Do some playtesting, post bug reports to the Issue Council and you get PTU access TOTALLY free of charge. Submit GOOD DETAILED bug reports and get invited to the "Evocati" tester group, that sees the new builds even before the PTU testers.
Or simply wait a few days until the most recent build is transferred from PTU to live server.
Access to live server does NOT cost 12 $ a month.
Have fun
You spoiled my fun man..
I was about to ask the rocket scientists above to give us the links where they're asked to pay 12 $.
Some missed the point of being a supporter. Do this or that THEN you can be a tester?What happened to having a say or being a part of the growing process,was that more lies?
If i give someone FREE money,you can be darn sure i not only want to see everything going on,i want to test it when i feel like and i want to see where the actual money is going. Sure seems to me that this new KS idea has pulled the wool over very naive eyes and now takes it even further by abusing those who made it all happen.
You know what else i want if i am funding your game,i want to talk about it when ever i want as well.Funny how Derek had his money refunded yet they claim nobody is allowed a refund,yet again more lies and deception. There is no way in hell i could give this shyster a single dollar and feel good about it,i feel he is as crooked and deceptive as they come.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Some missed the point of being a supporter. Do this or that THEN you can be a tester?
--> The LIVE SERVER is the test server for stable builds. ANYONE can test there to his/her hearts content. ANYONE of the backers has access to this server. NO fee/month needed.
--> The PTU server is a much smaller test server for semi-stable builds. Its a server for serious bug hunting. There are two levels of the PTU ... one for (ten-)thousands (mostly aimed for testing under load) and another for a small group (called "Evocati") of play testers that have shown that they are dedicated testers that submit detailed and useful bug reports. The version that the "Evocati" are testing is very early and unstable.
What happened to having a say or being a part of the growing process,was that more lies?
--> Feel free to give your feedback in the Feedback threads of the official forums to your hearts content.
--> Feel free to submit as many bug reports to the Issue Council as you want.
If i give someone FREE money,you can be darn sure i not only want to see everything going on,i want to test it when i feel like and i want to see where the actual money is going.
--> Test in the live server.
--> Read the very detailed monthly studio reports.
--> Read thousands of dev answers to backer questions on the official forum.
--> Watch up to hundreds of hours of video blogs.
--> Read in depth articles on game mechanics on the website.
--> Watch (ten)thousands of fan made Star Citizen videos on Youtube
Sure seems to me that this new KS idea has pulled the wool over very naive eyes and now takes it even further by abusing those who made it all happen.
--> Or some people LIKE to actively participate in the testing process. And others keep carping from the sidelines without lifting a finger.
You know what else i want if i am funding your game,i want to talk about it when ever i want as well.
--> Official forums
--> thousands of dedicated fansites
--> dozens (hundreds ?) of forums of game related websites
--> here
Funny how Derek had his money refunded yet they claim nobody is allowed a refund,
--> You omit the fact that there are many months between these two events. CIG voluntarily refunded people for THREE YEARS !! Instead of the 14 days they usually should.
yet again more lies and deception.
--> Yet again more anti-SC propaganda.
There is no way in hell i could give this shyster a single dollar and feel good about it,i feel he is as crooked and deceptive as they come.
Some missed the point of being a supporter. Do this or that THEN you can be a tester?What happened to having a say or being a part of the growing process,was that more lies?
If i give someone FREE money,you can be darn sure i not only want to see everything going on,i want to test it when i feel like and i want to see where the actual money is going. Sure seems to me that this new KS idea has pulled the wool over very naive eyes and now takes it even further by abusing those who made it all happen.
You know what else i want if i am funding your game,i want to talk about it when ever i want as well.Funny how Derek had his money refunded yet they claim nobody is allowed a refund,yet again more lies and deception. There is no way in hell i could give this shyster a single dollar and feel good about it,i feel he is as crooked and deceptive as they come.
Friendly advice: before going on a rant on public forums do yourself a favor and check if what you're about to write applies to the company / developer / person in question.
Everything you "want" already happens with SC / CIG and some more.
A 10 minute survey would have shown you that.
Furthermore, CIG was giving refunds for almost 3 years. DS's refund was forced on him. For reasons already explained.
more like 2 years and the reason he stopped refunds is because he has NOT delivered on promises and is wasting a lot of money AND started pretty much right after Derek made others aware of this shotty operation,so timing is SPOT ON. Also yes i was talking about the so called "special team of testers"or special access whereby you call dedicated testers.
