Not since I stepped foot in SWG, and started taming razor cats to make my first class unlock ..Creature Handler, have I fallen in love with a game. I love to tame horses and make a small profit selling them on the marketplace, I also love grinding with friends (just like the DAoC days), and figuring out the node system. It isn't a perfect game, but it made this jaded old gamer happy for once.
Or, maybe just OR... these developers hype a game a certain way and then bait and switch close to release and people vocalize their honest displeasure and disappointment with how things turn out. Just a wild theory here.
Would agree... except bdo didn't hype anything (I didn't even know about this game if it wasn't for a friend of mine), gave it try, realised it's easily one of the best MMO's out there on so many levels, se a great feedback overall with praise and what not and then come in here to see the most ridiculous complains on a game that sets standards in certain aspects...
It really is a great game though. It has been a while since anything has been so awesome. I myself heard from a friend about this. I stopped following games because they are always overhyped. Tried this in cb and loved it. Further in retail now and love it more. I'm happy with it and that's my opinion of it. Understand some hate it but look at the good. It actually works and isn't buggy like age of conan or others.
Yeah I totally agree with you, I've been having a blast with this game
Just saw another thread about how there's "so much to do." I just didn't have the heart to burst his bubble. It took me the better part of beta + another 1 to 2 weeks to explore the world in its entirety. I thought, well at least there is all this other stuff, which mostly turned out to be super shallow content that doesn't really seem fleshed out. Neat ideas, but I can't help to feel like they're more gimmicks than anything else. I don't even think p2w killed AA as fast as a lack of meaningful content will kill this game.
The quest content is probably of the lowest caliber since ever. Just more of the same. Monotonous busy work. And dailies. Ugh can't people give that horrible system a rest? And don't get me started on the combat. I actually miss Tera and Neverwinter after playing this. Its that bad.
edit: oh and this is what I learned playing on a friends account when he wasn't online. I'd hate for anyone to be left with the impression that I actually spent money on this game.
And this type of person is why I barely post on this site.
Why the need to "burst people's bubbles"? What will you gain? Making people not happy is something so good? See I don't get your type. Why not move on? Constructive criticism is one, going in a game discussion board just to bash it is another.
Nobody is stopping you from playing Tera or Neverwinter. I'm sure many people would laugh if you think those games are a huge success.
He's right though honestly the games nothing new really all mmo's are going to the trash lately... Played the KR version that's had so much more updates still no content really... then the new additions they added in the NA release made it worse! Might as well just stop trying to find a good mmo and when I do it just dies or goes down hill fast but that's how mmo's work...
Just saw another thread about how there's "so much to do." I just didn't have the heart to burst his bubble. It took me the better part of beta + another 1 to 2 weeks to explore the world in its entirety. I thought, well at least there is all this other stuff, which mostly turned out to be super shallow content that doesn't really seem fleshed out. Neat ideas, but I can't help to feel like they're more gimmicks than anything else. I don't even think p2w killed AA as fast as a lack of meaningful content will kill this game.
The quest content is probably of the lowest caliber since ever. Just more of the same. Monotonous busy work. And dailies. Ugh can't people give that horrible system a rest? And don't get me started on the combat. I actually miss Tera and Neverwinter after playing this. Its that bad.
edit: oh and this is what I learned playing on a friends account when he wasn't online. I'd hate for anyone to be left with the impression that I actually spent money on this game.
And this type of person is why I barely post on this site.
Why the need to "burst people's bubbles"? What will you gain? Making people not happy is something so good? See I don't get your type. Why not move on? Constructive criticism is one, going in a game discussion board just to bash it is another.
Nobody is stopping you from playing Tera or Neverwinter. I'm sure many people would laugh if you think those games are a huge success.
Ya, I'm right here. Reread what I said. I did not burst his bubble. There was no need. I took my thought to another thread. If he wants to think that, he can. Ignorance is bliss.
In a general thread about bashing games, however, some things need to be said. Until people demand better quality games, we won't get them. Until people stop letting developers force feed and subsequently train you to like and expect poor games full of regurgitated bad ideas, you will never see good ones again.
Thats what we stand to gain. What do you stand to gain by trying to convince yourself and others that this horse shit the industry keeps shoveling is passable for anyone of any age?
