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Dakeru · May 2018

kitarad said:

That policeman did nothing wrong with what facts he was given and told at that time.

You mean aside from deciding to pull the trigger from a position where he could not clearly see what was going on which lead to the death of an unarmed civilian?

Xingbairong · May 2018

Vrika said:

Xingbairong said:

I won't argue about right and wrong, but I'll say this. I'm a lot older than those 18, 19 year old kids and I do stupid shit that in hindsight I realize that it was really, really stupid.

Also I highly doubt they ever imagined that someone could possibly get hurt.

Nowadays nevermind 18,19 even 28, 29 is too young. People simply mature slower because of the environment in which we are being "raised" in these modern times.

For me for example the difference between a 15 year old and a 25 year old kid is almost negligible. True as a 25 year you might have "responsibilities", but in most cases their way of life doesn't differ as much as someone who is nearing his 40's.

Making headline news and giving a decade or two in jail to someone responsible is a great way to get people to realize.

One of the most important aspects of punishing criminals is that the knowledge of punishment will deter future criminals, and right now this case is likely very effectively preventing future swattings. Whether right or wrong, it's effective.

Though personally I think that maybe Gaskill should be excluded from the charges. Those charges should be aimed at the person who committed the swatting, and the person who requested swatting, not at Gaskill for talking trash on internet.

Well the sad thing is that these type of pranks are usually done by kids or people with a kid's mentality, so I doubt they pay attention to the news.
Few days ago I was talking to a friend in his 30's and when I asked him if he watched the news about what I was intending to mention he looked at me as if I had just said that I have gonorrhea.
Don't underestimate how uninformed and uninterested to be informed people are.

YashaX · May 2018

Axllow18 said:

For all of the people demanding the cop get punished I would suggest you actually look into the story. The officers were told that a man had killed his father and had his brother and mother pinned in an area of the house planning to kill them as well. On arrival the officers demanded the man come outside and when he did it was not immediately apparent he was unarmed. He complied with the officers who told him to raise his hands, but then he suddenly dropped his hands to his waist-line and the officer believed he was reaching for the gun he supposedly used to kill his father with.

The officer had every reason, with the information he had at that moment, to believe that he posed a real threat to the officers on the scene and those still in the house so he took the shot. In his line of work these scenarios very often end with cops and bystanders getting killed when an officer hesitates.

It's sad, it's unfortunate, and the family this poor guy left behind deserves justice for what happened but that is no excuse to punish an innocent man who did his job with the information he was given.

A good article to learn more about why the officer was not charged, including footage from the police position.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/wichita-officer-who-killed-andrew-finch-swatting-mistake-won-t-n865626

I do not understand why anyone is "agreeing" with or calling this "insightful". I watched the news in the link and there is no evidence there that the event panned out as the police claimed.

geburahsan · May 2018

USA is one of the few countries where police have such itchy trigger fingers. Even if the guy lowered his arm to his waist are you telling me he was some Billy the Kid to being able to get a weapon, aim and fire BEFORE SOMEONE ALREADY POINTING AT HIM FILL HIM WITH HOLES??. Also even if you gotta shoot you dont need to aim for vital points, from that distance even a rookie, could land shots on limbs neutralizing the threat.

Thing is: There are some policemen (not all but enough to make those cases) that have the policy "shoot first, ask questions later" because they want the safest way up to their retirement, which is enforced by the force (look how they look for their own and how rarely get punished for those cases) partially due to the huge weapon proliferation that tends to make cops paranoid on those situations

Forgrimm · May 2018

zenomex said:

kitarad said:

This is really great news. I am so glad they are finally going to put these shits in prison.

Yeah because u never did something dumb or cruel when u were a kid. Let's throw away a life for it.

He's not a kid, he's 25. He's also a repeat offender and deserves a lengthy sentence.

laserit · May 2018

I believe some significant jail time is totally appropriate here. A strong message needs to be conveyed.

As for the police officers actions... well that's a different subject/case and should have no bearing on the outcome for these three sorry ass dipshits.

Horusra · May 2018

geburahsan said:

USA is one of the few countries where police have such itchy trigger fingers. Even if the guy lowered his arm to his waist are you telling me he was some Billy the Kid to being able to get a weapon, aim and fire BEFORE SOMEONE ALREADY POINTING AT HIM FILL HIM WITH HOLES??. Also even if you gotta shoot you dont need to aim for vital points, from that distance even a rookie, could land shots on limbs neutralizing the threat.

