Where are you pulling those numbers from? Is there an archive or something? I was interested in seeing what the yearly funding has been year-over-year, but they only show the past 6 months on their site.
Just checked, funding over the years on Nov/Dec: 2012- 4.3+300k = 4.6m 2013- 7.8+2.1 = 9.9m 2014- 6.1+3.1 = 9.2m 2015- 5.3+5.2 = 10.5m 2016- 7.7+3 = 10.7m
Makes it so nov/dec of 2016 were indeed the best for them.
but not the most successful months - so what is the intend of writing this when you know (and the rabbit knows) that the facts tell another story
Yeah, but if you look at the spreadsheet, year over year breaks down like this:
2013
Total
$28,353,523
2014
Total
$32,939,249
2015
Total
$35,943,726
2016
Total
$36,112,437
So their funding has actually increased year over year since the beginning of the project. Honestly, I don't think that months really matter that much since they can be influenced by events, etc. So I'm not sure what story the facts are telling. What are you talking about?
I'm poking on Hellion's release, if you not heard of it check it out, it's spacish multi-crew mp with the more hardcore-ish approach and I'm investing to get stuff going on it within one of my communities.
One day that cat will catch the red dot, being the red dot the SC's release date!
Just checked, funding over the years on Nov/Dec: 2012- 4.3+300k = 4.6m 2013- 7.8+2.1 = 9.9m 2014- 6.1+3.1 = 9.2m 2015- 5.3+5.2 = 10.5m 2016- 7.7+3 = 10.7m
Makes it so nov/dec of 2016 were indeed the best for them.
but not the most successful months - so what is the intend of writing this when you know (and the rabbit knows) that the facts tell another story
Yeah, but if you look at the spreadsheet, year over year breaks down like this:
2013
Total
$28,353,523
2014
Total
$32,939,249
2015
Total
$35,943,726
2016
Total
$36,112,437
So their funding has actually increased year over year since the beginning of the project. Honestly, I don't think that months really matter that much since they can be influenced by events, etc. So I'm not sure what story the facts are telling. What are you talking about?
I am talking about spreading false information like:
Just checked, funding over the years on Nov/Dec: 2012- 4.3+300k = 4.6m 2013- 7.8+2.1 = 9.9m 2014- 6.1+3.1 = 9.2m 2015- 5.3+5.2 = 10.5m 2016- 7.7+3 = 10.7m
Makes it so nov/dec of 2016 were indeed the best for them.
but not the most successful months - so what is the intend of writing this when you know (and the rabbit knows) that the facts tell another story
Yeah, but if you look at the spreadsheet, year over year breaks down like this:
2013
Total
$28,353,523
2014
Total
$32,939,249
2015
Total
$35,943,726
2016
Total
$36,112,437
So their funding has actually increased year over year since the beginning of the project. Honestly, I don't think that months really matter that much since they can be influenced by events, etc. So I'm not sure what story the facts are telling. What are you talking about?
I am talking about spreading false information like:
May I remind you .... Nov/Dec 2016 were the most successful months in the history of this crowdfunding campaign.
Have fun
I don't know about that. It might be stretching it a bit thin, no? I think that you've made some strong arguments in the past, but this isn't one of them. You're response to this was that they weren't the most successful months. Is that the concern? I gave you the year-over-year numbers, which should satisfy that the annual project funding is increasing year-over-year. So the monthly funding is inconsequential when we're discussing the financial viability of a business. So what's the relevant point you're trying to make? That the Internet lies? Good luck, we all know if it exists on the Internet then it's true.
I don't know about that. It might be stretching it a bit thin, no? I think that you've made some strong arguments in the past, but this isn't one of them. You're response to this was that they weren't the most successful months. Is that the concern? I gave you the year-over-year numbers, which should satisfy that the annual project funding is increasing year-over-year. So the monthly funding is inconsequential when we're discussing the financial viability of a business. So what's the relevant point you're trying to make? That the Internet lies? Good luck, we all know if it exists on the Internet then it's true.
Basically he could just say "nov 2016 was the most successful month" but falsified this statement by adding the december - just because ... reasons? I just don't like it when easily accessable facts are being bent this way just to make arguments stronger. Because Erilion knows the funding spreadsheet and is very well informed > this was a lie - I just wanted to point this out to stop this behaviour. ... or ... is ... chris ... roberts ... contagious? We could call it CRBD (Chris Roberts Behavioural Disorder) and search for a cure ... maybe the MobiGlass CureSearch Minigame has the answer.