No exception - wait til BD is out of honeymoon phase - it's going to be bashed to high heavens.
Once people realize that they're basically playing a solo game - the question of why will happen - for what purpose am I doing all the node investments, and workers to farm potatoes to make more beer and earn more silver and afk fishing..
The question comes to - why am I doing this - as it's a PvP game where gear matters a lot.
Those that get to 45 and realize that XP spots are camped by PK guilds - another rude awakening - either join PvP guild or basically stop leveling.
Enjoy it while it lasts is all I am gonna say - I think BDO is a fantastic solo casual game, but casuals get bored and have zero tolernace for PvP usually.
The game funnels you towards PvP in the end - the best grind spots are all PvP contested - so again - I have a feeling it's a journey that is in the end short lived for many - but it's still totally worth $30 IMO even if you play it solo for a week and quit.
Read official forums - solo players hitting 45+ are already complaining about getting one-shotted by rangers in +15 gear - like I said - it's a rude awakening for many.
How is it a solo game if PVP guilds are working together as a guild to camp spots?
Dude, just because it's not Archeage and you can't get carried as a no-land-owning freeloader like yourself by your guild doesn't make it a solo game.
Anyway, I really doubt PVP guilds can have all the best spots on lockdown on 9 different channels.
No exception - wait til BD is out of honeymoon phase - it's going to be bashed to high heavens.
Once people realize that they're basically playing a solo game - the question of why will happen - for what purpose am I doing all the node investments, and workers to farm potatoes to make more beer and earn more silver and afk fishing..
The question comes to - why am I doing this - as it's a PvP game where gear matters a lot.
Those that get to 45 and realize that XP spots are camped by PK guilds - another rude awakening - either join PvP guild or basically stop leveling.
Enjoy it while it lasts is all I am gonna say - I think BDO is a fantastic solo casual game, but casuals get bored and have zero tolernace for PvP usually.
The game funnels you towards PvP in the end - the best grind spots are all PvP contested - so again - I have a feeling it's a journey that is in the end short lived for many - but it's still totally worth $30 IMO even if you play it solo for a week and quit.
Read official forums - solo players hitting 45+ are already complaining about getting one-shotted by rangers in +15 gear - like I said - it's a rude awakening for many.
Agree with DMKano on everything but, "but it's still totally worth $30 IMO even if you play it solo for a week and quit." I suggest you don't spend the cash.
As for the OP, everyone has an opinion, here sometimes folks have two or three depending on the week. No point getting upset about it. In between the bashing on one side and fanbois on the other, typically the truth about a game can be discerned. Personally I think BDO is a disappointment for most of the reasons stated in this thread. But that's just my opinion, it's not personal.
Ya, I'm right here. Reread what I said. I did not burst his bubble. There was no need. I took my thought to another thread. If he wants to think that, he can. Ignorance is bliss.
In a general thread about bashing games, however, some things need to be said. Until people demand better quality games, we won't get them. Until people stop letting developers force feed and subsequently train you to like and expect poor games full of regurgitated bad ideas, you will never see good ones again.
Thats what we stand to gain. What do you stand to gain by trying to convince yourself and others that this horse shit the industry keeps shoveling is passable for anyone of any age?
I read it clearly, mine was a question not aimed only at you but to anyone that clearly doesn't intend to keep on playing the game or didn't even play the game yet feel the need to go in those discussion boards to share their distaste of the game or all korean games in general.
"There's so much to do" I just didn't have the heart to burst his bubble." - There is indeed a lot of stuff to do, the difference is maybe you don't enjoy crafting so it might not be content for you. I personally hate crafting but wouldn't dismiss it as content because it is content. I will however attempt taming horses as that seems intriguing.
If your aim in a game is to level as quickly as possible to reach endgame and do dungeons for phat loots, sure the game doesn't have much to do. If on the other hand you understand this game is not about the endgame but the journey, like a Bethesda game, you will have stuff to do.
By your tone, you are not trying to make a discussion but merely bashing it because in your opinion it's shallow. Even your last statement begs the question on why you are even in this game's board of discussion "oh and this is what I learned playing on a friends account when he wasn't online. I'd hate for anyone to be left with the impression that I actually spent money on this game."
