I pay CCP about $800 a year to play the game the way I want to, a small amount compared to other hobbies such as golf (my fathers favorite), season's tickets to pro sports (couple of my brothers in law do this) etc etc
A single ticket for a movie nowadays costs over $10 for 3 hours of entertainment.
I have over 300 original blu-ray discs (yeah, I'm one of those who buy the movies they like), each costs approx. $15 on average (can range from $5 bargain box stuff to $30+ for collector steelbox 3D movies).
In comparison, the time played vs price paid ratio of any MMORPG I've every played, be it P2P, B2P or F2P is so much higher it's not even funny. For instance, I bought the $100 package of BDO (which includes 2500 pearls for the shop), and I already got over 30 hours of entertainment from it, and I'm far from done with it.
But some people apparently have problems paying for their games (or other entertainment sources) nowadays, the self entitlement generation wants everything for free, even the cheapest forms of entertainment.
I see this argument a lot. Movies and MMOs are not really comparable. You will spend 3 hours grinding in an MMO and it's hardly the same experience as watching a movie. If games were priced on time-spent in-game, all MMOs would be really freaking expensive.
Kyleran- "Payment models should not be a major decision factor whether or not to play a game you personally enjoy."
Eh, I disagree. Price should always be a major decision factor whether or not you buy a product as a consumer.
Sure, price means something different for different people, but it's a bad idea in a few different ways to just say, as a consumer, "I'll pay anything."
If you're willing to spend 800 dollars a year on Eve, then I'm sure Daum is REALLY FREAKING HAPPY you decided to pick up this game. But for most of us, that's just insane.
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So bottomline the two major arguments in favor of the payment model in this thread are "Price doesn't matter" and "It costs less than 10 movies."
I don't think it's unreasonable to spend around $20 per month in one game, be it sub fees or cash shop spend.
However, that will not get you far in most F2P games, because their monetization is focused on generating the maximum possible spending in the first 1 or 2 months.
Eh Costumes have stat boosts in the KR version. Or they did they last time I checked which was like a bunch of days ago because I lost interest in BDO long ago myself.
The same folks here standing their whole internet gangster ground will be on another mmo declaring it's shop not to be bad.
Because really most us are like addicts.
Ted like cracks? Ted is going to do crack.
We're Ted.
Some of you are Freds and really dig opium.
Which of course is launch era game time. After you've got your fix you'll all be back defending Darkfall or whatever abortion is coming down the line. Hell two of you were all GREEDMONGER fans. None of us change our pictures. Ever.
I have over 300 original blu-ray discs (yeah, I'm one of those who buy the movies they like), each costs approx. $15 on average (can range from $5 bargain box stuff to $30+ for collector steelbox 3D movies).
I mostly have dvd's but I have about 1,000 +.
I tell people that they come in handy when I want to watch a specific movie but it's just not streaming anywhere or you have to "buy it" from Amazon streaming for ten dollars or some such thing.
Like Skyrim? Need more content? Try my Skyrim mod "Godfred's Tomb."
In my case I refunded. When cash shop items give clear in game advantage it's pretty unacceptable to me personally.
And which cash shop items give that huge advantage you are talking about?
Costumes give +10% EXP when worn as a set; however, given the price, I see that as a minor incentive over purchasing +%EXP pots, which are common cash shop items. I don't view them as game-breaking or as providing a distinct advantage, especially in a game where EXP comes so easily. Personally, I find nothing wrong with the cash shop in BDO; all the items are cosmetic and none provide a distinct in-game advantage over another player in terms of combat or PvP (unlike AA).
In my case I refunded. When cash shop items give clear in game advantage it's pretty unacceptable to me personally.
And which cash shop items give that huge advantage you are talking about?
Costumes give +10% EXP when worn as a set; however, given the price, I see that as a minor incentive over purchasing +%EXP pots, which are common cash shop items. I don't view them as game-breaking or as providing a distinct advantage, especially in a game where EXP comes so easily. Personally, I find nothing wrong with the cash shop in BDO; all the items are cosmetic and none provide a distinct in-game advantage over another player in terms of combat or PvP (unlike AA).
Not to mention you can craft costumes.
