The Devs simply don't see to be able to do any better a job with Interviews than their game.
Casey Keefe says SOE has never and will never give numbers for SWG. Is that to us or stock holders or is it pretty much everyone? If the numbers were not embarassing why not show them? Blizzard doesn't mind. But it is of course a lie of sorts. There have been a few times in the past, in the beginning when players didn't realise how poor the Quality and Development process at SOE / LA was when they were telling us when the population broke certain watermarks.
We do of course know the people at SOE are telling us the population has continued to climb. They said it is doing better than any of their other games. SWG or Matrix Online, hmmmm close call as to which I think will fold first.
The Quality at SOE in SWG has been terrible from day one. The desire to listen to players has been laughable, the desire to make changes that players want has simply not exsisted. If I were to hope for a single brightspot in the SWG experience I would hope it is that the people resoncible for managing this game since Developement to now simply go find jobs in some other industry.
Ah, sigh. comments from SOE like this, makes me not want to return to the game. After quitting a few months back, and having followed the developement in different forums, I do believe it has gotten better, and I miss it, but as so many others, the reason for not returning is, that I have moved on. Atm it is WOW. And when I am tired of that, most likely something entirely different. Sigh.
I think the only reason SOE would release a classic SWG server is to lure back old players, than after a month convert said classic servers back to current SWG now that they've baited you all into coming back
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I am so sick of hearing about this game.
Dude the game when it first came out was so mind boggling it trippled the excitment of what starwars can do for society and sci fi fans compared to the early 70's-80s Star Wars movies did in reality. The game was the BOMB I remember playing for hours and hours and it was never boring. Then for some reason the company decided to do a few hundred stupid things to the game I was there and what I say really did happen as I am about to put it.
Reasons why STAR WARS GALAXIES DIED AND WILL NEVER COME BACK.
#1 SOE staged a un-beta tested un-dev tested patch which was explained as simply a combat upgrade and it would "Inhance the game play for the customer". This was admitted later that SOE DID IN FACT NOT TEST THE PATCH AND YET THEY RELEASED IT SO DON"T FR&(#*&( LIE ABOUT IT I WAS THERE!!!!!
#2 After everyone was excited about this new patch that promised to "Upgrade our Combat" it came and there was not 1 freaking player on any server which was happy about it hours after the download. I WAS THERE!!!!!!!! DON"T LIE SOE.
#3 With in that day of CU patch being dumped on people there were protested for hours players loged in and set up macros to repeatadly chat in shout that "CU SUCKS TAKE IT BACK" This riot of shouting went on for days, and anyone who says it didn't is a lier it was so much of a landslide vote of hate towards CU patch that players logged onto other servers and made new charecters just to protest on those servers.
#4 the Petition was created and signed by over 300,000 signatures requesting that SOE drop the CU patch and restore the old game. SOE defended saying that the signatures have to require legit emails and phone numbers with real names and the petition restarted again this time within days pulling out over 500,000 signatures. IT was laster revealed that out of the 500k signatures only about 310,000 were submitted because there were copies of the same petition and too much hate and cursing.
#5 SOE challenged the customers by denying they had the petitions, then they REALEASED THIER CUSTOMER NUMBERS which they said 100,000 accounts at the time were open so they asked how could there possiably be over 100,000 signatures on a petition. ((( I seen where SOE just lied to MMORPG.com saying that Customer account numbers have never been publicly announced and never will.....RETARDS I WAS THERE))
#6 The petition was redone a 3rd time and in a riot all signed people were asked that if SOE didn't reply this time with a possitive promise, or a positive agreement to atleast speak about the CU patch then everyone would quit. I signed and SOE didn't come through and I quit.
#7 SOE later admits the CU was not tested, not professionaly looked over and it was rushed out.
#8 SOE begins this huge campaign on Television showing off the SWG commercials mainly on the SCI FI Channel. The commercials tried to make out like the game was so fun, and they lied, lied, lied about so many issues it's not even funny.
#9 Later Soe sends out emails BEGGING people who were veteran players and beta testers players to come back. YES YOU DID SOE , I STILL HAVE SEVERAL OF THE EMAILS SAVED HAHAHAHA I WAS THERE LIERS!!!!!! This was very funny and so I kept about 5 of my emails.
#10 later in an interview MMORPG.com does a interview and SWG LIESSSSSSSSSSSS and says that 100% of thier veteran players and those players who signed up for beta testing still played today. LIES I heard that and laughed and sighned up for a month with swg to look the servers were DEAD. The world was at an end and there was like 1 or 2 player cities per planet with 10 or so houses .........I left the next day canceled and laughed.
#11 Now SWG just did that interview with MMORPG.com which brings me to this entire reply. SOE tells you guys that they NEVER released any customer account numbers and never will...............OMG B.S.
I would like to see another privatly organized company out there invest with George Lucas and get rights to his Star Wars so they can make a game based on his ideas of what the star wars universe is like 100 years after eposide 6. In my opinon this shouldn't legaly conflict with any legal rites that SOE got in the first place, and 100 years later is so much better. More Jedi and Sith, and on some issues you could kind of wing it with new ships and situations.
I personaly was so aggrovated with SWG that I ended up hating the star wars movies with a passion, I didn't pay to see Star Wars eposide 3 in the movies because of it and I am glad I took a stand and so many others did with me. In reality SOE is lying each gaming department is privatly funded, so when the SWG team is out of cash they can't really beg SONY or SOE for money fronts. What happens is they end up downgrading the engine which they already did, they downgrade the servers and merge some and shut others down, then later they have to admit defeat and shut it down.
I give SWG possiably another 4 months before dying. With so many gamers on MMORPGS now it is totaly impossiable to not hear talk about how bad SWG is and was and how anyone who plays it should quit. If you don't believe me pick ANY MMORPG GAME OUT THERE AND SAY OUT " I LOVE SWG" and you will be blasted with spam and replies and even petitioned lol.
