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Highly anticipated, sandbox mmo [Dark and Light] will have B2P in EU/na

DragnelusDragnelus Member EpicPosts: 3,503
edited August 2016 in The Pub at MMORPG.COM

http://2p.com/44494943_1/Dark-and-Light-Pay-to-Play-Business-Model-Confirmed-by-shaylynsun.htm

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/dnl/comments/4ze9w0/b2p_confirmed_via_horsejoke_on_discord_screenshot/


Hmm whats true?

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In the previous article, we have already introduced that the progression systems will be a mix of vertical and horizontal progression. Now we know that players will be able to assign the attribute points and skill points as they level up so DnL is technically classless. Horsejoke listed several examples:

Attributes include Stamina, Health, Resistance, and Weight Limit. Focusing on these attributes would help a player develop as more of an explorer and builder due to their improved survivability, while another player may choose to improve the Strength and Speed if they plan on joining the front lines in PvP / PvE. As for skills, players will invest skill points into their choice of skill trees as they level up. These skill trees will cover various important survival skills such as building, toolmaking, exploration, offensive magic, and more. Players can choose to either specialize by investing heavily into individual skill trees to unlock the highest-tier skills, or they can become a jack of all trades (and master of none!) if they prefer to play solo.


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  • DaikuruDaikuru Member RarePosts: 797
    Good news imo. :D
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  • PhryPhry Member LegendaryPosts: 11,004
    Daikuru said:
    Good news imo. :D
    As someone who is unhappy with how so many F2P and B2P games become outright cash grabs, i have to agree, i'm now a bit more interested in the game than i was before.
    Will be keeping an eye on the progress of this game. :)
  • Laughing-manLaughing-man Member RarePosts: 3,655
    edited August 2016
    As long as this pay to play game doesn't ALSO have a cash shop or anything.  Man I miss the days where we didn't wait for the other shoe to drop.  Though I must say I miss sub games, FFXIV and WoW are the top two theme parks for a reason. (in my opinion)
  • AlbatroesAlbatroes Member LegendaryPosts: 7,671
    Phry said:
    Daikuru said:
    Good news imo. :D
    As someone who is unhappy with how so many F2P and B2P games become outright cash grabs, i have to agree, i'm now a bit more interested in the game than i was before.
    Will be keeping an eye on the progress of this game. :)
    I want to support it but honestly, who are these guys? You know what I mean? We already had so many p2p games fail in the past 5 years alone. It honestly just seems like a milk tactic. P2P > B2P > F2P in that order. Luckily, ESO hasn't hit F2P yet but still adding rng boxes is already a f2p tactic. BDO will eventually go F2P I can guarantee that. so idk.
  • AlbatroesAlbatroes Member LegendaryPosts: 7,671
    Laughing-man said:
    FFXIV and WoW are the top two theme parks for a reason. (in my opinion)
    People say this alot but how many P2P games are honestly left now? Many of these f2p/b2p games have sub options now so its kind of hard to judge what's "best" (I know its your opinion, just generalizing) in a field that doesn't have much comp. Even those 2 mentioned have cash shops, which is a running theme in all mmorpgs. Other thing that is different is what is in them, for now at least.
  • SavageHorizonSavageHorizon Member EpicPosts: 3,480
    Old news about the pay structure. 




  • JakobmillerJakobmiller Member RarePosts: 694
    Albatroes said:
    Laughing-man said:
    FFXIV and WoW are the top two theme parks for a reason. (in my opinion)
    People say this alot but how many P2P games are honestly left now? Many of these f2p/b2p games have sub options now so its kind of hard to judge what's "best" (I know its your opinion, just generalizing) in a field that doesn't have much comp. Even those 2 mentioned have cash shops, which is a running theme in all mmorpgs. Other thing that is different is what is in them, for now at least.
    Purely because it's too damn easy to earn fast money with F2P models. I have never enjoyed a F2P or B2P MMORPG. NEVER. They have all been P2P-based.
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,057
    edited August 2016
    As long as this pay to play game doesn't ALSO have a cash shop or anything.  Man I miss the days where we didn't wait for the other shoe to drop.  Though I must say I miss sub games, FFXIV and WoW are the top two theme parks for a reason. (in my opinion)
    Along with EVE which is a P2P sandbox, but are these games tops in their genre's because they are P2P, or because they are great games which give players a reason to be willing to pay for a sub. (or no other option, but same thing really) :)

    But this is promising news, but I would be surprised if they offered nothing in a cash shop, even the two titles you listed have them, along with EVE of course.