No you can't craft costumes. You can craft Profession Armor those are NOT costumes! So please stop spreading this misinformation. You can't fight in Profession Armor because it goes in to the Armor slot and not the Costume slot and doesn't have combat stats. This myth is only still around cause there is an item called Costume Token in the Korean Cash shop which let's you make costumes out of those, we don't have this item in our Shop and it would be as expensive as buying a normal Costume anyway. There is not other way to get Costumes then the Cash Shop.
In my case I refunded. When cash shop items give clear in game advantage it's pretty unacceptable to me personally.
And which cash shop items give that huge advantage you are talking about?
Costumes give +10% EXP when worn as a set; however, given the price, I see that as a minor incentive over purchasing +%EXP pots, which are common cash shop items. I don't view them as game-breaking or as providing a distinct advantage, especially in a game where EXP comes so easily. Personally, I find nothing wrong with the cash shop in BDO; all the items are cosmetic and none provide a distinct in-game advantage over another player in terms of combat or PvP (unlike AA).
Not to mention you can craft costumes.
Unfortunately, several people look for all the reasons to fault a game or developers before even doing research on the game or its working systems. There are plenty of ways to customize your character outside of the cash shop, but people don't want to wait for the time it takes to either make the items on their own, earn them through playing, or gain money to purchase them on their own.
To me, BDO is almost exactly like GW2 in terms of payment model, except they removed the cash-shop to currency option since several people cried it was P2W before the game even launched. In time, I'm sure more customization options will be added, some to the cash shop and others to the in-game systems. The developers need to make money somehow, though, and some people will never be okay with that.
So far, I've spent $50 on the game, and absolutely love it; I can easily see myself spending more time on this game than I could see myself spending watching two movies and eating popcorn at the local theatre.
In my case I refunded. When cash shop items give clear in game advantage it's pretty unacceptable to me personally.
And which cash shop items give that huge advantage you are talking about?
Costumes give +10% EXP when worn as a set; however, given the price, I see that as a minor incentive over purchasing +%EXP pots, which are common cash shop items. I don't view them as game-breaking or as providing a distinct advantage, especially in a game where EXP comes so easily. Personally, I find nothing wrong with the cash shop in BDO; all the items are cosmetic and none provide a distinct in-game advantage over another player in terms of combat or PvP (unlike AA).
Exp absolutely does not come easily post 50. You can also get exp from pets. It is a significant advantage. Someone paying will be days and even weeks ahead of some one not. And don't forget a single death at higher levels will take days to grind back the lost experience. This in a game that has PvP as a key component. Oh and let's not forget the Ghillie suit and the horse breeding advantages.
In my case I refunded. When cash shop items give clear in game advantage it's pretty unacceptable to me personally.
And which cash shop items give that huge advantage you are talking about?
Costumes give +10% EXP when worn as a set; however, given the price, I see that as a minor incentive over purchasing +%EXP pots, which are common cash shop items. I don't view them as game-breaking or as providing a distinct advantage, especially in a game where EXP comes so easily. Personally, I find nothing wrong with the cash shop in BDO; all the items are cosmetic and none provide a distinct in-game advantage over another player in terms of combat or PvP (unlike AA).
Not to mention you can craft costumes.
Unfortunately, several people look for all the reasons to fault a game or developers before even doing research on the game or its working systems. There are plenty of ways to customize your character outside of the cash shop, but people don't want to wait for the time it takes to either make the items on their own, earn them through playing, or gain money to purchase them on their own.
To me, BDO is almost exactly like GW2 in terms of payment model, except they removed the cash-shop to currency option since several people cried it was P2W before the game even launched. In time, I'm sure more customization options will be added, some to the cash shop and others to the in-game systems. The developers need to make money somehow, though, and some people will never be okay with that.
So far, I've spent $50 on the game, and absolutely love it; I can easily see myself spending more time on this game than I could see myself spending watching two movies and eating popcorn at the local theatre.
Look for my post above pls because what he just said is absolutely not true you can't craft costumes...
In my case I refunded. When cash shop items give clear in game advantage it's pretty unacceptable to me personally.
And which cash shop items give that huge advantage you are talking about?
Costumes give +10% EXP when worn as a set; however, given the price, I see that as a minor incentive over purchasing +%EXP pots, which are common cash shop items. I don't view them as game-breaking or as providing a distinct advantage, especially in a game where EXP comes so easily. Personally, I find nothing wrong with the cash shop in BDO; all the items are cosmetic and none provide a distinct in-game advantage over another player in terms of combat or PvP (unlike AA).