BTW i am not keeping a log book,i only remember what i see over the past few years.I don't need to jot down or compile a LIST of all the BS and lies this guy makes,i have better things to do in my life.I only need to take notice and remember that this guy is as crooked as they come.
I feel a LOT of scapegoating has gone on from turning the blame to Derek and not Chris.As well turning all the negativity into some sort of SC propaganda?BTW i made light of the fact Chris PAID Joe and The Brit to promote his game,where JOE claimed was AMAZING and he was totally on board best game ever,yet says nothing about the game for 2 years after that paid video.If you really like a game and post videos EVERY day for a living,yet ignore so called amazing game for 2+ years after the fact,it looks VERY shotty.
Here is a little excerpt from CHRIS.. "Unlike with a publisher, you can't pull the wool over their eyes because it's the real people who are going to be playing it" If that doesn't sound like total BS,then tell me what is? 1 some are REAL people some are not ?lmao.Also making an assumption that publishers never play games or are real gamer's?What is this guy a complete idiot? 2 So he is used to "pulling the wool over publisher's eyes'?
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Do some playtesting, post bug reports to the Issue Council and you get PTU access TOTALLY free of charge. Submit GOOD DETAILED bug reports and get invited to the "Evocati" tester group, that sees the new builds even before the PTU testers.
Or simply wait a few days until the most recent build is transferred from PTU to live server.
Access to live server does NOT cost 12 $ a month.
Have fun
So testing und bug reporting on a 3 months old version will get you a guranteed invite to the internal test group?
Can you give some lofficial statements on that or is it a wild guess?
When you have cake, it is not the cake that creates the most magnificent of experiences, but it is the emotions attached to it. The cake is a lie.
i don't understand what you all say but twich streamer said he pay $12 to get ptu 2,4. is not public if you have to pay monthly fee. This streamer was very unhappy about it.
i will not buy game and ship for $60 and then also pay $12 month just to play newest beta. It should be free. Also i don't know if i can use ship because in official video they say no but person here says yes.
i wait and watch streamers, but only 3 or 4 on twitch, is really sad for 114 million game only few people stream
So testing und bug reporting on a 3 months old version will get you a guranteed invite to the internal test group?
--> Nothing is guaranteed. But chances are high.
--> You could wait a few more days and do testing and bug reporting on the newest version (2.4) yourself. IF you are a backer (as we already found out many that post here about this are not even backers and never planned to be backers anyway....). All backers have access to the test server for stable builds (=LIVE SERVER).
Can you give some lofficial statements on that or is it a wild guess?
--> Neither. Its personal experience from testing and submitting bug reports.
--> Furthermore that is how all the "Evocati" got their invitations too. Which IS official.
i don't understand what you all say but twich streamer said he pay $12 to get ptu 2,4.
--> Then he did not understand how to get into the PTU testing group WITHOUT paying anything.
--> The "public" server for ALL backers with a stable Alpha build is the LIVE SERVER. The "public" server for the semi-stable build is the PTU server. There are two PTU servers - one for a (ten)thousands of player testers for load testing (which - since last week - includes subscribers, which is most likely what the twitch streamer was referring to). The other PTU server is for a smaller, dedicated group of "Evocati" (player testers with a history of having submitted many, well written and detailed bug reports).
is not public if you have to pay monthly fee.
--> Then do not pay a monthly fee (its voluntary). Test on the LIVE server. Submit Bug reports to the Issue Council. Get recognized as a reliable tester. Get an invitation to the PTU testing or even an invitation to the "Evocati".
This streamer was very unhappy about it.
--> The streamer was fearing that his click count would drop because he did not have PTU access like many other streamers (that DID participate in playtesting). As i said, only approx. a week ago the PTU access was opened for subscribers too.
i will not buy game and ship for $60 and then also pay $12 month just to play newest beta.
--> Then do not. Wait until the finished game launches. Check out if you like it. Then buy... or do not buy.
--> Meanwhile you can potentially watch thousands of fan made videos FOR FREE. And watch streamers for hundreds of hours. FOR FREE.
It should be free.
--> It is.
Also i don't know if i can use ship because in official video they say no but person here says yes.
--> You mean the person that got banned in the meantime ?
