DDO. I played it through with a great bunch of guys through various betas, stresstests and the like. We enjoyed it but, the fact remains, it just wasn't worth money. A tiny game with no real depth, an apalling fanboiish community and the ineptitude of Codemasters add up to making Jack a dull boy.
What might be a better question is what mmos do people actually like?
But to answer one I don't like would have to be WoW.
I liked warcraft, I was so hyped for WoW the whole way through beta, it finally came out, I played it for like 5 months and realised I just wasted 5 months of my life on this game where all I can do now is spend 3+ hours with 39 other guys just to get better equpiment to do it all over again, it almost became a chore near the end.
Originally posted by JGib What might be a better question is what mmos do people actually like? But to answer one I don't like would have to be WoW. I liked warcraft, I was so hyped for WoW the whole way through beta, it finally came out, I played it for like 5 months and realised I just wasted 5 months of my life on this game where all I can do now is spend 3+ hours with 39 other guys just to get better equpiment to do it all over again, it almost became a chore near the end.
That's what it was like! Like a CHORE *shudder*, cheers mate for reimbursing my hate for WoW!
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In Horizons I actually played it for over a month before deciding it wasn't worth playing.
you know ive saw about four people saying horizons is worst. its funny because this was my first mmo. it was the the game that bought me into mmos. before i left horizons, i didnt know whats good and whats not. when i went to CoH and saw some 300 people standing all in one location, i knew horizons was in trouble.
i didnt pick horizons for the worst all because the community. it help make the enjoyment of horizons alot better then it really was. alot of people who havent played longer then a month wouldnt really feel the community side of this game.
Have played: CoH, DDO EQ2, FFXI, L2, HZ, SoR, and WW2 online
DDO ...... i tried it 7 times in closed and open beta. i even tried the 7 day trial just to make sure my opinion was correct. i CANT get to like that game even by forcing myself. NC soft is going to release some titles in the futur. i hope it will make me more happy than those new mmo that are good for nothing. Since WoW. i only liked Auto Assault. but every free sucky players cant play. the game isnt full ... server are always very low... i hate people that only play beta, and then disapear =/
anyone got a good sugestion on mmo that actually got something else than grindage ?
The worst mmo's eh, hrmmm....Well I gotta say everything by NCsoft and DnD online. Let me Start with Linage2, good looking game actually, I had high hopes for this game, it was my 1st pvp game, but after running into countless numbers of Adena farmers with names like "Hotboy326", and then watching people literally running into guards de-leveling...this was THE most corrupt game I ever played. Who the hell wants to play a game where everyone cheats but you? The box sits on my shelf gathering dust along with other NCsoft titles CoH/CoV. I'de burn the boxes, but they remind me NOT to buy their crap again. I should have just burned 3 50$ bills instead. DnD online, again good looking game, played it for like a week. You can't solo, and allthough I do like to group and socialize, I don't like being forced to. the game was way to small and all instanced??? seemed like they cheated, again another shelfdustgatherer .
WoW, loved it, loved the pvp, played every race and class, what was there like 4? lol, and they are Finaly making an expansion soon....who cares! I couldn't do all those same "barrens" quest again w/o puking.
Everquest 1, played 5 years...nuff said, EQ2 played it liked a month, this was the only game I ever pre-ordered. I won't make that mistake again. What was it I didn't like? well maybe it was they made the game stupid, it was sooo dumbed down, with the grouped mobs circled etc. just seemed rediculas. Other then that I hink it was the invisable walls the game designers put up that put me off, everyone goes here, then there, then here, the game was on rails. I did like the crafting,and the Inn room thing was cool. Was it just me or did the characters just all look stupid? Highly detailed but corney.
The other dustgatherers on my shelf are: Daoc, Sor, Swg, Ao, Ac,
Originally posted by Aramodin The worst mmo's eh, hrmmm....Well I gotta say everything by NCsoft and DnD online. Let me Start with Linage2, good looking game actually, I had high hopes for this game, it was my 1st pvp game, but after running into countless numbers of Adena farmers with names like "Hotboy326", and then watching people literally running into guards de-leveling...this was THE most corrupt game I ever played. Who the hell wants to play a game where everyone cheats but you? The box sits on my shelf gathering dust along with other NCsoft titles CoH/CoV. I'de burn the boxes, but they remind me NOT to buy their crap again. I should have just burned 3 50$ bills instead. DnD online, again good looking game, played it for like a week. You can't solo, and allthough I do like to group and socialize, I don't like being forced to. the game was way to small and all instanced??? seemed like they cheated, again another shelfdustgatherer . WoW, loved it, loved the pvp, played every race and class, what was there like 4? lol, and they are Finaly making an expansion soon....who cares! I couldn't do all those same "barrens" quest again w/o puking. Everquest 1, played 5 years...nuff said, EQ2 played it liked a month, this was the only game I ever pre-ordered. I won't make that mistake again. What was it I didn't like? well maybe it was they made the game stupid, it was sooo dumbed down, with the grouped mobs circled etc. just seemed rediculas. Other then that I hink it was the invisable walls the game designers put up that put me off, everyone goes here, then there, then here, the game was on rails. I did like the crafting,and the Inn room thing was cool. Was it just me or did the characters just all look stupid? Highly detailed but corney. The other dustgatherers on my shelf are: Daoc, Sor, Swg, Ao, Ac,
so what game DO you play?