In all seriousiness the customers of SWG only wanted a public display of humility, and regreat and an appolgy for all the lies. I know for a fact that many of the swg devs, and Gms actively have thier accounts running just to make the numbers look higher then they actualy are. I would be really really suprised if over 200 people played the game, not 200 accounts.............200 people many people have 2-3 accounts...*cough SOE DEVS* cough**
because you didnt respect us you must pay and learn through your own actions and karma. The road was bright and full of sunshine and you took advantage of it and lead the pilgrams on this road into burning villages without water, thus no pitty will be spared upon you from me or my brothers.
* #1 SOE staged a un-beta tested un-dev tested patch which was explained as simply a combat upgrade and it would "Inhance the game play for the customer". This was admitted later that SOE DID IN FACT NOT TEST THE PATCH AND YET THEY RELEASED IT SO DON"T FR&(#*&( LIE ABOUT IT I WAS THERE!!!!!
Myself and hundreds of others were on the TC servers every day for weeks. However, the same bugs existed every day. We would post extensive reports on the forums, only to have them deleted 10 minutes later by the monitors. And when they announced they'd not only be releasing the CURB, but releasing it _early_ we ranted and complained until the moment the servers went down for them to install the "update".
Yes, it was tested, but it was horrible, and what they released to the public was still in "alpha" state, not even "beta". Sometimes you couldn't even log into the TC servers for hours at a time (14hrs was the longest stretch if memory serves).
Truth be told, the CURB should have never been released in the state that it was released. However, keep this in mind as well, GL and LA had to ok these changes, so they're partially to blame. It's not all SOE's fault. GL, LA, and SOE all have lost face in my opinion.
* #2 After everyone was excited about this new patch that promised to "Upgrade our Combat" it came and there was not 1 freaking player on any server which was happy about it hours after the download. I WAS THERE!!!!!!!! DON"T LIE SOE.
Agreed. I couldn't find one player that enjoyed the new CURB when it was pushed to live. I mean, the old system had bugs and imbalances, this is true, but the CURB just added to that. They didn't fix any of the old problems, and they just sprinkled new problems on top of everything. They should have fixed the imbalances (easiest fix would have been no more super-uber armor), fixed the bugs, and then concentrated on adding content to the game. Redesigning something that's broken with something else that's broken even worse, doesn't make any sense.
* #3 With in that day of CU patch being dumped on people there were protested for hours players loged in and set up macros to repeatadly chat in shout that "CU SUCKS TAKE IT BACK" This riot of shouting went on for days, and anyone who says it didn't is a lier it was so much of a landslide vote of hate towards CU patch that players logged onto other servers and made new charecters just to protest on those servers.
Yup, too true. It was so bad, that on some servers, there were so many players in one location protesting, that the devs started warping you to random locations, and in some cases even logging you out, to keep things from crashing.
* #4 the Petition was created and signed by over 300,000 signatures requesting that SOE drop the CU patch and restore the old game. SOE defended saying that the signatures have to require legit emails and phone numbers with real names and the petition restarted again this time within days pulling out over 500,000 signatures. IT was laster revealed that out of the 500k signatures only about 310,000 were submitted because there were copies of the same petition and too much hate and cursing.
Yup, I signed it, as did hundreds of other players I know. I understand that there were some duplicates, but still. 300k signatures is nothing to sneeze at. Considering the SWG population at the time of the CURB wasn't far above this number, it pretty much says everyone hated it, or at least 98% of us hated it.
As for everything else, the population numbers, the emails, the television spots... Anything and everything is a mixture of SOE as well as GL/LA and their inability to take heart what the consumers wanted. I mean, really, us veterans were there for a long time. Some of us since the very initial beta testing, back when they didn't have player cities, mounts, Jedi, nuttin. And we stayed for a long time, through-out all the publishes, bugs, and imbalances. But the day of the CURB, my entire guild cancelled their accounts. Some of the guys had 3, 4, even 5 accounts a piece. Myself, I had 2, both of which are now cancelled (one the day of the CURB, one about 6 months later). Shouldn't that have told them something was wrong? One would think that anybody could have figured out why people were quitting.
And now, what's happening? Nothing. I renewed my Jedi's account for 30 days, with one of those game-cards, last month, just to see if anything had changed for the better. It's even worse than ever now, with the NGE in place. Melee is all but impossible to play. Even other Jedi were running around with rifles. The way they've dumbed down the game is just disgusting. And Jedi is a starting profession now? Man, what a rip-off that is, and not to mention a slap in the face for those who worked their asses off back in the old day, before we even knew the method of unlocking Jedi.
All in all, SOE will never make another penny from me, pertaining to online gaming. And GL/LA should be glad they won't be releasing any more Star Wars movies, cuz I certainly wouldn't be spending my money going to see them. With all the customer feedback we used to supply in the forums during the CURB testing on TC, all the signatures on the online petition, and even the reviews and gripes from gaming magazines, you would think they would have gotten a clue, and given us back the game that we all enjoyed, and all paid for. None of us paid for the crap they serving now, I never would have if it had been like this back in the beginning. But all they did was ignore us, delete our posts, and say we were forging petition signatures to increase our numbers.
If behaviour like that doesn't deserve a boycott from the general public, I don't know what does.
RIP SWG, it was fun while it lasted.
PS: Almost forgot, I'm playing GuildWars and Eve-Online now, and life is good. When I feel like swinging a light saber for old time's sake, I just load up JK: Jedi Academy every now and then. It's a shame they didn't just base their combat updates off JK: JA, cuz if you want fast-paced combat, that'd be it.
