Is this game for me?

Tekton · April 2016

I've been away from mmo's for quite some time, wanting to get back in.

I remember eyeing this game a while back, and now that it's playable I'm wondering if it's a game I'd enjoy.

I'm not overly enjoyed by PvP, a little bit here and there is fun but I'm not looking for a game that I have to PvP in.
I love to craft, how is crafting in this game? Is crafting meaningful and something you can devote alot of time to?
How's the PvE? I'm mainly interested in PvE content to be honest.

Thanks in advance.
-Tekton

Void425 · April 2016

The only thing multiplayer about this game is the PVP. You have to craft everything you want yourself and you can not make any money selling stuff on the market since the min/max are locked. Raw resources are never sold because the Max selling price is way too low. High-End stuff is never purchased because the Min Price is way too high.

Tekton · April 2016

Ouch, I guess I have to keep looking. Thanks.

Void425 · April 2016

Everyone is looking for a game these days. Nothing has came out for a long time that really got peoples attention. Riders of Icarus does not have a lot of hype yet, but I am in the closed beta that started tomorrow. You could sign up and perhaps you would get in one of the upcoming Beta's for Riders of Icarus.

http://icarus.nexon.net/en

It will be nice to see if they can come out with a good flying combat PVE and PVP mix out of this.
The only other titles I have played from NEXON were Atlantica Online and Vindictus. Both very different genres, I felt they were both great products for what they delivered.

Realizer · April 2016

Tekton said:

Ouch, I guess I have to keep looking. Thanks.

Don't listen to misinformation from people who are only interested in bashing systems they don't fully understand. That being said, the only person who can decide if it's a game for you, is you. I craft fishing boats for free using my workers, then I sell said fishing boats on the market for 1.5 million silver per, they sell in 10 mins of me listing every time so far. I craft fishing rods for free with my workers and make 700k per mediah rod as well.

There are lots of things you do to craft and make money, people are just upset they can't charge 20 million silver for something everyone can craft for free. You can make a killing right now, if you have Liverto Blades for Musa/Maehwa to sell, since the class just released and everyone needs a liverto etc.

PvP is a semi forced thing, after you are level 45+ you can be attacked anywhere outside the cities which are safe. While yes you can do almost everything in the game solo, it is more efficient to be in groups for things like farming mobs for drops or exp.

Talon_Deathraven · April 2016

Personally i pass all the Korean games.

Gdemami · April 2016

Realizer said:
I craft fishing rods for free with my workers

Here it is, exactly like I said earlier. Priceless.

Yeah, tell us more about systems people "don't really understand"....

Realizer · April 2016

Gdemami said:

Realizer said:
I craft fishing rods for free with my workers

Here it is, exactly like I said earlier. Priceless.

Yeah, tell us more about systems people "don't really understand"....

Care to explain how what I said is incorrect? I'm merely relaying my play time, I'd love if you could actually explain how this is wrong. You won't though, because everything I said is true.

Edit: We all know you're just mad because BDO has taken population away from the games you play.

Realizer · April 2016

Gdemami said:

Realizer said:
I craft fishing rods for free with my workers

Here it is, exactly like I said earlier. Priceless.

Yeah, tell us more about systems people "don't really understand"....

Of course, no answer from you. Because you know what I say is true, and you don't know enough about the game to refute what I say. My points still stand, have fun being a hater.

Shinobe · April 2016

For what ever reason i can´t Quote to void425. So manually:

void425: "The only thing multiplayer about this game is the PVP. You have to craft everything you want yourself and you can not make any money selling stuff on the market since the min/max are locked. Raw resources are never sold because the Max selling price is way too low. High-End stuff is never purchased because the Min Price is way too high."

This is so wrong...

Also at lvl 45 you are PVP flagged, automaticlly. You can get killed. If you are not in a Guild War with the Player that killed you, he will get negative Karma. If your Karma is too low, you cant enter a City anymore. Plus, you get a skull symbol on the map and every Player can see you and will kill you (if you kill a Player with a skull, you dont get negative Karma). So, you get mostly killed when you try to "steal" a good farm spot. BUT yes, it is open PVP, except in safezones.