Played: WoW, DAoc, EQ2, Nexus, Vanguard, Ryzom, Auto Assault
I don't play any mmorpg's atm, my wife still plays EQ2.
I'm waiting for a game that is challenge...for all the crap EQ1 gets on theses boards at least it was hardcore, ya hada think at that game. I didn't mind looking up quests at fansites, was allways a good feeling when ya found an obscure quest no one else heard of. I was probably only Shadowknight on the Server with 40% haste belt for a long long time.
I play Civ4 now, cuz I got nothing else to do but wait till the next mmorpg comes out, and after all the crap I've bought that sits on my shelf mocking me , I've decided it is a free trial or I'm not buying it. I'm tired of burning 50$ bills
Originally posted by MuffinMan Originally posted by Aramodin The worst mmo's eh, hrmmm....Well I gotta say everything by NCsoft and DnD online. Let me Start with Linage2, good looking game actually, I had high hopes for this game, it was my 1st pvp game, but after running into countless numbers of Adena farmers with names like "Hotboy326", and then watching people literally running into guards de-leveling...this was THE most corrupt game I ever played. Who the hell wants to play a game where everyone cheats but you? The box sits on my shelf gathering dust along with other NCsoft titles CoH/CoV. I'de burn the boxes, but they remind me NOT to buy their crap again. I should have just burned 3 50$ bills instead. DnD online, again good looking game, played it for like a week. You can't solo, and allthough I do like to group and socialize, I don't like being forced to. the game was way to small and all instanced??? seemed like they cheated, again another shelfdustgatherer . WoW, loved it, loved the pvp, played every race and class, what was there like 4? lol, and they are Finaly making an expansion soon....who cares! I couldn't do all those same "barrens" quest again w/o puking. Everquest 1, played 5 years...nuff said, EQ2 played it liked a month, this was the only game I ever pre-ordered. I won't make that mistake again. What was it I didn't like? well maybe it was they made the game stupid, it was sooo dumbed down, with the grouped mobs circled etc. just seemed rediculas. Other then that I hink it was the invisable walls the game designers put up that put me off, everyone goes here, then there, then here, the game was on rails. I did like the crafting,and the Inn room thing was cool. Was it just me or did the characters just all look stupid? Highly detailed but corney. The other dustgatherers on my shelf are: Daoc, Sor, Swg, Ao, Ac,
so what game DO you play? Hahaha, that's genuinely funny!
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Hmm... my least favorite... SHOULD be which one I don't enjoy the most, so I'll put that down:
1st: WoW - The community makes the enjoyment of this game go down on my "ubermeter". The content after the level grinding is more abent than the GMs' IQ.
2nd: EVE - I got into it, yeh it was fun for a while, but it go too complicated and PvP orientated for my liking... yes I am a carebear!
3rd: GW - I thought I was entering this game with a broad knowledge of what to expect... yeh it was broad, turned out to be innacurate however... instances - everywhere! Just not my thing, I want to show of my uber armour and whacky weapons!
Ahh well... such is life.
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Originally posted by Aramodin The worst mmo's eh, hrmmm....Well I gotta say everything by NCsoft and DnD online. Let me Start with Linage2, good looking game actually, I had high hopes for this game, it was my 1st pvp game, but after running into countless numbers of Adena farmers with names like "Hotboy326", and then watching people literally running into guards de-leveling...this was THE most corrupt game I ever played. Who the hell wants to play a game where everyone cheats but you? The box sits on my shelf gathering dust along with other NCsoft titles CoH/CoV. I'de burn the boxes, but they remind me NOT to buy their crap again. I should have just burned 3 50$ bills instead. DnD online, again good looking game, played it for like a week. You can't solo, and allthough I do like to group and socialize, I don't like being forced to. the game was way to small and all instanced??? seemed like they cheated, again another shelfdustgatherer .
Totally agree! i also never buy annything of NCsoft annymore, all their games look great, but u actually get nothing, cept for the feeling theyr out on your money. just my opinion
Originally posted by josjikawa Originally posted by Aramodin The worst mmo's eh, hrmmm....Well I gotta say everything by NCsoft and DnD online. Let me Start with Linage2, good looking game actually, I had high hopes for this game, it was my 1st pvp game, but after running into countless numbers of Adena farmers with names like "Hotboy326", and then watching people literally running into guards de-leveling...this was THE most corrupt game I ever played. Who the hell wants to play a game where everyone cheats but you? The box sits on my shelf gathering dust along with other NCsoft titles CoH/CoV. I'de burn the boxes, but they remind me NOT to buy their crap again. I should have just burned 3 50$ bills instead. DnD online, again good looking game, played it for like a week. You can't solo, and allthough I do like to group and socialize, I don't like being forced to. the game was way to small and all instanced??? seemed like they cheated, again another shelfdustgatherer .
Totally agree! i also never buy annything of NCsoft annymore, all their games look great, but u actually get nothing, cept for the feeling theyr out on your money. just my opinion
/agree !
NCsoft is a breeding ground for good looking, yet unfulfilling games!
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I'd have to say Horizons was the biggest letdown for me. I supported that game completely until I actually got to play it. It just seemed there was too much conflict within the office.
But truthfully I've never been addicted to an MMORPG. I can play a few months then nothing.... The concept itself intrigues me but Ive yet to play a good enough game to grab my attention for an extended time. Im still waiting for that game.
Im a big fan of Simutronics, I think Hero's Journey looks promising.
