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Aron_Swordmaster · July 2017

klash2001 said:

Since the last new release, loading times have dropped by 25%.

Whilst it's already entirely obvious you're a dishonest shill who can't argue decently or intelligently... I mean, no one sane would look at a comment from the devs that loading times are still bad AFTER Release 43, which shows any reduction still isn't good enough, and then try and justify the last Release as good...

... but just to show how terrible your arguments are...

25% off let's say a 10 minute loading time would be...?

Isn't there something rather more useful you could have said? A bit of missing information maybe? Something which wasn't so blatantly cherry picked to try and look positive, whilst at the same time, being blatantly foolish a claim to make to anyone with even the slightest brains?

Just for everyone else to see, YET AGAIN, how rotten the supposed fans of Shroud are.

Aron_Swordmaster · July 2017

blorpykins said:

klash2001 said:

RMT as it is in SotA totally directs the game to a mature audience, US, old UO players. I've explained this in a previous post.

Sometimes I wonder if old UO gamers have ever played anything else... ever. RMT is in plenty of games, so much so that gold farming has become a real international money laundering problem, but that's not what's being talked about here. It's the fact that all the game is, is RMT and grinding... that's it. The choice/consequence mechanics in the quests are terrible. The choice/consequence mechanics in PVP are terrible. Combat is terrible. The economy is a joke... there are three seperate online game modes all sharing a single economy that is controlled by RMT and it's RMT sales that the devs watch to balance loot drops and prices. The game is buying and selling scam and all those old UO gamers as you call them are marks.

They've certainly never experienced anything in their lives which was as good as being able to make miners cry like an anime fan on prom night. 20 years later, and they still can't get over being l33td3wdz in a computer game, so they constantly hype anything they hope will make them feel that way again, completely lie about how the actual history of gaming went in the meantime, and constantly try to hate and hurt people who criticise either... because even if the game doesn't turn out like the only time they were happy in their shrivelled hearts, they can still use it to troll and hate all over again.

Much of the viciousness around Shroud is because they know many of the critics are the people they couldn't touch in Trammel, and this is one way they think they're getting their revenge.

postlarval · July 2017

Aron_Swordmaster said:

klash2001 said:

Since the last new release, loading times have dropped by 25%.
Just for everyone else to see, YET AGAIN, how rotten the supposed fans of Shroud are.

It used to be that we had to put some effort into criticizing this game. Now all you have to do is make a negative comment and sit back and watch the SotA posse come charging in, destroying themselves.

Aeander · July 2017

klash2001 said:

blorpykins said:

klash2001 said:

ste2000 said:

klash2001 said:

Finally a second ally!:)

This isn't Alliance vs Horde, do grow up.
If your arguments are strong enough you don't need anyone else to back it up.
Plus the second "Ally" is not exactly singing the praises of the game.

He just said that the in-game community is nice, which I agree with, and the game has potential, but as I explained to you in another of my post, most of us have problem accepting that a game that is 5 years in development and spent $18 Millions so far, is still stuck in the "Potential" stage.
That's what most of us have a problem with.
By now the game should have more to it than just having "Potential".
Add to this that it doesn't look like the Developers are doing anything to convert this "Potential" into something real, as they seem more than happy with the work done so far.
And that's really worrying, because Portalarium still don't get what they need to do to make this game playable, let alone enjoyable.

The reason why the game is in this state is partly because people like you, who accept any excuses from Portalarium and keep waiting and waiting without complaining while pouring money into it.
With people like you Portalarium doesn't really have to try hard, and the results can be seen in the actual game.

A second ally as in "someone that isn't closed mind". I'm not playing any kids game here dude. My arguments would resonate if you guys would be more open minded and more knowledgeable about the game. The game isn't just in a "potential" state, it really is fun to play you don't know this cuz you haven been able yet to archive a level where you can enjoy it. 5 Years, man the game could take 10 years to develop as far as I'm concern as long as it delivers. That's the problem with young people they want everything and they want it FAST. If you were playing the game and was able to appreciate the work already done you would be able to see that this extremely fast potential will be so easy to implement, just because the fundamentals are strongly built and interlocked very well together. And by the way, I'm not waiting for anything from Portalarium, as I previously said, I missed the final wipe a year ago, and started playing it like 2 months ago, but with my UO experience, know that I would need some help to start from the beginning. Already when I played the game when it was "literraly" unplayable, I've met real good people. So I just went and found a guild, from there I was able to get knowledge on how to play the game, then have the priviledge to discovers all these deep mechanics and enjoy the game. Sure some things could be modified, but overall this game, for an old schooll UO player like me IS what I waited for for a spiritual successor or UO.

To be fair, you can meet real good people in Prison, in ISIS, in North Korea, in church, everywhere on the internet, etc.... I think you can see where I'm going here.

