit in some points. But DS intentions are completely ignored by you. Please.... really PLEASE do some research about him. People offered several sources where to do that,
Also most of the flaws called out by some people are coherent to their lack of knowledge about game development. Most criticism wouldn't be there if SC would be developed like a normal developer/publisher game due to not being open developed.
But once you push something into the open, everyone seems to know it better independent of their knowledge about it.
its like watching a sports game on tv... sitting on the couch you call the coach or players out for not doing it right. Or like "Who wants to be a millionaire"... sitting on the couch you facepalm due to some easy questions and the wrong answers... but if you would sit on that chair you would realize that this is something different when you are in the spotlight.
And again... there are valid concerns but nothing in my opinion to justify painting the devil on the wall.
Also: What is a game? Tell me? Wasn't the old snake game on mobile phones a game being simplistic as it was? Yes there is no whole game yet... because it is being developed. PERIOD. THE END
Also 90 days... or 2 weeks...
I mean what side is putting a halo on CR, I know none of us are putting a halo on DS.
Now you say who says CR is in charge? So who is making all these bad decisions? Oh wait I know DS is. Wow DS is such a bad developer he can ruin SC coding with just his thoughts I guess.
So here we are:
Blame game:
DS fault.
CR not in charge, let's blame DS.
Urban Dictionary says bad things about DS, his fault. (LOL not like that site is credible).
DS posted problems with SC, CR sends him money back with not asking for it. DS fault!
DS posts threads how bad development is going and shows things can't be done. Yep DS fault.
Anyone questions CR motives and brings up problems with SC, SM, ect, yep DS fault.
Blaming DS is really getting old. But I realize that is all you guys have.
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
In all honesty take my thoughts with a grain of salt but I have a feeling the scope of this project was blown out of such proportion intentionally and players will simply be sold ships as long as they will buy them for their sci-fi space garage simulator. Once again not a programmer or coder by any means but ive lost count the amount of times there's been confusion on why the cryengine is being used for a project of this type and scope. Wouldn't be surprised if this "Hidden true project" is about 10% of what was promised due to engine limitations uncontrollable snags in development. Some come another 2-3 years we may still see a game, but whats to say its remotely what was promised. Another thing I tend to see is CR and dreamer put in the same sentence.I don't think i'd like that a whole lot as a backer ;x
In short, "delays are inevitable, you just don't understand software development", but, "the people developing the game, who apparently do know software development and should adjust approximations thusly, still badly miss projected release parameters".
So, to the argument, "these things take time", apparently you should be telling that to the people flapping gums at CIG.
- Albert Einstein
It's not as if the op was unaware of this. In reply, op made reference to past conversations and the participants therein. Op jumped, feet-first, into an obvious fray, and no amount of coy act or innocent posturing is going to make me believe other than the intent of political wrangling. If she didn't mean for an argument, she could have kept it in her almost-popular blog, and especially forgone the dismissive/denigratory terms as "trolling" and "certain individuals".
That's just completely fictional. As someone once said, the longer a conversation RE: SC goes on, the chance of a mention of DS approaches 1. However, I'd go as far as to say that the chance of CR being mentioned negatively in an SC thread approaches 1 at a much quicker rate. Now, if the thread had BEEN about CR that might be different..... but it wasn't. So how did we arrive here?
I don't know where DS was attacked as being the reason for SM being thrown out. However, if you believe that SM being left in was a good idea, then you're off your rocker. Again, not CUT entirely, delayed until they've released something. Much more sensible development practice.
Again, putting words in my mouth to suit your own agenda. I cannot comment on CR being a good or bad manager. However, my comment is simply that CR is likely so far removed from the process of developing the physical product that he has no greater impact on it than his wife. He might communicate the vision, but that's about it. If that's not the case, it's like why it's messy. He simply cannot be hands-on, nor should he be.
As far as DS goes. I LITERALLY just said DS made valid points in the beginning, then you ignore than and say that I'm saying everything is DS' fault, which actually shows how poorly you listen to what others are saying. You simply believe what you'd like to believe.
As far as DS being an upstanding person, you go ahead and google him. He has a well documented past of being a supreme asshole. So, again, as long as we're making religious analogies, you seem to be about as objective as a religious person. You're always right because it's what was written in your book, which is obviously correct. Then you scream at other people for believing something else that might not agree with you, give them cute, derogatory names and then take offence whenever anyone points out the flaws of your own beliefs, probably put on your white masks and go hang them from a stake somewhere, burn them alive, would be my guess. Honestly, it's essentially two religions arguing back and forth. You can deny that all you want, but if you think you're objective, you're just lying to yourself.
Crazkanuk
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Durnzig - 90 Paladin - Emerald
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Tankinpain - 90 Monk - Azjol-Nerub - US
Brindell - 90 Warrior - Emerald Dream - US
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"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey
So hold your silly awesomes for when the game does release and you have actual videos from the game.
Right now it is still a excellent bet this game will never release in any shape or form to what was promised.