Thing is: There are some policemen (not all but enough to make those cases) that have the policy "shoot first, ask questions later" because they want the safest way up to their retirement, which is enforced by the force (look how they look for their own and how rarely get punished for those cases) partially due to the huge weapon proliferation that tends to make cops paranoid on those situations

Good thing people like you do not get to decide to punish the police.

timeraider · May 2018

Dakeru said:

I don't like that the policeman who dealt the deadly shot against an unarmed civilian will not face any punishment.

WIll agree on that if the people calling recieve punishment, so should the cop. Either they both get off with no punishment or they both get punished (my option .. preferably as hard and long as possible). They are both equally guilty so if the callers get punished but the cop not.. thats a massive failure of the judgement system in my opinion

Horusra · May 2018

timeraider said:

Dakeru said:

I don't like that the policeman who dealt the deadly shot against an unarmed civilian will not face any punishment.

WIll agree on that if the people calling recieve punishment, so should the cop. Either they both get off with no punishment or they both get punished (my option .. preferably as hard and long as possible). They are both equally guilty so if the callers get punished but the cop not.. thats a massive failure of the judgement system in my opinion

Opinions are like assholes.

MadFrenchie · May 2018

Kyleran said:

kitarad said:

That policeman did nothing wrong with what facts he was given and told at that time.

I will agree If, and only If the person shot really did lower his hands to his waistline as is being reported.

Even so I do feel too often our police react to fear a bit too early, especially in situations such as this and more training is required.

I've taught my children to always listen very carefully to a policeman if ever in a "guns drawn" situation and do exactly what they tell them to do.

No talk back, no arguing, no movement outside of what is instructed.

A sad situation for everyone involved and they do need to make a very public example of the defendents.

The onus is on the police officer to control the situation, not the untrained civilian.

Police officers are trained in lethal force and crowd management. Civilians are not. Sorry, but I have to disagree with you Kyleran. You wouldn't expect your plumber to come to your house, break your pipes, then go "no fair, these pipes weren't acting like the other pipes I fixed today, this is your fault as much as it is mine!"

PhelimReagh · May 2018

Empathy, empathy, empathy. Whatever. You children needed to be taught a little bit about responsibility.

timeraider · May 2018

zenomex said:

Everyone above me has the empathy of a snail. Seriously, it's bad. Throwing a kid in jail for life is extremely harsh, accidentally killing a father is too. You're not empathic if you think either is fine.

It's an extremely difficult situation. I hope both parties can find peace with it. I hope the CoD kids capitalize on what they've learnt, who knows maybe they'll save a life one day. As for the father's legacy, damn. Fucked up. I am pretty sure they don't wish to ruin 2 persons lives though. So stop picking sides you bored numbnuts.

Ow no, i have NO sympathy for the callers at all. They can literally fall off a cliff and i wont even look at wether they are still alive.
They arent kids nor are they retarded.. they are fully 100% aware of their actions and the possible consequences and there is NO way that can be denied unless its confirmed by a doctor that they are mentally behind on everyone else.
They knew what would be the possible outcomes. Just like someone drinking to much or taking drugs before driving a car know exactly that if they do it and then drive, there could be a chance someone gets hurt or killed. These people knew darn well what could happen and still choose to go through with it (which wasnt a split second decision at all).
It may not be premeditated but it sure as hell is murder by ignorance.

Horusra · May 2018

l2avism2 said:

kitarad said:

This is really great news. I am so glad they are finally going to put these shits in prison.

This puts a giant spotlight on police brutality. Why does a confrontation between police and some nerd in a computer chair end with the death of the nerd?
This is why they are coming down hard on it.
They have been trying to desensitize law enforcement to the rights of the individuals they work with on a daily basis so that they won't question the government when the government passes laws that encroach on the rights granted to individuals by the constitution.
If the public becomes upset about police brutality, then the public will demand that the government respect peoples rights.
Most importantly, you have the right to not have the police enter your house without a warrant and shoot you in the head!

This is some of the stupid stuff I have heard. You think they are brainwashing the police to be desensitized. Frankly if anything they are over sensitizing them so that they do not act or even want to respond to calls. No one backs them when shit hits the fan. The media instantly attacks before any facts. Politicians use them at a whipping post to get votes. In the end everyone still calls them when they are too scared to check if they left their front door unlocked.

Most regular police officers hate politicians, rich people, lawyers, and anyone else that likes to say "My taxes pay your salary." or "Do you know who I am?". Do not fall into the trap of mistaking police chiefs and their cronies for real police.

Horusra · May 2018

MadFrenchie said:

Kyleran said:

kitarad said:

That policeman did nothing wrong with what facts he was given and told at that time.

I will agree If, and only If the person shot really did lower his hands to his waistline as is being reported.

Even so I do feel too often our police react to fear a bit too early, especially in situations such as this and more training is required.