There will never be a perfect game. Best you get used to that now, or you will never enjoy an mmo.
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In the end games are just ways to waste time. Is any game really "worth" playing? How do you put a value on time out of your life spent doing something that doesn't directly benefit being alive? In the end no games are really "worth" it, unless you are able to provide yourself with tangible items or money from playing it. It comes down to, whether or not you enjoy the game, if you don't enjoy it, look for one you do enjoy. If you can't find a game you enjoy, go outside.
Sure, I see a lot of people bashing BDO, but you act like the opposite isn't true as well. There are a lot of people out there touting BDO as the best thing ever. Being tolerant of one means you have to be tolerant of the other. Besides, it's not like this argument is new or anything. This has been going on as long as MMOs have had competition. Remember GW2? "It's about the journey!" "You don't need gear in GW2!" "You rushed all the content." The list of excuses, bashes, and complements goes on, and on. It's no different with BDO. In fact, the same arguments are being used. Replace BDO with GW2 and this thread looks awfully familiar, even if the context is different.
The fact is that, like music, or television, people enjoy different things. Some will like BDO for what it offers, or in some cases does NOT offer, and that's OK. Some will hate it for the same reasons. I'm OK with you preaching its good points as long as you're OK with me bashing it for its low points.
One last thing. Which MMO we play is not a status symbol. If people would stop treating it as such, and not taking these things so personally, a lot of this "hate" you see might go away.
If there's something I learned from this wonderful place is that no matter how good a game is, when it's released or near release, it's bashing time. No seriously some people in here have made their life goal to bash on games as much as they can. Just think about it, Archeage was hyped up... ended being bashed to no stop... B&S was hyped up... bashed once more.... I mean there's this game called pantheon and it's already recieving bashing and I think it only has like 1 trailer or something...
but of course let's not forget the most important one... of course you know who it is, our good friend BDO.. the one and only BDO... but BDO isn't like the other ones, NOOOooo BDO doesn't try to be like the other ones, it doesn't try to be the old "grind to max level to grind the same raid over and over again until you have better gear to once again grind the same raid but on a harder difficulty"... no it tends to focus on the adventure and not the "end" since tecnically it doesn't have an end... it just gives us tools to play around in the world and do what we feel like... yet people still bash on it. The world in this game is beyond any other MMO world I've ever seen yet people still rush to 50, skip all the quests and systems the game offers and then are like "but where's the content"...
but you know I thought to myself a little and then I realised... people in here will never be happy... maybe it's not the game, maybe it's the community. MMO's have been so stale lately that they have to constantly bash on a game or they'll die on the inside... and I'm not gonna criticise you for that... that is not my intention at all... tbh I don't have an intention... I'm just curious to know who's the next victim? what's the next hyped up that will recieve the fury of the ones who call themselves true "MMO fans"... I'm guessing it's Bless Online right? Everyone's hyping bless online so it's gonna be entertaining to see it being released and then recieving the most ridiculous complains ever by people that never played it (hmm kinda like what's happening right now)...
Let's do this my fellow soliders, let's show the world how angry the true MMO fans are
So this is kind of like saying, I really hate bullies who randomly attack people and just start beating on them. Here, let me grab someone and hold him for you."
I hear what you're saying but way to tee up the trolls....
I read it clearly, mine was a question not aimed only at you but to anyone that clearly doesn't intend to keep on playing the game or didn't even play the game yet feel the need to go in those discussion boards to share their distaste of the game or all korean games in general.
"There's so much to do" I just didn't have the heart to burst his bubble." - There is indeed a lot of stuff to do, the difference is maybe you don't enjoy crafting so it might not be content for you. I personally hate crafting but wouldn't dismiss it as content because it is content. I will however attempt taming horses as that seems intriguing.
I actually like crafting, and I think it could be great if there was real depth there and those things actually had an impact on the rest of the game like in real sandbox mmos of the past, but they don't. It feels like tacked on fluff features to me.
If your aim in a game is to level as quickly as possible to reach endgame and do dungeons for phat loots, sure the game doesn't have much to do. If on the other hand you understand this game is not about the endgame but the journey, like a Bethesda game, you will have stuff to do.
