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blorpykins · July 2017

Actually, the fanbois are the group that needs allies to validate their argument, because a great majority of players be they veteran or newbs are quitting and have been quitting for years now... faster than ranks can be replenished even with FREE trials. Game sucks and people are tired of the lying and scheming from the devs. Not to mention all the insults and censorship in their official forums.

People keep trying to over simplify the argument or reduce it to a basic "like" versus "dislike" dialog when the facts remain unchanged. Portalarium has failed to deliver on Kickstarter promises and have even come out and said they were crammed in and very poorly thought out.

Chris Spears said this about Kickstarter promises:

"The stuff people are complaining isn't done apparently is all stretch goals that were honestly very poorly thought out and many crammed in by a couple of people who left the company immediately after KS completed."

As for the sauce... it appears as though the dev Chris Spears deleted his comment from Reddit but there are still traces of it in quotes and in wayback... how's that for above board.

ste2000 · July 2017

Royou said:

ste2000 said:

I am full aware that it was not directed to me, but it was about me, which gives me the right to reply. As for the comment being childish........ I don't think so, I never said or implied that it was an insult and your reply speaks for itself!

The childish remark wasn't aimed at your comment but at Klash2001 "another Ally!"
You accused me of being touchy, I explained that I was just replying to a childish remark, as if the number of "allies" make his (or mine) arguments any more valid.
There is nothing touchy about pointing out that bringing the "my E-peen is bigger than yours" argument into a debate is childish.

Kyleran · July 2017

Royou said:

Nilden said:

Royou said:

Wow am shocked, really thought that those that have been so vocale would give a good discussion and would come back with good sound evidence to back up all the shouting that they are doing....... Nada nothing all they do is edit their posts in the hope of keeping some face, but they forget that they unedited version are already quoted. Which proves one thing to me, all those that are shouting must be banned SOTA players that must have trolled the crap out of the SOTA forums, so came to vent their rage here, and that is very sad

Did you miss the links to the steam sales and numbers or are you just going to dismiss the largest digital PC sales platform on the internet?

I looked but is only a small fraction of the player base, so fail to see what impact steam has on the whole picture, to base any relevance to those figures is just lunacy, you can not look through a keyhole and then claim that you have seen the whole house, and those that are doing so, look and are very foolish as far as I am concerned.

The "largest digital PC sales platform on the internet?" ROFLMAO and what are you basing that on?

Well, there is this recent article.

https://www.lifewire.com/top-pc-game-digital-download-services-813065

Steam is clearly at the top of the author's list.

Royou · July 2017

blorpykins said:

Actually, the fanbois are the group that needs allies to validate their argument, because a great majority of players be they veteran or newbs are quitting and have been quitting for years now... faster than ranks can be replenished even with FREE trials. Game sucks and people are tired of the lying and scheming from the devs. Not to mention all the insults and censorship in their official forums.

People keep trying to over simplify the argument or reduce it to a basic "like" versus "dislike" dialog when the facts remain unchanged. Portalarium has failed to deliver on Kickstarter promises and have even come out and said they were crammed in and very poorly thought out.

Chris Spears said this about Kickstarter promises:

"The stuff people are complaining isn't done apparently is all stretch goals that were honestly very poorly thought out and many crammed in by a couple of people who left the company immediately after KS completed."

As for the sauce... it appears as though the dev Chris Spears deleted his comment from Reddit but there are still traces of it in quotes and in wayback... how's that for above board.

Where is your evidence of players quitting? or is this just your opinion!

Royou · July 2017

ste2000 said:

Royou said:

ste2000 said:

I am full aware that it was not directed to me, but it was about me, which gives me the right to reply. As for the comment being childish........ I don't think so, I never said or implied that it was an insult and your reply speaks for itself!

The childish remark wasn't aimed at your comment but at Klash2001 "another Ally!"
You accused me of being touchy, I explained that I was just replying to a childish remark, as if the number of "allies" make his (or mine) arguments any more valid.
There is nothing touchy about pointing out that bringing the "my E-peen is bigger than yours" argument into a debate is childish.

Wow you really are trying your hardest to confuse this thread, that or you just don't get that by replying to my post in a direct manner indicates that you were in fact replying to me, and not as you claim to @Klash2001.

As for you last comment........ don't know what you are talking about, as I have done nothing of the sort, but oh wait....... that was pointed at me was it not?

