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Three Indicted on Federal Charges in Call of Duty Swatting Death - MMORPG.com News
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US police are badly trained in general. That's why Swatting is possible. That's why slack jawed yokels pick up the phone and try to use law enforcement against types of people they don't like. They know the training is bad enough to weaponize.
I don't GAF if it's your brother, sister, father, husband, mother, bestie or whatever it's systemic. If your first duty is to protect yourself don't fucking go into a situation without vetted information or don't take the call. Anybody can walk around with a pistol and ideas. The training and discipline is what is supposed to separate law enforcement from civilians.
By your logic people have the right to put down your brother if he shows up at their property unannounced because he might not have all the info. He might kill somebody unaware of him. "Better him than me".
Thought so.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The caller made up a story:
Hello I just shot my dad, I am sitting here with my mother at the kitchen table and I will kill us both soon. Now send someone here.
It's so stupid that I still can't believe they send out several armed men for this.
Either way instead of an obvious violent youth, a middle aged man opened the door severely confused over what was going on.
And that is the point where I feel that the officer who pulled the trigger is absolutely not suitable for this kind of work because he can't judge situations at all.
No matter the particular, this idea that cops have a right to gun you down because you're confused is without merit. Just like the man crawling on the floor and pulling his pants up, only a baked drunkard would have the sluggish enough reaction time NOT to win that battle when his gun is already drawn and aimed and the perp still has to pull it out, aim, and fire, likely with much less firearm training than the officer.
"A small-town police officer who fatally shot an unarmed motorist in the back as he lay face down on the ground was acquitted on Thursday at her murder trial."
Excuse me if I don't take "he was just following procedure" as an adequate response from the police department here.
EDIT- Because it's worth noting specifically, this victim was actively being tazed by the same officer when she shot him in the back twice.
Quick, someone with military experience: how accurate do you think someone is with a handgun while lying facedown being tazed?
She said his hands kept moving under his body. Quick, someone who's been tazed: what's really hard to control when someone sends volts throughout your body? How easy it is to control those muscle spasms?
She was still acquitted completely. I have no faith in the law or a police department's ability to objectively review an officer's actions.
I don't say this to be confrontational with you Octagon. I know you were just sharing info. It just really befuddles me how much excuse making our society is willing to do for officers who clearly are not fit and/or properly trained for duty and costing lives of the very people they're supposed to protect.
Unintentional contribution alone isn't enough to punish anyone.
Not every cop that harms or kills someone, in the line of duty, in good faith and based on their judgement and the circumstances, needs to be prosecuted for a crime. They are human. They should be held to the highest standard, but not an impossible one.
For example The Guardian counted that in 2016 USA police killed 1 093 people. By comparison it would take Australian police about 278 years to shoot that many people to death. Taking into account the difference in population sizes, average American is 20 times more likely to be killed by police than average Australian.
Source for USA: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database
Source of Australia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_firearm_use_by_country
How many guns are there on the streets of Australia now, compared to the U.S.? In the hands of the people the police have to deal with? The cops in the U.S. are facing heavily armed adversaries. But that's another discussion.
Estimated number of guns per capita by country
There's also the question of how many violent crimes, especially murders, are committed against the police in both countries. I couldn't find any exact data on how many Australian officers have been killed in recent years.
This has all to do with terrible training and hiring the wrong people into the police force who are unfit to the task!
How come innocent people get shot by the police in the US all the time, while it's not such a widespread problem in other countries?
It's insane US cops immediately shoot to kill, instead of trying to take out the suspect by non-lethal means first, like shooting in the legs.
99% of time that is enough to take out a suspect without having to kill him/her.
At least that is how police officers are trained here in Europe!
In the US however, I have a feeling due to the "Sue crazy" country it is, that police officers seem to be deliberately instructed to shoot to kill, since a dead innocent person can't sue the police force nor talk anymore to defend him/herself.
Didn't I vouch for both parties?
The reality of these situations is that when you talk to the victim's relatives they will probably say something like: "it's very tragic, we are very sad and mourning and i hope that the kids who did this don't have their lives ruined". It's what I imagine a good person says anyway. Maybe in Malaysia it's different but that country stinks anyway.
Getting "revenge" doesn't bring him back from the dead so why would you choose to fuck someone's life up because they fucked up yours?