I don't think EQ sucks. I've been playing it for over 6 years. I didn't like WoW because I didn't see anything in it that isn't in other games already. I challenge you to tell me one thing WoW has that isn't in another game.
If you want to discuss topics on a forum then why not try posting some of your arguments.
Where to begin.
I heard loads of praise about EQ. How awesome it was and such. When I bought it and loaded it, it was not what I expected. It was so graphically ugly I couldn't handle playing it. Now, for those of you who say "Don't judge a book by it's cover", why don't you buy a car that's beatup on the outside, but has a good engine? A program is more than just gameplay, it's every aspect, including graphics. EQ came out in a time where graphic acceleration was standard, and yet they used sprites. Sorry, I'm not about to pay for outdated graphics in games of yesterday with today's prices. EQ left such a bad taste in my mouth, I swore off MMOs for quite some time, till someone got me involved in a beta of another MMO.
I bought WoW on a whim because I was bored with CoH. I actually didn't like it at first either but it wasn't butt ugly to look at. Had I played EQ longer, perhaps I might have seen some of the gameplay you speak of, but they lost me at the loading screen. If I am to speak of my least favorite MMO, then the one that comes to my mind is the ugly one I bought and never played, and the name is EQ.
I am challenged to say what innovations WoW brought. There are none I can speak of. You now play EQ2. Where's the innovation there? Same answer from you I'd wager. Next to me I have sitting another EQ player and he also plays EQ2 and wants nothing to do with WoW. Is that denial, envy, or jealosy? I don't know. Why the former crown kings of MMOs have a problem with the new king I'll leave you to ponder. All I know is that EQ may have had lots of things to do, but after how many expansions? WoW is still new, and they are about to release their 1st expansion. He said himself there's no comparing the EQ and WoW. There are only the masses playing WoW, and all others are minorities at the moment. Majority rules I'd say.
My original post stands. I didn't like EQ. I don't understand all the hate of WoW. My age has no place in here. I didn't feel like engaging in a discussion here, only to give my two cents. I forget about the trolling that goes on in these forums. I shall not bother you all with my opinions any more because you obviously are only looking to entertain yourselves instead of seeing things from someone else's perspective.
So long.
Okay, innovative things in Everquest 2.
-- Quests that engage you in the environment and atmosphere of the game. Example, quests that get you to collect parts of monsters and study them to learn more about each creature in the world. -- To extend on the last point, when you first encounter monsters in the world each one has their own language that at first sounds like gibberish. As you collect special items (scrolls, notes, etc) from them and study these items you learn a little more of their language. Pretty soon that goblin is taunting you in a language you understand. -- The character voice overs. They're amazing. They give more of an immersion into the game. -- The guild rank system. This allows the guilds to have a common goal towards an achievement status. It keeps my guild busy a lot. Not every guild cares about this, but it's nice that it's there if you want to use it. -- Items that you pick up that can be used to interact with special places in the world. Example, the scrying stones. You find areas of the world that are magical and use the scrying stone to discover treasure and items. -- Quests that are more than just go kill x of these and y of those. I hate quests like that and WoW is poisoned with them. -- My house. Although other games I've played have had housing, I find EQ2's housing much more fun. There are a ton of items to put into your home to personalize it and if it ever gets too small or you don't like the neighborhood your in, you can move. -- The combat. By far the best looking combat of any game I've played. The battles are awesome. Almost like a movie. -- The mentor system. If you want to team with someone of a lower level than you, you can put yourself in mentor mode. Then the monsters on their level are a challenge to you and you get experience. Plus you can teach the cool newbs how to play and catch them up to you.
There, I think that's plenty for now. There's more, trust me. Everytime I play I gain a greater appreciation for the game.
As for EQ1, I'm a little confused by your problems with the graphics. Yeah, they're not the best. But that's not EQ1's claim to fame. It's claim to fame is being around for so long that it's a behemoth in content. There's no way that you could possibly see everything in that game. It's HUGE. I've been playing it forever and still go to new zones and go on new raids and tasks. The graphics are adequate to set a mood. But the character creation and content are what set it apart from the rest. I don't mind outdated graphics if the game is fun. I have no problem playing old Zelda games. It's the gameplay design that really matters to me.
But, if you want to judge an old game by it's graphics, I'll respect you for that. I'm always excited to see new games myself. That's another reason I'm so into EQ2. It looks incredible.
And as far as majority rules. Nyah. Not for me. To me, my taste rules for me. Not what everyone else is playing.
FFXI Ive never been a fan of loosing XP when I die. Hours and hours of mindless leveling then loose it all when the fighter LDs. Lame plot, annoying cutscenes, terrible graphics engine, lots of lag, very slow mindless leveling treadmill, freakish models.
One good thing though, the auctionhouse. Best auctionhouse Ive seen in any game.
