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Good game with a greedy publisher behind it.

tet666tet666 Member UncommonPosts: 295
edited February 2016 in Black Desert Online
BDO is a good game with a very greedy publisher behind it (well most are but it's a pretty blunt approach in this game).
The game is pretty good but it was supposed to be even better:
http://black-desert.com/articles/black-desert-how-we-were-expect-it-to-be-and-how-it-is-now/

Some of that stuff wouldn't have worked out regardless but most of it was changed to market the game to the Korean casual market, the devs say this them self here:

http://black-desert.com/interviews/black-desert-revelation-an-honest-to-god-interview-with-pearl-abyss-on-the-status-quo-of-black-desert/

So what happened her? Could the publisher have forced them to change the game like this?

On top of that they removed anything that could be seen as a alternative to the items from the shop you got in game, pressure from the publisher?

They removed most higher armor and weapon models back in beta, there even was supposed to be a system which would have changed your appearance based on your enchantment lvl all gone to force ppl to buy overpriced costumes from the cash shop they supposedly use some of those assets for shop items now.

There where quests that rewarded pets:


There is a Vendor for basic Dyes for in game currency in every other version of the game (those are even f2p!) he was removed only in our version of the game.

There is probably more. I don't want to stir up shit here these are actual facts and a lot of people don't seem to know this.

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  • cronius77cronius77 Member UncommonPosts: 1,652
    I'm pretty sure there is more to it than most here understand. The studio behind the game for example might be charging a certain amount just to license it and on top of that also allowing no mark up to be competitive with other markets who publish it. Not saying I know for sure as I do not even play it but you see this in a lot of other commercial markets besides games. So the publishers have to make money somehow especially if they have fees attached to just the license and restrictions on what can and cant be sold by the studio. There is plenty of greedy publishers though on the market perfect world aeria games G potato webzen Id even lump in Trion to now with the greedy ones.
  • tet666tet666 Member UncommonPosts: 295
    cronius77 said:
    I'm pretty sure there is more to it than most here understand. The studio behind the game for example might be charging a certain amount just to license it and on top of that also allowing no mark up to be competitive with other markets who publish it. Not saying I know for sure as I do not even play it but you see this in a lot of other commercial markets besides games. So the publishers have to make money somehow especially if they have fees attached to just the license and restrictions on what can and cant be sold by the studio. There is plenty of greedy publishers though on the market perfect world aeria games G potato webzen Id even lump in Trion to now with the greedy ones.

    True yes we don't know what is going on behind the scenes but just as i said the devs them self altered and removed most of this, i mean the publisher must have requested to remove that Dye vendor specifically for our version cause it's in every other one.
  • Boot_legBoot_leg Member UncommonPosts: 28
    I would be wary to any port game.  Still have a bad taste in my mouth from some in the past.  They usually have a great base game, and end up ruining it with bad implementation.
  • loghorizon01loghorizon01 Member UncommonPosts: 32
    @Boot_leg I hate to say it but I am also suspicious of ported games. I have seen it before, even if the NA publisher knows and cares about what the NA market wants, whatever the original developer/publisher says is what they have to follow. Idk, it just seems like there is a disconnect between what the Asian and NA players want.
    Blogging here a little bit: http://www.mmorpg.com/blogs/loghorizon01
  • tet666tet666 Member UncommonPosts: 295
    True yes still content that was moved behind a paywall.
  • Gaming.Rocks2Gaming.Rocks2 Member UncommonPosts: 531
    DMKano said:
    I played korean CBT 1 - it was amazing and IMO the vision for the game was in line what they've been talking about for anyone who followed the game for years prior.

    I remember all of those early interviews about single world without instances and open world housing and open PvP. My entire guild was instantly ready to play this as soon as it was available.

    The changes that happened post CBT2 were frankly shocking to anyone who followed and played the early Korean betas.

    Talk about a full 180 from what they talked about for 2+ years - pretty much pissed off the entire original loyal fanbase they had.