Exp absolutely does not come easily post 50. You can also get exp from pets. It is a significant advantage. Someone paying will be days and even weeks ahead of some one not. Oh and don't forget a single death at higher levels will take days to grind back the lost experience. This in a game that has PvP as a key component. Oh and let's not forget the Ghillie suit and the horse breeding advantages.
You talk about spreading misinformation, but then say pets also grant EXP. Can you please point at where or how pets add EXP? To my knowledge, pets do not add EXP, no matter what level they are; instead, the pick up items for you, growl at enemies, or mark enemies that are "special" (stronger).
10% is 10%; its the same bonus at level 1 as it is at 50. Sorry, I don't see that as being significant in any way, shape, or form.
In my case I refunded. When cash shop items give clear in game advantage it's pretty unacceptable to me personally.
And which cash shop items give that huge advantage you are talking about?
Costumes give +10% EXP when worn as a set; however, given the price, I see that as a minor incentive over purchasing +%EXP pots, which are common cash shop items. I don't view them as game-breaking or as providing a distinct advantage, especially in a game where EXP comes so easily. Personally, I find nothing wrong with the cash shop in BDO; all the items are cosmetic and none provide a distinct in-game advantage over another player in terms of combat or PvP (unlike AA).
Not to mention you can craft costumes.
Unfortunately, several people look for all the reasons to fault a game or developers before even doing research on the game or its working systems. There are plenty of ways to customize your character outside of the cash shop, but people don't want to wait for the time it takes to either make the items on their own, earn them through playing, or gain money to purchase them on their own.
To me, BDO is almost exactly like GW2 in terms of payment model, except they removed the cash-shop to currency option since several people cried it was P2W before the game even launched. In time, I'm sure more customization options will be added, some to the cash shop and others to the in-game systems. The developers need to make money somehow, though, and some people will never be okay with that.
So far, I've spent $50 on the game, and absolutely love it; I can easily see myself spending more time on this game than I could see myself spending watching two movies and eating popcorn at the local theatre.
Look for my post above pls because what he just said is absolutely not true you can't craft costumes...
If folks have the money they will buy the extra's, but doing so will also help in other area's example now would be some high rollers in Eve bying spending a lot of money are going to help fund a PVE only server.
LOL, soon Elsa, maybe soon.
More likely however is a fresh start universe one day, likely around the launch date of SC.
Just my opinion.
Humm, I have not thought of that, Have you heard anything along those lines ?
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In my case I refunded. When cash shop items give clear in game advantage it's pretty unacceptable to me personally.
And which cash shop items give that huge advantage you are talking about?
Costumes give +10% EXP when worn as a set; however, given the price, I see that as a minor incentive over purchasing +%EXP pots, which are common cash shop items. I don't view them as game-breaking or as providing a distinct advantage, especially in a game where EXP comes so easily. Personally, I find nothing wrong with the cash shop in BDO; all the items are cosmetic and none provide a distinct in-game advantage over another player in terms of combat or PvP (unlike AA).
Not to mention you can craft costumes.
Unfortunately, several people look for all the reasons to fault a game or developers before even doing research on the game or its working systems. There are plenty of ways to customize your character outside of the cash shop, but people don't want to wait for the time it takes to either make the items on their own, earn them through playing, or gain money to purchase them on their own.
To me, BDO is almost exactly like GW2 in terms of payment model, except they removed the cash-shop to currency option since several people cried it was P2W before the game even launched. In time, I'm sure more customization options will be added, some to the cash shop and others to the in-game systems. The developers need to make money somehow, though, and some people will never be okay with that.
So far, I've spent $50 on the game, and absolutely love it; I can easily see myself spending more time on this game than I could see myself spending watching two movies and eating popcorn at the local theatre.
Look for my post above pls because what he just said is absolutely not true you can't craft costumes...
Forget this site it's a fan site and it wasn't updated since the Korean beta they are just to cheap to make a real page for the game that's why they are linking it ingame (The CM of BDO was a Archeage Clan leader he and his Clan buddy's made this page back when they switched to BDO because they where banned in Archeage for cheating https://www.reddit.com/r/blackdesertonline/comments/46nz1p/who_cm_jouska_really_is/) most of the information there is very outdated or simply not correct.