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  • VictoriaRachelVictoriaRachel Member UncommonPosts: 79

    The Snail Games Developer who often speaks in the Discord set up for the game is questioning if there is something lost in translation here. It appears the plan is B2P and not a traditional sub P2P model.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/dnl/comments/4ze9w0/b2p_confirmed_via_horsejoke_on_discord_screenshot/ and https://www.reddit.com/r/dnl/comments/4zc10t/dark_and_light_is_officially_according_to_dnl/

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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    Kyleran said:
    As long as this pay to play game doesn't ALSO have a cash shop or anything.  Man I miss the days where we didn't wait for the other shoe to drop.  Though I must say I miss sub games, FFXIV and WoW are the top two theme parks for a reason. (in my opinion)
    Along with EVE which is a P2P sandbox, but are these games tops in their genre's because they are P2P, or because they are great games which give players a reason to be willing to pay for a sub. (or no other option, but same thing really) :)

    But this is promising news, but I would be surprised if they offered nothing in a cash shop, even the two titles you listed have them, along with EVE of course.


    EVE works as a P2P game because CCP is content with a smallish niche audience. Which, IMO, is the correct mindset for MMO developers. DAoC is also still puttering along with a sub and a small niche audience and it's two year's older than EVE.
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  • SavageHorizonSavageHorizon Member EpicPosts: 3,480
    edited August 2016
    Scroll down to business model, they have already confirmed the pay model four weeks ago at China Joy. 


    This pay model is for consoles aswe
    http://mmoculture.com/2016/07/snail-games-vp-chats-with-media-on-age-of-wushu-2-and-dark-and-light/




  • R3d.GallowsR3d.Gallows Member UncommonPosts: 155
    Iterest piqued... and lost.
  • gervaise1gervaise1 Member EpicPosts: 6,919
    Phry said:
    Daikuru said:
    Good news imo. :D
    As someone who is unhappy with how so many F2P and B2P and subscription games become outright cash grabs, i have to agree, i'm now a bit more interested in the game than i was before.
    Will be keeping an eye on the progress of this game. :)
    Fixed!
  • SpottyGekkoSpottyGekko Member EpicPosts: 6,916
    Unless this game is really a "labour of love" for Snailgames, I can't believe that they will be content with 20K or 30K subs.

    IF it launches as a subscription only game, it won't stay that way for long. And it will almost certainly have a Cash Shop from the get-go, so that "those who want to spend more are not restricted by the monthly sub"...

    Perhaps Snail will astound the gaming public, but I won't hold my breath on that one, lol
  • danwest58danwest58 Member RarePosts: 2,012
    DMKano said:
    Daikuru said:
    Good news imo. :D

    Wrong news.

    It will be b2p and later transition to f2p.

    If they launched with p2p they wouldn't even gave 10k players - it would be a total disaster. 

    Sorry DMKano.  Its the RIGHT move.  Its a SANDBOX MMO you cannot have a cashshop in an Sandbox MMO because the only people who will play are the whales.  Look at ArcheAge they screw over everyone by the cash shop because you can buy mats and labor pots there so if you have a Large Wallet NO ONE can go head to head with you in crafting.  You are not a good crafter because you are good, you are good because you Wallet.  Now look at BDO, you BUY your gear.  F2P B2P are only cash grabs period end of story.  

    P2P you are the one that wins or looses based on your in game and social skills NOT your Wallet.  


    P2P is the right way to go.  Its a Fair system.  You either PAY your you dont.  
  • SavageHorizonSavageHorizon Member EpicPosts: 3,480
    Yeah it's like people are dumb and make issues out of something that has already been decided. 

    The game is going to be B2p.






  • Laughing-manLaughing-man Member RarePosts: 3,655
    edited August 2016
    DMKano said:
    danwest58 said:
    DMKano said:
    Daikuru said:
    Good news imo. :D

    Wrong news.

    It will be b2p and later transition to f2p.

    If they launched with p2p they wouldn't even gave 10k players - it would be a total disaster. 

    Sorry DMKano.  Its the RIGHT move.  Its a SANDBOX MMO you cannot have a cashshop in an Sandbox MMO because the only people who will play are the whales.  Look at ArcheAge they screw over everyone by the cash shop because you can buy mats and labor pots there so if you have a Large Wallet NO ONE can go head to head with you in crafting.  You are not a good crafter because you are good, you are good because you Wallet.  Now look at BDO, you BUY your gear.  F2P B2P are only cash grabs period end of story.  

    P2P you are the one that wins or looses based on your in game and social skills NOT your Wallet.  


    P2P is the right way to go.  Its a Fair system.  You either PAY your you dont.  


    Maybe you missed my point - Dark and Light will be B2P on launch NOT P2P like the OP said.

    So we are not discussing which model is better, just pointing out facts for this game launch 
    So wait, when they said p2p on their twitter feed they meant "You have to pay us money to be able to access the game."  Which to us is buy to play, because there is no mention of a subscription.  I see.