This only person that I can see and whom keeps brandishing the Childish brush..... is you, that is always done by someone that can't backup their argument!

blorpykins · July 2017

Royou said:

blorpykins said:

Actually, the fanbois are the group that needs allies to validate their argument, because a great majority of players be they veteran or newbs are quitting and have been quitting for years now... faster than ranks can be replenished even with FREE trials. Game sucks and people are tired of the lying and scheming from the devs. Not to mention all the insults and censorship in their official forums.

People keep trying to over simplify the argument or reduce it to a basic "like" versus "dislike" dialog when the facts remain unchanged. Portalarium has failed to deliver on Kickstarter promises and have even come out and said they were crammed in and very poorly thought out.

Chris Spears said this about Kickstarter promises:

"The stuff people are complaining isn't done apparently is all stretch goals that were honestly very poorly thought out and many crammed in by a couple of people who left the company immediately after KS completed."

As for the sauce... it appears as though the dev Chris Spears deleted his comment from Reddit but there are still traces of it in quotes and in wayback... how's that for above board.

Where is your evidence of players quitting? or is this just your opinion!

Bwahahaha, are you new here? Evidence of players quitting... hmmmm, check anywhere? lol. Reddit, Steam, and the official forums are always chock full of confused players and angry veterans just giving up... Check out YouTube for video reviews where players just give up and quit during their streams and of course the threads about folks quitting on the official forums, there are some gfreat ones of players finding the cash shop and just laughing with a solid "nope" of a final grade.

After reading their Steam reviews and posts on Reddit, check out the comments on their SeedInvest page and don't forget to review their presence on the BBB and basically everywhere they're mentioned on the Internet (any and every news article ever published on the game).

klash2001 · July 2017

ste2000 said:

klash2001 said:

Finally a second ally!:)

This isn't Alliance vs Horde, do grow up.
If your arguments are strong enough you don't need anyone else to back it up.
Plus the second "Ally" is not exactly singing the praises of the game.

He just said that the in-game community is nice, which I agree with, and the game has potential, but as I explained to you in another of my post, most of us have problem accepting that a game that is 5 years in development and spent $18 Millions so far, is still stuck in the "Potential" stage.
That's what most of us have a problem with.
By now the game should have more to it than just having "Potential".
Add to this that it doesn't look like the Developers are doing anything to convert this "Potential" into something real, as they seem more than happy with the work done so far.
And that's really worrying, because Portalarium still don't get what they need to do to make this game playable, let alone enjoyable.

The reason why the game is in this state is partly because people like you, who accept any excuses from Portalarium and keep waiting and waiting without complaining while pouring money into it.
With people like you Portalarium doesn't really have to try hard, and the results can be seen in the actual game.

A second ally as in "someone that isn't closed mind". I'm not playing any kids game here dude. My arguments would resonate if you guys would be more open minded and more knowledgeable about the game. The game isn't just in a "potential" state, it really is fun to play you don't know this cuz you haven been able yet to archive a level where you can enjoy it. 5 Years, man the game could take 10 years to develop as far as I'm concern as long as it delivers. That's the problem with young people they want everything and they want it FAST. If you were playing the game and was able to appreciate the work already done you would be able to see that this extremely fast potential will be so easy to implement, just because the fundamentals are strongly built and interlocked very well together. And by the way, I'm not waiting for anything from Portalarium, as I previously said, I missed the final wipe a year ago, and started playing it like 2 months ago, but with my UO experience, know that I would need some help to start from the beginning. Already when I played the game when it was "literraly" unplayable, I've met real good people. So I just went and found a guild, from there I was able to get knowledge on how to play the game, then have the priviledge to discovers all these deep mechanics and enjoy the game. Sure some things could be modified, but overall this game, for an old schooll UO player like me IS what I waited for for a spiritual successor or UO.

ste2000 · July 2017

Royou said:

ste2000 said:

Wow you really are trying your hardest to confuse this thread, that or you just don't get that by replying to my post in a direct manner indicates that you were in fact replying to me, and not as you claim to @Klash2001.

Or maybe you just need to learn how to read, there is also this possibility.

ste2000 · July 2017

klash2001 said:

ste2000 said:
A second ally as in "someone that isn't closed mind". I'm not playing any kids game here dude. My arguments would resonate if you guys would be more open minded and more knowledgeable about the game.

Your arguments don't resonate because they are the same recycled pile of steaming manure you can read every day on Shroudoftheavatar.com forums, which caused the game to become the mess it is now.
"Potential", "give time", "not ready", "not launched", "just needs polish", "you haven't tried hard enough" (just 7 times)...always the same tired excuses repeated again and again.