You cant craft costumes! This: https://bdofashion.wordpress.com/category/crafted-sets/ is what you can craft (not all of them are in our version of the game yet) They are only called Costumes cause they are to stupid to translate Korean correctly (They are called outfits or something like that in Korean writing it 's the same word as for the Cash Shop Costumes). It's Profession Armor or clothing and gives a bonus for the Profession it was made for this goes in to the Armor slot and not in to the Costume slot and it's only useful for crafting or the profession it was made for it doesn't have any combat stats. You can actually make real Costumes from those with Costume Tokens which is a Cash Shop item we don't have in our Shop atm.
In my case I refunded. When cash shop items give clear in game advantage it's pretty unacceptable to me personally.
And which cash shop items give that huge advantage you are talking about?
Costumes give +10% EXP when worn as a set; however, given the price, I see that as a minor incentive over purchasing +%EXP pots, which are common cash shop items. I don't view them as game-breaking or as providing a distinct advantage, especially in a game where EXP comes so easily. Personally, I find nothing wrong with the cash shop in BDO; all the items are cosmetic and none provide a distinct in-game advantage over another player in terms of combat or PvP (unlike AA).
Exp absolutely does not come easily post 50. You can also get exp from pets. It is a significant advantage. Someone paying will be days and even weeks ahead of some one not. Oh and don't forget a single death at higher levels will take days to grind back the lost experience. This in a game that has PvP as a key component. Oh and let's not forget the Ghillie suit and the horse breeding advantages.
You talk about spreading misinformation, but then say pets also grant EXP. Can you please point at where or how pets add EXP? To my knowledge, pets do not add EXP, no matter what level they are; instead, the pick up items for you, growl at enemies, or mark enemies that are "special" (stronger).
10% is 10%; its the same bonus at level 1 as it is at 50. Sorry, I don't see that as being significant in any way, shape, or form.
You can get pets with 7% 5% and 3% bonus for a further +15% you can also get +2 luck. That's 25% total. You will need to gamble quite a bit on pets to get this (spend a lot of real cash). I prefer to use 'pay for in game advantage' than the far more emotive 'pay to win' but I think it's safe to say BDO is P2W and this is at launch!
You are correct 25% is 25% but obviously 6 months in it puts you far further ahead than a few days in. In fact it puts you well over a month ahead in terms of XP.
In my case I refunded. When cash shop items give clear in game advantage it's pretty unacceptable to me personally.
And which cash shop items give that huge advantage you are talking about?
Costumes give +10% EXP when worn as a set; however, given the price, I see that as a minor incentive over purchasing +%EXP pots, which are common cash shop items. I don't view them as game-breaking or as providing a distinct advantage, especially in a game where EXP comes so easily. Personally, I find nothing wrong with the cash shop in BDO; all the items are cosmetic and none provide a distinct in-game advantage over another player in terms of combat or PvP (unlike AA).
Exp absolutely does not come easily post 50. You can also get exp from pets. It is a significant advantage. Someone paying will be days and even weeks ahead of some one not. Oh and don't forget a single death at higher levels will take days to grind back the lost experience. This in a game that has PvP as a key component. Oh and let's not forget the Ghillie suit and the horse breeding advantages.
You talk about spreading misinformation, but then say pets also grant EXP. Can you please point at where or how pets add EXP? To my knowledge, pets do not add EXP, no matter what level they are; instead, the pick up items for you, growl at enemies, or mark enemies that are "special" (stronger).
10% is 10%; its the same bonus at level 1 as it is at 50. Sorry, I don't see that as being significant in any way, shape, or form.
You can get pets with 7% 5% and 3% bonus for a further +15% you can also get +2 luck. That's 25% total. You will need to gamble quite a bit on pets to get this (spend a lot of real cash). I prefer to use 'pay for in game advantage' than the far more emotive 'pay to win' but I think it's safe to say BDO is P2W and this is at launch!
You are correct 25% is 25% but obviously 6 months in it puts you far further ahead than a few days in. In fact it puts you well over a month ahead in terms of XP.
Pet breeding is disabled in our version of the game so you can't get those buffs and a GM said they will revamp it, he said they don't have an eta for it. I don't think we will get those pet buffs in this form.
Gorilla said: You can get pets with 7% 5% and 3% bonus for a further +15% you can also get +2 luck. That's 25% total. You will need to gamble quite a bit on pets to get this (spend a lot of real cash). I prefer to use 'pay for in game advantage' than the far more emotive 'pay to win' but I think it's safe to say BDO is P2W and this is at launch!
