Rob Irving (Former Lead Designer of Star Citizen) interview - admits Escapists article is true

Kefo · March 2016

Deathenger said:

SEANMCAD said:

Deathenger said:

I honestly believe you are just trolling at this point. There is no way you can be this oblivious. Trying to continue explaining things to you at this point would just be a waster of time.

I want to thank you for encouraging me to look into this some more. I have you to thank for that.

here is one of many quotes form the OP:

'Another interesting note is the talk of 'feature creep' and the lack of the producers ability to say 'No' to a wish that someone came up with'

are you saying the OP and the artlces posted have nothing whatsover to do with 'feature creep'? or would you like me to become more of an expert on this subject?

Maybe it's me, maybe it's you, but I believe we're arguing about two separate parts if the OP post.

For some reason, I've gotten under the impression that your constantly bringing up feature creep in relation to the comments Rob made about the Escape Artists article being true.

This must be a brain fart day for me.

No it's not you having a brain fart. That's a normal reaction to trying to argue with Sean.

SEANMCAD · March 2016

Deathenger said:

Maybe it's me, maybe it's you, but I believe we're arguing about two separate parts if the OP post.

For some reason, I've gotten under the impression that your constantly bringing up feature creep in relation to the comments Rob made about the Escape Artists article being true.

This must be a brain fart day for me.

yes that would be a brain far for you.

Perhaps the OP could post what in that article he was refering to given the fact that many things were in that article.

was it feature creep? was it that he doesnt hang out with CR? what?

oh let me guess? you want me to look deeply into it. are you sure about that?

Deathenger · March 2016

SEANMCAD said:

Deathenger said:

Maybe it's me, maybe it's you, but I believe we're arguing about two separate parts if the OP post.

For some reason, I've gotten under the impression that your constantly bringing up feature creep in relation to the comments Rob made about the Escape Artists article being true.

This must be a brain fart day for me.

yes that would be a brain far for you.

Perhaps the OP could post what in that article he was refering to given the fact that many things were in that article.

was it feature creep? was it that he doesnt hang out with CR? what?

oh let me guess? you want me to look deeply into it. are you sure about that?

Ahh it's all clear to me now. Yep, it's actually you who are suffering from brain fart. It's OK though, it can be cured.

The interviewer brought up the Escape Artists article. Rob said there was certainly some truth to it (the article). He didn't touch on specifics and clearly didn't want to get into a discussion about the details. He was clearly talking about the entire body of work. Don't you think if the article was bullshit then he would have came out and said so right then and there?

SEANMCAD · March 2016

Deathenger said:

Ahh it's all clear to me now. Yep, it's actually you who are suffering from brain fart. It's OK though, it can be cured.

The interviewer brought up the Escape Artists article. Rob said there was certainly some truth to it (the article). He didn't touch on specifics and clearly didn't want to get into a discussion about the details. He was clearly talking about the entire body of work. Don't you think if the article was bullshit then he would have came out and said so right then and there?

nope you got that wrong. Let me help you with what is communicated:

''some truth in the article'

DOES NOT MEAN:

'He was clearly talking about the entire body of work'

that is a flagrant misunderstanding of the term 'some truth to the article'
see the word 'some' in this case means 'not all' which as a result might mean 'some' of each part of the article or some of just a smaller part of the article. also 'some truth' in communication not only means only part of what you say is true and but it also means some of that is true and some is untrue

I think you might just not understand how these words work together in communication, is perhaps English not your first?

Now if you like I can perhaps do a deep dive and research into this interview and article, is that something you would like me to do?

Deathenger · March 2016

SEANMCAD said:

Deathenger said:

Ahh it's all clear to me now. Yep, it's actually you who are suffering from brain fart. It's OK though, it can be cured.

The interviewer brought up the Escape Artists article. Rob said there was certainly some truth to it (the article). He didn't touch on specifics and clearly didn't want to get into a discussion about the details. He was clearly talking about the entire body of work. Don't you think if the article was bullshit then he would have came out and said so right then and there?

nope you got that wrong. Let me help you with what is communicated:

''some truth in the article'

DOES NOT MEAN:

'He was clearly talking about the entire body of work'

that is a flagrant misunderstanding of the term 'some truth to the article'
see the word 'some' in this case means 'not all' which as a result might mean 'some' of each part of the article or some of just a smaller part of the article. also 'some truth' in communication not only means only part of what you say is true and but it also means some of that is true and some is untrue

I think you might just not understand how these words work together in communication, is perhaps English not your first?

Now if you like I can perhaps do a deep dive and research into this interview and article, is that something you would like me to do?

Did Erillion add you to the payroll?

I'll ask you again.