    Oh well it happens.

    My guild won't play BD anymore but I will. Shit happens, just gotta make the best of it. 

    I have the same story. Korean CBT1 was amazing. Apparently their studies showed their original vision wouldn't be a financial success. My guild was so ready for this game and now they have killed themselves out of disappointed, literally. I have been like to 50 funerals in the past year. 
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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    I have the same story. Korean CBT1 was amazing. Apparently their studies showed their original vision wouldn't be a financial success. My guild was so ready for this game and now they have killed themselves out of disappointed, literally. I have been like to 50 funerals in the past year. 
    50 wakes with free booze and food? That ain't all bad...
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  • cheyanecheyane Member LegendaryPosts: 9,404
    Are you talking about dyes and costumes ? For heaven's sake can't you manage without them ? They can make money out of dyes and costumes, seems that a game without a monthly sub should be able to do that. Also exp potions I have no problem with those either.
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  • tet666tet666 Member UncommonPosts: 295
    edited February 2016
    cheyane said:
    Are you talking about dyes and costumes ? For heaven's sake can't you manage without them ? They can make money out of dyes and costumes, seems that a game without a monthly sub should be able to do that. Also exp potions I have no problem with those either.
    Sure well so what's the next thing they will take away?

    The Industry has shown time and time again if you let something like that slip it's only getting worse cause it creates a precedence that we are ok with it.

    I get it not everyone cares about cosmetics but a lot of people do, will you be okay as well if mounts for example get removed and you can only buy them in the shop?

    It's a bit extreme but i think it's somehow fitting here:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_...


  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    cheyane said:
    Are you talking about dyes and costumes ? For heaven's sake can't you manage without them ? They can make money out of dyes and costumes, seems that a game without a monthly sub should be able to do that. Also exp potions I have no problem with those either.
    This is what my wizards look like in most MMOs and I'm fine with that


    "Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”

    ― Umberto Eco

    “Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” 
    ― CD PROJEKT RED

  • Gaming.Rocks2Gaming.Rocks2 Member UncommonPosts: 531
    Iselin said:
    I have the same story. Korean CBT1 was amazing. Apparently their studies showed their original vision wouldn't be a financial success. My guild was so ready for this game and now they have killed themselves out of disappointed, literally. I have been like to 50 funerals in the past year. 
    50 wakes with free booze and food? That ain't all bad...
    And most of them were Irish! 
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  • cheyanecheyane Member LegendaryPosts: 9,404
    Pardon me ,you ask why are publishers so greedy may I ask why are players so greedy that they want everything for free without thinking about running costs and such. They want to make money they are not in this for their constitution for sure so they are charging for costumes and dyes. 

    The argument that if you let this slip it will get worse is rubbish . It is more like players whining about even dyes and costumes when they are getting whole games out there not BDO which is B2P for absolutely free. It's about time people curb their own greed and wanting every damn thing in a game for free.  
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  • tet666tet666 Member UncommonPosts: 295
    edited February 2016
    cheyane said:
    Pardon me ,you ask why are publishers so greedy may I ask why are players so greedy that they want everything for free without thinking about running costs and such. They want to make money they are not in this for their constitution for sure so they are charging for costumes and dyes. 

    The argument that if you let this slip it will get worse is rubbish . It is more like players whining about even dyes and costumes when they are getting whole games out there not BDO which is B2P for absolutely free. It's about time people curb their own greed and wanting every damn thing in a game for free.  
    For free Dude we payed for the game it's not f2p here ?
    This stuff was available to anyone in the game, and they still took it away to move it to the shop are you people that brainwashed allrdy?
  • cheyanecheyane Member LegendaryPosts: 9,404
    edited February 2016
    Yes it was available in a different version the one in other regions. They brought it over to US and Europe and it's B2P and they are charging for costumes and dyes to pay for the licence or the cost for running that is higher the taxes.....because they can. No amount of whining from players about it will change because there is no subscription cost. 