Did it cross your mind that maybe it is you being close minded refusing to listen to criticism this game is getting left, centre and right?
Of course not, it's the ohers that are closed minded, maybe you should look yourself in the mirror for a change.

blorpykins · July 2017

klash2001 said:

ste2000 said:

klash2001 said:

Finally a second ally!:)

This isn't Alliance vs Horde, do grow up.
If your arguments are strong enough you don't need anyone else to back it up.
Plus the second "Ally" is not exactly singing the praises of the game.

He just said that the in-game community is nice, which I agree with, and the game has potential, but as I explained to you in another of my post, most of us have problem accepting that a game that is 5 years in development and spent $18 Millions so far, is still stuck in the "Potential" stage.
That's what most of us have a problem with.
By now the game should have more to it than just having "Potential".
Add to this that it doesn't look like the Developers are doing anything to convert this "Potential" into something real, as they seem more than happy with the work done so far.
And that's really worrying, because Portalarium still don't get what they need to do to make this game playable, let alone enjoyable.

The reason why the game is in this state is partly because people like you, who accept any excuses from Portalarium and keep waiting and waiting without complaining while pouring money into it.
With people like you Portalarium doesn't really have to try hard, and the results can be seen in the actual game.

A second ally as in "someone that isn't closed mind". I'm not playing any kids game here dude. My arguments would resonate if you guys would be more open minded and more knowledgeable about the game. The game isn't just in a "potential" state, it really is fun to play you don't know this cuz you haven been able yet to archive a level where you can enjoy it. 5 Years, man the game could take 10 years to develop as far as I'm concern as long as it delivers. That's the problem with young people they want everything and they want it FAST. If you were playing the game and was able to appreciate the work already done you would be able to see that this extremely fast potential will be so easy to implement, just because the fundamentals are strongly built and interlocked very well together. And by the way, I'm not waiting for anything from Portalarium, as I previously said, I missed the final wipe a year ago, and started playing it like 2 months ago, but with my UO experience, know that I would need some help to start from the beginning. Already when I played the game when it was "literraly" unplayable, I've met real good people. So I just went and found a guild, from there I was able to get knowledge on how to play the game, then have the priviledge to discovers all these deep mechanics and enjoy the game. Sure some things could be modified, but overall this game, for an old schooll UO player like me IS what I waited for for a spiritual successor or UO.

To be fair, you can meet real good people in Prison, in ISIS, in North Korea, in church, everywhere on the internet, etc.... I think you can see where I'm going here.

The game is months away from "official launch" but has really been launched since final wipe a year ago. The grade has been passed, the game is lacking and the devs have failed to deliver on Kickstarter promises... they feed the whales whatever they want because that's the business model... RMT and keep the whales happy. For the couple dozen people that like the game as is, that's great for them - but it's not a game really... it's a grind with RMT. The game as it were... fails miserably and for anyone holding out there will be a moment when the smoke lifts and you all realize what's been going on.

Also, nice jab at 99.9999999% of gamers these days, problem with young people indeed. The problem is that the developers failed to identify a proper demographic and just gave everything to the RMT whales.

Ozmodan · July 2017

As a long time UO player. I was very disappointed in this game and I have kept hoping it would get better. I think, if anything, it has gotten worse!. Even Tabula Rasa was light years better than this game.

How anyone can defend this game is beyond me. As many have pointed out in this thread it has so many problems that it is just not worth taking the time to list them. Even dated Lotro. as old as it is, is a much better game. I can live with the graphics, but the gameplay is atrocious! About the only thing I can say about those that still play it, they have to be masochists.

Aron_Swordmaster · July 2017

blorpykins said:

No matter which side of the discussion you're on, all parties agree this train wreck has reality entertainment value for days on end. Like this nugget that just dropped today:

The devs are asking for suggestion on how to mitigate the load time between scenes.. hahaha - the DEVS are ASKING for ways to mitigate load times between scenes.

" We understand that load times are annoying (to us too!), so we certainly welcome suggestions of any kind that can help mitigate the wait."

And still people continue to think there's some ultimate reveal on the way when all the polish and game mechanics will just magically come together. hahahahahahahaha

Remember, the last release was supposed to have fixed load times.

But then again, some of us who were there from the Kickstarter remember that every damn release they claimed to have been "Polishing", but every patch note was almost always 50-75% focused on what was new in the Add On Store to purchase.

Kyleran · July 2017

klash2001 said:

ste2000 said:

klash2001 said:

Finally a second ally!:)

This isn't Alliance vs Horde, do grow up.
If your arguments are strong enough you don't need anyone else to back it up.
Plus the second "Ally" is not exactly singing the praises of the game.