When you have cake, it is not the cake that creates the most magnificent of experiences, but it is the emotions attached to it. The cake is a lie.
I did not say that Nov 2016 was the most successful month.
Correction: I spoke about Oct+Nov 2016 ... and i was wrong (and have admitted so .... see corrections in previous posts). I was wrong by 12220 $ compared to the October/November 2013 period .... that is less than 0.1 % ... thank you @MaxBacon and @Turrican187 for the correction.
The numbers i quoted were to support that the crowdfunding campaign is running as strong as ever. Which is not changed in any way by it being 13,004,390 $ or 12,992,170 $.
If the facts are so easily accessable ... why do you ignore them ?
@CrazKanuk just showed - with these easily accessable facts - that the crowdfunding campaign brings in more than ever 28,3 M --> 32,9 M --> 35, 9 M --> 36,1 M
So ... "what story do these facts tell" YOU @Turrican187 ; ?
I did not say that Nov 2016 was the most successful month.
I spoke about Nov+Dec 2016 ... and i was wrong (and have admitted so). I was wrong by 12220 $ or less than 0.1 % ... thank you @MaxBacon for the correction.
The numbers i quoted were to support that the crowdfunding campaign is running as strong as ever. Which is not changed in any way by it being 13,004,390 $ or 12,992,170 $.
If the facts are so easily accessable ... why do you ignore them ?
@CrazKanuk just showed - with these easily accessable facts - that the crowdfunding campaign brings in more than ever 28,3 M --> 32,9 M --> 35, 9 M --> 36,1 M
So ... "what story do these facts tell" YOU @Turrican187 ; ?
Have fun
That you are either not good in math or reading. Edit: You were off by 2.205.947 - this is a bit more than 0.1% (Sucessful months (oct/nov 2013) to nov/dec 2016)
When you have cake, it is not the cake that creates the most magnificent of experiences, but it is the emotions attached to it. The cake is a lie.
They have $140 million, funding shouldn't be an issue let alone a topic to be discussed as if they have no money.
“Nevertheless, the human brain, which survives by hoping from one second to another, will always endeavor to put off the moment of truth. Moist” ― Terry Pratchett, Making Money
I did not say that Nov 2016 was the most successful month.
I spoke about Nov+Dec 2016 ... and i was wrong (and have admitted so). I was wrong by 12220 $ or less than 0.1 % ... thank you @MaxBacon for the correction.
The numbers i quoted were to support that the crowdfunding campaign is running as strong as ever. Which is not changed in any way by it being 13,004,390 $ or 12,992,170 $.
If the facts are so easily accessable ... why do you ignore them ?
@CrazKanuk just showed - with these easily accessable facts - that the crowdfunding campaign brings in more than ever 28,3 M --> 32,9 M --> 35, 9 M --> 36,1 M
So ... "what story do these facts tell" YOU @Turrican187 ; ?
Have fun
That you are either not good in math or reading.
And that it is imperative to keep this thread going so that as many people as possible read that, as @Turrican has identified, finances are not expected to stop SC launching. Great news and an excellent opening post.
They have $140 million, funding shouldn't be an issue let alone a topic to be discussed as if they have no money.
Correction, they have "taken in" 140 million. That is different than "they have" 140 million. They have over 300 staff in several countries, if you assume they are averaging 50k per employee, and that does not include benefits, they are spending 15 mill per year on staff alone. Then throw in the cost of all those fancy offices with those much needed $10,000 coffee machines, equipment, office furniture, mocap studio, actors fees, legal fees and money to pay the investors/guys at the top and you will quickly see that 140 million does not go as far as some people think...
There was an estimate being thrown around years ago that CIG needed 30 million per year to keep the doors open. Assuming there was any truth to that, they have already gone though 120 million.
"Sean (Murray) saying MP will be in the game is not remotely close to evidence that at the point of purchase people thought there was MP in the game." - SEANMCAD
I don't know about that. It might be stretching it a bit thin, no? I think that you've made some strong arguments in the past, but this isn't one of them. You're response to this was that they weren't the most successful months. Is that the concern? I gave you the year-over-year numbers, which should satisfy that the annual project funding is increasing year-over-year. So the monthly funding is inconsequential when we're discussing the financial viability of a business. So what's the relevant point you're trying to make? That the Internet lies? Good luck, we all know if it exists on the Internet then it's true.