The game is months away from "official launch" but has really been launched since final wipe a year ago. The grade has been passed, the game is lacking and the devs have failed to deliver on Kickstarter promises... they feed the whales whatever they want because that's the business model... RMT and keep the whales happy. For the couple dozen people that like the game as is, that's great for them - but it's not a game really... it's a grind with RMT. The game as it were... fails miserably and for anyone holding out there will be a moment when the smoke lifts and you all realize what's been going on.

Also, nice jab at 99.9999999% of gamers these days, problem with young people indeed. The problem is that the developers failed to identify a proper demographic and just gave everything to the RMT whales.

RMT as it is in SotA totally directs the game to a mature audience, US, old UO players. I've explained this in a previous post.

Except that I've already debunked that. Anyone with a single brain cell in their otherwise empty skulls could debunk that.

It isn't a system for adults. Adults have jobs and bills to pay. They don't have money to spend on RMT schemes on virtual houses, let alone in a shit game with a low playerbase.

It also isn't a wealthy crowd because the profit to be gained from SotA RMT is insignificant compared to what could much more easily be made on the stock market.

No, this is a system for the gullible. The man-children who never grew up, don't understand the value of money, or, even worse, I suspect, have stolen the credit card information of others and are using SotA to launder money.

postlarval · July 2017

Aeander said:

klash2001 said:

blorpykins said:

klash2001 said:

ste2000 said:

klash2001 said:

Finally a second ally!:)

This isn't Alliance vs Horde, do grow up.
If your arguments are strong enough you don't need anyone else to back it up.
Plus the second "Ally" is not exactly singing the praises of the game.

He just said that the in-game community is nice, which I agree with, and the game has potential, but as I explained to you in another of my post, most of us have problem accepting that a game that is 5 years in development and spent $18 Millions so far, is still stuck in the "Potential" stage.
That's what most of us have a problem with.
By now the game should have more to it than just having "Potential".
Add to this that it doesn't look like the Developers are doing anything to convert this "Potential" into something real, as they seem more than happy with the work done so far.
And that's really worrying, because Portalarium still don't get what they need to do to make this game playable, let alone enjoyable.

The reason why the game is in this state is partly because people like you, who accept any excuses from Portalarium and keep waiting and waiting without complaining while pouring money into it.
With people like you Portalarium doesn't really have to try hard, and the results can be seen in the actual game.

A second ally as in "someone that isn't closed mind". I'm not playing any kids game here dude. My arguments would resonate if you guys would be more open minded and more knowledgeable about the game. The game isn't just in a "potential" state, it really is fun to play you don't know this cuz you haven been able yet to archive a level where you can enjoy it. 5 Years, man the game could take 10 years to develop as far as I'm concern as long as it delivers. That's the problem with young people they want everything and they want it FAST. If you were playing the game and was able to appreciate the work already done you would be able to see that this extremely fast potential will be so easy to implement, just because the fundamentals are strongly built and interlocked very well together. And by the way, I'm not waiting for anything from Portalarium, as I previously said, I missed the final wipe a year ago, and started playing it like 2 months ago, but with my UO experience, know that I would need some help to start from the beginning. Already when I played the game when it was "literraly" unplayable, I've met real good people. So I just went and found a guild, from there I was able to get knowledge on how to play the game, then have the priviledge to discovers all these deep mechanics and enjoy the game. Sure some things could be modified, but overall this game, for an old schooll UO player like me IS what I waited for for a spiritual successor or UO.

To be fair, you can meet real good people in Prison, in ISIS, in North Korea, in church, everywhere on the internet, etc.... I think you can see where I'm going here.

The game is months away from "official launch" but has really been launched since final wipe a year ago. The grade has been passed, the game is lacking and the devs have failed to deliver on Kickstarter promises... they feed the whales whatever they want because that's the business model... RMT and keep the whales happy. For the couple dozen people that like the game as is, that's great for them - but it's not a game really... it's a grind with RMT. The game as it were... fails miserably and for anyone holding out there will be a moment when the smoke lifts and you all realize what's been going on.

Also, nice jab at 99.9999999% of gamers these days, problem with young people indeed. The problem is that the developers failed to identify a proper demographic and just gave everything to the RMT whales.

RMT as it is in SotA totally directs the game to a mature audience, US, old UO players. I've explained this in a previous post.

Except that I've already debunked that. Anyone with a single brain cell in their otherwise empty skulls could debunk that.

It isn't a system for adults. Adults have jobs and bills to pay. They don't have money to spend on RMT schemes on virtual houses, let alone in a shit game with a low playerbase.

It also isn't a wealthy crowd because the profit to be gained from SotA RMT is insignificant compared to what could much more easily be made on the stock market.

No, this is a system for the gullible. The man-children who never grew up, don't understand the value of money, or, even worse, I suspect, have stolen the credit card information of others and are using SotA to launder money.

Yep.

Just about every week there is a sad-sack post by someone that starts with, "Due to real life circumstances...". It's hard to tell if it's real or they're using it as an excuse to bail out gracefully.

Never invest more than you can afford to lose. That's what adults do.

Man-children lick the boots of their hero, throw money at him regardless of what he offers, and sit back -pretending it's all unicorns and rainbows.

