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Blizzard Denies Rumors That Diablo 4 Was Planned for BlizzCon Reveal + ATVi Stocks Tumble - MMORPG.c

SBFordSBFord Former Associate EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 33,129
edited November 2018 in News & Features Discussion

imageBlizzard Denies Rumors That Diablo 4 Was Planned for BlizzCon Reveal + ATVi Stocks Tumble - MMORPG.com

In the continuing saga of one of the most viral stories in gaming, Blizzard Entertainment has responded to a rumor that Diablo 4 was intended to be announced at BlizzCon 2018 last weekend in addition to the as-yet poorly received Diablo Immortal mobile game. In and of itself, this is highly unusual as Blizzard generally ignores rumors. However, after a Kotaku story citing the rumor exploded all over the internet, the company felt it needed to respond.

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  • meonthissitemeonthissite Member UncommonPosts: 917
    Yep couldn't agree more with Cowen & Co. Hiring someone to make a port of Diablo III solely for tablets and phones was extremely wrong since most of Blizzard players have been PC for decades!

    What is ironic about this is Blizzard is THE reason why other gaming companies began porting their titles to computers that were typically not supported by Windows such as Macintosh computers. What did this mean? It means that they spearheaded a major change in the gaming industry simply by porting their own games, which with the huge number of players playing World of Warcraft early on, forced the hand of companies like Windows Games to convert their game titles to Macintosh computers as well! This was almost unheard of until they made this change at Blizzard!

    Additionally, the model for tablet/phone games is free to play -- with the addition of toxic billing practices such as the selling of boxes/keys that gamble on the contents of those boxes, in game requirements from the store in order to complete the leveling process or to get central storyline/progression materials in order to remain competitive in the game. This includes the ability to respec, questlines that tell the main story, or competitive skills/items that make it possible to win at PVP.

    Even though these things are speculative at this point, they are drawn directly from what's experienced in the typical phone/tablet game today.

    I don't expect Blizzard to handle this properly considering they made this move while also misleading the public on twitter by claiming there were "multiple" Diablo projects in the works weeks before the actual announcement of Diablo Immortality at Blizzcon.
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  • anemoanemo Member RarePosts: 1,903
    The "Blizzard" link is an article about Amazon Alexa

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  • SBFordSBFord Former Associate EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 33,129
    VentureBeat links are weird -- if you scroll too far down the feed, it picks up the URL of the next article. Anyway fixed.

    I have to say that I'm blown away that they issued a statement. I think that's a first and proves they're in full damage control mode.
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,078
    edited November 2018
    What Blizzard misread was how wildly out of control people's expectations would be at Blizzcon, which they attempted to temper by releasing an annoucement just before to try and rein people in but was unsuccessful.

    They haven't mislead anyone if they really have several other Diablo games in the work, but players probably need to let go of their speculations until Blizzard is ready to share.

    Not surprising Activision stock took a bit of a dive, no doubt dumped by either investors who made the same miscalculation as gamers did, or just a dump in retaliation by butthurt and petulant fans.

    Blizzard will weather the storm and likely continue to rake in the cash and this kerfuffle will quickly fade into the past.

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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    Kyleran said:
    ...this kerfuffle will quickly fade into the past.

    Said the Romans after they beat back the barbarians the first time :)
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  • ItstimetodealItstimetodeal Member UncommonPosts: 284
    Like I suspected.  The hacks at Kotaku makes up some click bait "people familiar" garbage, Blizzard has to take the rare step to deny this juvenile "journalism".  Trust me I'm as annoyed by the Diablo fiasco as anyone but it's time people start holding "journalists" accountable for their hack jobs.  
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  • exile01exile01 Member RarePosts: 1,089
    Can we get news now about how they changed their homepage from Diablo: Immortal back to Diablo 3?
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  • PemminPemmin Member UncommonPosts: 623

    Kyleran said:

    What Blizzard misread was how wildly out of control people's expectations would be at Blizzcon, which they attempted to temper by releasing an annoucement just before to try and rein people in but was unsuccessful.



    They haven't mislead anyone if they really have several other Diablo games in the work, but players probably need to let go of their speculations until Blizzard is ready to share.



    Not surprising Activision stock took a bit of a dive, no doubt dumped by either investors who made the same miscalculation as gamers did, or just a dump in retaliation by butthurt and petulant fans.