He just said that the in-game community is nice, which I agree with, and the game has potential, but as I explained to you in another of my post, most of us have problem accepting that a game that is 5 years in development and spent $18 Millions so far, is still stuck in the "Potential" stage.
That's what most of us have a problem with.
By now the game should have more to it than just having "Potential".
Add to this that it doesn't look like the Developers are doing anything to convert this "Potential" into something real, as they seem more than happy with the work done so far.
And that's really worrying, because Portalarium still don't get what they need to do to make this game playable, let alone enjoyable.

The reason why the game is in this state is partly because people like you, who accept any excuses from Portalarium and keep waiting and waiting without complaining while pouring money into it.
With people like you Portalarium doesn't really have to try hard, and the results can be seen in the actual game.

A second ally as in "someone that isn't closed mind". I'm not playing any kids game here dude. My arguments would resonate if you guys would be more open minded and more knowledgeable about the game. The game isn't just in a "potential" state, it really is fun to play you don't know this cuz you haven been able yet to archive a level where you can enjoy it. 5 Years, man the game could take 10 years to develop as far as I'm concern as long as it delivers. That's the problem with young people they want everything and they want it FAST. If you were playing the game and was able to appreciate the work already done you would be able to see that this extremely fast potential will be so easy to implement, just because the fundamentals are strongly built and interlocked very well together. And by the way, I'm not waiting for anything from Portalarium, as I previously said, I missed the final wipe a year ago, and started playing it like 2 months ago, but with my UO experience, know that I would need some help to start from the beginning. Already when I played the game when it was "literraly" unplayable, I've met real good people. So I just went and found a guild, from there I was able to get knowledge on how to play the game, then have the priviledge to discovers all these deep mechanics and enjoy the game. Sure some things could be modified, but overall this game, for an old schooll UO player like me IS what I waited for for a spiritual successor or UO.

Perhaps you and other knowledgeable players could form the equivalent of "EVE Academy" which is a player run corporation entirely dedicated to introducing and educating new joiners to EVE.

Might go a long way to retaining players if they can more easily find the information they need.

klash2001 · July 2017

ste2000 said:

Royou said:

ste2000 said:

klash2001 said:

Finally a second ally!:)

This isn't Alliance vs Horde, do grow up.
If your arguments are strong enough you don't need anyone else to back it up.
Plus the second "Ally" is not exactly singing the praises of the game.

Touchy touchy, think you need to do the growing up, wow talk about a hot head!

By stating that this is not an Friends vs Foes situation is hardly being touchy, it wasn't an insult.
This is a discussion and some people agree with you while some don't, and the level of agreement is based on what you say, not how many "Allies" you have.
That comment was just childish.

By the way you forgot to switch back to @klash2001 (I was replying to him not to you), I know you need "Allies" to validate your argument, but you don't need to make it that obvious you are mass producing them yourself.

the word ally, I used it because of the language barrier, and you know it. You supposendly said that you didn't care about the language barrier but hey you're using it to make points that are false and dishonest....

You forgot something in this quote, something MAJOR: "This is a discussion and some people agree with you while some don't, and the level of agreement is based on what you say WHICH IS ITSELF BASED ON YOUR LEVEL OF KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE GAME"....

klash2001 · July 2017

blorpykins said:

Actually, the fanbois are the group that needs allies to validate their argument, because a great majority of players be they veteran or newbs are quitting and have been quitting for years now... faster than ranks can be replenished even with FREE trials. Game sucks and people are tired of the lying and scheming from the devs. Not to mention all the insults and censorship in their official forums.

It's not because you can't (for whatever reason) understand something, that this thing is untruth. SotA was supposed to be the spiritual successor of UO and it is, we (old UO players) would be spending our precious rl time to try to make you see that if it wasn't the case? No i an't someone that invest 20K of my own pocket and is using this game a a way to make more money in my life. Even though I invested quite a bite like 600$ CND, I don't care about the money, if when I stop playing the game years from now I can sell my accounts and make profit, good! But in my heart I don't care, I don't invested in the game because of that, I do invested at the beginning for the hope to be what it has been called spiritual successor of UO. And when I realized it really was, I could help it but buy things that made the game even more enjoyable AND helping the game develop and succeed at the same time. If you're unable to see that the game has the spirit of UO (for whateve reason again) it doesn't mean that you have been lied and as a free thinker, if you are, you should react as one. I already provided enough evidences and ways for you guys to get a idea...a free month of playing alone isn't shit. What would you have done in UO back in the days, starting from the beginning in a month? huh? Nothing significant! That's why even though they are opening free trials, it doesn't help the game, unless you've learned from UO and now KNOW that if it's the same kind of game, in order to "start understanding it" quickly you'll need some help and therefore the better way if your alone is to find a guild. Thanks enough the community is great and you'll soon learn that, and from that point your mind will change....but only if your are ready to make the first mandatory state..."rethink you assumptions." I can't put it in english, in french we says "remettre en question/doute ces propres idees"

Aron_Swordmaster · July 2017

Royou said:

This only person that I can see and whom keeps brandishing the Childish brush..... is you, that is alway done by someone that can't backup their argument!