    I also mentioned that is B2P in the earlier post if you noticed. I did not make a mistake on that.

    Localization comes at a cost. So does bringing a game to other countries and underneath it all is the fact that they cannot exist monthly on just B2P.
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  • BloodaxesBloodaxes Member EpicPosts: 4,662
    So you think buying the game will be enough income for the company to sustain the servers and the people working and handling updates?

    If it was a single player sure but this is an mmo.

  • tet666tet666 Member UncommonPosts: 295
    edited February 2016

    It's either that or a $15/month subscription. What do you prefer?
    A cash shop you definitely aren't forced to use to fully enjoy the game, or a fixed $15 monthly fee you are forced to pay to even just be able to log into the game?
    Either way, developers and content creators are human beings with families who deserve a paycheck.


    cheyane
    said:
    Yes it was available in a different version the one in other regions. They brought it over to US and Europe and it's B2P and they are charging for costumes and dyes to pay for the licence or the cost for running that is higher the taxes.....because they can. No amount of whining from players about it will change because there is no subscription cost. 
    Let's face it they are pretty much doing the most they can get way with in this case allrdy, the game wouldn't be released here with a subscription model in any case not because they are so nice and don't do it but simply because it's not a viable option here for them.
    If you really think otherwise then i have a word for you: delusion

  • cheyanecheyane Member LegendaryPosts: 9,404
    Mind you they will charge with anything they can get away with. Why wouldn't they ? Like I said they are not in it for their constitution. They have employees that are not B2P . Plus they cannot get away with charging for more things than what the competition is doing. So there is a self check mechanism . If the genre has more games with this model they have to fall in line or be quickly shunned so although it is a slippery slope charging for dying and charging for playing for more time and so on like what Allods did will quickly incur the wrath of the player base with them promptly leaving. 

    Since there isn't a dearth of games they will be controlled by the success of other models.
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  • tet666tet666 Member UncommonPosts: 295
    edited February 2016
    cheyane said:
    Mind you they will charge with anything they can get away with. Why wouldn't they ? Like I said they are not in it for their constitution. They have employees that are not B2P . Plus they cannot get away with charging for more things than what the competition is doing. So there is a self check mechanism . If the genre has more games with this model they have to fall in line or be quickly shunned so although it is a slippery slope charging for dying and charging for playing for more time and so on like what Allods did will quickly incur the wrath of the player base with them promptly leaving. 

    Since there isn't a dearth of games they will be controlled by the success of other models.
    Now that is something i can agree with for the most part but the point is they are allrdy doing stuff that is a bit more extreme then most of their competition.
  • LorgarnLorgarn Member UncommonPosts: 417
    tet666 said:
    cheyane said:
    Pardon me ,you ask why are publishers so greedy may I ask why are players so greedy that they want everything for free without thinking about running costs and such. They want to make money they are not in this for their constitution for sure so they are charging for costumes and dyes. 

    The argument that if you let this slip it will get worse is rubbish . It is more like players whining about even dyes and costumes when they are getting whole games out there not BDO which is B2P for absolutely free. It's about time people curb their own greed and wanting every damn thing in a game for free.  
    For free Dude we payed for the game it's not f2p here ?
    This stuff was available to anyone in the game, and they still took it away to move it to the shop are you people that brainwashed allrdy?
    It's either that or a $15/month subscription. What do you prefer?
    A cash shop you definitely aren't forced to use to fully enjoy the game, or a fixed $15 monthly fee you are forced to pay to even just be able to log into the game?
    Either way, developers and content creators are human beings with families who deserve a paycheck.
    I'd take $15/month any day of the week if that meant that the entire shop went into crafting, lootdrops and rewards instead. Unfortunately, I'm part of the minority here.
  • tet666tet666 Member UncommonPosts: 295
    Lorgarn said:
    tet666 said:
    cheyane said:
    Pardon me ,you ask why are publishers so greedy may I ask why are players so greedy that they want everything for free without thinking about running costs and such. They want to make money they are not in this for their constitution for sure so they are charging for costumes and dyes. 