    Blizzard will weather the storm and likely continue to rake in the cash and this kerfuffle will quickly fade into the past.






    my issue with blizzard statement(s) is that they still don't mention platforms. yeah they may have other projects but that doesn't mean any of them are for PC....and I find it odd that they haven't mentioned PC after the backlash...when it could literally fix the issue.
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  • XingbairongXingbairong Member RarePosts: 927
    I already mentioned that their stocks will go down, but didn't expect for them to go down by that much and this is just the beginning I should say... They have literally nothing to show for till the next Blizzcon, except for really old titles like Vanilla and Warcraft 3 Reforged, so I'm confident that their stocks will drop by quite a few more %, wouldn't be surprised if they drop to $55 or even less. I have no idea how much they will lose from that, but I'm confident that it's going to be quite a few more millions than if they bothered to deliver good games and I'm not even talking about Diablo Immwhatever.

    WoW in it's current state is just... it's beta. Every day I continue to encounter new bugs it's beyond me how that's possible. I know they said that the next patch should get the game out of it's beta status, but I doubt it and even if it does there are a lot of other things that were done in a lackluster way.

    HotS feels like it's beyond salvage with the lack of interest in introducing a proper MM. They keep talking about the personal MM rating, but they've been talking about it for years and I doubt we will see it anytime soon. They continue to make irrelevant changes like to stimpacks for example instead of focusing on what's important. I'm downloading LoL as I write this. Stopped playing this game like 5 years ago because of the horrible community, but if there is anything that LoL had it spot on it was the MM. Everyone was where they should be.

    I'm expecting in 10 years if Blizzcon is still a thing to see something like "hey guys we just made Overwatch and Hearthstone remastered" cause we lost our passion for releasing new content in 2018, we also have 5 new mobile titles.

    I get it money is important, but doing things without thinking can have negative effect and cost you more than if you had done things correctly.

    Personally I think that they are working on a Diablo 3 expansion and that's what they planned to announce, but after they saw everyone expecting a Diablo 4 they probably changed their minds and decide to try and make the Diablo 3 expansion a Diablo 4, but of course that will require another 1-2 years at least. However they probably didn't expect things to blow out like that because of Diablo Mobile.
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  • ScorchienScorchien Member LegendaryPosts: 8,914
    edited November 2018
    Trying to connect this to there stock is a bit of a reach the entire market basically dipped and always does before an election .Not to mention that Blizz is the smaller part of ATVI altho strong they have the least MAU of the 3 in Activision/King/ Blizz . so again we are going to attribute the stock drop for ATVI prior to an election to just what amounts to 1/3rd of the corp solely in Blizzs lap ..Stop it , the dip is because of the election ( i have not spoken to a single person that sold there stock because of Blizzcon). There are alot of things globally effecting the entire market right now that would attribute any slip to also , before i would blame Immortal , to the contrary it should be a strong addition to the Blizz stable in the future

    But to continue thru there article they are correct and i pointed out Blizz could have lessened the PR blow with a D4 Teaser/Trailer , and yes they have been working on D4 for a while
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  • DesignOTGDesignOTG Member UncommonPosts: 3

    Scorchien said:

    Trying to connect this to there stock is a bit of a reach the entire market basically dipped and always does before an election .Not to mention that Blizz is the smaller part of ATVI altho strong they have the least MAU of the 3 in Activision/King/ Blizz . so again we are going to attribute the stock drop for ATVI prior to an election to just what amounts to 1/3rd of the corp solely in Blizzs lap ..Stop it , the dip is because of the election ( i have not spoken to a single person that sold there stock because of Blizzcon). There are alot of things globally effecting the entire market right now that would attribute any slip to also , before i would blame Immortal , to the contrary it should be a strong addition to the Blizz stable in the future



    But to continue thru there article they are correct and i pointed out Blizz could have lessened the PR blow with a D4 Teaser/Trailer , and yes they have been working on D4 for a while



    Agreed.

    Their stock price is really a function of expected future revenues, and Blizzcon is usually a big source of information on new releases that can have an impact. This year didn't give investors much to latch onto:
    * WoW Retail: No new expansion.
    * WoW Classic: Has resources devoted, but will be included with the normal sub. This will only boost revenue if it draws new players in (or old players back) who don't currently sub. They didn't provide any numbers to show what the interest level might be.
    * HotS: A new hero, but no huge news.
    * StarCraft II: No huge news. No SC3.
    * WC III Reforged: This will drive new revenue, but the question is timing. It's slated for some time in 2019 (the launcher uses a placeholder of 12/31/19). Even if people preorder, I don't think they can book revenue until it's actually delivered. No WC4.
    * Overwatch: No real revenue-related news.
    * Hearthstone: New expansion, which might be the only short-term revenue signal.
    * Diablo: No expansion, D1/2 remaster, or D4 to drive sales.
    * D:I: No release date or monetization scheme or really anything that gives confidence on short-term revenue