Yes, you can craft 90% of the stuff, it takes time but is cheap, you also can farm 90% of the items. so it is up to you where you get your fun. I like "grinding" i played Everquest 1, i am used to it. Waiting for one mob that Drops, maybe what you want, for 3-4 days. It is not that bad in BDO, but RNGsus needs to be on you side.

I just played for 5 days now and enjoy the game, i sold every thing at the marked, to make fast money to buy a horse (there is no teleport between Citys etc, so you WANT a horse early, you get a donkey for free but ist slower). I sold raw resources the best, so this info is wrong.

The System is made, that you always need raw resources. You make money fast by, killing Mobs, trading or horse breeding, it is up to you how you play the game. And thats the most point where you loose ppl this days.

BDO is NOT a Theme Park like WoW or BnS. It is totaly up to you what you do in this game. We have someone in the guild who is just enjoying trading, except for help with guild quests, he is doing nothing else. Another one is mostly doing horse breeding.

BUT i also have to say, if you want to Play srsly in this game, you have to pay some real Money to get pearls from the shop and buy some stuff, like invetory Slots, or stuff that help with horse breeding, trading. So there is no difference from a monthly Sub (13 Euros) or other Chash Shop games. Heck it is a Hobby, Hobbys cost Money and buying here and there stuff from the in game shop i dont mind (even i think the costumes are a bit overpriced)

Just ask in the forum for a guest pass, there are plenty of ppl sharing them and they hold for 7 days.

For the complexity of the game, yes the first 2 days, jebus, it is so much to do, and stuff like fishing, horse taming is a mini game (also you can AFK fishing when you want), the trading/node System looks complicated at the first look, but after some vids orfForum posts you get used to it very quick.

This game is not complicated, it is complex. Like i said, it should be easy to get a guest pass and try it for 7 days to see if it is for you. I would compare it more to Everquest 1, Vanguard, Eve online if you want to have some similar games.

Best Shino

I just have to add, if you are looking for a game to log in every second day for 2-3 hours. This game is NOT for you. i thought i should mention it

Tekton · April 2016

Thanks for everyones input, very much appreciated. Doesn't sound all bad to be honest.

I'll give it another look

Gdemami · April 2016

Realizer said:
Care to explain how what I said is incorrect? I'm merely relaying my play time, I'd love if you could actually explain how this is wrong. You won't though, because everything I said is true.

Edit: We all know you're just mad because BDO has taken population away from the games you play.

What more explanation is needed...? You do not craft the rod for free, period.

It is no wonder you cannot grasp the fundamental issues with the game economy when you do not understand elementary principles of economics.

Same goes for other game mechanics and design. Being illiterate does not make things any more "awesome", it makes you oblivious to reality.

Liking the game is one thing but pretending it is something it isn't is another...

Realizer · April 2016

Gdemami said:

Realizer said:
Care to explain how what I said is incorrect? I'm merely relaying my play time, I'd love if you could actually explain how this is wrong. You won't though, because everything I said is true.

Edit: We all know you're just mad because BDO has taken population away from the games you play.

What more explanation is needed...? You do not craft the rod for free, period.

It is no wonder you cannot grasp the fundamental issues with the game economy when you do not understand elementary principles of economics.

Same goes for other game mechanics and design. Being illiterate does not make things any more "awesome", it makes you oblivious to reality.

Liking the game is one thing but pretending it is something it isn't is another...

My workers produce more than they cost to operate, it's designed to be that way. The only thing manually needed for crafting the Mediah rod is mining roughtstones, which the workers to refine into blackstone powder. When it's all done I list it on the market, then collect my silver when it sells.

My grasp of the game is fine, because I actually play it. I don't just sit on the BDO subforum of mmorpg, waiting to tell everyone who plays the game that they don't know what they're talking about, like you do.

You can hate the game all you want, but don't pretend you're an expert when you clearly aren't. Not only that, I understand economics quite well, it's the main reason I don't have problems with not being able to afford things.

Gdemami · April 2016

Realizer said:
My workers produce more than they cost to operate, it's designed to be that way. The only thing manually needed for crafting the Mediah rod is mining roughtstones, which the workers to refine into blackstone powder. When it's all done I list it on the market, then collect my silver when it sells.