World of Warcraft: Very decent game, good graphics, to me poor game play, questing is discusting, to many Chinese Gold farmers, Quit the g ame after 4 60's Everquest: Like an earlier post, to much downtime medding, litteraly took 20 minutes to med at lvl 4.... pathetic, played from launch till gates of discord, New graphics,Char models, spell graphics made the game suck to me, enjoyed the old EQ better Everquest 2: To much like EQ boring, awful graphics (to me) quest system sucks
Human Commando-Breakdown lvl 16 Lvl 7 Engineer (Kick arse Fun) Auto Assault World of Warcraft Return To Castle Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory
-- Quests that engage you in the environment and atmosphere of the game. Example, quests that get you to collect parts of monsters and study them to learn more about each creature in the world. -- To extend on the last point, when you first encounter monsters in the world each one has their own language that at first sounds like gibberish. As you collect special items (scrolls, notes, etc) from them and study these items you learn a little more of their language. Pretty soon that goblin is taunting you in a language you understand. -- The character voice overs. They're amazing. They give more of an immersion into the game. -- The guild rank system. This allows the guilds to have a common goal towards an achievement status. It keeps my guild busy a lot. Not every guild cares about this, but it's nice that it's there if you want to use it. -- Items that you pick up that can be used to interact with special places in the world. Example, the scrying stones. You find areas of the world that are magical and use the scrying stone to discover treasure and items. -- Quests that are more than just go kill x of these and y of those. I hate quests like that and WoW is poisoned with them. -- My house. Although other games I've played have had housing, I find EQ2's housing much more fun. There are a ton of items to put into your home to personalize it and if it ever gets too small or you don't like the neighborhood your in, you can move. -- The combat. By far the best looking combat of any game I've played. The battles are awesome. Almost like a movie. -- The mentor system. If you want to team with someone of a lower level than you, you can put yourself in mentor mode. Then the monsters on their level are a challenge to you and you get experience. Plus you can teach the cool newbs how to play and catch them up to you.
There, I think that's plenty for now. There's more, trust me. Everytime I play I gain a greater appreciation for the game.
As for EQ1, I'm a little confused by your problems with the graphics. Yeah, they're not the best. But that's not EQ1's claim to fame. It's claim to fame is being around for so long that it's a behemoth in content. There's no way that you could possibly see everything in that game. It's HUGE. I've been playing it forever and still go to new zones and go on new raids and tasks. The graphics are adequate to set a mood. But the character creation and content are what set it apart from the rest. I don't mind outdated graphics if the game is fun. I have no problem playing old Zelda games. It's the gameplay design that really matters to me.
But, if you want to judge an old game by it's graphics, I'll respect you for that. I'm always excited to see new games myself. That's another reason I'm so into EQ2. It looks incredible.
And as far as majority rules. Nyah. Not for me. To me, my taste rules for me. Not what everyone else is playing.
What I love most about this post is that almost all of things on it that are innovative for EQ2.... they're all in games that came out before EQ2. I could go down the list and name a game for each one of those... in fact I will. The points below are numbered in order from top to bottom:
1) WoW has plenty of quests that involve killing creature A to learn more about it and then moving to B, C, etc... all part of a story arc.
2) AC had creatures that yelled random phrases that were unintelligible.
3) I'll give EQ2 the voiceovers.
4) There's a type of guild ranking system in Linage and DaoC (maybe not to the same degree...)
5) Just about EVERY MMO I've played has items that interact with the environment... even CoH.... and they're pretty skimpy on the environment interactions.
6) Again, every mmo has quests other than go here kill this... and EQ2 has it's fair share of them as well. This point, as a whole, is very weak.
7) AO had very elaborate houses (or apartments as they called them).
8) Combat presentation is your choice... I personally don't feel EQ2's combat engine is any better than WoW or many other mmo's engine. The best one in my opinion is CoH/CoV or Matrix Online (maybe the only thing I like about those two).
9) The EXACT same mentor system is in CoH... and I think I can recall a type of that system in Earth and Beyond.
So yeah... this is my first post, but I was just reading over the boards, came across this, found it so horribly wrong that I had to give my two cents.
1. Shadowbane: Interesting races and features, but I couldn't stand the graphics, interface, and controls.
2. R.O.S.E. Online: Jellybean monsters...just not my thing.
3. Face of Mankind: I don't remember it very well since I tried it over a year ago, but as I recall it was full of PKs and the graphics sucked badly.
4. EverQuest: See EQ2, below. Same reason, except EQ doesn't have particularly lovely graphics, characters, or combat. Leaving only boring, hand-holding quests.
5. Dark Age of Camelot: Part of the reason I started playing MMORPGs is because I love to explore 3D games. Most MMORPGs place no limits on exploration - everything you see, you can walk to. So I was very annoyed when I saw a beautiful lake in DAoC, and hit an invisible collision wall when I tried to go to it. The environment graphics were alright, probably the most realistic I've seen, in a way - the trees and ground somehow made me feel like I was actually in a forest. Combat was boring, though, and I disliked the controls.
6. EverQuest II: Graphics, lovely. Character creation, models, and animation, lovely. Combat, entertaining. Sense of power at being able to solo every boss on the Isle with a wooden stick, priceless. But the gameplay...I hate being led through a game by the nose from one quest to another.
----------- In memory of Laura "Taera" Genender. Passed away on August 13, 2008.
Originally posted by Anofalye Originally posted by Zoay Tbh, the reason that WoW has 40% of the MMO population (not sure if it really is 40%, but I think it sounds about right so ) is because Blizzard made it. They could basically have released a Tetris-remake and still sold 6 million copys of it. That's how famous blizzard is from their old games that they released previously.
That statement has 2 huge flaws.
1 - It is exagerated, if they release a Tetris it would have sell far more than a Tetris should, but no, it would not even reach the 250k sells.