Ok, SOE is giving us once again a full load of BS, nothing new there. But all you whiners, quit it and move on. GET OVER IT.
Personally I still enjoy SWG alot, 90% of credits go to my guildies and friends STILL in the game. The game is STILL what you make of it. I admit I was pretty pissed about NGE like everyone, but I saw it as a new beginning rather than the end.
Shorrack
ps. I know this looks like a flamer but I'm just sick and tired of whiners. Had my share already.
I'm glad you like the current game, really I do. However, that doesn't give you the right to label people who don't as whiners. Fact is, even if I liked it I still wouldn't play on general principle. You and everyone else who do so are enabling SoE and telling them and every other game company out there that it's okay to entirely replace a game long after release, take away professions and/or classes that some have played for years, and remove the items and accomplishments players have worked for over a couple of years. If they succeed, which is doubtful, get ready to walk about every game you play waiting for the axe to fall. Or, just not play.
Another game that I have played. But this is all stuff that a 10 year old with some logic could of figured out... if not younger... they did something that cause a whole lot of disagreements with there current population to get new players to try it without getting frustrated. Then what ended up happening is yes they probably got a whole lot of new players but obviously didn't balence it good enouph to keep the current fanbase.
So now there tring to recorrect therre overcorrect in the first place.
I have said it before this should be rated as a new game since all the changes. Of course the Graphics are all the same but other then that the logic, Playstyle, Character Advancement(Classes), and general gameplay all changed at least for me.
I mean in all Reallity it has been mentioned that there really could be 2 totally different ways to play this (Classic Server, And A New Server Sytle) but prolly would be effective for them if they have a Classic server I might give it another chance even.
Again good for SOE / Lucas for tring to work out something but, again anyone without blinders could of figured something needed to be done.
Originally posted by Celestian I dunno what all the bitching is about on SWG. I played about a year ago and the game was the worst on the planet. After the changes it's a blast. Pick a class and go, no more skill system forcing ya to do something you don't want to. Nor more mobs doing x4 the damage I can do with the best weapon and skill I can find. The game is FUN now. I don't get this obsession with tedious boring games being fun to some people but to each his own. I find the game much more enjoyable as does my son and friends. Had they not made these changes NONE of us would even bother to play the game again.
LMAO! You couldn't have picked a more worse moment to jump into SWG! SWG was one year ago in heavily bad shape because of the JTL expansion that corrupted half the groundgame! That was the moment when most of us left the game out of frustration and couldnt take any more nerf and the CU they had in mind!
When you started 2 years ago ...pre-JTL ... then you would have understand what they have done to this game now! How they completely ruined it!
/Agreed
I would like to expand a little. The worst thing they did was allow Jedi to be a playable race in any way shape or form. It is a disrupting element causing a huge imbalance vs. a normal player. A normal player could and should not be able to compete with a Jedi. It made everyone want to be one so they could beat up everyone and feel uber. In addition, to obtain Jedi, pre NGE, it was a grind fest which is not good for ANY game long term. Everyone just getting xp as fast as possible(Remember AFK entertainers, crafters, and combat macros). They never made the missions provide xp, like WOW does, and xp was only gained through performing the toons skill. Which made content a secondary item and the Dev's never focused on it. They spent all of their time trying to make everyone happy with their profession, especially Jedi, and the more they tried the worse it got.
Originally posted by eagle4x4 I played SWG from the day it started. The game was amazing for someone who wanted to feel immersed in an online world. The diversity available made it so each player could truly feel like they were unique in the game. Players needed crafters, entertainers, scouts and doctors to be successful (giving those who wanted to play support roles a rewarding playing experience too). That was then, this is now. Now, a 5 year old can start as a Jedi immediately and progress through the leveling system without EVER needing anything from any of the support classes. If you are looking for a complex, diverse gaming experience, look somewhere else. If you are after an online first person shooter with many planets to explore, then SWG is for you.
This mirrors exactly what I was thinking. When I saw the title saying Lucus Arts comments on this I was really hoping for a better response than the standard SOE crap. Guess there content on letting the game suffer and die like a dinosaur in a tar pit.
I was a hardcore SWG nut with 3 accounts. After basically taking all the hard work I had done to make each character utterly a carbon copy of everyone else in those professions I was absolutly flabergasted... Now they say they will bring back SOME speacializations... Well I will not EVER go back unless theres some sort of classic server that would let me bring my old character templates back. Unfortunatly I know they did not save any of that information... So i guess that means Ill NEVER be going back. R.I.P. SWG
No one at SOE has made an appearance concerning SWG for over 3 weeks now.
It was noticed by another posting member that there is a lack of SWG time cards for sale . Maybe this is an attempt to bait and switch current players to join the all access pass per month were SOE can skew the number of subscribers who have access to SWG oppose to the dead hard, no no better player base who for some reason , are still playing the NGE of SWG.
Although there is (or was) a separate Fan Faire for SWG , one would think that SOE would a least recognize or mention the recent highjacked version of SWG to make amends in their invite to all gamers to the SOE FanFaire in April ( unless SOE does not consider SWG a game anymore , of course thousands of players would agree).
If you go to FanFaire, Don't forget your rain ponchos aside from the Atlanta showers that occur frequently in April , they may have an internal use as well.
Love that Jestor , and for a second time, SOE doesn't Faire so well.
I'm guessing there was a lot more to this interview than we got to see, but I'm sure the answers were all the same: NO COMMENT!
I love how they completely ripped the game out from under us then after 3 months decide they should try to piece those things they stripped away back into the game. They severely limit the game by deleting over 2/3 of the professions and pigeon holing everyone into 9 crappy reproductions of known Star Wars classes. Then they decide that people don't just want to pay month after month to be a less than average look alike to Han Solo or Prices Leia. The very open possibilities that SWG offered for character creation pre NGE was something that is very hard to find in the MMO market and something that really set it appart.