This is the mentality when something like this actually happens. The mentality of people watching from the sideline is usually "oh yeah those fuckin criminals i hope they get whats coming for 'm". It's like you guys are watching a gladiator fight in a colloseum. You just want to see some blood for justice. Here's the thing, justice is subjective and you're a dick if you want to see blood be spilled, whoever it is
When did I give you the impression of no jail sentence? I don't understand how anyone can assume this. I just think revenge on a justice bias makes it worse. But we need atleast some punishment or more kids will do this.
Dude, young people are cruel and dumb. Often cruel because they are dumb. I bet you're no exception to humanity.
Also, maybe some people always wanted to be a snail. It's not a grave insult so a rather weak argument. Bored numbnuts is from an older post, unfair but nice one anyway. I think the best solution would be that the public believes they went to prison for a long enough time to refrain it from happening again while the kids get some opportunities to a very reduced jailsentence. Do some research what happens with people who are imprisoned at a young age. It ruins lives
But I take exception to what you said about us all being cruel when we are young. Have I said something that hurt someone, yes. Have I done something that could have ended someone's life, no. There is a world of difference there.
And the last sentence of your first paragraph rings hollow to anyone who grew up in the projects, specifically in the 80s and 90s. That's part of the problem.
Officers sign up knowing the risks. They're the professionals in that situation, no one else. I've already given two other examples of cops firing on targets lying facedown per instructions, one being actively tazed when he was shot. The system currently cannot objectively review an officer's actions. That's a problem.
and in the end none of it matters other then your own personal 5 mins of fame... if any of you really gave a rat ass you take it to congress an petition for change. don't join the ignorant masses that end up rioting or cop killing because their no " justice "
yes their bad cops their bad people regardless what their job suppose to be their humans, we all sin. we all feel were right and justify are actions then surround are self with other that think the same. argue all you want those in power should be held to high standers but unless we as the people enforce it, it's irrelevant an just pissing and moaning too the blind masses.
TLDR
unless your willing take real action sharing you opinion on random gaming site does nothing other then make you feel better about picking side A versus B, unless your the neutral side that thinks both side are equal an right.
I have two thoughts here
No 1.
It's a shame someone died, it never should have happened but that being said.
It is NOT the officers fault, he replied to a potentially deadly situation, he acted in a way to preserve his colleages and his own life.
Maybe some of the responsibility has to be on the victim who should have listened very carefully to the instructions but since we don't
know all the details we cant comment properly on that
Finally the people involved deserve long lengthy sentences, they acted in a way which they knew would get an aggressive police response, they knew armed officers would respond and therefore are fully culpable for the resulting death. Whilst I don't think it's
murder because they didn't intend for the victim to die, they still deserve the life sentences.
But more importantly
No 2. Ban guns, we don't have them on our side of the pond and we also have less people shot dead by police.
When a subject is clearly showing a gun in his hand, then it's a completely different situation and then lethal response might be necessary.
But! In this swatting case, the victim did not have any weapon in his hand and even when he lowered his hands for whatever reason, it would have been sufficient to shoot him in the legs.
If the victim (aka suspect) then still tries to reach for something, then the police still has enough time to react with a more lethal response!
Let me remind you that there were 6 police officers at the scene, so he was outnumbered 6 to 1 !!
These police officers are professionals, should have adequate training to be able to assess different situations and the ability to respond accordingly!
This police officer clearly should not be in the function he is in! Since he is clearly incapable of assessing situations, while the other 5 colleagues did manage and not fire their gun.
Seaspite
Playing ESO on my X-Box
Police officers killing rates in America far outpace the world, and part of it is because of the amount of guns in the country. The other is the commonly held belief here in America that police officers and military can do no wrong. It's hogwash; they're humans, just like the criminals.
So when is that side of the pond going to ban
knives?
Bombs?
Box trucks?
Tip guns will never be banned in the US it's in our constitution.
Because America doesn't have knife attacks, vehicle attacks, or bomb attacks. And since when were bombs legal anywhere for private citizens to keep?
Knives are far less lethal than guns.
Vehicles serve an actual purpose for society aside from killing things.
Jesus Christ, dude, at least try.
Thanks for proving my point pal bombs are illegal and yet criminals still find way to use them and acquire them. Here in the US law abiding Americans will not bow down to fear mongers like you and the actions of criminals.
If you have a problem with that come and take them. The last time that side of the pond tried to come and take something from Americans didn't work too well and won t work this time either.