I've taught my children to always listen very carefully to a policeman if ever in a "guns drawn" situation and do exactly what they tell them to do.

No talk back, no arguing, no movement outside of what is instructed.

A sad situation for everyone involved and they do need to make a very public example of the defendents.

The onus is on the police officer to control the situation, not the untrained civilian.

Police officers are trained in lethal force and crowd management. Civilians are not. Sorry, but I have to disagree with you Kyleran. You wouldn't expect your plumber to come to your house, break your pipes, then go "no fair, these pipes weren't acting like the other pipes I fixed today, this is your fault as much as it is mine!"

I did not know pipes had the ability to suddenly attack people. Police do not have to wait for others to shoot at them. Reaching for pockets, waist bands, inside coats, or ankles has been shown to be places where guns are kept. If you want to reach for them when police are there thinking you just shot someone then you are taking your life in your own hands. Supreme Court has rules police do not need to see force to use force, they only need to have the belief that they or others are in serious harm to take action. Training and experience can be used to make those determinations. They officer will be held accountable and punished, but he is not going to jail because the situation led the officer to believe there was danger. Unless you can prove he had the premeditated thought that he would kill this guy no matter what he did.

IceDark · May 2018

Don't know how I end up commenting here, rather then on other topic.

So .. deleted

Sovrath · May 2018

Lastlaughlol said:

kitarad said:

That policeman did nothing wrong with what facts he was given and told at that time.

Cant do anything with braindead liberals who bandwagon every single social justice issue don't ever bother to use their actual brains.

Really triggering.

First of all buddy, I'm a liberal and I am on the side of the cops in this.

Don't think like a cartoon.

And yes, I think the person who made the call should be punished.

Octagon7711 · May 2018

You don't call the police and tell them some crazy guy is murdering everyone in the house, you're hiding in a closet and may be next any second. That's just wrong and that's the main problem here.

Vrika · May 2018

timeraider said:

Dakeru said:

I don't like that the policeman who dealt the deadly shot against an unarmed civilian will not face any punishment.
WIll agree on that if the people calling recieve punishment, so should the cop. Either they both get off with no punishment or they both get punished (my option .. preferably as hard and long as possible). They are both equally guilty so if the callers get punished but the cop not.. thats a massive failure of the judgement system in my opinion

No, they should be punished differently.

The person making call created that situation and should be punished accordingly.

The police responding to the call overreacted and shot a suspect and should be punished accordingly.

Those are two different crimes, and should have two different punishments.

Asm0deus · May 2018

kitarad said:

That policeman did nothing wrong with what facts he was given and told at that time.

The real problem is that the police did not act on "facts" but rather acted on hearsay without verifying anything.

Dakeru · May 2018

Lastlaughlol said:

Dakeru said:

I don't like that the policeman who dealt the deadly shot against an unarmed civilian will not face any punishment.

Read the actual article u fk.

"Last month, Sedgwick County Dist. Atty. Marc Bennett announced that the officer who opened fire would not face criminal charges."

I did and turns out I am right.
Was there any point to your post other than to insult me?

FlyByKnight · May 2018

I'm glad the indictments happened. There's still a larger problem of people actually being able to weaponize law enforcement ignorance. That's an embarrassment just on a protocol and process level.

Not doing politics with Middle America MMORPG.com. Enjoy.

rojoArcueid · May 2018

Let all three of them rot in jail. Put them in the same cell, maybe they'll tear each other apart trying to put the blame on each other.

JeffSpicoli · May 2018

FlyByKnight said:

I'm glad the indictments happened. There's still a larger problem of people actually being able to weaponize law enforcement ignorance. That's an embarrassment just on a protocol and process level.

Not doing politics with Middle America MMORPG.com. Enjoy.

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FlyByKnight · May 2018

thunderC said:

FlyByKnight said:

I'm glad the indictments happened. There's still a larger problem of people actually being able to weaponize law enforcement ignorance. That's an embarrassment just on a protocol and process level.

Not doing politics with Middle America MMORPG.com. Enjoy.

Iselin · May 2018

I'm glad that the guy who gave out the wrong address is getting charged. I always felt he had some responsibility in this for giving out any address at all and making it credible enough that morons #2 and 3 acted on it.

As to the officer who fired on the unarmed civilian he may not have done anything that warrants charging him, but I'm having a hard time thinking that he "did nothing wrong" when he was just one of several officers at the scene watching the same movements from the victim and he was the only one that reacted by shooting. At the very least he over-reacted when none of the other equally nervous officers who had been primed by the same dangerous sounding narrative relayed to them thought the victim's actions warranted taking a shot.

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