In addition to the complete destruction of the online lives that many of their customers had created they also crushed any trust or respect that we had for their Dev team. They not only disregarded our oppinions, they also used deception and almost criminal actions to try and lock people into something that was already getting horrible reviews while in testing. I still feel that there should be something done for those that are unfortunately locked into the game due to their subscription time. Most people that I know that are still in SWG are only there because they purchased a 6 month or 1 year subscription and couldn't get a refund when SOE decided that the game these people paid for wasn't the game they actually wanted to play.
Hats off to the interviewer for putting Casey on the spot though. I'm sure there was no question as to whether Casey would actually answere those questions. No way are they going to give out any numbers of online activity. They know as well as we do that they would only be an embarrassment and they wouldn't even belie the fact that a large number of those still online are those waithing for their subscriptions to end.
The future I see for SWG is a slow degrading death. You can't expect anything good when you take a complex, emmersive, community interactive epic and dumb it down for console playability and alienate thousands of your loyal fans. It's a knife in my heart every time I see one of these corporate idiots singing the praises of SWG as is. Do the right thing! Shoot a dying horse, please! Lets just hope that any thoughts that LA might have for SWG 2 will atleast have some basis on customer input and will have nothing to do with SOE.
BTW did they ever remake the cancellation questionair to include true customer dissatisfaction with the NGE? I'm doubting it.
Who do you think you are Casey? Not disclosing your subscriber numbers. I think these guys are right. All the popular games; WoW and Eve do. How about this for a vision of your game 2 years from now? DEAD because all of the genre fans are playing Star Trek Online. Yes. I'm afraid there will be a sci fi alternative to SWG. And if LucasArts is smart they will pull SOE's license and give the game to someone else.
now you can find ralphie in EVE; sign me up on the list of people that will never play another game that soe or lucasarts is behind. i put in much of my free time into and payed for a game that went from shinola to shit because of them........my feeling is that the reasons behind the downfall have to do with the charter that soe was operating the game under; lucas wanted kids to be able to play and someone thought that they needed to go a simplified direction in order to corner a new market.
what they didnt realize is that kids need to do their homework and be playing outside instead of playing computer games all night after school; they missed the mark and drove off the most important players of all.......true fans.
dont think this hasnt happened before; ever hear of swccg? one of the greatest card games ever to hit the ccg market.......at some point lucas pulled the rug out from under decipher and gave it to hasbro instead, turned a good game into a joke for the same reasons........simpler game play. the posters who have defended swg here are either company plants or dont have a grasp on what diversity means to an adult mmo player.
soe if you are listening...............do us a favor and sever your ties with lucas; if the awful state of this game is due to your contract with la, you need to get out now. i will never play another title that bears your, or any subsidiary's name in my online gaming career. if you want to salvage what you can for the future of your mmo franchise.........drop swg and move along.
lucas.......fuck you for jarjar.......you had that one coming
I must say one, Im new to the boards here... second, I am more glad to see this happen then you can imagine.
SOE is gonna hang.
______________________________ I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process..... SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Well, where do I start on this... I guess I can say,... being a 2 year old Vet to SWG, this game has truly went down hill. The server number are down and so in the money.. no SOE will not say what the numbers are but ANY ONE who was in the game 2 years ago and up till now will tell you the same thing. This game is hurting! and there is no one else to blame but SOE/LA. They have truly taken this game to a all new low.
The best way I can put this is: It's like taking a monster truck and then turning it in to a mini van and then try and pass it off as the same truck it use to be. Well, MOST if not ALL the Vets of the game have left, leaving the servers bare. SOE/LA are not getting new players because word travels fast. When a company totaly takes the rug from under people feet and then does not bat one eye at it... that is just plain wrong and not a good way to keep or get new customers.
With every update... well I call them "FIXES" because they really are not updating anything because this game is so buggy the way it is,... but yet they try and say these FIXES are new things in the game but when you step back and think about it,... ALL this stuff sould of been done way before the NGE went live and passed off to the paying customers. How can a company do that? But then again,... SOE has never really cared about what it's game players have really thought... so let me strike that last question.
The game is dieing people, we can do nothing but watch it die. For you new people... when you are standing at the store and you are thinking about buying this game... let me just tell you... LOOK AT ANOTHER GAME! Trust me on this one,... you will thank me latter.
Been there done that: Asherons Call,SWG,AOC,D&D,COH,Anarchy Online,DAOC,EVE,Guild Wars,LOTRO,POTBS,WAR,WW2, and Rift
We can't do anything? The ppl of swg (the players Not the devs and dam u for thinking so) have allready done much , Most of the ppl have quit swg and others makes posts as you have done to warn others, and maybe in the long run trhowing some crap at SOE and LA will help. SOE can't just ignore so many players quitting and posting complains.
How sad.. This is what I got from the interview...
We wont post our numbers because thier too low..
We listened to all the feedback from the players who have left.. and I promise when we totally change the game for the 4th time, it wont be as broke as before.
Oh yeah, and even though weve listened to the feedback we wont give them what they want with a classic rollback.. We cant do it.. Although It seems other companies figured out how to do it.
Oh yeah, and who says no comment in an interview of such an onverwhelmingly popular game.. Makes me laugh.
While I was an hardcore fan of this game a few years prior to launch, as well as over 1.5 years after launch, I must say that I don't really believe in those Devs, in that team anymore -- even though the team as changed more than once.
I don't believe that this game will ever be what it had the potential to become and I have completely lost fate in this game.
I sincerely feel for all my SWG co-gamers that didn't leave the boat before it sunk
This sounds good. I liked the game before the NGE and now, its more interactive and funner but i did like the proffesion style before. It looks like they are gonna fix it up and add some of the good old ways.