Basically he could just say "nov 2016 was the most successful month" but falsified this statement by adding the december - just because ... reasons? I just don't like it when easily accessable facts are being bent this way just to make arguments stronger. Because Erilion knows the funding spreadsheet and is very well informed > this was a lie - I just wanted to point this out to stop this behaviour. ... or ... is ... chris ... roberts ... contagious? We could call it CRBD (Chris Roberts Behavioural Disorder) and search for a cure ... maybe the MobiGlass CureSearch Minigame has the answer.
Is it that easily accessible? I actually took the numbers offline and did crunching. Either way, let's say that @Erillion did say that November was the best month ever. There is 1 month that was higher than it. Just one! And the deviation on that was like 1.5%. You can't accuse someone of lying because they were mistaken about something. I understand you're very exacting, but you've got to be careful that you actually understand the value of your argument. By you claiming he's a liar because there was 1 month out of 50 where there was a bigger month, and the deviation was what could be considered statistically acceptable, you lose some of your credibility because you seem unreasonable. So now, for instance, I go back and question your whole diatribe on animations and I say, "Well if he's making a mountain out of this molehill, then are the animations REALLY going to be as severe a problem as he lets on?"
Just for the sake of numbers and being anal, November and December were, also, not the best 2 month combination. There were 2 combinations better than that, first being November/October 2013, second being November/October 2016. In fact, November is consistently the best month of the year, followed by October, mostly.
Either way, again, I think you're missing the bigger picture here, they had a great last quarter of 2016, not the best, but great.
That said, one observation I did make is that funding appears to be plateauing, so it should be interesting to see what comes in 2017. It could be that it's tipping over like a typical sales curve, which means that there might be 3 years of viable development left. So they could, theoretically be sustainable, without a released product, until 2020, unless the drop-off is less than typical.
@Turrican187 ; thank you for pointing out where my math failed ... I should not do things from memory and look at the numbers from time to time instead.
This time I did get me the numbers from the spreadsheet - which @CrazKanuk ; obviously has also done too already ... the October/November 2016 combination is stronger than the Nov/Dec 2016 combination.
October 2013 5.132.756 $
November 2013 7.871.634 $
Sum 13.004.390 $
October 2016 5.215.403 $
November 2016 7.776.767 $
Sum 12.992.170 $
And the big picture here ... as @CrazKanuk so aptly pointed out .... is that CIG is doing great in the crowdfunding campaign.
The crowdfunding campaign brings in more than ever: 28,3 M$ --> 32,9 M$ --> 35, 9 M$ --> 36,1 M$
Which bodes well not only for SQ42 - which we already know is financially safe (thanks to the OP aka you,@Turrican187 ) .... but also for Star Citizen Persistent Universe.
Overall ... thank you for providing the right setting in this thread for these pretty amazing numbers.
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Thanks for the link. That's some pretty cool stuff. Exactly what I was looking for.
Crazkanuk
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When you have cake, it is not the cake that creates the most magnificent of experiences, but it is the emotions attached to it.
The cake is a lie.
Yeah, but if you look at the spreadsheet, year over year breaks down like this:
So their funding has actually increased year over year since the beginning of the project. Honestly, I don't think that months really matter that much since they can be influenced by events, etc. So I'm not sure what story the facts are telling. What are you talking about?
Crazkanuk
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One day that cat will catch the red dot, being the red dot the SC's release date!
When you have cake, it is not the cake that creates the most magnificent of experiences, but it is the emotions attached to it.
The cake is a lie.
I don't know about that. It might be stretching it a bit thin, no? I think that you've made some strong arguments in the past, but this isn't one of them. You're response to this was that they weren't the most successful months. Is that the concern? I gave you the year-over-year numbers, which should satisfy that the annual project funding is increasing year-over-year. So the monthly funding is inconsequential when we're discussing the financial viability of a business. So what's the relevant point you're trying to make? That the Internet lies? Good luck, we all know if it exists on the Internet then it's true.