--> You mean the person that incorrectly cited what was said in that video ? Which you can easily check out if you watch that video yourself. Ben is talking to Batgirl about the loaner matrix not being activated in the PTU server (as there is no need for it there ---> everyone can get many different ships from a "ship dispenser" for testing purposes). The loaner matrix IS active in the LIVE server.
i wait and watch streamers, but only 3 or 4 on twitch, is really sad for 114 million game only few people stream
--> Then you should watch other streamers with a greater following ;-) And you should watch it when a NEW version comes out .... when there are always larger audiences.
i wait and watch streamers, but only 3 or 4 on twitch, is really sad for 114 million game only few people stream
--> Then you should watch other streamers with a greater following ;-) And you should watch it when a NEW version comes out .... when there are always larger audiences.
---> Have fun
No u understand wrong. There are no streamers only maybe 5. Other games have 50 or 100 streamers. where are all of million fan who pay for 100million? I watch and nobody ever there. Youtube is much better i watch 50 funny video about game today, very good.
And yet they will be released. Geesh its like you kids are stamping your feet and holding your breath just because mommy is making you wait until after dinner for dessert. Seriously, get over yourselves.
People are still hyped about this turd? Its obvious to everyone that isn't a rabid fanboi that this is a grab and cash scheme; sure there will be a game to circumvent lawsuits but it will be a shell of a game since then they can just say everyone's expectations were too complex.
Are there any other games planning to do the same thing Star Citizen was, FPS, ship combat boarding etc that might be out soon? It's pretty odd they are so focused on shopping at the minute, all the youtube videos at the moment seem to have people wandering around a shop trying clothes on, also not seen any female avatars which is odd.
Are there any other games planning to do the same thing Star Citizen was, FPS, ship combat boarding etc that might be out soon? It's pretty odd they are so focused on shopping at the minute, all the youtube videos at the moment seem to have people wandering around a shop trying clothes on, also not seen any female avatars which is odd.
I don't think that there is anything even remotely as ambitious as Star Citizen. There are several other space explorer games about, but none with the grand scale/scope that SC has... nor the funding.
That's part of the reason why SC has attracted such a huge fan base willing to throw so much money at it. It is offering the full package, while it's competitors are offering just a few of the parts.
Are there any other games planning to do the same thing Star Citizen was, FPS, ship combat boarding etc that might be out soon? It's pretty odd they are so focused on shopping at the minute, all the youtube videos at the moment seem to have people wandering around a shop trying clothes on, also not seen any female avatars which is odd.
Elite:Dangerous should have - in the long run - also avatars that move around. Might take a few more years. And the Peer-to-peer model of E:D is not very suited for that (so they might have to change it - and they will only do that if enough money comes in to pay for the changes).
Avatars in the cockpit (kinda similar to the captains quarter in EVE Online) in E:D are a go. But with much less options than in SC. Vehicles on barren planets in E:D is a go - is fun to drive around and explore and fight dirtside.
W.r.t. Youtube videos: I recommend you take a look at the many videos focussing not on shopping but on the Starfarer. It is used as a place for running FPS gunbattles. Or assault gunboat to deliver "marines" to security outposts. Or "party club" for choreographed dancing ;-) Furthermore there is the first "slave trading" video as well as the "Big Benny" competition videos. Everything to be found via Google.
Female avatars are being worked on. Currently they are not in the Alpha yet.
I know with Elite they said character customisation and multicrew are coming sometime this year but I don't think it will include walking around your ship or boarding other ships by foot etc, that's probably a couple of years away at best, nor is it ever aiming to be some crappy COD in space thing.
Right now we can fly around and drive around rocky planets, ice planets, moons etc. Atmospheric planets might possibly be in next year's content but then you need reasons for people to go there and if you're talking about life-supporting planets then a huge amount of work becomes involved.
Are there any other games planning to do the same thing Star Citizen was, FPS, ship combat boarding etc that might be out soon? It's pretty odd they are so focused on shopping at the minute, all the youtube videos at the moment seem to have people wandering around a shop trying clothes on, also not seen any female avatars which is odd.
Character customization is one of the next things in the pipeline so they need things that you can customize with. Also with the first steps of persistence they need something to test the economy (buying/selling) with. So two birds one stone basically.
Yeah many space sim games will come and go before this game is ever finished. I kinda feel like it's just one big scam. It's like people paid for a lobster dinner and where feed bread stick appetizers for the entire meal instead. Everyone is told food is coming, in the meantime they are just filling people up on breadsticks in hopes they will just leave full.