Don't you think if the article was bullshit he would have said something right there to clear the air instead of saying there was some truth to the article? Stop duckin and diving

GeezerGamer · March 2016

HR Practices will get CIG heavily criticized. Major players leaving will interfere with release. Sure it sucks if there are HR and Morale issues. While a decrease in employee morale can kill the project and if there is any truth to this, these issues can be corrected internally by changing policy and shouldn't cost any money.

But big players in the project leaving......yeah, that's not good.

SEANMCAD · March 2016

Deathenger said:

Did Erillion add you to the payroll?

who is that? should I find out?

look saying things like 'clearly he meant the whole article' is such a gross misinterpretation you might as well have just said 'the article is about carrots'

DeathmachinePT · March 2016

JohnP0100 said:

DeathmachinePT said:

The article is far from the truth(racism and no money left and no game?? when you can already fly ships, shoot them, get out of ships , capture them in zero g and when they are opening new studios worldwide and bring new people in?) but is it true that in many games there are feature creeps and conflicts with managers and creative people yes but that is the norm in making a game..

Such a pathetic title shame on you JohnP0100 for just making the title to bait irrational fans and anti-fans and not promoting a more adult discussion based on the video.

I must have missed this post.

Yes, shame on me for getting my thread title accurate. 'there is some truth to that' is literally Rob's response. You don't like it? Tough.

I must have missed the memo where attacking Rob or myself is an 'adult discussion'. See wonderful posters like DKlond and Realizer.

You don't like that i highlight things that puts SC/CIG in a negative light? Okay. Whatever. Just don't lie about it.

"There is some truth to that" , some = not entirely/partial, you are referring to an article entire truth then you can't say the article is true.(That is called clickbait like shitty people do as AJ said it)

Further more the problem of the article was when it came to saying there wasn't more money, there wasn't a game being made, they didn't contract old people or black, they were not contracting new employees, they were spending backer money in their mansions and personal stuff..

This is the core of the article that needs to be proven, not feature creep or doing a small thing in a large scale project...
The problem with these is most are blatantly false or can't be proven.

A game is been made I can play it... I see hundreds of bugs correct every patch, I see the teams every week report what they are doing and the bugs currently being correct..., most of the employees seem over 40's or at least its evenly balanced, they open the Frankfurt studio and UK both are expanding pretty fast. This where the article falls apart for the inform people and shows it's largely false because these are the bulk of the arguments.

Which then shows that there wasn't any cross-check or investigation, you literally had only to see SC youtube videos to understand a massive complex thing is being built or check studios if they are posting jobs or just login in the game.

You also see the person who wrote has no idea of the development process because if she had then it would been discriminated at what stage some of this stuff was happening it makes sense that you can't make a game when you are making deep changes to the engine, so obviously they had to do stuff like commercials and non engine depend work so they wouldn't contract people at this stage but that would not make it more clickable or make the accusation more serious.

Anyways I backed SC, I know what CR is, I agree with increasing the scope of the project, I did not spend more than 130$ and that's a physical collectors edition, I knew when I back in KS that date was off by1-2 years, I have access to alpha and I already can feel the game, I make and study the development of games and I know what they are doing how much it takes everything feels right makes sense and I'm largely happy for being part of history.

What should been investigated in the first place is still the amount of design going on at this stage and the situation with illfonic.. but this was never question which shows no one inform is actually doing any investigation.

SmartySmart · March 2016

So much salt and resentment in this thread. Every critical news about SC is celebrated behind closed doors... not that people with a hate boner or general negative mindset would ever admit being happy seeing critical things about this project.

And the so called critical thinkers in this thread are very biased because why post it at all? To inform the public about the "truth"?

Yes Star Citizen is a Chris Roberts game... his idea, his vision (as overblown as it might be)... yeah you could call it a Chris game. That's why I pledged in the first place...and to see if Mr. Roberts can accomplish it WITHOUT someone setting boundaries for him or cutting things here and there. If things are cut out due to technical limits or budget or be it a time limitation... that's ok and normal for game development.

He said in the beginning of his campaign that he wants to build his dream game.

Yes he has narcissistic tendencies but most bosses are that way. That's part of why they are in that position. They have quite a high mass... it's like with solar systems and the gravitation of a sun/star. They are big and bright and attract objects and keep them in their orbit. And I am convinced that Mr. Roberts is far away from becoming the black hole as some people see him.

Thats all I wanted to say... no need to comment because I will not answer due to the rules of arguing on the Internet.

Just my humble opinion.

SEANMCAD · March 2016

Deathenger said:

Did Erillion add you to the payroll?

I'll ask you again.