My grasp of the game is fine, because I actually play it. I don't just sit on the BDO subforum of mmorpg, waiting to tell everyone who plays the game that they don't know what they're talking about, like you do.

You can hate the game all you want, but don't pretend you're an expert when you clearly aren't. Not only that, I understand economics quite well, it's the main reason I don't have problems with not being able to afford things.

..says the man who craft rods for free. Enough said.

Azoth · April 2016

While crafting isn't free, it certainly is profitable. Most of my money comes from crafting and fishing. The best return on investment is fishing with steel rod at the moment. The rod cost about 20k of mats to craft and net you around 1 million worth of fishes while also not having an energy cost. Most cooking recipe net you about 50% profit margin, processing gathered material is also pretty good profit.

The wealthiest people on each servers are PVE focused people. (PVE as in crafting focused, not grinding mobs)

Realizer · April 2016

Gdemami said:

Realizer said:
My workers produce more than they cost to operate, it's designed to be that way. The only thing manually needed for crafting the Mediah rod is mining roughtstones, which the workers to refine into blackstone powder. When it's all done I list it on the market, then collect my silver when it sells.

My grasp of the game is fine, because I actually play it. I don't just sit on the BDO subforum of mmorpg, waiting to tell everyone who plays the game that they don't know what they're talking about, like you do.

You can hate the game all you want, but don't pretend you're an expert when you clearly aren't. Not only that, I understand economics quite well, it's the main reason I don't have problems with not being able to afford things.

..says the man who craft rods for free. Enough said.

Care to explain how it's not free? I'm making a profit, off workers that either sit idle, or do something to make profit. That's their function it's binary, they are either on or off. What you fail to understand is, if your view of the BDO economy were true I'd never have a surplus of silver because I'd never make profit.

I'm aware it's not the way YOU want to make a profit in games you play. Doesn't mean there's no way to make silver in BDO, to say otherwise just shows your bias.

Gdemami · April 2016

Azoth said:

While crafting isn't free, it certainly is profitable. Most of my money comes from crafting and fishing. The best return on investment is fishing with steel rod at the moment. The rod cost about 20k of mats to craft and net you around 1 million worth of fishes while also not having an energy cost. Most cooking recipe net you about 50% profit margin, processing gathered material is also pretty good profit.

The wealthiest people on each servers are PVE focused people. (PVE as in crafting focused, not grinding mobs)

Nah, grinding mobs still make you way more silver per hour.

Granted, afk fishing still makes nice money and is truly "free" since there is next to none labour involved. It probably stands for the most efficient way of making silver though.

With that said, it is rather sad and something that speaks for "true depth" of the game, or its lack of...

Realizer · April 2016

Gdemami said:

Azoth said:

While crafting isn't free, it certainly is profitable. Most of my money comes from crafting and fishing. The best return on investment is fishing with steel rod at the moment. The rod cost about 20k of mats to craft and net you around 1 million worth of fishes while also not having an energy cost. Most cooking recipe net you about 50% profit margin, processing gathered material is also pretty good profit.

The wealthiest people on each servers are PVE focused people. (PVE as in crafting focused, not grinding mobs)

Nah, grinding mobs still make you way more silver per hour.

Granted, afk fishing still makes nice money and is truly "free" since there is next to none labour involved. It probably stands for the most efficient way of making silver though.

With that said, it is rather sad and something that speaks for "true depth" of the game, or its lack of...

Grinding is only more profitable if you have a group to hold down a good spot. If you don't, life skills (trade,fishing,horse breeding) mixed with a bit of solo grinding in an unpopular spot, is the best way to go. In any case, playing the game will make you profit no matter what way you play it, unless you sit idle etc.

Azaron_Nightblade · April 2016

Tekton said:

Thanks for everyones input, very much appreciated. Doesn't sound all bad to be honest.

I'll give it another look

You should! Always make up your own mind. ^.^
I don't bother with PvP, and so far I haven't come into contact with it once. Despite just dinging to 50 yesterday, after a few weeks of playing at 45+ (AKA PvP enabled).