Royou · July 2017

Kyleran said:

Royou said:

Nilden said:

Royou said:

Wow am shocked, really thought that those that have been so vocale would give a good discussion and would come back with good sound evidence to back up all the shouting that they are doing....... Nada nothing all they do is edit their posts in the hope of keeping some face, but they forget that they unedited version are already quoted. Which proves one thing to me, all those that are shouting must be banned SOTA players that must have trolled the crap out of the SOTA forums, so came to vent their rage here, and that is very sad

Did you miss the links to the steam sales and numbers or are you just going to dismiss the largest digital PC sales platform on the internet?

I looked but is only a small fraction of the player base, so fail to see what impact steam has on the whole picture, to base any relevance to those figures is just lunacy, you can not look through a keyhole and then claim that you have seen the whole house, and those that are doing so, look and are very foolish as far as I am concerned.

The "largest digital PC sales platform on the internet?" ROFLMAO and what are you basing that on?

Well, there is this recent article.

https://www.lifewire.com/top-pc-game-digital-download-services-813065

Steam is clearly at the top of the author's list.

I will concede that in all the searches that I have done, it does come top, it's not my top choice, as I prefer Origin, GOG and Green man Gaming.

Royou · July 2017

blorpykins said:

Royou said:

blorpykins said:

Actually, the fanbois are the group that needs allies to validate their argument, because a great majority of players be they veteran or newbs are quitting and have been quitting for years now... faster than ranks can be replenished even with FREE trials. Game sucks and people are tired of the lying and scheming from the devs. Not to mention all the insults and censorship in their official forums.

People keep trying to over simplify the argument or reduce it to a basic "like" versus "dislike" dialog when the facts remain unchanged. Portalarium has failed to deliver on Kickstarter promises and have even come out and said they were crammed in and very poorly thought out.

Chris Spears said this about Kickstarter promises:

"The stuff people are complaining isn't done apparently is all stretch goals that were honestly very poorly thought out and many crammed in by a couple of people who left the company immediately after KS completed."

As for the sauce... it appears as though the dev Chris Spears deleted his comment from Reddit but there are still traces of it in quotes and in wayback... how's that for above board.

Where is your evidence of players quitting? or is this just your opinion!

Bwahahaha, are you new here? Evidence of players quitting... hmmmm, check anywhere? lol. Reddit, Steam, and the official forums are always chock full of confused players and angry veterans just giving up... Check out YouTube for video reviews where players just give up and quit during their streams and of course the threads about folks quitting on the official forums, there are some gfreat ones of players finding the cash shop and just laughing with a solid "nope" of a final grade.

After reading their Steam reviews and posts on Reddit, check out the comments on their SeedInvest page and don't forget to review their presence on the BBB and basically everywhere they're mentioned on the Internet (any and every news article ever published on the game).

You imply that it is in droves, yet show no evidence to support this, I'm fully aware of all the rants, but would say that it in no way indicates or shows it's in the magnitude that you portray!

Royou · July 2017

ste2000 said:

Royou said:

ste2000 said:

Wow you really are trying your hardest to confuse this thread, that or you just don't get that by replying to my post in a direct manner indicates that you were in fact replying to me, and not as you claim to @Klash2001.

Or maybe you just need to learn how to read, there is also this possibility.

I can't read MAHAHAHAHA ya ok, you have gone from confusing to the fool on the hill in my eyes now!

Royou · July 2017

blorpykins said:

To be fair, you can meet real good people in Prison, in ISIS, in North Korea, in church, everywhere on the internet, etc.... I think you can see where I'm going here.

Wow you have sunk to the lowest level with that comment, I now see that all you do is spew crap.

blorpykins · July 2017

Royou said:

You imply that it is in droves, yet show no evidence to support this, I'm fully aware of all the rants, but would say that it in no way indicates or shows it's in the magnitude that you portray!

The proof is in the pudding, or so the saying goes... just log into the game in multiplayer... if being alone isn't proof enough exit to the overworld map where there might be three other players (all AFK). And if that's still not proof enough, ask the devs how many unique players log in per month... SPOILER ALERT: you will NOT receive an answer. To get a picture of just how many players log into the game, the game that's been live for a year now... you have to search through online resources where you'll find that maybe there are a couple hundred accounts active (accounts, not to be confused with unique players).

And if that's still not enough to quiet your curiosity, check all the sites I referenced earlier and read the rants and rage quit posts and posts from confused newbs that quit because the game sucks... etc, etc, etc... anyway, the problem with your position here is you believe we're all just SJWs on a mission... that's not the case. For the most part, we're all early adopters of the game and KS backers and have been here since the very beginning. The truth is obvious if you're willing to open your eyes and see it. Unhappy players quit games that suck, and in the case of SotA... well, the proof is in the pudding.

Royou · July 2017

Kyleran said:

Perhaps you and other knowledgeable players could form the equivalent of "EVE Academy" which is a player run corporation entirely dedicated to introducing and educating new joiners to EVE.