You are correct 25% is 25% but obviously 6 months in it puts you far further ahead than a few days in. In fact it puts you well over a month ahead in terms of XP.
As far as I know, pet breeding is not enabled and you currently cannot get EXP bonuses with pets, through breeding or purchasing from the cash shop. Or am I incorrect in this fact?
Currently, it is not possible to get EXP bonuses from pets. Again, stop spreading misinformation.
In my case I refunded. When cash shop items give clear in game advantage it's pretty unacceptable to me personally.
And which cash shop items give that huge advantage you are talking about?
Costumes give +10% EXP when worn as a set; however, given the price, I see that as a minor incentive over purchasing +%EXP pots, which are common cash shop items. I don't view them as game-breaking or as providing a distinct advantage, especially in a game where EXP comes so easily. Personally, I find nothing wrong with the cash shop in BDO; all the items are cosmetic and none provide a distinct in-game advantage over another player in terms of combat or PvP (unlike AA).
Not to mention you can craft costumes.
Unfortunately, several people look for all the reasons to fault a game or developers before even doing research on the game or its working systems. There are plenty of ways to customize your character outside of the cash shop, but people don't want to wait for the time it takes to either make the items on their own, earn them through playing, or gain money to purchase them on their own.
To me, BDO is almost exactly like GW2 in terms of payment model, except they removed the cash-shop to currency option since several people cried it was P2W before the game even launched. In time, I'm sure more customization options will be added, some to the cash shop and others to the in-game systems. The developers need to make money somehow, though, and some people will never be okay with that.
So far, I've spent $50 on the game, and absolutely love it; I can easily see myself spending more time on this game than I could see myself spending watching two movies and eating popcorn at the local theatre.
Look for my post above pls because what he just said is absolutely not true you can't craft costumes...
Forget this site it's a fan site and it wasn't updated since the Korean beta they are just to cheap to make a real page for the game that's why they are linking it ingame (The CM of BDO was a Archeage Clan leader he and his Clan buddy's made this page back when they switched to BDO because they where banned in Archeage for cheating https://www.reddit.com/r/blackdesertonline/comments/46nz1p/who_cm_jouska_really_is/) most of the information there is very outdated or simply not correct.
You cant craft costumes! This: https://bdofashion.wordpress.com/category/crafted-sets/ is what you can craft (not all of them are in our version of the game yet) They are only called Costumes cause they are to stupid to translate Korean correctly (They are called outfits or something like that in Korean writing it 's the same word as for the Cash Shop Costumes). It's Profession Armor or clothing and gives a bonus for the Profession it was made for this goes in to the Armor slot and not in to the Costume slot and it's only useful for crafting or the profession it was made for it doesn't have any combat stats. You can actually make real Costumes from those with Costume Tokens which is a Cash Shop item we don't have in our Shop atm.
In my case I refunded. When cash shop items give clear in game advantage it's pretty unacceptable to me personally.
And which cash shop items give that huge advantage you are talking about?
Costumes give +10% EXP when worn as a set; however, given the price, I see that as a minor incentive over purchasing +%EXP pots, which are common cash shop items. I don't view them as game-breaking or as providing a distinct advantage, especially in a game where EXP comes so easily. Personally, I find nothing wrong with the cash shop in BDO; all the items are cosmetic and none provide a distinct in-game advantage over another player in terms of combat or PvP (unlike AA).
Exp absolutely does not come easily post 50. You can also get exp from pets. It is a significant advantage. Someone paying will be days and even weeks ahead of some one not. Oh and don't forget a single death at higher levels will take days to grind back the lost experience. This in a game that has PvP as a key component. Oh and let's not forget the Ghillie suit and the horse breeding advantages.
You talk about spreading misinformation, but then say pets also grant EXP. Can you please point at where or how pets add EXP? To my knowledge, pets do not add EXP, no matter what level they are; instead, the pick up items for you, growl at enemies, or mark enemies that are "special" (stronger).
10% is 10%; its the same bonus at level 1 as it is at 50. Sorry, I don't see that as being significant in any way, shape, or form.
You can get pets with 7% 5% and 3% bonus for a further +15% you can also get +2 luck. That's 25% total. You will need to gamble quite a bit on pets to get this (spend a lot of real cash). I prefer to use 'pay for in game advantage' than the far more emotive 'pay to win' but I think it's safe to say BDO is P2W and this is at launch!