2- It is based on PAST facts. WoW alterate the fanbase, their opinion and how they see Blizzard. I would be extremely surprise if Blizzard even have half the fanbase power they have prior releasing WoW, many players (too many) left WoW with a bitter taste. Short term decisions like raiding ruin a company reputation in the long run, just check at SoE! And Blizzard reputation is still dropping, it is not done yet, many players WILL leave the game in a well spreaded future (not all at once), with a bitter taste in their mouth. Blizzard reputation is never going to be again what it once was (well, at least not for a long time, 'wounds' made by WoW on their fanbase is going to take a while to heal).
Well yeah, I exagerated about the tetris thing, but well you get the point ^^ And your right that their rep has gotten alot worse now 'cause of WoW, but what I meant is that their rep got them most of their copies sold in the beginning, because every blizzard fan out there probably bought WoW and tried it, before they got that bitter taste of it that more and more people are getting.. So they still contributed to the amount of copies sold, before they dropped out.
Originally posted by reavo Okay, innovative things in Everquest 2.
-- Quests that engage you in the environment and atmosphere of the game. Example, quests that get you to collect parts of monsters and study them to learn more about each creature in the world. -- To extend on the last point, when you first encounter monsters in the world each one has their own language that at first sounds like gibberish. As you collect special items (scrolls, notes, etc) from them and study these items you learn a little more of their language. Pretty soon that goblin is taunting you in a language you understand. -- The character voice overs. They're amazing. They give more of an immersion into the game. -- The guild rank system. This allows the guilds to have a common goal towards an achievement status. It keeps my guild busy a lot. Not every guild cares about this, but it's nice that it's there if you want to use it. -- Items that you pick up that can be used to interact with special places in the world. Example, the scrying stones. You find areas of the world that are magical and use the scrying stone to discover treasure and items. -- Quests that are more than just go kill x of these and y of those. I hate quests like that and WoW is poisoned with them. -- My house. Although other games I've played have had housing, I find EQ2's housing much more fun. There are a ton of items to put into your home to personalize it and if it ever gets too small or you don't like the neighborhood your in, you can move. -- The combat. By far the best looking combat of any game I've played. The battles are awesome. Almost like a movie. -- The mentor system. If you want to team with someone of a lower level than you, you can put yourself in mentor mode. Then the monsters on their level are a challenge to you and you get experience. Plus you can teach the cool newbs how to play and catch them up to you.
There, I think that's plenty for now. There's more, trust me. Everytime I play I gain a greater appreciation for the game.
As for EQ1, I'm a little confused by your problems with the graphics. Yeah, they're not the best. But that's not EQ1's claim to fame. It's claim to fame is being around for so long that it's a behemoth in content. There's no way that you could possibly see everything in that game. It's HUGE. I've been playing it forever and still go to new zones and go on new raids and tasks. The graphics are adequate to set a mood. But the character creation and content are what set it apart from the rest. I don't mind outdated graphics if the game is fun. I have no problem playing old Zelda games. It's the gameplay design that really matters to me.
But, if you want to judge an old game by it's graphics, I'll respect you for that. I'm always excited to see new games myself. That's another reason I'm so into EQ2. It looks incredible.
And as far as majority rules. Nyah. Not for me. To me, my taste rules for me. Not what everyone else is playing.
Seeing as how your innovations have been debunked by bigslice, I won't comment on those except to say I agree with him. For the rest, I guess I'll have to break it down even more, because you said you don't understand.
I believe you keep intentionally not understanding the graphics issue I had with EQ. It wasn't old when I bought it. I think perhaps you are digging to find out when I bought EQ. To give you a timeline, Shadowbane was still in beta and about to release. A friend told me how awesome it looked, and I figured it was the same garbage I heard about EQ. EQ was the #1 MMO on the market with little competition except from UO when I bought it, (which UO also sucked). It didn't have a contemporary graphics engine when it released. I was a FPS gamer who was accustomed to using my graphics accelerator with MOST ALL games released, with exception to EQ and UO because they were sprite based graphics. It had a contemporary price tag though, along with monthly fees. I wasn't about to sit there with my top of the line computer looking at sprites. I assumed that MMOs sucked because the two leading contenders both looked like crap. Anyone who says that either program EVER had graphics that could compete with games released in it's day would be lying. Sue me for not looking past the crappy graphics, but I saw nothing intriguing there. A HUGE crappy world, eh? You can have it. Unfortunately, I need more than just the promise of a good game. I also like to enjoy what I'm looking at. That's why I bothered putting an accelerator in my computer when I built it in the first place. It's too bad EQ1 didn't look incerdible when it released as you claim for EQ2.
Funny how things work, your precious EQ could not convince me to play it, yet I beta tested the supposed lesser program, SWG and guess what? I liked MMOs! They didn't suck after all! Maybe it was just that EQ1 had such terrible graphics, I didn't give it a proper chance. Who's fault is that? The developer I'd say. I guess they should have thought about that before selling me a non-accelerated game for full price in a day and age where practically every other game has it standard. That was a bad decision on the part of SOE. Oooops, SOE has made alot of bad decisions haven't they? My primary reason for not wanting to play EQ2 is that SOE runs it. I tasted SOE's brilliance during my time in SWG, and I didn't feel like a second helping.
I went from SWG to CoH. Another game I enjoyed for a time till I saw the redundancy. Bored, I bought WoW because I heard it was good, and Blizzard was behind it. I didn't like Diablo II because they over-did everything in that game. I wasn't sure if I'd like WoW. I never gave EQ2 a second glance on the shelf. I bought it, installed it and began to play. At first I didn't like it because the UI took a bit for me to adjust to. After I made it out of the starter town, I was good to go. I've been hooked ever since, though I have tried other games, looking for better.