Might go a long way to retaining players if they can more easily find the information they need.

They have this and it was formed a long time ago and called the Hospitallers.

https://www.shroudoftheavatar.com/forum/index.php?threads/hospitallers-sotahelp-org-players-helping-players.48819/

When was the last time you played? for that matter when was the last time most of you played? can anything of what I have read on here be taken as current? I doubt it.

Forgrimm · July 2017

Royou said:

Kyleran said:

Perhaps you and other knowledgeable players could form the equivalent of "EVE Academy" which is a player run corporation entirely dedicated to introducing and educating new joiners to EVE.

Might go a long way to retaining players if they can more easily find the information they need.

They have this and it was formed a long time ago and called the Hospitallers.

https://www.shroudoftheavatar.com/forum/index.php?threads/hospitallers-sotahelp-org-players-helping-players.48819/

When was the last time you played? for that matter when was the last time most of you played? can anything of what I have read on here be taken as current? I doubt it.

I tried it a few months ago during one of the free trial weekends. The people I came across in the game were friendly, I even had people hook me up with some free basic starter gear. The game just felt way too dated for my tastes.

klash2001 · July 2017

Aron_Swordmaster said:

Royou said:

This only person that I can see and whom keeps brandishing the Childish brush..... is you, that is alway done by someone that can't backup their argument!

Sad, just so very, very sad.

Yet another member of the Shroud community (or is it the same one yet again? They find it so hard to keep their sleeper accounts and supposed main identities separate) who seems to think that as soon as they write something, it's instantly forgotten by everyone else as easily as they forget how they just behaved.

I don't need to re-cap the pathetic abuse, the hypocrisy, the childish shouting and LOLOLITROLLJOO behaviour you can all read above. Remember, this is supposed to be the mature community Shroud has.

And bear in mind that these two (one?) posters are the ones you're likely to run into because the community is so, so small. That and the guy who threatens people's children and brags on reddit about trying to harm people. And the lady who has rage attacks because your lighthouse is near her home, or someone suggests they'd play Shroud more if there was an RMT free server. And then there's the guy who...

But let's talk about that actual size, shall we? You see, if you assume everyone else is as dysfunctional and plain stupid as the above two posters, you think just shouting "where is ur factz?!" is a good argument, because you don't understand facts, and assume no one else can, and thus facts don't actually exist.

They do though.

We've got all the facts Portalarium dared share with us. They had to release at least the positive claims in their SeedInvest. Many of us have been pointing them out time and time again, whilst literal idiots claim it's not possible to know how many of the users have quit or are on Steam.

We know the total number of accounts: They're claiming 65,000 "testers"
We know the total number of Pledges sold by July 2016: 62.375. So in the last year, they've only sold 2,000 to 3,000 new accounts at maximum. And that's after multiple Free Trials.
We know then the percentage of people who are playing via Steam; because the game won't be tracked unless it's been shown as active on your account; at approximately 35,000, it's well over half of all accounts still
We know that if you double all the Steam Peak figures, only 400-500 people are playing at any one time. They admitted this themselves on the AMA. And that's the "I Lie About Figures All The Time" Chris Spears talking. Remember when he got caught lying about Steam review statistics, and then it turned out at least 2 of the reviews he lied about were themselves from Portalarium's own staff?
We know too that Chris Spears admits only 200 out of 1,100 free users can even last more than 2 hours, and many won't even go beyond the tutorial.
We know too then by all of the above that at 3,000 individuals who start the game over 2 weeks on Steam, doubled, that out of 65,000 sales, only in 1 in 10.8 actually still play.
We know then that the game just isn't liked even by people who get it for free, never mind the huge majority who have already paid for it and simply walked away.

But look what happens if you try and point out the game is terrible; you get sociopaths, liars, charlatans and obsessive cultists who go on abusive tirades where they have to seek "allies" (or just use sockpuppets to claim to be them), who claim outright harassment might be justified by "dividing the community" (see Klash2001 defending that above) whilst others post abusive post after post, pretend they've never done it, and claim no one is allowed to know or think anything they don't agree with...

I was right, wasn't I? I kickstarted Shroud because I wanted the spiritual successor to Ultima, where decent, unselfish people acted virtuously in a game with more depth than the competition. Where Sacrifice and Honesty were the true Kings, not the cult of Lord British, who foolishly got himself trapped in the Underworld...

What we all got was some unholy mix of Objectivist "Greed is God" philosophy mixed with some sort of vicious Scientologist style cult. But with appalling path finding and NPCs that slide around on their backs mixed in too.

I'm right. You can see it now, can't you? Stay far, far away from Shroud and it's messed up community.

(I know one decent person who still plays, to be fair. Game's crap even so though).

All that long post with stats can be resumed with one sentence: "I don't like this, because (insert whatever you want it) even though I didn't experience it. And btw you such a liar, i
never claimed outright harassment might be justified. Plain lie.

ste2000 · July 2017

klash2001 said:

ste2000 said:

the word ally, I used it because of the language barrier, and you know it. You supposendly said that you didn't care about the language barrier but hey you're using it to make points that are false and dishonest....