You are correct 25% is 25% but obviously 6 months in it puts you far further ahead than a few days in. In fact it puts you well over a month ahead in terms of XP.
Pet breeding is disabled in our version of the game so you can't get those buffs and a GM said they will revamp it, he said they don't have an eta for it. I don't think we will get those pet buffs in this form.
Ahh OK I stand corrected. As I said I decided not to play so have not followed so closely.
I'm not sure why you're saying that people are spending 50 bucks on average on the cash shop alone is a good thing.
It sets a bad precedent and if it is as successful as you say, future MMOs will also greatly encourage you to spend 50 bucks on top of a box price in the cash shop when you start.
It's akin to a single player game with day 1 DLC. Pretty shitty imo.
And it's hard to tell if it was a good move or not. It's tough to calculate how much money they lost from people unwilling to buy into their pricing model (like me).
As long as it isn't mandatory to spend in cash shop to have a good game experience. I can live with just having spent the $30 for the game, and enjoying the no-strings content, as I'm finding it very enjoyable.
There are a lot of innovative, or at least very unique feeling features/mechanics in this game which I'm having a blast exploring, so I may still yet further support the company by making a cash shop purchase or two.
Games I played on launch and liked less than BDO
AION WAR AOC GW2 RIFT TERA SRO MO DFO RFO WildStar 9Dragons
I pay CCP about $800 a year to play the game the way I want to, a small amount compared to other hobbies such as golf (my fathers favorite), season's tickets to pro sports (couple of my brothers in law do this) etc etc
A single ticket for a movie nowadays costs over $10 for 3 hours of entertainment.
I have over 300 original blu-ray discs (yeah, I'm one of those who buy the movies they like), each costs approx. $15 on average (can range from $5 bargain box stuff to $30+ for collector steelbox 3D movies).
In comparison, the time played vs price paid ratio of any MMORPG I've every played, be it P2P, B2P or F2P is so much higher it's not even funny. For instance, I bought the $100 package of BDO (which includes 2500 pearls for the shop), and I already got over 30 hours of entertainment from it, and I'm far from done with it.
But some people apparently have problems paying for their games (or other entertainment sources) nowadays, the self entitlement generation wants everything for free, even the cheapest forms of entertainment.
I see this argument a lot. Movies and MMOs are not really comparable. You will spend 3 hours grinding in an MMO and it's hardly the same experience as watching a movie.
Both are leisure activities you pay for. And the purpose of both is to have fun during the time you paid for. That's perfectly comparable if you are talking about entertainment products.
And my argument in favor of the payment model is that all items in the shop are non-essential to play the game, so you can basically pay $30 and play the game forever. If that's too expensive for you, you may want to find another hobby than video games, because most are more expensive than that.
That's a really simplistic viewpoint. Watching a movie with a plot and climax is much different than grinding on mobs for 2 hours. I mean, compared to a getting a prostitute, it's just a fantastic deal! No, not the same experience.
What you should be comparing the price to is other MMOs. It's clearly priced as more expensive than others if you want the full experience. Is it worth that price? To some it is, but not to me, especially not with p2w right around the corner.
Ah yes, here come the insults now. Don't like facts presented to you, call them "simplistic". Doesn't make them any less facts, though, backed up by undeniable numbers. Video games, including MMORPGs, are very cheap entertainment medias.
And you make it sound like MMORPGs are only about grinding mobs, that's the second time you use that line... and we both know that's definitely not true.
It's not an insult. It is really a simplistic argument. Obviously various forms of entertainment have different values and prices associated with them.
You should be comparing the price to other MMOs, and when you do, it comes out as more expensive as a B2P with a f2p cash shop.
Is it that much better? I don't know, but even if it was, it would be breaking the mold to cost more because it's better.
Going back to your movie example, it would be like Star Wars releasing last Christmas but costing 20 bucks for a ticket. People (rightly) would have been up in arms about that.
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Kyleran- "Payment models should not be a major decision factor whether or not to play a game you personally enjoy."
Eh, I disagree. Price should always be a major decision factor whether or not you buy a product as a consumer.
Sure, price means something different for different people, but it's a bad idea in a few different ways to just say, as a consumer, "I'll pay anything."
If you're willing to spend 800 dollars a year on Eve, then I'm sure Daum is REALLY FREAKING HAPPY you decided to pick up this game. But for most of us, that's just insane.