So my MMO gameline is such -> UO, EQ, ------------ SWG Beta, SWG, Horizons Beta, CoH Beta, CoH, WoW, GW, CoV
You'll notice a huge gap between the time EQ released and when I went to SWG. That was the period of time I believed MMOs sucked because of the previous two programs. I had more understanding for the lame graphics of UO because it came out well before EQ. EQ had no excuse. It never should have been released with sprites. The technology was there, they just didn't use it. I hope this is all concise enough, so that you no longer fail to understand my reasoning.
Majority rules meant that when you say WoW sucks, there are legions who will disagree with you. I don't play WoW because it is currently the #1 MMO. If that were the case, I'd have played EQ1 more. WoW is in my opinion the best MMO currently on the market, and that's why I continue to play it, until something better comes along. I bought GW and CoV after WoW and found out CoV is CoH with a coat of paint and I did not like the look and feel of GW, so I'm not a WoW fanboi. I'm looking and listening, but I don't see anything better at the moment. I was unaware that so many people hated WoW. but that's cool. To each his own. Understand though, I don't want to convert anybody to WoW. You go ahead and play your EQ2.
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Only MMORPG I have ever not actually made it through the FREE trial on. I mean... it's so bad I'm not even willing to play it for free.... that's BAD.
In Horizons I actually played it for over a month before deciding it wasn't worth playing.
Currently Playing: Dungeons and Dragons Online.
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What might be a better question is what mmos do people actually like?
But to answer one I don't like would have to be WoW.
I liked warcraft, I was so hyped for WoW the whole way through beta, it finally came out, I played it for like 5 months and realised I just wasted 5 months of my life on this game where all I can do now is spend 3+ hours with 39 other guys just to get better equpiment to do it all over again, it almost became a chore near the end.
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you know ive saw about four people saying horizons is worst. its funny because this was my first mmo. it was the the game that bought me into mmos. before i left horizons, i didnt know whats good and whats not. when i went to CoH and saw some 300 people standing all in one location, i knew horizons was in trouble.
i didnt pick horizons for the worst all because the community. it help make the enjoyment of horizons alot better then it really was. alot of people who havent played longer then a month wouldnt really feel the community side of this game.
Have played: CoH, DDO EQ2, FFXI, L2, HZ, SoR, and WW2 online
theres so much of them lol !
DDO ...... i tried it 7 times in closed and open beta. i even tried the 7 day trial just to make sure my opinion was correct. i CANT get to like that game even by forcing myself. NC soft is going to release some titles in the futur. i hope it will make me more happy than those new mmo that are good for nothing. Since WoW. i only liked Auto Assault. but every free sucky players cant play. the game isnt full ... server are always very low... i hate people that only play beta, and then disapear =/
anyone got a good sugestion on mmo that actually got something else than grindage ?
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The worst mmo's eh, hrmmm....Well I gotta say everything by NCsoft and DnD online. Let me Start with Linage2, good looking game actually, I had high hopes for this game, it was my 1st pvp game, but after running into countless numbers of Adena farmers with names like "Hotboy326", and then watching people literally running into guards de-leveling...this was THE most corrupt game I ever played. Who the hell wants to play a game where everyone cheats but you? The box sits on my shelf gathering dust along with other NCsoft titles CoH/CoV. I'de burn the boxes, but they remind me NOT to buy their crap again. I should have just burned 3 50$ bills instead. DnD online, again good looking game, played it for like a week. You can't solo, and allthough I do like to group and socialize, I don't like being forced to. the game was way to small and all instanced??? seemed like they cheated, again another shelfdustgatherer
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WoW, loved it, loved the pvp, played every race and class, what was there like 4? lol, and they are Finaly making an expansion soon....who cares! I couldn't do all those same "barrens" quest again w/o puking.
Everquest 1, played 5 years...nuff said, EQ2 played it liked a month, this was the only game I ever pre-ordered. I won't make that mistake again. What was it I didn't like? well maybe it was they made the game stupid, it was sooo dumbed down, with the grouped mobs circled etc. just seemed rediculas. Other then that I hink it was the invisable walls the game designers put up that put me off, everyone goes here, then there, then here, the game was on rails. I did like the crafting,and the Inn room thing was cool. Was it just me or did the characters just all look stupid? Highly detailed but corney.
The other dustgatherers on my shelf are: Daoc, Sor, Swg, Ao, Ac,
"I want Evercrack on Steroids"
Played: WoW, DAoc, EQ2, Nexus, Vanguard, Ryzom, Auto Assault
Future: PoTBS, WAR
Also dislike WoW, because I feel it wailed to live up to the true Warcraft heritige...to damn easy...community is not for me.
I don't play any mmorpg's atm,
my wife still plays EQ2.
I'm waiting for a game that is challenge...for all the crap EQ1 gets on theses boards at least it was hardcore, ya hada think at that game. I didn't mind looking up quests at fansites, was allways a good feeling when ya found an obscure quest no one else heard of. I was probably only Shadowknight on the Server with 40% haste belt for a long long time.
I play Civ4 now, cuz I got nothing else to do but wait till the next mmorpg comes out, and after all the crap I've bought that sits on my shelf mocking me
, I've decided it is a free trial or I'm not buying it. I'm tired of burning 50$ bills 
"I want Evercrack on Steroids"
Hahaha, that's genuinely funny!