    The argument that if you let this slip it will get worse is rubbish . It is more like players whining about even dyes and costumes when they are getting whole games out there not BDO which is B2P for absolutely free. It's about time people curb their own greed and wanting every damn thing in a game for free.  
    For free Dude we payed for the game it's not f2p here ?
    This stuff was available to anyone in the game, and they still took it away to move it to the shop are you people that brainwashed allrdy?
    It's either that or a $15/month subscription. What do you prefer?
    A cash shop you definitely aren't forced to use to fully enjoy the game, or a fixed $15 monthly fee you are forced to pay to even just be able to log into the game?
    Either way, developers and content creators are human beings with families who deserve a paycheck.
    I'd take $15/month any day of the week if that meant that the entire shop went into crafting, lootdrops and rewards instead. Unfortunately, I'm part of the minority here.
    I'd take that too, but unfortunately, BDO is different, so I adapt.
    If I need something in the shop, I'll spend the $15/month I'd have spent in a sub.

    And I'm not too worried about crafting... there's enough items to craft even with the shop.

    What I mean is that today, people seem to be so self entitled... they want no sub, no cash shop, no box price. They seem to think developers live from thin air, green grass, love and blue sea.
    This isn't entitlement, it's just expectation of value for money spent.
  • kjempffkjempff Member RarePosts: 1,760
    First link didn't give me much relevant info.
    Second link (the interview) does wave big red flag that their publisher(s) has way too much say on game systems. They (the developer) seem weak and easily manipulated. There is always this power struggle going on between developer and publisher, and compromises has to happen, but when the publisher gets too much influence, the game itself suffers (from a gamers perspective) - Judging from this interview alone, it looks like that is the case.
  • tet666tet666 Member UncommonPosts: 295
    edited February 2016
    tet666 said:
    Lorgarn said:
    tet666 said:
    cheyane said:
    Pardon me ,you ask why are publishers so greedy may I ask why are players so greedy that they want everything for free without thinking about running costs and such. They want to make money they are not in this for their constitution for sure so they are charging for costumes and dyes. 

    The argument that if you let this slip it will get worse is rubbish . It is more like players whining about even dyes and costumes when they are getting whole games out there not BDO which is B2P for absolutely free. It's about time people curb their own greed and wanting every damn thing in a game for free.  
    For free Dude we payed for the game it's not f2p here ?
    This stuff was available to anyone in the game, and they still took it away to move it to the shop are you people that brainwashed allrdy?
    It's either that or a $15/month subscription. What do you prefer?
    A cash shop you definitely aren't forced to use to fully enjoy the game, or a fixed $15 monthly fee you are forced to pay to even just be able to log into the game?
    Either way, developers and content creators are human beings with families who deserve a paycheck.
    I'd take $15/month any day of the week if that meant that the entire shop went into crafting, lootdrops and rewards instead. Unfortunately, I'm part of the minority here.
    I'd take that too, but unfortunately, BDO is different, so I adapt.
    If I need something in the shop, I'll spend the $15/month I'd have spent in a sub.

    And I'm not too worried about crafting... there's enough items to craft even with the shop.

    What I mean is that today, people seem to be so self entitled... they want no sub, no cash shop, no box price. They seem to think developers live from thin air, green grass, love and blue sea.
    This isn't entitlement, it's just expectation of value for money spent.
    What more than a game you can play forever for $30 without paying one more cent do you want?
    That's less than the box price of the usual video game.
    Are you kidding me now i want the content they removed from the base game and put in the cash shop or at least the alternative options to it the game allrdy had did you even read the thread?
  • stio89stio89 Member UncommonPosts: 85
    What more than a game you can play forever for $30 without paying one more cent do you want?
    That's less than the box price of the usual video game.
    Usual video games don't have cash shops.
  • tet666tet666 Member UncommonPosts: 295
    tet666 said:
    tet666 said:
    Lorgarn said:
    tet666 said:
    cheyane said:
    Pardon me ,you ask why are publishers so greedy may I ask why are players so greedy that they want everything for free without thinking about running costs and such. They want to make money they are not in this for their constitution for sure so they are charging for costumes and dyes. 