Don't you think if the article was bullshit he would have said something right there to clear the air instead of saying there was some truth to the article? Stop duckin and diving

No I dont.

I think its fairly common for people who want to say that there is 'some truth' to something to actualy mean 'there is some truth to it'. but WHAT 'some' part is speculating based on nothing other than nothing

'some truth' and 'But the biggest news will be that he admits the Escapists article is true'.'

is not even remotely close to the same thing. Might as well be saying 'he admits to carrots!' its that much of an abuse of meaning

also I dont know who Erillion is and for the record I think SC project IS ripe with feature creep, not managed well outside of advertising. Just so you know I am not a SC fan

Talonsin · March 2016

SmartySmart said:

people with a hate boner or general negative mindset would ever admit being happy seeing critical things about this project.

I have a hate boner and I am happy.

Talonsin · March 2016

SEANMCAD said:

I think SC project IS ripe with feature creep, not managed well outside of advertising. Just so you know I am not a SC fan

You keep saying you are not a fan and yet 99% of your posts are in defense of SC. Seems odd to me...

SEANMCAD · March 2016

Talonsin said:

SmartySmart said:

people with a hate boner or general negative mindset would ever admit being happy seeing critical things about this project.

I have a hate boner and I am happy.

I would have no doubt on that

SEANMCAD · March 2016

Talonsin said:

SEANMCAD said:

I think SC project IS ripe with feature creep, not managed well outside of advertising. Just so you know I am not a SC fan

You keep saying you are not a fan and yet 99% of your posts are in defense of SC. Seems odd to me...

does this qualify as that 99%?

'I think SC project IS ripe with feature creep, not managed well outside of advertising'

Talonsin · March 2016

SmartySmart said:

They have quite a high mass... it's like with solar systems and the gravitation of a sun/star. They are big and bright and attract objects and keep them in their orbit. And I am convinced that Mr. Roberts is far away from becoming the black hole as some people see him.

Are you off your meds again???

TheYear1500 · March 2016

DKLond said:

I wish more people were as terrible as Chris Roberts so we could have more games like Privateer, Freelancer, Wing Commander 1 -4 and so forth.

Clearly, he has no idea what making games is all about

Ya Freelancer was thanks to Microsoft not CR, if it was up to CR that game never would have been finished. And the Wing Commander games 2-4 had other people making them, with input form CR.

Its sad how people try to change history.

SEANMCAD · March 2016

TheYear1500 said:

DKLond said:

I wish more people were as terrible as Chris Roberts so we could have more games like Privateer, Freelancer, Wing Commander 1 -4 and so forth.

Clearly, he has no idea what making games is all about

Ya Freelancer was thanks to Microsoft not CR, if it was up to CR that game never would have been finished. And the Wing Commander games 2-4 had other people making them, with input form CR.

Its sad how people try to change history.

what is really creepy is that people are a 'strong' critics of this game know FAR to much about it and the history of CR. its creepy who spends that much time getting educated about something they hate?

Adjuvant1 · March 2016

DKLond said:

I wish more people were as terrible as Chris Roberts so we could have more games like Privateer, Freelancer, Wing Commander 1 -4 and so forth.

Clearly, he has no idea what making games is all about

He had a good idea 26 years ago with WC1. WC2-4 carried his name on the ip with his role being peripheral. He didn't have alot to do with Privateer at all. Let's pretend for a moment Chris is a genius coding and game design person and did both Rob's and Erin's jobs on WC2-4. Fine.

Sixteen years ago, his company, Digital Anvil, was in alot of trouble. A plan for Microsoft to bail out the project, which was over budget and badly behind schedule was turned into a deal wherein Roberts was removed from developer status and placed in "creative consultant" role.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2000/12/05/digital-anvil-interview

Now, people argue with me what that means. I say they "let him stay on the roster and paid to use his name, but prevented him from any more real influence on the project". I have no idea what other conjecture people have on it, they don't say, only that I might not be entirely correct. Whatever. The game shipped to retailers on March 4, 2003.

http://www.gamespot.com/freelancer/news/

So there's alot of double-speak going on about Chris Robert's actual contribution to games. THEN you say, "and so forth". Chris Roberts has not been involved with a video game since that time, his understanding of the business is antiquated and obsolete.

Exactly the same thing is going on with Star Citizen. It's over budget and past every anticipated schedule (including even approximations from December 2015). There will be no savior Microsoft or anyone else bailing him out this time.

edit: I'll add @DKLond to bring your attention to this reply, since it's being buried behind inanity.

TheYear1500 · March 2016

SEANMCAD said:

TheYear1500 said:

DKLond said:

I wish more people were as terrible as Chris Roberts so we could have more games like Privateer, Freelancer, Wing Commander 1 -4 and so forth.