Sad, just so very, very sad.

Yet another member of the Shroud community (or is it the same one yet again? They find it so hard to keep their sleeper accounts and supposed main identities separate) who seems to think that as soon as they write something, it's instantly forgotten by everyone else as easily as they forget how they just behaved.

I don't need to re-cap the pathetic abuse, the hypocrisy, the childish shouting and LOLOLITROLLJOO behaviour you can all read above. Remember, this is supposed to be the mature community Shroud has.

And bear in mind that these two (one?) posters are the ones you're likely to run into because the community is so, so small. That and the guy who threatens people's children and brags on reddit about trying to harm people. And the lady who has rage attacks because your lighthouse is near her home, or someone suggests they'd play Shroud more if there was an RMT free server. And then there's the guy who...

But let's talk about that actual size, shall we? You see, if you assume everyone else is as dysfunctional and plain stupid as the above two posters, you think just shouting "where is ur factz?!" is a good argument, because you don't understand facts, and assume no one else can, and thus facts don't actually exist.

They do though.

We've got all the facts Portalarium dared share with us. They had to release at least the positive claims in their SeedInvest. Many of us have been pointing them out time and time again, whilst literal idiots claim it's not possible to know how many of the users have quit or are on Steam.

We know the total number of accounts: They're claiming 65,000 "testers"
We know the total number of Pledges sold by July 2016: 62.375. So in the last year, they've only sold 2,000 to 3,000 new accounts at maximum. And that's after multiple Free Trials.
We know then the percentage of people who are playing via Steam; because the game won't be tracked unless it's been shown as active on your account; at approximately 35,000, it's well over half of all accounts still
We know that if you double all the Steam Peak figures, only 400-500 people are playing at any one time. They admitted this themselves on the AMA. And that's the "I Lie About Figures All The Time" Chris Spears talking. Remember when he got caught lying about Steam review statistics, and then it turned out at least 2 of the reviews he lied about were themselves from Portalarium's own staff?
We know too that Chris Spears admits only 200 out of 1,100 free users can even last more than 2 hours, and many won't even go beyond the tutorial.
We know too then by all of the above that at 3,000 individuals who start the game over 2 weeks on Steam, doubled, that out of 65,000 sales, only in 1 in 10.8 actually still play.
We know then that the game just isn't liked even by people who get it for free, never mind the huge majority who have already paid for it and simply walked away.

But look what happens if you try and point out the game is terrible; you get sociopaths, liars, charlatans and obsessive cultists who go on abusive tirades where they have to seek "allies" (or just use sockpuppets to claim to be them), who claim outright harassment might be justified by "dividing the community" (see Klash2001 defending that above) whilst others post abusive post after post, pretend they've never done it, and claim no one is allowed to know or think anything they don't agree with...

I was right, wasn't I? I kickstarted Shroud because I wanted the spiritual successor to Ultima, where decent, unselfish people acted virtuously in a game with more depth than the competition. Where Sacrifice and Honesty were the true Kings, not the cult of Lord British, who foolishly got himself trapped in the Underworld...

What we all got was some unholy mix of Objectivist "Greed is God" philosophy mixed with some sort of vicious Scientologist style cult. But with appalling path finding and NPCs that slide around on their backs mixed in too.

I'm right. You can see it now, can't you? Stay far, far away from Shroud and it's messed up community.

(I know one decent person who still plays, to be fair. Game's crap even so though).

klash2001 · July 2017

ste2000 said:

Royou said:

ste2000 said:

I am full aware that it was not directed to me, but it was about me, which gives me the right to reply. As for the comment being childish........ I don't think so, I never said or implied that it was an insult and your reply speaks for itself!

The childish remark wasn't aimed at your comment but at Klash2001 "another Ally!"
You accused me of being touchy, I explained that I was just replying to a childish remark, as if the number of "allies" make his (or mine) arguments any more valid.
There is nothing touchy about pointing out that bringing the "my E-peen is bigger than yours" argument into a debate is childish.