    So Black Desert.  ...
  • SavageHorizonSavageHorizon Member EpicPosts: 3,480
    danwest58 said:
    DMKano said:
    Daikuru said:
    Good news imo. :D

    Wrong news.

    It will be b2p and later transition to f2p.

    If they launched with p2p they wouldn't even gave 10k players - it would be a total disaster. 

    Sorry DMKano.  Its the RIGHT move.  Its a SANDBOX MMO you cannot have a cashshop in an Sandbox MMO because the only people who will play are the whales.  Look at ArcheAge they screw over everyone by the cash shop because you can buy mats and labor pots there so if you have a Large Wallet NO ONE can go head to head with you in crafting.  You are not a good crafter because you are good, you are good because you Wallet.  Now look at BDO, you BUY your gear.  F2P B2P are only cash grabs period end of story.  

    P2P you are the one that wins or looses based on your in game and social skills NOT your Wallet.  


    P2P is the right way to go.  Its a Fair system.  You either PAY your you dont.


    .................

     The game has already been confirmed that it will be B2P so your point is mute lol. 




  • Laughing-manLaughing-man Member RarePosts: 3,655
    danwest58 said:
    DMKano said:
    Daikuru said:
    Good news imo. :D

    Wrong news.

    It will be b2p and later transition to f2p.

    If they launched with p2p they wouldn't even gave 10k players - it would be a total disaster. 


    .................

     The game has already been confirmed that it will be B2P so your point is mute lol. 
    With all respect sir.
    http://blog.dictionary.com/moot-point-vs-mute-point/
    Sorry, a little pet peeve of mine.
  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    SavageHorizon said:
    danwest58 said:
    DMKano said:
    Daikuru said:
    Good news imo. :D

    Wrong news.

    It will be b2p and later transition to f2p.

    If they launched with p2p they wouldn't even gave 10k players - it would be a total disaster. 

    Sorry DMKano.  Its the RIGHT move.  Its a SANDBOX MMO you cannot have a cashshop in an Sandbox MMO because the only people who will play are the whales.  Look at ArcheAge they screw over everyone by the cash shop because you can buy mats and labor pots there so if you have a Large Wallet NO ONE can go head to head with you in crafting.  You are not a good crafter because you are good, you are good because you Wallet.  Now look at BDO, you BUY your gear.  F2P B2P are only cash grabs period end of story.  

    P2P you are the one that wins or looses based on your in game and social skills NOT your Wallet.  


    P2P is the right way to go.  Its a Fair system.  You either PAY your you dont.


    .................

     The game has already been confirmed that it will be B2P so your point is mute lol. 
    B2P doesn't describe just one type of system. TSW, GW2, ESO and BDO all have their own different versions of B2P. Some have optional subs, some don't. Some have paid DLC some don't. And the cash shop content and prices also varies.

    All we know is that there have been a couple of tweets that confirm its B2P and not what we call P2P but we still don't have the details.
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  • DaikuruDaikuru Member RarePosts: 797
    Seems there is a bit confusion about p2p or b2p, they said p2p in their tweet but meant b2p(?), well b2p is p2p, but you just have to pay once. :D

    https://www.reddit.com/r/dnl/comments/4ze9w0/b2p_confirmed_via_horsejoke_on_discord_screenshot/

    http://mmoculture.com/2016/07/snail-games-vp-chats-with-media-on-age-of-wushu-2-and-dark-and-light/

    Still better than f2p (hopefully).
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  • alivenaliven Member UncommonPosts: 346
    Another cash grab that is praised because it is b2p? Will people never learn?
  • VictoriaRachelVictoriaRachel Member UncommonPosts: 79
    edited August 2016

    If only people had posted those links already...

    Is there anyway to 'report' the original post so that the information can be included and is not lost in the comments?

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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,936
    Phry said:
    Daikuru said:
    Good news imo. :D
    As someone who is unhappy with how so many F2P and B2P games become outright cash grabs, i have to agree, i'm now a bit more interested in the game than i was before.
    Will be keeping an eye on the progress of this game. :)
    At this point it's probably really important to point out that they will probably start with a sub and move to f2p or even b2p with cash shop.


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  • SavageHorizonSavageHorizon Member EpicPosts: 3,480
    Laughing-man said:
    danwest58 said:
    DMKano said:
    Daikuru said:
    Good news imo. :D

    Wrong news.

    It will be b2p and later transition to f2p.

    If they launched with p2p they wouldn't even gave 10k players - it would be a total disaster. 


    .................

     The game has already been confirmed that it will be B2P so your point is mute lol. 
    With all respect sir.
    http://blog.dictionary.com/moot-point-vs-mute-point/
    Sorry, a little pet peeve of mine.

    ...........

    I'm French so I don't really give shit about English spelling as long as I get my point across. 




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