    Taking that all together, I don't think the stock dip should be a surprise, and it's from a combination of factors (or non-factors) rather than simply being tied to D:I alone.
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  • Mike-McQueenMike-McQueen Member UncommonPosts: 267
    Blizzard has definitely lost its edge. They still hold iconic IP’s that most of us hold great nostalgia for but when you look at their games they are all second and third best. WoW is archaic and they refuse to bring it into the future, Diablo just isn’t great anymore, hearthstone and hots both are subpar, and the old strategy games they came into greatness with have fallen by the wayside. Overwatch is their only gem...until someone comes along and does it better. I don’t know if they just lack any real game designers or if the big money at the top just nixes the good ideas. Either way I have moved on.
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  • MargraveMargrave Member RarePosts: 1,371
    "they aren't in touch with their players" is just true.

    No one in their current fan-base was asking for a phone Diablol

    And as for WoW Classic, that news was just disappointing. Part of the $15 sub?! Nope. Not for a 14 year old game. It should be $15 a month for live, $5 a month for classic, and $18 a month for the bundle of the two. That way they could use the hot marketing term 'bundle' and for both you would be saving $2 a month by bundling.

    They missed it with both of those.

    The only thing good I think was Warcraft 3 HD. Everything else was a wash in my opinion.
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  • kitaradkitarad Member LegendaryPosts: 8,178
    Margrave said:
    "they aren't in touch with their players" is just true.

    No one in their current fan-base was asking for a phone Diablol

    And as for WoW Classic, that news was just disappointing. Part of the $15 sub?! Nope. Not for a 14 year old game. It should be $15 a month for live, $5 a month for classic, and $18 a month for the bundle of the two. That way they could use the hot marketing term 'bundle' and for both you would be saving $2 a month by bundling.

    They missed it with both of those.

    The only thing good I think was Warcraft 3 HD. Everything else was a wash in my opinion.
    I thought people did not play on the private servers because there's no subscription. From what you're saying it seems the sub is a factor.

  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    kitarad said:
    Margrave said:
    "they aren't in touch with their players" is just true.

    No one in their current fan-base was asking for a phone Diablol

    And as for WoW Classic, that news was just disappointing. Part of the $15 sub?! Nope. Not for a 14 year old game. It should be $15 a month for live, $5 a month for classic, and $18 a month for the bundle of the two. That way they could use the hot marketing term 'bundle' and for both you would be saving $2 a month by bundling.

    They missed it with both of those.

    The only thing good I think was Warcraft 3 HD. Everything else was a wash in my opinion.
    I thought people did not play on the private servers because there's no subscription. From what you're saying it seems the sub is a factor.
    Yeah, including it in the $15 sub for Live makes it the lowest barrier to entry one could reasonably expect.

    Even for classic WoW, zero box price and just a $15 sub is fair considering it's a remastered and officially supported version.
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  • HorusraHorusra Member EpicPosts: 4,411

    Iselin said:


    Kyleran said:

    ...this kerfuffle will quickly fade into the past.





    Said the Romans after they beat back the barbarians the first time :)



    So they are going to be around for another hundred years?
  • ScorchienScorchien Member LegendaryPosts: 8,914
    Margrave said:
    "they aren't in touch with their players" is just true.

    No one in their current fan-base was asking for a phone Diablol

    And as for WoW Classic, that news was just disappointing. Part of the $15 sub?! Nope. Not for a 14 year old game. It should be $15 a month for live, $5 a month for classic, and $18 a month for the bundle of the two. That way they could use the hot marketing term 'bundle' and for both you would be saving $2 a month by bundling.

    They missed it with both of those.

    The only thing good I think was Warcraft 3 HD. Everything else was a wash in my opinion.
    It is not always about what the fan-base are asking for , you are in a bubble here..

      When ATVI purchased King in 2015 for Candy Crush (and there stable of games) None of the CoD and Wow fans were asking for that either , but was a brilliant move for ATVI ..

      It was obvious when the purchased King that ATVI would branch further into mobile/tablet games etc.. This was not a surprise , to the contrary planned out and calculated ..

     There only mistake here is not showing anything of D4 , it would have certainly soften the PR blow , even a concept and design trailer ...

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  • FinvegaFinvega Member RarePosts: 260
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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,963
    Margrave said:
    "they aren't in touch with their players" is just true.