Some want to slander the game, either because they don't like it, or because they are the type that wants to see every MMO fail due to some perverse, psychological issue on their end. (Or at least that's my theory for them acting that way. Schadenfreude all the way for some x.x)

Azoth · April 2016

Gdemami said:

Azoth said:

While crafting isn't free, it certainly is profitable. Most of my money comes from crafting and fishing. The best return on investment is fishing with steel rod at the moment. The rod cost about 20k of mats to craft and net you around 1 million worth of fishes while also not having an energy cost. Most cooking recipe net you about 50% profit margin, processing gathered material is also pretty good profit.

The wealthiest people on each servers are PVE focused people. (PVE as in crafting focused, not grinding mobs)

Nah, grinding mobs still make you way more silver per hour.

Granted, afk fishing still makes nice money and is truly "free" since there is next to none labour involved. It probably stands for the most efficient way of making silver though.

With that said, it is rather sad and something that speaks for "true depth" of the game, or its lack of...

I never really grinded mobs other than to do quests, how much can you get grinding mobs ? While active fishing I can get around 2 millions an hour. I am currently ranked 3 on my channel for wealth, so I guess that what I am doing is working.

Scorchien · April 2016

Tekton said:

I've been away from mmo's for quite some time, wanting to get back in.

I remember eyeing this game a while back, and now that it's playable I'm wondering if it's a game I'd enjoy.

I'm not overly enjoyed by PvP, a little bit here and there is fun but I'm not looking for a game that I have to PvP in.
I love to craft, how is crafting in this game? Is crafting meaningful and something you can devote alot of time to?
How's the PvE? I'm mainly interested in PvE content to be honest.

Thanks in advance.
-Tekton

no

lunawisp · April 2016

Tekton said:

Thanks for everyones input, very much appreciated. Doesn't sound all bad to be honest.
I'll give it another look

Try to get hold of a 7 days pass to try it out. You don't want to spend money on a game that you're not going to like.

Tiller · April 2016

lunawisp said:

Tekton said:

Thanks for everyones input, very much appreciated. Doesn't sound all bad to be honest.
I'll give it another look

Try to get hold of a 7 days pass to try it out. You don't want to spend money on a game that you're not going to like.

Best advice yet. Try before you buy.

daveospice · April 2016

I'll keep it short and simple.

I haven't liked a game this much since Ultima Online. Don't listen to the naysayers, join me in the guild I'm in we're a bunch of nice guys and we can teach you how to play. Trust me it's addictive, I've put in 200+ hours already.

rojoArcueid · April 2016

Tiller said:

lunawisp said:

Tekton said:

Thanks for everyones input, very much appreciated. Doesn't sound all bad to be honest.
I'll give it another look

Try to get hold of a 7 days pass to try it out. You don't want to spend money on a game that you're not going to like.

Best advice yet. Try before you buy.

Definitely the best advice, even if the game is good, which is personal preference. I personally love BDO, but nobody can answer the OP question "is the game for me?". His answer lies in trying the game by him/herself. It applies to every game.

Iselin · April 2016

Azoth said:

Gdemami said:

Azoth said:

While crafting isn't free, it certainly is profitable. Most of my money comes from crafting and fishing. The best return on investment is fishing with steel rod at the moment. The rod cost about 20k of mats to craft and net you around 1 million worth of fishes while also not having an energy cost. Most cooking recipe net you about 50% profit margin, processing gathered material is also pretty good profit.

The wealthiest people on each servers are PVE focused people. (PVE as in crafting focused, not grinding mobs)

Nah, grinding mobs still make you way more silver per hour.

Granted, afk fishing still makes nice money and is truly "free" since there is next to none labour involved. It probably stands for the most efficient way of making silver though.

With that said, it is rather sad and something that speaks for "true depth" of the game, or its lack of...

I never really grinded mobs other than to do quests, how much can you get grinding mobs ? While active fishing I can get around 2 millions an hour. I am currently ranked 3 on my channel for wealth, so I guess that what I am doing is working.

If you look at the top 3 ranked people on any server by wealth and then see what else the same people may be ranked top 3 in you'll always see that it's trading, alchemy or even gathering where they're also at the top. But you know, like in any forum here, the supercilious trolls know best

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