I've been debating for 2 or 3 days alone advocating for the game againts all you ALONE and when english isn't my first language...if you admit that there are 2 sides in a debate with 2 different view, then if someone come with the same view to add what he sees, his thoughts and his understanding and "how" he came to view the subject the same way as you, but with his own argument, how do you call this? I couldn't find a better word than "ally", sorry. But hey, you know it anyway...

klash2001 · July 2017

blorpykins said:

Royou said:

blorpykins said:

Actually, the fanbois are the group that needs allies to validate their argument, because a great majority of players be they veteran or newbs are quitting and have been quitting for years now... faster than ranks can be replenished even with FREE trials. Game sucks and people are tired of the lying and scheming from the devs. Not to mention all the insults and censorship in their official forums.

People keep trying to over simplify the argument or reduce it to a basic "like" versus "dislike" dialog when the facts remain unchanged. Portalarium has failed to deliver on Kickstarter promises and have even come out and said they were crammed in and very poorly thought out.

Chris Spears said this about Kickstarter promises:

"The stuff people are complaining isn't done apparently is all stretch goals that were honestly very poorly thought out and many crammed in by a couple of people who left the company immediately after KS completed."

As for the sauce... it appears as though the dev Chris Spears deleted his comment from Reddit but there are still traces of it in quotes and in wayback... how's that for above board.

Where is your evidence of players quitting? or is this just your opinion!

Bwahahaha, are you new here? Evidence of players quitting... hmmmm, check anywhere? lol. Reddit, Steam, and the official forums are always chock full of confused players and angry veterans just giving up... Check out YouTube for video reviews where players just give up and quit during their streams and of course the threads about folks quitting on the official forums, there are some gfreat ones of players finding the cash shop and just laughing with a solid "nope" of a final grade.

After reading their Steam reviews and posts on Reddit, check out the comments on their SeedInvest page and don't forget to review their presence on the BBB and basically everywhere they're mentioned on the Internet (any and every news article ever published on the game).

You are probably like 90% of the western population right now, still listening to mainstream television, radio shows, magazines...don't rely on someone's thought...experience it on your own THE RIGHT WAY.

klash2001 · July 2017

ste2000 said:

klash2001 said:

ste2000 said:
A second ally as in "someone that isn't closed mind". I'm not playing any kids game here dude. My arguments would resonate if you guys would be more open minded and more knowledgeable about the game.

Your arguments don't resonate because they are the same recycled pile of steaming manure you can read every day on Shroudoftheavatar.com forums, which caused the game to become the mess it is now.
"Potential", "give time", "not ready", "not launched", "just needs polish", "you haven't tried hard enough" (just 7 times)...always the same tired excuses repeated again and again.

Did it cross your mind that maybe it is you being close minded refusing to listen to criticism this game is getting left, centre and right?
Of course not, it's the ohers that are closed minded, maybe you should look yourself in the mirror for a change.

Or could it be that you are keep looking at my finger when i pointed 7 times the moon?

klash2001 · July 2017

blorpykins said:

klash2001 said:

ste2000 said:

klash2001 said:

Finally a second ally!:)

This isn't Alliance vs Horde, do grow up.
If your arguments are strong enough you don't need anyone else to back it up.
Plus the second "Ally" is not exactly singing the praises of the game.

He just said that the in-game community is nice, which I agree with, and the game has potential, but as I explained to you in another of my post, most of us have problem accepting that a game that is 5 years in development and spent $18 Millions so far, is still stuck in the "Potential" stage.
That's what most of us have a problem with.
By now the game should have more to it than just having "Potential".
Add to this that it doesn't look like the Developers are doing anything to convert this "Potential" into something real, as they seem more than happy with the work done so far.
And that's really worrying, because Portalarium still don't get what they need to do to make this game playable, let alone enjoyable.

The reason why the game is in this state is partly because people like you, who accept any excuses from Portalarium and keep waiting and waiting without complaining while pouring money into it.
With people like you Portalarium doesn't really have to try hard, and the results can be seen in the actual game.

A second ally as in "someone that isn't closed mind". I'm not playing any kids game here dude. My arguments would resonate if you guys would be more open minded and more knowledgeable about the game. The game isn't just in a "potential" state, it really is fun to play you don't know this cuz you haven been able yet to archive a level where you can enjoy it. 5 Years, man the game could take 10 years to develop as far as I'm concern as long as it delivers. That's the problem with young people they want everything and they want it FAST. If you were playing the game and was able to appreciate the work already done you would be able to see that this extremely fast potential will be so easy to implement, just because the fundamentals are strongly built and interlocked very well together. And by the way, I'm not waiting for anything from Portalarium, as I previously said, I missed the final wipe a year ago, and started playing it like 2 months ago, but with my UO experience, know that I would need some help to start from the beginning. Already when I played the game when it was "literraly" unplayable, I've met real good people. So I just went and found a guild, from there I was able to get knowledge on how to play the game, then have the priviledge to discovers all these deep mechanics and enjoy the game. Sure some things could be modified, but overall this game, for an old schooll UO player like me IS what I waited for for a spiritual successor or UO.