Clearly, he has no idea what making games is all about

Ya Freelancer was thanks to Microsoft not CR, if it was up to CR that game never would have been finished. And the Wing Commander games 2-4 had other people making them, with input form CR.

Its sad how people try to change history.

what is really creepy is that people are a 'strong' critics of this game know FAR to much about it and the history of CR. its creepy who spends that much time getting educated about something they hate?

LOL, yes reading the wiki page sure does take a lot of effort.

I love the projecting of "hate", or that everyone that is critical of the game is "hating". So how much have you spent on SC that you have to attack the truth and everyone that disagrees with you? Are you worried that you wasted your money?

Oh and I love your mantra of "down with education", "no one should know anything about anything". It has to be nice to be so much in love with ignorance. After all they say "ignorance is bliss"

Erillion · March 2016

SEANMCAD said:

I dont know who Erillion is

And the bunny strikes again ... HA HA .... too blatant a Shadowrun insider joke ?!

If you ask any of the haters i am either:

a) Chris Roberts (commenting on myself here while LIFE ON STAGE ... TWICE !)
b) Ben "Giga Potato" Lesnick
c) Jared "Disco Lando" Huckaby
d) someone high up in Foundry 42 Frankfurt (doa i ihna zvü' deitsch red um Ami oda Brit z'sei ;-)

Have fun

SEANMCAD · March 2016

Erillion said:

SEANMCAD said:

I dont know who Erillion is

And the bunny strikes again ... HA HA .... too blatant a Shadowrun insider joke ?!

If you ask any of the haters i am either:

a) Chris Roberts (commenting on myself here while LIFE ON STAGE ... TWICE !)
b) Ben "Giga Potato" Lesnick
c) Jared "Disco Lando" Huckaby
d) someone high up in Foundry 42 Frankfurt (doa i ihna zvü' deitsch red um Ami oda Brit z'sei ;-)

Have fun

not a clue what you are talking about right now. pretty much not a single word of it

Erillion · March 2016

SEANMCAD said:

not a clue what you are talking about right now. pretty much not a single word of it

Blessed is thy existence.

Have fun

SEANMCAD · March 2016

TheYear1500 said:

SEANMCAD said:

TheYear1500 said:

DKLond said:

I wish more people were as terrible as Chris Roberts so we could have more games like Privateer, Freelancer, Wing Commander 1 -4 and so forth.

Clearly, he has no idea what making games is all about

Ya Freelancer was thanks to Microsoft not CR, if it was up to CR that game never would have been finished. And the Wing Commander games 2-4 had other people making them, with input form CR.

Its sad how people try to change history.

what is really creepy is that people are a 'strong' critics of this game know FAR to much about it and the history of CR. its creepy who spends that much time getting educated about something they hate?

LOL, yes reading the wiki page sure does take a lot of effort.

I love the projecting of "hate", or that everyone that is critical of the game is "hating". So how much have you spent on SC that you have to attack the truth and everyone that disagrees with you? Are you worried that you wasted your money?

Oh and I love your mantra of "down with education", "no one should know anything about anything". It has to be nice to be so much in love with ignorance. After all they say "ignorance is bliss"

I think SC is a poorly managed project, that tends to promise more than it can deliver, is always later and is better at marketing then it is at delivering and as a result I have not given a dime to them. Thus my general disintrest in the game at this time doesnt lend me to make a hobby of reading wiki's about the history of SC just so I can troll on a message board rather than just simply posting my misgivings about the game.

Talonsin · March 2016

SEANMCAD said:

Talonsin said:

SEANMCAD said:

I think SC project IS ripe with feature creep, not managed well outside of advertising. Just so you know I am not a SC fan

You keep saying you are not a fan and yet 99% of your posts are in defense of SC. Seems odd to me...

does this qualify as that 99%?

'I think SC project IS ripe with feature creep, not managed well outside of advertising'

You suck at math and reasoning. If 99% of your comments are FOR the game then your single negative comment would be a part of the 1%. Its actually kind of sad I had to explain this to you. As you seem to have a learning disability I will stop using any kind of math in my comments to you.

TheYear1500 · March 2016

Erillion is a poster that spends a lot of time promoting SC, just look at the first page, most of the threads are started by him and mostly just contain his posts. He also likes to spread misinformation about CIG, and SC in order to make them look better or to hide the truth. or misrepresent information to make CIG look better.

His posts have become very predictable. And yes a few people have claimed to "know" who is he, namely someone that works for CIG. Most people don't know if that is true or not, only that he spends a lot of time defending CIG and spreading their propaganda.

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