No dude, don't even try.
It's not about the word "Ally" i got what you were trying to say, if you said "someone that agree with me" instead, I would have said the same thing.
Counting how many people agree with you to win an argument it's childish, you need to convince people with your reasons, not by pointing out how many people agree with you.
Unfortunately your reasons are the same tired excuses you keep repeating over and over again.

ste2000 · July 2017

klash2001 said:

Aron_Swordmaster said:
purchase.

Since the last new release, loading times have dropped by 25%.

I played it yesterday and loading times take bloody ages, stop taking numbers out of your ass.

klash2001 · July 2017

blorpykins said:

klash2001 said:

RMT as it is in SotA totally directs the game to a mature audience, US, old UO players. I've explained this in a previous post.

Sometimes I wonder if old UO gamers have ever played anything else... ever. RMT is in plenty of games, so much so that gold farming has become a real international money laundering problem, but that's not what's being talked about here. It's the fact that all the game is, is RMT and grinding... that's it. The choice/consequence mechanics in the quests are terrible. The choice/consequence mechanics in PVP are terrible. Combat is terrible. The economy is a joke... there are three seperate online game modes all sharing a single economy that is controlled by RMT and it's RMT sales that the devs watch to balance loot drops and prices. The game is buying and selling scam and all those old UO gamers as you call them are marks.

You're true I haven't reallly play another other mmos other than UO, nothing came close to waht I was looking for. About your appreciation of the choices/mechanism are all wrong dude, you're lacking knowledge about the game, sorry to bring that to you, but you really do. Anyone saying the combat system sucks proves immediatlely that he doesn't know shit about the game in it's current state. Apart from that I totally agree with the fact that separate online modes should be removed, but hey even though I wouldn't mind at all having only UO community within SotA, they want to bring the highest number of players they can, gotta understand that also.
You also need to know that in-game gold with drop value with time, it's just logical, but they are COTO's within a sub money that backs it up and can control its value, just as the gold standing used to do back in the 70s (I believe?)....As I said man, you lack knowledge.

klash2001 · July 2017

Aron_Swordmaster said:

Kyleran said:

Perhaps you and other knowledgeable players could form the equivalent of "EVE Academy" which is a player run corporation entirely dedicated to introducing and educating new joiners to EVE.

Might go a long way to retaining players if they can more easily find the information they need.

Knowledgeable? I hope that was subtle sarcasm...? Do you see how supposedly impressed he is with this exciting, new, wonderful idea you gave him?

Strange really, because that exact Guild was already created over a year ago. Funny how I, a critic who hasn't played in a few months knows more than him about the game, isn't it? I also know they're able to set an in game title to show they're a newbie helper. How odd he's never seen anyone with that.

The only knowledge he actually has is he thinks he can use fake excitement to try and make out we're all big meanie poopy heads... Problem is, most of us genuinely are smarter than he is, even about Shroud.

I'm not following "new" and "stats" and shit like this...so yeah I may be know less about the game's stats, but I assure you that I know well better than you how the game works and plays. It's like saying yeah I know hockey because I know all the players, the teams and the stats, but never played in a hockey team, if we were arguing in my natal language I would make you pass for a teenager. And it's pretty obvious that you have been bullied so much and it affected you to a point of no return. No matter what we say, you'll always stand by your ideas. You are yet, another one for which there's no hope and therefore my energy debating and translating my thoughts aren't destined to guys like you, but rather to that dude who proposed to create something to spread our knowledge of the game.

Rawyn · July 2017

Royou said:

Talonsin said:

klash2001 said:

I use words like "Potentials" cause it really has a lot, if you don't see it it's because you haven't played it enough or didn't have the chance to run into someone that could show it to you. "Needs polilsh" and "Not launched" cuz these are facts.

Can you honestly name a game that does NOT have "potential"?

You also say the game is "not launched" but what does that really mean? Isnt that just a word since they are not wiping the server anymore and the cash shop is open? Honestly, the word play used by todays game industry is getting completely ridiculous. If your game is for sale on steam, there are no wipes and the cash shop is open, how is it not launched? Will more content be added in the future, if that is how you define "launched" then World of Warcraft is not launched yet since they are always adding new content.

You talk about facts, let me give you a real fact. Over 40,000 people purchased this game from steam and yet yesterday, which was Sunday and a peak play day for video games, only saw a bit over 200 players in the game at its peak, that is less than one percent. Is that really the mark of a quality game?

Source: https://steamspy.com/app/326160

really you're basing your facts on steam......... roflmao not used steam to login..... must be well over a year, not many that I know still use steam to login. Go get some real evidence and then maybe I'll listen to you!

Heres some evidence of how many people actually play this game From Chris on their AMA so facts from one of the devs. Unless they did their usual and deleted stuff again like the do on thier forums to hide stuff what he said should still be there still.