I anticipated this game more than any other game I have ever purchased. I started playing right after it was released initially and I didn't survive the first month. Talk about a boring game, 30 minutes of running to complete some pathetic mission, not to mention the horrible economy system. Because of my love for the Star Wars universe I renewed my subscription and found a buggy, laggy game that was still boring.
It absolutely amazes me that it is even possible to mess up a game this bad. I hate to say it but SOE please walk away from this game. Just stop messing with it and shut it down. Let a competent company redesign and release a new Star Wars MMO. I would play a new incarnation from a different company in a heart beat. Nothing you can do at this point is anything more than putting this monstrosity on a metaphorical ventillator.
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The Devs simply don't see to be able to do any better a job with Interviews than their game.
Casey Keefe says SOE has never and will never give numbers for SWG. Is that to us or stock holders or is it pretty much everyone? If the numbers were not embarassing why not show them? Blizzard doesn't mind. But it is of course a lie of sorts. There have been a few times in the past, in the beginning when players didn't realise how poor the Quality and Development process at SOE / LA was when they were telling us when the population broke certain watermarks.
We do of course know the people at SOE are telling us the population has continued to climb. They said it is doing better than any of their other games. SWG or Matrix Online, hmmmm close call as to which I think will fold first.
The Quality at SOE in SWG has been terrible from day one. The desire to listen to players has been laughable, the desire to make changes that players want has simply not exsisted. If I were to hope for a single brightspot in the SWG experience I would hope it is that the people resoncible for managing this game since Developement to now simply go find jobs in some other industry.
Ah, sigh. comments from SOE like this, makes me not want to return to the game.
After quitting a few months back, and having followed the developement in different forums, I do believe it has gotten better, and I miss it, but as so many others, the reason for not returning is, that I have moved on. Atm it is WOW. And when I am tired of that, most likely something entirely different.
Sigh.
lol
I love those "Community and Press Relations Manager". They have the most useless job one can imagine...
SWG really became the most laughable mmorpg out there.
Oh... sorry...
SWG really became the most laughable fps out there...
NGE -> Not Good Enough
Wish I could have come out with something funnier
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OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I am so sick of hearing about this game.
Dude the game when it first came out was so mind boggling it trippled the excitment of what starwars can do for society and sci fi fans compared to the early 70's-80s Star Wars movies did in reality. The game was the BOMB I remember playing for hours and hours and it was never boring. Then for some reason the company decided to do a few hundred stupid things to the game I was there and what I say really did happen as I am about to put it.
Reasons why STAR WARS GALAXIES DIED AND WILL NEVER COME BACK.
#1 SOE staged a un-beta tested un-dev tested patch which was explained as simply a combat upgrade and it would "Inhance the game play for the customer". This was admitted later that SOE DID IN FACT NOT TEST THE PATCH AND YET THEY RELEASED IT SO DON"T FR&(#*&( LIE ABOUT IT I WAS THERE!!!!!
#2 After everyone was excited about this new patch that promised to "Upgrade our Combat" it came and there was not 1 freaking player on any server which was happy about it hours after the download. I WAS THERE!!!!!!!! DON"T LIE SOE.
#3 With in that day of CU patch being dumped on people there were protested for hours players loged in and set up macros to repeatadly chat in shout that "CU SUCKS TAKE IT BACK" This riot of shouting went on for days, and anyone who says it didn't is a lier it was so much of a landslide vote of hate towards CU patch that players logged onto other servers and made new charecters just to protest on those servers.
#4 the Petition was created and signed by over 300,000 signatures requesting that SOE drop the CU patch and restore the old game. SOE defended saying that the signatures have to require legit emails and phone numbers with real names and the petition restarted again this time within days pulling out over 500,000 signatures. IT was laster revealed that out of the 500k signatures only about 310,000 were submitted because there were copies of the same petition and too much hate and cursing.
#5 SOE challenged the customers by denying they had the petitions, then they REALEASED THIER CUSTOMER NUMBERS which they said 100,000 accounts at the time were open so they asked how could there possiably be over 100,000 signatures on a petition. ((( I seen where SOE just lied to MMORPG.com saying that Customer account numbers have never been publicly announced and never will.....RETARDS I WAS THERE))
#6 The petition was redone a 3rd time and in a riot all signed people were asked that if SOE didn't reply this time with a possitive promise, or a positive agreement to atleast speak about the CU patch then everyone would quit. I signed and SOE didn't come through and I quit.
#7 SOE later admits the CU was not tested, not professionaly looked over and it was rushed out.
#8 SOE begins this huge campaign on Television showing off the SWG commercials mainly on the SCI FI Channel. The commercials tried to make out like the game was so fun, and they lied, lied, lied about so many issues it's not even funny.
#9 Later Soe sends out emails BEGGING people who were veteran players and beta testers players to come back. YES YOU DID SOE , I STILL HAVE SEVERAL OF THE EMAILS SAVED HAHAHAHA I WAS THERE LIERS!!!!!! This was very funny and so I kept about 5 of my emails.
#10 later in an interview MMORPG.com does a interview and SWG LIESSSSSSSSSSSS and says that 100% of thier veteran players and those players who signed up for beta testing still played today. LIES I heard that and laughed and sighned up for a month with swg to look the servers were DEAD. The world was at an end and there was like 1 or 2 player cities per planet with 10 or so houses .........I left the next day canceled and laughed.
#11 Now SWG just did that interview with MMORPG.com which brings me to this entire reply. SOE tells you guys that they NEVER released any customer account numbers and never will...............OMG B.S.
I would like to see another privatly organized company out there invest with George Lucas and get rights to his Star Wars so they can make a game based on his ideas of what the star wars universe is like 100 years after eposide 6. In my opinon this shouldn't legaly conflict with any legal rites that SOE got in the first place, and 100 years later is so much better. More Jedi and Sith, and on some issues you could kind of wing it with new ships and situations.