To be fair, you can meet real good people in Prison, in ISIS, in North Korea, in church, everywhere on the internet, etc.... I think you can see where I'm going here.

The game is months away from "official launch" but has really been launched since final wipe a year ago. The grade has been passed, the game is lacking and the devs have failed to deliver on Kickstarter promises... they feed the whales whatever they want because that's the business model... RMT and keep the whales happy. For the couple dozen people that like the game as is, that's great for them - but it's not a game really... it's a grind with RMT. The game as it were... fails miserably and for anyone holding out there will be a moment when the smoke lifts and you all realize what's been going on.

Also, nice jab at 99.9999999% of gamers these days, problem with young people indeed. The problem is that the developers failed to identify a proper demographic and just gave everything to the RMT whales.

RMT as it is in SotA totally directs the game to a mature audience, US, old UO players. I've explained this in a previous post.

klash2001 · July 2017

Aron_Swordmaster said:

blorpykins said:

No matter which side of the discussion you're on, all parties agree this train wreck has reality entertainment value for days on end. Like this nugget that just dropped today:

The devs are asking for suggestion on how to mitigate the load time between scenes.. hahaha - the DEVS are ASKING for ways to mitigate load times between scenes.

" We understand that load times are annoying (to us too!), so we certainly welcome suggestions of any kind that can help mitigate the wait."

And still people continue to think there's some ultimate reveal on the way when all the polish and game mechanics will just magically come together. hahahahahahahaha

Remember, the last release was supposed to have fixed load times.

But then again, some of us who were there from the Kickstarter remember that every damn release they claimed to have been "Polishing", but every patch note was almost always 50-75% focused on what was new in the Add On Store to purchase.

Since the last new release, loading times have dropped by 25%.

klash2001 · July 2017

Kyleran said:

klash2001 said:

ste2000 said:

klash2001 said:

Finally a second ally!:)

This isn't Alliance vs Horde, do grow up.
If your arguments are strong enough you don't need anyone else to back it up.
Plus the second "Ally" is not exactly singing the praises of the game.

He just said that the in-game community is nice, which I agree with, and the game has potential, but as I explained to you in another of my post, most of us have problem accepting that a game that is 5 years in development and spent $18 Millions so far, is still stuck in the "Potential" stage.
That's what most of us have a problem with.
By now the game should have more to it than just having "Potential".
Add to this that it doesn't look like the Developers are doing anything to convert this "Potential" into something real, as they seem more than happy with the work done so far.
And that's really worrying, because Portalarium still don't get what they need to do to make this game playable, let alone enjoyable.

The reason why the game is in this state is partly because people like you, who accept any excuses from Portalarium and keep waiting and waiting without complaining while pouring money into it.
With people like you Portalarium doesn't really have to try hard, and the results can be seen in the actual game.

A second ally as in "someone that isn't closed mind". I'm not playing any kids game here dude. My arguments would resonate if you guys would be more open minded and more knowledgeable about the game. The game isn't just in a "potential" state, it really is fun to play you don't know this cuz you haven been able yet to archive a level where you can enjoy it. 5 Years, man the game could take 10 years to develop as far as I'm concern as long as it delivers. That's the problem with young people they want everything and they want it FAST. If you were playing the game and was able to appreciate the work already done you would be able to see that this extremely fast potential will be so easy to implement, just because the fundamentals are strongly built and interlocked very well together. And by the way, I'm not waiting for anything from Portalarium, as I previously said, I missed the final wipe a year ago, and started playing it like 2 months ago, but with my UO experience, know that I would need some help to start from the beginning. Already when I played the game when it was "literraly" unplayable, I've met real good people. So I just went and found a guild, from there I was able to get knowledge on how to play the game, then have the priviledge to discovers all these deep mechanics and enjoy the game. Sure some things could be modified, but overall this game, for an old schooll UO player like me IS what I waited for for a spiritual successor or UO.

Perhaps you and other knowledgeable players could form the equivalent of "EVE Academy" which is a player run corporation entirely dedicated to introducing and educating new joiners to EVE.

Might go a long way to retaining players if they can more easily find the information they need.