Humbert____Humbert

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6d

How many players has the game averaged over the last month?

10

SotA_Atos

SotA Developer

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6d

We have been averaging around 500 concurrency with upticks in the evenings and weekends and also in the new release weeks.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SotA_Official/comments/6iek5l/im_richard_garriott_aka_lord_british_creator_of/

klash2001 · July 2017

Aron_Swordmaster said:

klash2001 said:

Since the last new release, loading times have dropped by 25%.

Whilst it's already entirely obvious you're a dishonest shill who can't argue decently or intelligently... I mean, no one sane would look at a comment from the devs that loading times are still bad AFTER Release 43, which shows any reduction still isn't good enough, and then try and justify the last Release as good...

... but just to show how terrible your arguments are...

25% off let's say a 10 minute loading time would be...?

Isn't there something rather more useful you could have said? A bit of missing information maybe? Something which wasn't so blatantly cherry picked to try and look positive, whilst at the same time, being blatantly foolish a claim to make to anyone with even the slightest brains?

Just for everyone else to see, YET AGAIN, how rotten the supposed fans of Shroud are.

10 minutes loading time? where the hell are you living man....with a 60mbps connection with a crappy computer, i get about 1 min loading average per zone. AND AS I PREVIOUSLY SAID IN A PREVIOUS POST, if you're not a noob unorganized, like most ppl (and they aren't to blame for that) you WON't have a loading screen every 5 minutes, you just DON'T (apart from specific situation with 2-3 screen back to back). You lack knowledge or are being dishonest.

ste2000 · July 2017

Royou said:

ste2000 said:

I can't read MAHAHAHAHA ya ok, you have gone from confusing to the fool on the hill in my eyes now!

Not only you can't read, you can't even write, in fact you can't even debate.
Are you the best forum warrior they have at Shroudoftheavatar.com?
Because you are piss poor, call the back up dude.
You are just spamming the forum with poor one liners and repeating the same non sense over and over.

And those fake laughs don't make you look too smart, at this point you might as well just fart, nobody would notice the difference.

Royou · July 2017

Aron_Swordmaster said:

Royou said:

This only person that I can see and whom keeps brandishing the Childish brush..... is you, that is alway done by someone that can't backup their argument!

Sad, just so very, very sad.

Yet another member of the Shroud community (or is it the same one yet again? They find it so hard to keep their sleeper accounts and supposed main identities separate) who seems to think that as soon as they write something, it's instantly forgotten by everyone else as easily as they forget how they just behaved.

I don't need to re-cap the pathetic abuse, the hypocrisy, the childish shouting and LOLOLITROLLJOO behaviour you can all read above. Remember, this is supposed to be the mature community Shroud has.

And bear in mind that these two (one?) posters are the ones you're likely to run into because the community is so, so small. That and the guy who threatens people's children and brags on reddit about trying to harm people. And the lady who has rage attacks because your lighthouse is near her home, or someone suggests they'd play Shroud more if there was an RMT free server. And then there's the guy who...

But let's talk about that actual size, shall we? You see, if you assume everyone else is as dysfunctional and plain stupid as the above two posters, you think just shouting "where is ur factz?!" is a good argument, because you don't understand facts, and assume no one else can, and thus facts don't actually exist.

They do though.

We've got all the facts Portalarium dared share with us. They had to release at least the positive claims in their SeedInvest. Many of us have been pointing them out time and time again, whilst literal idiots claim it's not possible to know how many of the users have quit or are on Steam.

We know the total number of accounts: They're claiming 65,000 "testers"
We know the total number of Pledges sold by July 2016: 62.375. So in the last year, they've only sold 2,000 to 3,000 new accounts at maximum. And that's after multiple Free Trials.
We know then the percentage of people who are playing via Steam; because the game won't be tracked unless it's been shown as active on your account; at approximately 35,000, it's well over half of all accounts still
We know that if you double all the Steam Peak figures, only 400-500 people are playing at any one time. They admitted this themselves on the AMA. And that's the "I Lie About Figures All The Time" Chris Spears talking. Remember when he got caught lying about Steam review statistics, and then it turned out at least 2 of the reviews he lied about were themselves from Portalarium's own staff?
We know too that Chris Spears admits only 200 out of 1,100 free users can even last more than 2 hours, and many won't even go beyond the tutorial.
We know too then by all of the above that at 3,000 individuals who start the game over 2 weeks on Steam, doubled, that out of 65,000 sales, only in 1 in 10.8 actually still play.
We know then that the game just isn't liked even by people who get it for free, never mind the huge majority who have already paid for it and simply walked away.

But look what happens if you try and point out the game is terrible; you get sociopaths, liars, charlatans and obsessive cultists who go on abusive tirades where they have to seek "allies" (or just use sockpuppets to claim to be them), who claim outright harassment might be justified by "dividing the community" (see Klash2001 defending that above) whilst others post abusive post after post, pretend they've never done it, and claim no one is allowed to know or think anything they don't agree with...