I personaly was so aggrovated with SWG that I ended up hating the star wars movies with a passion, I didn't pay to see Star Wars eposide 3 in the movies because of it and I am glad I took a stand and so many others did with me. In reality SOE is lying each gaming department is privatly funded, so when the SWG team is out of cash they can't really beg SONY or SOE for money fronts. What happens is they end up downgrading the engine which they already did, they downgrade the servers and merge some and shut others down, then later they have to admit defeat and shut it down.
I give SWG possiably another 4 months before dying. With so many gamers on MMORPGS now it is totaly impossiable to not hear talk about how bad SWG is and was and how anyone who plays it should quit. If you don't believe me pick ANY MMORPG GAME OUT THERE AND SAY OUT " I LOVE SWG" and you will be blasted with spam and replies and even petitioned lol.
In all seriousiness the customers of SWG only wanted a public display of humility, and regreat and an appolgy for all the lies. I know for a fact that many of the swg devs, and Gms actively have thier accounts running just to make the numbers look higher then they actualy are. I would be really really suprised if over 200 people played the game, not 200 accounts.............200 people many people have 2-3 accounts...*cough SOE DEVS* cough**
because you didnt respect us you must pay and learn through your own actions and karma. The road was bright and full of sunshine and you took advantage of it and lead the pilgrams on this road into burning villages without water, thus no pitty will be spared upon you from me or my brothers.
the samuria ....
Actually:
* #1 SOE staged a un-beta tested un-dev tested patch which was explained as simply a combat upgrade and it would "Inhance the game play for the customer". This was admitted later that SOE DID IN FACT NOT TEST THE PATCH AND YET THEY RELEASED IT SO DON"T FR&(#*&( LIE ABOUT IT I WAS THERE!!!!!
Myself and hundreds of others were on the TC servers every day for weeks. However, the same bugs existed every day. We would post extensive reports on the forums, only to have them deleted 10 minutes later by the monitors. And when they announced they'd not only be releasing the CURB, but releasing it _early_ we ranted and complained until the moment the servers went down for them to install the "update".
Yes, it was tested, but it was horrible, and what they released to the public was still in "alpha" state, not even "beta". Sometimes you couldn't even log into the TC servers for hours at a time (14hrs was the longest stretch if memory serves).
Truth be told, the CURB should have never been released in the state that it was released. However, keep this in mind as well, GL and LA had to ok these changes, so they're partially to blame. It's not all SOE's fault. GL, LA, and SOE all have lost face in my opinion.
* #2 After everyone was excited about this new patch that promised to "Upgrade our Combat" it came and there was not 1 freaking player on any server which was happy about it hours after the download. I WAS THERE!!!!!!!! DON"T LIE SOE.
Agreed. I couldn't find one player that enjoyed the new CURB when it was pushed to live. I mean, the old system had bugs and imbalances, this is true, but the CURB just added to that. They didn't fix any of the old problems, and they just sprinkled new problems on top of everything. They should have fixed the imbalances (easiest fix would have been no more super-uber armor), fixed the bugs, and then concentrated on adding content to the game. Redesigning something that's broken with something else that's broken even worse, doesn't make any sense.
* #3 With in that day of CU patch being dumped on people there were protested for hours players loged in and set up macros to repeatadly chat in shout that "CU SUCKS TAKE IT BACK" This riot of shouting went on for days, and anyone who says it didn't is a lier it was so much of a landslide vote of hate towards CU patch that players logged onto other servers and made new charecters just to protest on those servers.
Yup, too true. It was so bad, that on some servers, there were so many players in one location protesting, that the devs started warping you to random locations, and in some cases even logging you out, to keep things from crashing.
* #4 the Petition was created and signed by over 300,000 signatures requesting that SOE drop the CU patch and restore the old game. SOE defended saying that the signatures have to require legit emails and phone numbers with real names and the petition restarted again this time within days pulling out over 500,000 signatures. IT was laster revealed that out of the 500k signatures only about 310,000 were submitted because there were copies of the same petition and too much hate and cursing.
Yup, I signed it, as did hundreds of other players I know. I understand that there were some duplicates, but still. 300k signatures is nothing to sneeze at. Considering the SWG population at the time of the CURB wasn't far above this number, it pretty much says everyone hated it, or at least 98% of us hated it.
As for everything else, the population numbers, the emails, the television spots... Anything and everything is a mixture of SOE as well as GL/LA and their inability to take heart what the consumers wanted. I mean, really, us veterans were there for a long time. Some of us since the very initial beta testing, back when they didn't have player cities, mounts, Jedi, nuttin. And we stayed for a long time, through-out all the publishes, bugs, and imbalances. But the day of the CURB, my entire guild cancelled their accounts. Some of the guys had 3, 4, even 5 accounts a piece. Myself, I had 2, both of which are now cancelled (one the day of the CURB, one about 6 months later). Shouldn't that have told them something was wrong? One would think that anybody could have figured out why people were quitting.
And now, what's happening? Nothing. I renewed my Jedi's account for 30 days, with one of those game-cards, last month, just to see if anything had changed for the better. It's even worse than ever now, with the NGE in place. Melee is all but impossible to play. Even other Jedi were running around with rifles. The way they've dumbed down the game is just disgusting. And Jedi is a starting profession now? Man, what a rip-off that is, and not to mention a slap in the face for those who worked their asses off back in the old day, before we even knew the method of unlocking Jedi.