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Ahh well... such is life.
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/agree !
NCsoft is a breeding ground for good looking, yet unfulfilling games!
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I'd have to say Horizons was the biggest letdown for me. I supported that game completely until I actually got to play it. It just seemed there was too much conflict within the office.
But truthfully I've never been addicted to an MMORPG. I can play a few months then nothing.... The concept itself intrigues me but Ive yet to play a good enough game to grab my attention for an extended time. Im still waiting for that game.
Im a big fan of Simutronics, I think Hero's Journey looks promising.
Where to begin.
I heard loads of praise about EQ. How awesome it was and such. When I bought it and loaded it, it was not what I expected. It was so graphically ugly I couldn't handle playing it. Now, for those of you who say "Don't judge a book by it's cover", why don't you buy a car that's beatup on the outside, but has a good engine? A program is more than just gameplay, it's every aspect, including graphics. EQ came out in a time where graphic acceleration was standard, and yet they used sprites. Sorry, I'm not about to pay for outdated graphics in games of yesterday with today's prices. EQ left such a bad taste in my mouth, I swore off MMOs for quite some time, till someone got me involved in a beta of another MMO.
I bought WoW on a whim because I was bored with CoH. I actually didn't like it at first either but it wasn't butt ugly to look at. Had I played EQ longer, perhaps I might have seen some of the gameplay you speak of, but they lost me at the loading screen. If I am to speak of my least favorite MMO, then the one that comes to my mind is the ugly one I bought and never played, and the name is EQ.
I am challenged to say what innovations WoW brought. There are none I can speak of. You now play EQ2. Where's the innovation there? Same answer from you I'd wager. Next to me I have sitting another EQ player and he also plays EQ2 and wants nothing to do with WoW. Is that denial, envy, or jealosy? I don't know. Why the former crown kings of MMOs have a problem with the new king I'll leave you to ponder. All I know is that EQ may have had lots of things to do, but after how many expansions? WoW is still new, and they are about to release their 1st expansion. He said himself there's no comparing the EQ and WoW. There are only the masses playing WoW, and all others are minorities at the moment. Majority rules I'd say.
My original post stands. I didn't like EQ. I don't understand all the hate of WoW. My age has no place in here. I didn't feel like engaging in a discussion here, only to give my two cents. I forget about the trolling that goes on in these forums. I shall not bother you all with my opinions any more because you obviously are only looking to entertain yourselves instead of seeing things from someone else's perspective.
So long.
Okay, innovative things in Everquest 2.
-- Quests that engage you in the environment and atmosphere of the game. Example, quests that get you to collect parts of monsters and study them to learn more about each creature in the world.
-- To extend on the last point, when you first encounter monsters in the world each one has their own language that at first sounds like gibberish. As you collect special items (scrolls, notes, etc) from them and study these items you learn a little more of their language. Pretty soon that goblin is taunting you in a language you understand.
-- The character voice overs. They're amazing. They give more of an immersion into the game.
-- The guild rank system. This allows the guilds to have a common goal towards an achievement status. It keeps my guild busy a lot. Not every guild cares about this, but it's nice that it's there if you want to use it.
-- Items that you pick up that can be used to interact with special places in the world. Example, the scrying stones. You find areas of the world that are magical and use the scrying stone to discover treasure and items.
-- Quests that are more than just go kill x of these and y of those. I hate quests like that and WoW is poisoned with them.
-- My house. Although other games I've played have had housing, I find EQ2's housing much more fun. There are a ton of items to put into your home to personalize it and if it ever gets too small or you don't like the neighborhood your in, you can move.
-- The combat. By far the best looking combat of any game I've played. The battles are awesome. Almost like a movie.
-- The mentor system. If you want to team with someone of a lower level than you, you can put yourself in mentor mode. Then the monsters on their level are a challenge to you and you get experience. Plus you can teach the cool newbs how to play and catch them up to you.
There, I think that's plenty for now. There's more, trust me. Everytime I play I gain a greater appreciation for the game.
As for EQ1, I'm a little confused by your problems with the graphics. Yeah, they're not the best. But that's not EQ1's claim to fame. It's claim to fame is being around for so long that it's a behemoth in content. There's no way that you could possibly see everything in that game. It's HUGE. I've been playing it forever and still go to new zones and go on new raids and tasks. The graphics are adequate to set a mood. But the character creation and content are what set it apart from the rest. I don't mind outdated graphics if the game is fun. I have no problem playing old Zelda games. It's the gameplay design that really matters to me.
But, if you want to judge an old game by it's graphics, I'll respect you for that. I'm always excited to see new games myself. That's another reason I'm so into EQ2. It looks incredible.
And as far as majority rules. Nyah. Not for me. To me, my taste rules for me. Not what everyone else is playing.
Ive never been a fan of loosing XP when I die. Hours and hours of mindless leveling then loose it all when the fighter LDs. Lame plot, annoying cutscenes, terrible graphics engine, lots of lag, very slow mindless leveling treadmill, freakish models.
One good thing though, the auctionhouse. Best auctionhouse Ive seen in any game.