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So bottomline the two major arguments in favor of the payment model in this thread are "Price doesn't matter" and "It costs less than 10 movies."
I'm not getting convinced here guys.
However, that will not get you far in most F2P games, because their monetization is focused on generating the maximum possible spending in the first 1 or 2 months.
The same folks here standing their whole internet gangster ground will be on another mmo declaring it's shop not to be bad.
Because really most us are like addicts.
Ted like cracks? Ted is going to do crack.
We're Ted.
Some of you are Freds and really dig opium.
Which of course is launch era game time. After you've got your fix you'll all be back defending Darkfall or whatever abortion is coming down the line. Hell two of you were all GREEDMONGER fans. None of us change our pictures. Ever.
I tell people that they come in handy when I want to watch a specific movie but it's just not streaming anywhere or you have to "buy it" from Amazon streaming for ten dollars or some such thing.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
You can craft Profession Armor those are NOT costumes!
So please stop spreading this misinformation.
You can't fight in Profession Armor because it goes in to the Armor slot and not the Costume slot and doesn't have combat stats.
This myth is only still around cause there is an item called Costume Token in the Korean Cash shop which let's you make costumes out of those, we don't have this item in our Shop and it would be as expensive as buying a normal Costume anyway.
There is not other way to get Costumes then the Cash Shop.
To me, BDO is almost exactly like GW2 in terms of payment model, except they removed the cash-shop to currency option since several people cried it was P2W before the game even launched. In time, I'm sure more customization options will be added, some to the cash shop and others to the in-game systems. The developers need to make money somehow, though, and some people will never be okay with that.
So far, I've spent $50 on the game, and absolutely love it; I can easily see myself spending more time on this game than I could see myself spending watching two movies and eating popcorn at the local theatre.
Exp absolutely does not come easily post 50. You can also get exp from pets. It is a significant advantage. Someone paying will be days and even weeks ahead of some one not. And don't forget a single death at higher levels will take days to grind back the lost experience. This in a game that has PvP as a key component. Oh and let's not forget the Ghillie suit and the horse breeding advantages.
10% is 10%; its the same bonus at level 1 as it is at 50. Sorry, I don't see that as being significant in any way, shape, or form.
http://www.blackdeserttome.com/wiki/Costumes
costumes can be crafted in game.
Humm, I have not thought of that, Have you heard anything along those lines ?
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You cant craft costumes!
This: https://bdofashion.wordpress.com/category/crafted-sets/
is what you can craft (not all of them are in our version of the game yet)
They are only called Costumes cause they are to stupid to translate Korean correctly (They are called outfits or something like that in Korean writing it 's the same word as for the Cash Shop Costumes).
It's Profession Armor or clothing and gives a bonus for the Profession it was made for this goes in to the Armor slot and not in to the Costume slot and it's only useful for crafting or the profession it was made for it doesn't have any combat stats.
You can actually make real Costumes from those with Costume Tokens which is a Cash Shop item we don't have in our Shop atm.
You are correct 25% is 25% but obviously 6 months in it puts you far further ahead than a few days in. In fact it puts you well over a month ahead in terms of XP.
I don't think we will get those pet buffs in this form.
As far as I know, pet breeding is not enabled and you currently cannot get EXP bonuses with pets, through breeding or purchasing from the cash shop. Or am I incorrect in this fact?
Currently, it is not possible to get EXP bonuses from pets. Again, stop spreading misinformation.
ROFL!!
There are a lot of innovative, or at least very unique feeling features/mechanics in this game which I'm having a blast exploring, so I may still yet further support the company by making a cash shop purchase or two.
Games I played on launch and liked less than BDO
AION
WAR
AOC
GW2
RIFT
TERA
SRO
MO
DFO
RFO
WildStar
9Dragons
What you should be comparing the price to is other MMOs. It's clearly priced as more expensive than others if you want the full experience. Is it worth that price? To some it is, but not to me, especially not with p2w right around the corner.
You should be comparing the price to other MMOs, and when you do, it comes out as more expensive as a B2P with a f2p cash shop.
Is it that much better? I don't know, but even if it was, it would be breaking the mold to cost more because it's better.
Going back to your movie example, it would be like Star Wars releasing last Christmas but costing 20 bucks for a ticket. People (rightly) would have been up in arms about that.