Crazkanuk
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Azarelos - 90 Hunter - Emerald
Durnzig - 90 Paladin - Emerald
Demonicron - 90 Death Knight - Emerald Dream - US
Tankinpain - 90 Monk - Azjol-Nerub - US
Brindell - 90 Warrior - Emerald Dream - US
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Because Erilion knows the funding spreadsheet and is very well informed > this was a lie - I just wanted to point this out to stop this behaviour.
... or ... is ... chris ... roberts ... contagious? We could call it CRBD (Chris Roberts Behavioural Disorder) and search for a cure ... maybe the MobiGlass CureSearch Minigame has the answer.
When you have cake, it is not the cake that creates the most magnificent of experiences, but it is the emotions attached to it.
The cake is a lie.
Correction:
I spoke about Oct+Nov 2016 ... and i was wrong (and have admitted so .... see corrections in previous posts). I was wrong by 12220 $ compared to the October/November 2013 period .... that is less than 0.1 % ... thank you @MaxBacon and @Turrican187 for the correction.
The numbers i quoted were to support that the crowdfunding campaign is running as strong as ever. Which is not changed in any way by it being 13,004,390 $ or 12,992,170 $.
If the facts are so easily accessable ... why do you ignore them ?
@CrazKanuk just showed - with these easily accessable facts - that the crowdfunding campaign brings in more than ever 28,3 M --> 32,9 M --> 35, 9 M --> 36,1 M
So ... "what story do these facts tell" YOU @Turrican187 ; ?
Have fun
Edit: You were off by 2.205.947 - this is a bit more than 0.1% (Sucessful months (oct/nov 2013) to nov/dec 2016)
When you have cake, it is not the cake that creates the most magnificent of experiences, but it is the emotions attached to it.
The cake is a lie.
― Terry Pratchett, Making Money
There was an estimate being thrown around years ago that CIG needed 30 million per year to keep the doors open. Assuming there was any truth to that, they have already gone though 120 million.
Is it that easily accessible? I actually took the numbers offline and did crunching. Either way, let's say that @Erillion did say that November was the best month ever. There is 1 month that was higher than it. Just one! And the deviation on that was like 1.5%. You can't accuse someone of lying because they were mistaken about something. I understand you're very exacting, but you've got to be careful that you actually understand the value of your argument. By you claiming he's a liar because there was 1 month out of 50 where there was a bigger month, and the deviation was what could be considered statistically acceptable, you lose some of your credibility because you seem unreasonable. So now, for instance, I go back and question your whole diatribe on animations and I say, "Well if he's making a mountain out of this molehill, then are the animations REALLY going to be as severe a problem as he lets on?"
Just for the sake of numbers and being anal, November and December were, also, not the best 2 month combination. There were 2 combinations better than that, first being November/October 2013, second being November/October 2016. In fact, November is consistently the best month of the year, followed by October, mostly.
Either way, again, I think you're missing the bigger picture here, they had a great last quarter of 2016, not the best, but great.
That said, one observation I did make is that funding appears to be plateauing, so it should be interesting to see what comes in 2017. It could be that it's tipping over like a typical sales curve, which means that there might be 3 years of viable development left. So they could, theoretically be sustainable, without a released product, until 2020, unless the drop-off is less than typical.
Crazkanuk
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Azarelos - 90 Hunter - Emerald
Durnzig - 90 Paladin - Emerald
Demonicron - 90 Death Knight - Emerald Dream - US
Tankinpain - 90 Monk - Azjol-Nerub - US
Brindell - 90 Warrior - Emerald Dream - US
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This time I did get me the numbers from the spreadsheet - which @CrazKanuk ; obviously has also done too already ... the October/November 2016 combination is stronger than the Nov/Dec 2016 combination.
October 2013 5.132.756 $
November 2013 7.871.634 $
Sum 13.004.390 $
October 2016 5.215.403 $
November 2016 7.776.767 $
Sum 12.992.170 $
And the big picture here ... as @CrazKanuk so aptly pointed out .... is that CIG is doing great in the crowdfunding campaign.
The crowdfunding campaign brings in more than ever: 28,3 M$ --> 32,9 M$ --> 35, 9 M$ --> 36,1 M$
Which bodes well not only for SQ42 - which we already know is financially safe (thanks to the OP aka you,@Turrican187 ) .... but also for Star Citizen Persistent Universe.
Overall ... thank you for providing the right setting in this thread for these pretty amazing numbers.
Have fun