Finally, a valid and cleaver point!!! This is a great idea man. In fact I was speaking to my guys in the game yesterday and started to tell ya that backing up the game would be enough maybe to make the game live and we might have to start jumping into forum to defend the game. But your idea is even better. This game is really complex "at the beginning" but once you know it works it's great man. Check one of my last posts about combat system. Someone already did what you're mentionning on few topics. I/ve posted 2 videos from this payer about combat but you'll find the extra ones on different aspect of the game within her youtube channel.

Aron_Swordmaster · July 2017

Scorchien said:

But some of the posts here .. the anger bordering on hate , are out of line , People need to find a better way to spend your time and energy , its not worth it , Those who need to know have got the message and get it , you dont like there game ... Dam , man , find something fun to do , i never get that degree of vitriol towards a game or Dev ....

Im gonna go test SOTA a bit more ....................peace

And the hatred directed against those criticising the game...?

Come on, you can do this. Basic decency, the avoidance of hypocrisy, it's not exactly hard. You supposedly played the original Ultimas so you KNOW the lessons those games taught; how have you apparently forgetten them now?

Of course, if the vermin in your community hadn't spent months abusing me on Steam with Portalariam's suppor t, and Portalarium only got around to banning one of them when he put up a critical review of the game...

... and another sociopath hadn't tried hacking my email address, and the social media accounts of others and then attempted to break their friendships, (at the very least, he knows what my email address is because he goes on a wave of attempts moments after that post went up finally revealing I'd noticed him trying... also documented in the above thread). Jammaplaya also had been harassing rune_74 on a sock puppet account on Reddit for well over a year before this. He's visible here, openly declaring how he uses multiple accounts and he's trying to hurt me now...

... and if so many of the community users weren't pathological liars, hate filled obsessives, as well as declaring openly that they're mentally ill and use Shroud as the only good thing in their life, and try and get you endlessly banned anywhere you dare say even a negative word against the game...

... WELL MAYBE WE WOULDN'T TAKE WARNING PEOPLE AWAY FROM YOUR SHIT FILLED COMMUNITY SO SERIOUSLY. BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T BE SO SHIT IF YOU DIDN'T KEEP PUTTING WANTING TO PLAY THE GAME BEFORE BASIC HUMAN DECENCY, WOULD IT?

Indeed as one of my links points out, I had actually walked away from the game before; but noticed the moderators (WTFDragon) openly discussing banning people because they didn't like other forums they were registered at, and then noticing that users were outright scamming people on the Steam forums; so I took my moral duties to my fellow man seriously and started saying again "hey, that's not true, if you buy X you won't get Y..."

That was probably where I first ran into Jammaplaya, on an account called SotA_Guy... and then Dark_Knight who declared us all his "enemies" and organised abuse from others... and down this shit filled rabbit hole since.

Clean up your own community before having the nerve to lecture us on the company we keep.

blorpykins · July 2017

klash2001 said:

RMT as it is in SotA totally directs the game to a mature audience, US, old UO players. I've explained this in a previous post.

Sometimes I wonder if old UO gamers have ever played anything else... ever. RMT is in plenty of games, so much so that gold farming has become a real international money laundering problem, but that's not what's being talked about here. It's the fact that all the game is, is RMT and grinding... that's it. The choice/consequence mechanics in the quests are terrible. The choice/consequence mechanics in PVP are terrible. Combat is terrible. The economy is a joke... there are three seperate online game modes all sharing a single economy that is controlled by RMT and it's RMT sales that the devs watch to balance loot drops and prices. The game is buying and selling scam and all those old UO gamers as you call them are marks.

blorpykins · July 2017

klash2001 said:

Kyleran said:

Perhaps you and other knowledgeable players could form the equivalent of "EVE Academy" which is a player run corporation entirely dedicated to introducing and educating new joiners to EVE.

Might go a long way to retaining players if they can more easily find the information they need.

Finally, a valid and cleaver point!!! This is a great idea man. In fact I was speaking to my guys in the game yesterday and started to tell ya that backing up the game would be enough maybe to make the game live and we might have to start jumping into forum to defend the game. But your idea is even better. This game is really complex "at the beginning" but once you know it works it's great man. Check one of my last posts about combat system. Someone already did what you're mentionning on few topics. I/ve posted 2 videos from this payer about combat but you'll find the extra ones on different aspect of the game within her youtube channel.

Uhm, there's already an official organization in the game that does this - they're called Hospitallers.... no, no, no... not the Hospitallers from the crusades that slaughtered all those Muslims and enjoyed high praise from the catholic church. It's only a coincidence that they share the same colors and symbols. XD

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