All in all, SOE will never make another penny from me, pertaining to online gaming. And GL/LA should be glad they won't be releasing any more Star Wars movies, cuz I certainly wouldn't be spending my money going to see them. With all the customer feedback we used to supply in the forums during the CURB testing on TC, all the signatures on the online petition, and even the reviews and gripes from gaming magazines, you would think they would have gotten a clue, and given us back the game that we all enjoyed, and all paid for. None of us paid for the crap they serving now, I never would have if it had been like this back in the beginning. But all they did was ignore us, delete our posts, and say we were forging petition signatures to increase our numbers.
If behaviour like that doesn't deserve a boycott from the general public, I don't know what does.
RIP SWG, it was fun while it lasted.
PS: Almost forgot, I'm playing GuildWars and Eve-Online now, and life is good. When I feel like swinging a light saber for old time's sake, I just load up JK: Jedi Academy every now and then. It's a shame they didn't just base their combat updates off JK: JA, cuz if you want fast-paced combat, that'd be it.
Peace-out!
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Danag
Ok, SOE is giving us once again a full load of BS, nothing new there.
But all you whiners, quit it and move on. GET OVER IT.
Personally I still enjoy SWG alot, 90% of credits go to my guildies and friends STILL in the game.
The game is STILL what you make of it.
I admit I was pretty pissed about NGE like everyone, but I saw it as a new beginning rather than the end.
Shorrack
ps. I know this looks like a flamer but I'm just sick and tired of whiners. Had my share already.
Another game that I have played. But this is all stuff that a 10 year old with some logic could of figured out... if not younger... they did something that cause a whole lot of disagreements with there current population to get new players to try it without getting frustrated. Then what ended up happening is yes they probably got a whole lot of new players but obviously didn't balence it good enouph to keep the current fanbase.
So now there tring to recorrect therre overcorrect in the first place.
I have said it before this should be rated as a new game since all the changes. Of course the Graphics are all the same but other then that the logic, Playstyle, Character Advancement(Classes), and general gameplay all changed at least for me.
I mean in all Reallity it has been mentioned that there really could be 2 totally different ways to play this (Classic Server, And A New Server Sytle) but prolly would be effective for them if they have a Classic server I might give it another chance even.
Again good for SOE / Lucas for tring to work out something but, again anyone without blinders could of figured something needed to be done.
--Baclimon--
www.starfleetguild.com
LMAO! You couldn't have picked a more worse moment to jump into SWG! SWG was one year ago in heavily bad shape because of the JTL expansion that corrupted half the groundgame! That was the moment when most of us left the game out of frustration and couldnt take any more nerf and the CU they had in mind!
When you started 2 years ago ...pre-JTL ... then you would have understand what they have done to this game now! How they completely ruined it!
/Agreed
I would like to expand a little. The worst thing they did was allow Jedi to be a playable race in any way shape or form. It is a disrupting element causing a huge imbalance vs. a normal player. A normal player could and should not be able to compete with a Jedi. It made everyone want to be one so they could beat up everyone and feel uber. In addition, to obtain Jedi, pre NGE, it was a grind fest which is not good for ANY game long term. Everyone just getting xp as fast as possible(Remember AFK entertainers, crafters, and combat macros). They never made the missions provide xp, like WOW does, and xp was only gained through performing the toons skill. Which made content a secondary item and the Dev's never focused on it. They spent all of their time trying to make everyone happy with their profession, especially Jedi, and the more they tried the worse it got.
My .02 cents.
This mirrors exactly what I was thinking. When I saw the title saying Lucus Arts comments on this I was really hoping for a better response than the standard SOE crap. Guess there content on letting the game suffer and die like a dinosaur in a tar pit.
I was a hardcore SWG nut with 3 accounts. After basically taking all the hard work I had done to make each character utterly a carbon copy of everyone else in those professions I was absolutly flabergasted... Now they say they will bring back SOME speacializations... Well I will not EVER go back unless theres some sort of classic server that would let me bring my old character templates back. Unfortunatly I know they did not save any of that information... So i guess that means Ill NEVER be going back. R.I.P. SWG
Amazing , No News is SOE News about SWG .
No one at SOE has made an appearance concerning SWG for over 3 weeks now.
It was noticed by another posting member that there is a lack of SWG time cards for sale . Maybe this is an attempt to bait and switch current players to join the all access pass per month were SOE can skew the number of subscribers who have access to SWG oppose to the dead hard, no no better player base who for some reason , are still playing the NGE of SWG.
Although there is (or was) a separate Fan Faire for SWG , one would think that SOE would a least recognize or mention the recent highjacked version of SWG to make amends in their invite to all gamers to the SOE FanFaire in April ( unless SOE does not consider SWG a game anymore , of course thousands of players would agree).
If you go to FanFaire, Don't forget your rain ponchos aside from the Atlanta showers that occur frequently in April , they may have an internal use as well.
Love that Jestor , and for a second time, SOE doesn't Faire so well.
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I'm guessing there was a lot more to this interview than we got to see, but I'm sure the answers were all the same: NO COMMENT!
I love how they completely ripped the game out from under us then after 3 months decide they should try to piece those things they stripped away back into the game. They severely limit the game by deleting over 2/3 of the professions and pigeon holing everyone into 9 crappy reproductions of known Star Wars classes. Then they decide that people don't just want to pay month after month to be a less than average look alike to Han Solo or Prices Leia. The very open possibilities that SWG offered for character creation pre NGE was something that is very hard to find in the MMO market and something that really set it appart.
In addition to the complete destruction of the online lives that many of their customers had created they also crushed any trust or respect that we had for their Dev team. They not only disregarded our oppinions, they also used deception and almost criminal actions to try and lock people into something that was already getting horrible reviews while in testing. I still feel that there should be something done for those that are unfortunately locked into the game due to their subscription time. Most people that I know that are still in SWG are only there because they purchased a 6 month or 1 year subscription and couldn't get a refund when SOE decided that the game these people paid for wasn't the game they actually wanted to play.