    No one in their current fan-base was asking for a phone Diablol

    And as for WoW Classic, that news was just disappointing. Part of the $15 sub?! Nope. Not for a 14 year old game. It should be $15 a month for live, $5 a month for classic, and $18 a month for the bundle of the two. That way they could use the hot marketing term 'bundle' and for both you would be saving $2 a month by bundling.

    They missed it with both of those.

    The only thing good I think was Warcraft 3 HD. Everything else was a wash in my opinion.
    They may or may not be in touch with their fan base but I don't think the "No one in their current fan-base was asking for a phone Diablo" is the correct statement.

    More like "they want to expand their fan base so they created a game on mobile to do so."
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  • NibsNibs Member UncommonPosts: 287
    edited November 2018
    ATVI value 1 Nov 2018: $52.39 billion.

    ATVI value 6 Nov 2018: $48.59 billion.

    They have wiped $3.8 billion from their value in the last week...
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  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    edited November 2018
    Sovrath said:
    Margrave said:
    "they aren't in touch with their players" is just true.

    No one in their current fan-base was asking for a phone Diablol

    And as for WoW Classic, that news was just disappointing. Part of the $15 sub?! Nope. Not for a 14 year old game. It should be $15 a month for live, $5 a month for classic, and $18 a month for the bundle of the two. That way they could use the hot marketing term 'bundle' and for both you would be saving $2 a month by bundling.

    They missed it with both of those.

    The only thing good I think was Warcraft 3 HD. Everything else was a wash in my opinion.
    They may or may not be in touch with their fan base but I don't think the "No one in their current fan-base was asking for a phone Diablo" is the correct statement.

    More like "they want to expand their fan base so they created a game on mobile to do so."
    It isn't that they're looking to expand their fanbase and created a mobile game to do so (though I would contend this will do little to increase Blizzard or Diablo's fanbase) that's the issue; it's that they completely ignored their core fanbase at Blizzcon in doing so.  Their core fanbase are PC users; Blizzard has spent decades building a PC user fanbase and has only recently put any focus on consoles (and minimal focus, at that).

    Many have already made the accurate analogies, but I'll give it a go: it's like going to a Wizards of the Coast convention and finding out their big announcement for MtG is a general-subject trivia board game that's only connection to MtG is the art and flavor text.  Nobody really wanted it, and those who did wanted it only in a "it'd be kinda nifty" way.

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  • gervaise1gervaise1 Member EpicPosts: 6,919
    Yep couldn't agree more with Cowen & Co. Hiring someone to make a port of Diablo III solely for tablets and phones was extremely wrong since most of Blizzard players have been PC for decades!

    <snip>
    Except since Activision Blizzard bought King most of their "engaged users" - AB's preferred metric - are mobile.

    And as that is the metric they have chosen to report to investors, and most of those players are mobile, maybe senior management might have become somewhat focused on mobile.

    On no! Our user numbers are dropping. Quick release a new mobile game sort of thing.
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  • CazrielCazriel Member RarePosts: 419
    Investment company Cowen & Co. wrote to investors, "Blizzard severely miscalculated how their fans would respond, which suggests they aren't in touch with their players as maybe they should be."

    This is the key info right here. After a years-long drought of meaningful content, Diablo fans got no relief. Blizzard abandoned Diablo forums years ago as well, giving players no hint as to the direction the game would be going in, if any. It's like they prepared this grand feast and in front of starving players, threw it down the garbage chute.

    However you wish to characterize this, Blizzard could not have misjudged their player base more. And that means they're out of touch, focusing on powerpoints and spreadsheets and ignoring the tenor and tone of their customers.

  • FlyByKnightFlyByKnight Member EpicPosts: 3,967
    Guys, stop trying to back and forth about a mobile version of Diablo like your personal preference and bubble matters when it doesn't. If I was sitting around in an airport on layover and nothing to do I'm going to download this re-skin and rock out as to not burn my laptop battery. If I'm having an extended visit to the pooper I might download it and play. It wasn't a bad corporate decision to have a mobile version out there. It was an obvious choice.

    The problem (stated again) is the fact that we're all even talking about it. It shouldn't have been marketed in the way it was. It shouldn't have been thrown in the face of die-hard PC master race fans when Blizzard KNEW everybody was looking for a Diablo 4 or Diablo MMORPG reveal. 

    The people making the games haven't lost their edge. The marketing team and stakeholders who made the decision to reveal Diablo Immortal at Blizzcon then do a mic drop after are the IDIOTS.

    Overwatch, WoW, Diablo, Hearthstone, not to mention the vice grip on eSports are their assets. Blizzard ain't going anywhere any time soon. This situation was embarrassing for sure, but it's more like when Leonidas cut Xerxes face.
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