As someone who plays games that are "about the Journey" exclusively, I find it almost humorous for it to be applied to Black Desert. We're talking about a game that takes roughly 20 hours of grouping to reach soft cap. Likewise, most of the major benchmarks in other forms of content and progression are accomplished in short order, and from there its nothing but various forms of "bad" grinding for minor gains. I'm sorry, that isn't how a game about "the journey" works.
By your tone, you are not trying to make a discussion but merely bashing it because in your opinion it's shallow. Even your last statement begs the question on why you are even in this game's board of discussion "oh and this is what I learned playing on a friends account when he wasn't online. I'd hate for anyone to be left with the impression that I actually spent money on this game."
There will never be a perfect game. Best you get used to that now, or you will never enjoy an mmo.
I'm here because I saw this thread on the main page, and then saw people pondering why or how people could "bash" a game such as this. So I explained it in no uncertain terms. Its something that needs to be said. These kinds of games should be ridiculed. Its not even a matter of BDO being a game that I don't like, because if you look back to the beginning of this subforum, you will see posts by me praising the game and its ideas. What we got however, was broken promises, shallow unfinished ideas, and a totally different game than was originally announced... all hidden behind pretty graphics that they knew stupid westerners would blindly accept in place of a quality product.
I'm lovin' this game. I fully intend NOT to do the gating quest at 45 that allows you to reach 46 and therefore PVP. I have already sat two weeks at 30'ish doing my stuff, and when at 45, I will sit there doing my stuff. PVP is a tini, tini part of this game and is so unimportant it is about the only game system that doesn't have a ranking in place.
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Like it so far happy to keep going till 45 and then see.
I absolutely love the game. It's well worth the $30.
However, the gold spammers have set up camp and dominate chat channels (even though its all 100% a scam), and Daum support is completely non-existent. No, seriously ... I'm at 7 days on a ticket about a compromised account (Daum security is poop, no authenticator etc, and I was an idiot and used an old email address), with no response. There are several other members in the forum with a similar problem; I can't even play the game at this point, and support won't even reply to any of the tickets I've submitted. There's also no number to call, so ... At 14 days, your tickets auto-close. Hoping to get a response before then ...
From my experience in another open world game where it was possible for one single whale to solo multiple non-whales, lockdown shouldn't be too hard to achieve for a decent sized and powerful guild in a pay-to-win game like the Korean version. You only need like, one person per channel with everyone ready to switch to anhilate most non-whales, and any rival whale guilds you simply start up an alliance with (there aren't many whales in the first place so it tends to be a good idea for them to ally with each other).
The US version might be different if the cash shop doesn't change because one single player won't be able to whale up to become 3x stronger than the non-whales in the US version. Of course, that's assuming the cash shop doesn't change.
If there's something I learned from this wonderful place is that no matter how good a game is, when it's released or near release, it's bashing time.
It's usually the fanboys stance to interpret any form of criticism as "bashing". When I read ppl saying "OMG best game EVAR" or "OMG I want to marry my char, best gfx EVAR", not only do I want to pull what's left of my hair out, I also feel compelled to write an equally overblown but opposite view....to level out the playing field. But yeah there is also a lot of negativism going on here. Perhaps it has to do with many gamers being clinically depressed. You tend to lash out at anything you can when you're depressed.
If there wasn't anything to bash, there wouldn't be any bashing. Back in the days, Everquest and WoW got very little of it once server issues were gone 1-2 weeks into release. It was praises after praises for months if not years. Same with UO.
Then came the "WoW clone" typical excuse to bash a game, whether that's relevant or not is up to you. I personally dislike BDO, in fact hate it with my guts, but I'm not going on a campaign to bash it either. I'm just here to try to understand what people like in it and why I don't. I really enjoy MMOs, but for some reason B&S and BDO I can't. Maybe the asian grind pill from early US/EU Aion did not go through yet, even after so many years.
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In a general thread about bashing games, however, some things need to be said. Until people demand better quality games, we won't get them. Until people stop letting developers force feed and subsequently train you to like and expect poor games full of regurgitated bad ideas, you will never see good ones again.