Hats off to the interviewer for putting Casey on the spot though. I'm sure there was no question as to whether Casey would actually answere those questions. No way are they going to give out any numbers of online activity. They know as well as we do that they would only be an embarrassment and they wouldn't even belie the fact that a large number of those still online are those waithing for their subscriptions to end.
The future I see for SWG is a slow degrading death. You can't expect anything good when you take a complex, emmersive, community interactive epic and dumb it down for console playability and alienate thousands of your loyal fans. It's a knife in my heart every time I see one of these corporate idiots singing the praises of SWG as is. Do the right thing! Shoot a dying horse, please! Lets just hope that any thoughts that LA might have for SWG 2 will atleast have some basis on customer input and will have nothing to do with SOE.
BTW did they ever remake the cancellation questionair to include true customer dissatisfaction with the NGE? I'm doubting it.
Who do you think you are Casey? Not disclosing your subscriber numbers. I think these guys are right. All the popular games; WoW and Eve do. How about this for a vision of your game 2 years from now? DEAD because all of the genre fans are playing Star Trek Online. Yes. I'm afraid there will be a sci fi alternative to SWG. And if LucasArts is smart they will pull SOE's license and give the game to someone else.
i used to play ralphie crom on corbantis,
now you can find ralphie in EVE; sign me up on the list of people that will never play another game that soe or lucasarts is behind. i put in much of my free time into and payed for a game that went from shinola to shit because of them........my feeling is that the reasons behind the downfall have to do with the charter that soe was operating the game under; lucas wanted kids to be able to play and someone thought that they needed to go a simplified direction in order to corner a new market.
what they didnt realize is that kids need to do their homework and be playing outside instead of playing computer games all night after school; they missed the mark and drove off the most important players of all.......true fans.
dont think this hasnt happened before; ever hear of swccg? one of the greatest card games ever to hit the ccg market.......at some point lucas pulled the rug out from under decipher and gave it to hasbro instead, turned a good game into a joke for the same reasons........simpler game play. the posters who have defended swg here are either company plants or dont have a grasp on what diversity means to an adult mmo player.
soe if you are listening...............do us a favor and sever your ties with lucas; if the awful state of this game is due to your contract with la, you need to get out now. i will never play another title that bears your, or any subsidiary's name in my online gaming career. if you want to salvage what you can for the future of your mmo franchise.........drop swg and move along.
lucas.......fuck you for jarjar.......you had that one coming
I must say one, Im new to the boards here... second, I am more glad to see this happen then you can imagine.
SOE is gonna hang.
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
New poster here...
Long time hater of SOE!!
SWG in its current state SUX one big ole hairy one...
Well, where do I start on this... I guess I can say,... being a 2 year old Vet to SWG, this game has truly went down hill. The server number are down and so in the money.. no SOE will not say what the numbers are but ANY ONE who was in the game 2 years ago and up till now will tell you the same thing. This game is hurting! and there is no one else to blame but SOE/LA. They have truly taken this game to a all new low.
The best way I can put this is: It's like taking a monster truck and then turning it in to a mini van and then try and pass it off as the same truck it use to be. Well, MOST if not ALL the Vets of the game have left, leaving the servers bare. SOE/LA are not getting new players because word travels fast. When a company totaly takes the rug from under people feet and then does not bat one eye at it... that is just plain wrong and not a good way to keep or get new customers.
With every update... well I call them "FIXES" because they really are not updating anything because this game is so buggy the way it is,... but yet they try and say these FIXES are new things in the game but when you step back and think about it,... ALL this stuff sould of been done way before the NGE went live and passed off to the paying customers. How can a company do that? But then again,... SOE has never really cared about what it's game players have really thought... so let me strike that last question.
The game is dieing people, we can do nothing but watch it die. For you new people... when you are standing at the store and you are thinking about buying this game... let me just tell you... LOOK AT ANOTHER GAME! Trust me on this one,... you will thank me latter.
Been there done that:
Asherons Call,SWG,AOC,D&D,COH,Anarchy Online,DAOC,EVE,Guild Wars,LOTRO,POTBS,WAR,WW2, and Rift
We can't do anything? The ppl of swg (the players Not the devs and dam u for thinking so) have allready done much , Most of the ppl have quit swg and others makes posts as you have done to warn others, and maybe in the long run trhowing some crap at SOE and LA will help. SOE can't just ignore so many players quitting and posting complains.
Or can they??!!
How sad.. This is what I got from the interview...
We wont post our numbers because thier too low..
We listened to all the feedback from the players who have left.. and I promise when we totally change the game for the 4th time, it wont be as broke as before.
Oh yeah, and even though weve listened to the feedback we wont give them what they want with a classic rollback.. We cant do it.. Although It seems other companies figured out how to do it.
Oh yeah, and who says no comment in an interview of such an onverwhelmingly popular game.. Makes me laugh.
SWG RIP 4/26/05
While I was an hardcore fan of this game a few years prior to launch, as well as over 1.5 years after launch, I must say that I don't really believe in those Devs, in that team anymore -- even though the team as changed more than once.
I don't believe that this game will ever be what it had the potential to become and I have completely lost fate in this game.
I sincerely feel for all my SWG co-gamers that didn't leave the boat before it sunk
This sounds good. I liked the game before the NGE and now, its more interactive and funner but i did like the proffesion style before. It looks like they are gonna fix it up and add some of the good old ways.
It absolutely amazes me that it is even possible to mess up a game this bad. I hate to say it but SOE please walk away from this game. Just stop messing with it and shut it down. Let a competent company redesign and release a new Star Wars MMO. I would play a new incarnation from a different company in a heart beat. Nothing you can do at this point is anything more than putting this monstrosity on a metaphorical ventillator.
SOE, please stay away from Star Wars.