I was right, wasn't I? I kickstarted Shroud because I wanted the spiritual successor to Ultima, where decent, unselfish people acted virtuously in a game with more depth than the competition. Where Sacrifice and Honesty were the true Kings, not the cult of Lord British, who foolishly got himself trapped in the Underworld...

What we all got was some unholy mix of Objectivist "Greed is God" philosophy mixed with some sort of vicious Scientologist style cult. But with appalling path finding and NPCs that slide around on their backs mixed in too.

I'm right. You can see it now, can't you? Stay far, far away from Shroud and it's messed up community.

(I know one decent person who still plays, to be fair. Game's crap even so though).

I am hiding nothing, I am here as I am there, I don't have to hide.

Well that was a pile of steaming crap and a waste of my time to read. You claim to be holier than thou, a virtuous honorable person, yet your post says and show contrary to that, so what makes it ok for you to make personal insults? all I see is you making personal insult after personal insult. Well I'm glad that you have quite playing SOTA as the game and community just got so much better without you in it.

Nilden · July 2017

Royou said:

Kyleran said:

Royou said:

Nilden said:

Royou said:

Wow am shocked, really thought that those that have been so vocale would give a good discussion and would come back with good sound evidence to back up all the shouting that they are doing....... Nada nothing all they do is edit their posts in the hope of keeping some face, but they forget that they unedited version are already quoted. Which proves one thing to me, all those that are shouting must be banned SOTA players that must have trolled the crap out of the SOTA forums, so came to vent their rage here, and that is very sad

Did you miss the links to the steam sales and numbers or are you just going to dismiss the largest digital PC sales platform on the internet?

I looked but is only a small fraction of the player base, so fail to see what impact steam has on the whole picture, to base any relevance to those figures is just lunacy, you can not look through a keyhole and then claim that you have seen the whole house, and those that are doing so, look and are very foolish as far as I am concerned.

The "largest digital PC sales platform on the internet?" ROFLMAO and what are you basing that on?

Well, there is this recent article.

https://www.lifewire.com/top-pc-game-digital-download-services-813065

Steam is clearly at the top of the author's list.

But I will concede that in all the searches that I have done, it does come top, it's not my top choice, as I prefer Origin, GOG and Green man Gaming.

I based it on reality. Steam has an estimated 75% of the market place.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_(software)

klash2001 · July 2017

Aeander said:

klash2001 said:

blorpykins said:

klash2001 said:

ste2000 said:

klash2001 said:

Finally a second ally!:)

This isn't Alliance vs Horde, do grow up.
If your arguments are strong enough you don't need anyone else to back it up.
Plus the second "Ally" is not exactly singing the praises of the game.

He just said that the in-game community is nice, which I agree with, and the game has potential, but as I explained to you in another of my post, most of us have problem accepting that a game that is 5 years in development and spent $18 Millions so far, is still stuck in the "Potential" stage.
That's what most of us have a problem with.
By now the game should have more to it than just having "Potential".
Add to this that it doesn't look like the Developers are doing anything to convert this "Potential" into something real, as they seem more than happy with the work done so far.
And that's really worrying, because Portalarium still don't get what they need to do to make this game playable, let alone enjoyable.

The reason why the game is in this state is partly because people like you, who accept any excuses from Portalarium and keep waiting and waiting without complaining while pouring money into it.
With people like you Portalarium doesn't really have to try hard, and the results can be seen in the actual game.

A second ally as in "someone that isn't closed mind". I'm not playing any kids game here dude. My arguments would resonate if you guys would be more open minded and more knowledgeable about the game. The game isn't just in a "potential" state, it really is fun to play you don't know this cuz you haven been able yet to archive a level where you can enjoy it. 5 Years, man the game could take 10 years to develop as far as I'm concern as long as it delivers. That's the problem with young people they want everything and they want it FAST. If you were playing the game and was able to appreciate the work already done you would be able to see that this extremely fast potential will be so easy to implement, just because the fundamentals are strongly built and interlocked very well together. And by the way, I'm not waiting for anything from Portalarium, as I previously said, I missed the final wipe a year ago, and started playing it like 2 months ago, but with my UO experience, know that I would need some help to start from the beginning. Already when I played the game when it was "literraly" unplayable, I've met real good people. So I just went and found a guild, from there I was able to get knowledge on how to play the game, then have the priviledge to discovers all these deep mechanics and enjoy the game. Sure some things could be modified, but overall this game, for an old schooll UO player like me IS what I waited for for a spiritual successor or UO.

To be fair, you can meet real good people in Prison, in ISIS, in North Korea, in church, everywhere on the internet, etc.... I think you can see where I'm going here.

The game is months away from "official launch" but has really been launched since final wipe a year ago. The grade has been passed, the game is lacking and the devs have failed to deliver on Kickstarter promises... they feed the whales whatever they want because that's the business model... RMT and keep the whales happy. For the couple dozen people that like the game as is, that's great for them - but it's not a game really... it's a grind with RMT. The game as it were... fails miserably and for anyone holding out there will be a moment when the smoke lifts and you all realize what's been going on.