    The argument that if you let this slip it will get worse is rubbish . It is more like players whining about even dyes and costumes when they are getting whole games out there not BDO which is B2P for absolutely free. It's about time people curb their own greed and wanting every damn thing in a game for free.  
    For free Dude we payed for the game it's not f2p here ?
    This stuff was available to anyone in the game, and they still took it away to move it to the shop are you people that brainwashed allrdy?
    It's either that or a $15/month subscription. What do you prefer?
    A cash shop you definitely aren't forced to use to fully enjoy the game, or a fixed $15 monthly fee you are forced to pay to even just be able to log into the game?
    Either way, developers and content creators are human beings with families who deserve a paycheck.
    I'd take $15/month any day of the week if that meant that the entire shop went into crafting, lootdrops and rewards instead. Unfortunately, I'm part of the minority here.
    I'd take that too, but unfortunately, BDO is different, so I adapt.
    If I need something in the shop, I'll spend the $15/month I'd have spent in a sub.

    And I'm not too worried about crafting... there's enough items to craft even with the shop.

    What I mean is that today, people seem to be so self entitled... they want no sub, no cash shop, no box price. They seem to think developers live from thin air, green grass, love and blue sea.
    This isn't entitlement, it's just expectation of value for money spent.
    What more than a game you can play forever for $30 without paying one more cent do you want?
    That's less than the box price of the usual video game.
    Are you kidding me now i want the content they removed from the base game and put in the cash shop did you even read the thread?
    I've read the thread, and I perfectly understand what you're trying to do.
    My second last post was right.
    Honestly i don't get how you people are so eager to defend this when you would be up in arms about something similar in every other industry out there.
  • breadm1xbreadm1x Member UncommonPosts: 374
    edited February 2016
    Dyes, costumes... Nothing that stops me from being fully efficient in game.

    Nope they are just the things that bring the highest revenue in a f2p game :P
    If you think that F2P is something the people wanted your wrong.
    It just makes more money (in the west)
    Played lots of Asian games (in Asia) where i pay'd for time. not for a months every time, no for time, you bought 100 hours and then one could be IN the game for 100 hours, and you could take a YEAR on doing it, since the "Time" did not pass while you where not in game.
    Large number of peeps play from internet shop's where peeps would have the same IP
    (hence the bot infestation in western version of it)
    since they dont ban ip numbers
    And they have no CLUE to who suck@hotmail.com my@hotmail.com dick@yahoo.com is.
    (they are all the same)


    One day peeps will understand that everything evolves around money, and nothing else.
    Look at mmorpg. its all about the Benjamin's.

    The are people saying "If I need something in the shop, I'll spend the $15/month I'd have spent in a sub"
    Again not true, why do you think we have f2p, since you will spend MORE money in the cash shop then on a sub and that's a fact, and if you DON'T the some other guy will buy 4 outfits that cost 32$ a piece, so you can play f2p for a YEAR.

    Problems is BDO is not a F2P game its B2S (buy to sell)
    (spend money on so they can sell you something)
    Hey Bill can you Trade mark that for me :surprised: 

    Its like saying "in the Division there is no p2w no micro transactions"
    While it was both. the DLC's are micro transactions, and the DLC's have better weapon's

    But its okey, since people will open their wallets for it, every time and time again.
    Some even open their wallets for somthing they dont get, or hoping to get.

    I bet that in a year or so there will be more games on mmorpg that are,
    not out yet and can spend money on then game's one can actually play :pleased: 

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