Yeah many space sim games will come and go before this game is ever finished. I kinda feel like it's just one big scam. It's like people paid for a lobster dinner and where feed bread stick appetizers for the entire meal instead. Everyone is told food is coming, in the meantime they are just filling people up on breadsticks in hopes they will just leave full.
I think you might want to give that edit another go.
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I was about to ask the rocket scientists above to give us the links where they're asked to pay 12 $.
Do this or that THEN you can be a tester?What happened to having a say or being a part of the growing process,was that more lies?
If i give someone FREE money,you can be darn sure i not only want to see everything going on,i want to test it when i feel like and i want to see where the actual money is going.
Sure seems to me that this new KS idea has pulled the wool over very naive eyes and now takes it even further by abusing those who made it all happen.
You know what else i want if i am funding your game,i want to talk about it when ever i want as well.Funny how Derek had his money refunded yet they claim nobody is allowed a refund,yet again more lies and deception.
There is no way in hell i could give this shyster a single dollar and feel good about it,i feel he is as crooked and deceptive as they come.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Everything you "want" already happens with SC / CIG and some more.
A 10 minute survey would have shown you that.
Furthermore, CIG was giving refunds for almost 3 years. DS's refund was forced on him. For reasons already explained.
Also yes i was talking about the so called "special team of testers"or special access whereby you call dedicated testers.
BTW i am not keeping a log book,i only remember what i see over the past few years.I don't need to jot down or compile a LIST of all the BS and lies this guy makes,i have better things to do in my life.I only need to take notice and remember that this guy is as crooked as they come.
I feel a LOT of scapegoating has gone on from turning the blame to Derek and not Chris.As well turning all the negativity into some sort of SC propaganda?BTW i made light of the fact Chris PAID Joe and The Brit to promote his game,where JOE claimed was AMAZING and he was totally on board best game ever,yet says nothing about the game for 2 years after that paid video.If you really like a game and post videos EVERY day for a living,yet ignore so called amazing game for 2+ years after the fact,it looks VERY shotty.
Here is a little excerpt from CHRIS..
"Unlike with a publisher, you can't pull the wool over their eyes because it's the real people who are going to be playing it"
If that doesn't sound like total BS,then tell me what is?
1 some are REAL people some are not ?lmao.Also making an assumption that publishers never play games or are real gamer's?What is this guy a complete idiot?
2 So he is used to "pulling the wool over publisher's eyes'?
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Can you give some lofficial statements on that or is it a wild guess?
When you have cake, it is not the cake that creates the most magnificent of experiences, but it is the emotions attached to it.
The cake is a lie.
i will not buy game and ship for $60 and then also pay $12 month just to play newest beta. It should be free. Also i don't know if i can use ship because in official video they say no but person here says yes.
i wait and watch streamers, but only 3 or 4 on twitch, is really sad for 114 million game only few people stream
---> Have fun
Why you always say Have fun?
10+ pages of streamers.
Because i
Have fun ;-)
MurderHerd
That's part of the reason why SC has attracted such a huge fan base willing to throw so much money at it. It is offering the full package, while it's competitors are offering just a few of the parts.
Elite:Dangerous should have - in the long run - also avatars that move around. Might take a few more years. And the Peer-to-peer model of E:D is not very suited for that (so they might have to change it - and they will only do that if enough money comes in to pay for the changes).
Avatars in the cockpit (kinda similar to the captains quarter in EVE Online) in E:D are a go. But with much less options than in SC. Vehicles on barren planets in E:D is a go - is fun to drive around and explore and fight dirtside.
W.r.t. Youtube videos:
I recommend you take a look at the many videos focussing not on shopping but on the Starfarer. It is used as a place for running FPS gunbattles. Or assault gunboat to deliver "marines" to security outposts. Or "party club" for choreographed dancing ;-)
Furthermore there is the first "slave trading" video as well as the "Big Benny" competition videos.
Everything to be found via Google.
Female avatars are being worked on. Currently they are not in the Alpha yet.
Have fun
Right now we can fly around and drive around rocky planets, ice planets, moons etc. Atmospheric planets might possibly be in next year's content but then you need reasons for people to go there and if you're talking about life-supporting planets then a huge amount of work becomes involved.
Hi there,
I liked the graphic in the other thread so i thought i share this with everyone.
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