Thats what we stand to gain. What do you stand to gain by trying to convince yourself and others that this horse shit the industry keeps shoveling is passable for anyone of any age?
Dude, just because it's not Archeage and you can't get carried as a no-land-owning freeloader like yourself by your guild doesn't make it a solo game.
Anyway, I really doubt PVP guilds can have all the best spots on lockdown on 9 different channels.
Agree with DMKano on everything but, "but it's still totally worth $30 IMO even if you play it solo for a week and quit." I suggest you don't spend the cash.
As for the OP, everyone has an opinion, here sometimes folks have two or three depending on the week. No point getting upset about it. In between the bashing on one side and fanbois on the other, typically the truth about a game can be discerned. Personally I think BDO is a disappointment for most of the reasons stated in this thread. But that's just my opinion, it's not personal.
"There's so much to do" I just didn't have the heart to burst his bubble." - There is indeed a lot of stuff to do, the difference is maybe you don't enjoy crafting so it might not be content for you. I personally hate crafting but wouldn't dismiss it as content because it is content. I will however attempt taming horses as that seems intriguing.
If your aim in a game is to level as quickly as possible to reach endgame and do dungeons for phat loots, sure the game doesn't have much to do. If on the other hand you understand this game is not about the endgame but the journey, like a Bethesda game, you will have stuff to do.
By your tone, you are not trying to make a discussion but merely bashing it because in your opinion it's shallow. Even your last statement begs the question on why you are even in this game's board of discussion "oh and this is what I learned playing on a friends account when he wasn't online. I'd hate for anyone to be left with the impression that I actually spent money on this game."
There will never be a perfect game. Best you get used to that now, or you will never enjoy an mmo.
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The fact is that, like music, or television, people enjoy different things. Some will like BDO for what it offers, or in some cases does NOT offer, and that's OK. Some will hate it for the same reasons. I'm OK with you preaching its good points as long as you're OK with me bashing it for its low points.
One last thing. Which MMO we play is not a status symbol. If people would stop treating it as such, and not taking these things so personally, a lot of this "hate" you see might go away.
Can't have a reaction without an action.
I hear what you're saying but way to tee up the trolls....
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The Black Desert jealousy continues.
I'm here because I saw this thread on the main page, and then saw people pondering why or how people could "bash" a game such as this. So I explained it in no uncertain terms. Its something that needs to be said. These kinds of games should be ridiculed. Its not even a matter of BDO being a game that I don't like, because if you look back to the beginning of this subforum, you will see posts by me praising the game and its ideas. What we got however, was broken promises, shallow unfinished ideas, and a totally different game than was originally announced... all hidden behind pretty graphics that they knew stupid westerners would blindly accept in place of a quality product.
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Bingo!! Someone gets it.
Oh god, you are one of a kind.
However, the gold spammers have set up camp and dominate chat channels (even though its all 100% a scam), and Daum support is completely non-existent. No, seriously ... I'm at 7 days on a ticket about a compromised account (Daum security is poop, no authenticator etc, and I was an idiot and used an old email address), with no response. There are several other members in the forum with a similar problem; I can't even play the game at this point, and support won't even reply to any of the tickets I've submitted. There's also no number to call, so ... At 14 days, your tickets auto-close. Hoping to get a response before then ...
The US version might be different if the cash shop doesn't change because one single player won't be able to whale up to become 3x stronger than the non-whales in the US version. Of course, that's assuming the cash shop doesn't change.
When I read ppl saying "OMG best game EVAR" or "OMG I want to marry my char, best gfx EVAR", not only do I want to pull what's left of my hair out, I also feel compelled to write an equally overblown but opposite view....to level out the playing field.
But yeah there is also a lot of negativism going on here. Perhaps it has to do with many gamers being clinically depressed. You tend to lash out at anything you can when you're depressed.
Then came the "WoW clone" typical excuse to bash a game, whether that's relevant or not is up to you. I personally dislike BDO, in fact hate it with my guts, but I'm not going on a campaign to bash it either. I'm just here to try to understand what people like in it and why I don't. I really enjoy MMOs, but for some reason B&S and BDO I can't. Maybe the asian grind pill from early US/EU Aion did not go through yet, even after so many years.