Also, nice jab at 99.9999999% of gamers these days, problem with young people indeed. The problem is that the developers failed to identify a proper demographic and just gave everything to the RMT whales.

RMT as it is in SotA totally directs the game to a mature audience, US, old UO players. I've explained this in a previous post.

Except that I've already debunked that. Anyone with a single brain cell in their otherwise empty skulls could debunk that.

It isn't a system for adults. Adults have jobs and bills to pay. They don't have money to spend on RMT schemes on virtual houses, let alone in a shit game with a low playerbase.

It also isn't a wealthy crowd because the profit to be gained from SotA RMT is insignificant compared to what could much more easily be made on the stock market.

No, this is a system for the gullible. The man-children who never grew up, don't understand the value of money, or, even worse, I suspect, have stolen the credit card information of others and are using SotA to launder money.

I must admit that I never put a dime in a game, except for monthly UO fees. I always been againts it, so yeah I do not know what RMT really is or I should say what this term refers to exactly. BUT if RMT is the closest term that can be used for what SotA is doing, then be it RMT and it's well done.

Let me also debunk your theory of RMT ( as I see it, AS IT IS in SotA) about adults. Adults have less time than teenagers, but also have more money. Of course they hardly own money shoulldn't go into scams, but it ain't a scam or not intended I believe, at worst will be a bad investment if the game dies. In which way an normal adult, which isn't unemployed with 4 children, who likes to play a good game, won't be attracked with the possibilty of making real money out of fun play time and therefore give more to his family....this is a win-win-win situation right there.

blorpykins · July 2017

klash2001 said:

blorpykins said:

Sometimes I wonder if old UO gamers have ever played anything else... ever. RMT is in plenty of games, so much so that gold farming has become a real international money laundering problem, but that's not what's being talked about here. It's the fact that all the game is, is RMT and grinding... that's it. The choice/consequence mechanics in the quests are terrible. The choice/consequence mechanics in PVP are terrible. Combat is terrible. The economy is a joke... there are three seperate online game modes all sharing a single economy that is controlled by RMT and it's RMT sales that the devs watch to balance loot drops and prices. The game is buying and selling scam and all those old UO gamers as you call them are marks.

You're true I haven't reallly play another other mmos other than UO, nothing came close to waht I was looking for. About your appreciation of the choices/mechanism are all wrong dude, you're lacking knowledge about the game, sorry to bring that to you, but you really do. Anyone saying the combat system sucks proves immediatlely that he doesn't know shit about the game in it's current state. Apart from that I totally agree with the fact that separate online modes should be removed, but hey even though I wouldn't mind at all having only UO community within SotA, they want to bring the highest number of players they can, gotta understand that also.
You also need to know that in-game gold with drop value with time, it's just logical, but they are COTO's within a sub money that backs it up and can control its value, just as the gold standing used to do back in the 70s (I believe?)....As I said man, you lack knowledge.

On combat, don't take my word for it that it sucks... just ask the guy that designed it (Chris Spears) - he agrees it sucks, he agrees in threads and in livestreams all the time and that's why even now just months away from "official release" there's major changes and major balance swings still happening... a year past final wipe now and he just doesn't know how to fix it or make it right. Combat will make or break a game... combat alone in SotA is a major fail point - and it's not the only fail point.

As for RMT, the gold standard back in the 70ies had a controlled buy/sell price set by the government. Hey, you're right that is just how it works in game! People grind gold and sell it for real money and buy stuff from the add-on store and sell that for gold in game and then sell the gold for real money again! OMG! You figured it out! <sarcasm>

The devs use the RMT prices to control drop rates... they've even gone so far as to say they'll make mining oar easier to do once people sell all the swords and shields that they have hoarded away... They've said they monitor trade prices and adjust drops to keep things at a target price. This is an artificial player market! Just check their Trusted Traded program... you can buy gold direct from a Portalarium authorized Trusted Trader and Business Partner.

Portalarium didn't just give you a completely artificial player market to manage RMT with, they officially sanctioned RMT and gold farming and use it to balance the entire economy and loot drops and even went so far as to contract with OFFICIAL BUSINESS PARTNERS to sell gold in game! Trusted Traders... read about it.

le sigh... The COTO was supposed to be a premium currency to be used to stave off hyper-inflation... it is not a premium currency in this regard. It is an alternate currency for RMT, in a completely controlled environment... where's the fun in that? Where's the integrity?

Rawyn · July 2017

This is all the evidence anyone needs to know Sota is in the crapper. Those defending it's numbers pretending there are some magical thousands of people playing should see from the devs on words. This game has been in the crapper since the game went persistent, only a few hundred people play it and defend it no matter what.

Humbert____Humbert
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How many players has the game averaged over the last month?
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SotA_Atos
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We have been averaging around 500 concurrency with upticks in the evenings and weekends and also in the new release weeks.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SotA_Official/comments/6iek5l/im_richard_garriott_aka_lord_british_creator_of/

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