World of Warcraft: Very decent game, good graphics, to me poor game play, questing is discusting, to many Chinese Gold farmers, Quit the g ame after 4 60's
Everquest: Like an earlier post, to much downtime medding, litteraly took 20 minutes to med at lvl 4.... pathetic, played from launch till gates of discord, New graphics,Char models, spell graphics made the game suck to me, enjoyed the old EQ better
Everquest 2: To much like EQ boring, awful graphics (to me) quest system sucks
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What I love most about this post is that almost all of
things on it that are innovative for EQ2.... they're all in games that came out
before EQ2. I could go down the list and name a game for each one of
those... in fact I will. The points below are numbered in order from top
to bottom:
1) WoW has plenty of quests that involve killing creature A to learn more about
it and then moving to B, C, etc... all part of a story arc.
2) AC had creatures that yelled random phrases that were unintelligible.
3) I'll give EQ2 the voiceovers.
4) There's a type of guild ranking system in Linage and DaoC (maybe not to the
same degree...)
5) Just about EVERY MMO I've played has items that interact with the environment...
even CoH.... and they're pretty skimpy on the environment interactions.
6) Again, every mmo has quests other than go here kill this... and EQ2 has it's
fair share of them as well. This point, as a whole, is very weak.
7) AO had very elaborate houses (or apartments as they called them).
8) Combat presentation is your choice... I personally don't feel EQ2's combat
engine is any better than WoW or many other mmo's engine. The best one in
my opinion is CoH/CoV or Matrix Online (maybe the only thing I like about those
two).
9) The EXACT same mentor system is in CoH... and I think I can recall a
type of that system in Earth and Beyond.
So yeah... this is my first post, but I was just reading over the boards, came
across this, found it so horribly wrong that I had to give my two cents.
1. Shadowbane: Interesting races and features, but I couldn't stand the graphics, interface, and controls.
2. R.O.S.E. Online: Jellybean monsters...just not my thing.
3. Face of Mankind: I don't remember it very well since I tried it over a year ago, but as I recall it was full of PKs and the graphics sucked badly.
4. EverQuest: See EQ2, below. Same reason, except EQ doesn't have particularly lovely graphics, characters, or combat. Leaving only boring, hand-holding quests.
5. Dark Age of Camelot: Part of the reason I started playing MMORPGs is because I love to explore 3D games. Most MMORPGs place no limits on exploration - everything you see, you can walk to. So I was very annoyed when I saw a beautiful lake in DAoC, and hit an invisible collision wall when I tried to go to it. The environment graphics were alright, probably the most realistic I've seen, in a way - the trees and ground somehow made me feel like I was actually in a forest. Combat was boring, though, and I disliked the controls.
6. EverQuest II: Graphics, lovely. Character creation, models, and animation, lovely. Combat, entertaining. Sense of power at being able to solo every boss on the Isle with a wooden stick, priceless.
But the gameplay...I hate being led through a game by the nose from one quest to another.
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That statement has 2 huge flaws.
1 - It is exagerated, if they release a Tetris it would have sell far more than a Tetris should, but no, it would not even reach the 250k sells.
2- It is based on PAST facts. WoW alterate the fanbase, their opinion and how they see Blizzard. I would be extremely surprise if Blizzard even have half the fanbase power they have prior releasing WoW, many players (too many) left WoW with a bitter taste. Short term decisions like raiding ruin a company reputation in the long run, just check at SoE! And Blizzard reputation is still dropping, it is not done yet, many players WILL leave the game in a well spreaded future (not all at once), with a bitter taste in their mouth. Blizzard reputation is never going to be again what it once was (well, at least not for a long time, 'wounds' made by WoW on their fanbase is going to take a while to heal).
Well yeah, I exagerated about the tetris thing, but well you get the point ^^ And your right that their rep has gotten alot worse now 'cause of WoW, but what I meant is that their rep got them most of their copies sold in the beginning, because every blizzard fan out there probably bought WoW and tried it, before they got that bitter taste of it that more and more people are getting.. So they still contributed to the amount of copies sold, before they dropped out.
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Seeing as how your innovations have been debunked by bigslice, I won't comment on those except to say I agree with him. For the rest, I guess I'll have to break it down even more, because you said you don't understand.
I believe you keep intentionally not understanding the graphics issue I had with EQ. It wasn't old when I bought it. I think perhaps you are digging to find out when I bought EQ. To give you a timeline, Shadowbane was still in beta and about to release. A friend told me how awesome it looked, and I figured it was the same garbage I heard about EQ. EQ was the #1 MMO on the market with little competition except from UO when I bought it, (which UO also sucked). It didn't have a contemporary graphics engine when it released. I was a FPS gamer who was accustomed to using my graphics accelerator with MOST ALL games released, with exception to EQ and UO because they were sprite based graphics. It had a contemporary price tag though, along with monthly fees. I wasn't about to sit there with my top of the line computer looking at sprites. I assumed that MMOs sucked because the two leading contenders both looked like crap. Anyone who says that either program EVER had graphics that could compete with games released in it's day would be lying. Sue me for not looking past the crappy graphics, but I saw nothing intriguing there. A HUGE crappy world, eh? You can have it. Unfortunately, I need more than just the promise of a good game. I also like to enjoy what I'm looking at. That's why I bothered putting an accelerator in my computer when I built it in the first place. It's too bad EQ1 didn't look incerdible when it released as you claim for EQ2.
Funny how things work, your precious EQ could not convince me to play it, yet I beta tested the supposed lesser program, SWG and guess what? I liked MMOs! They didn't suck after all! Maybe it was just that EQ1 had such terrible graphics, I didn't give it a proper chance. Who's fault is that? The developer I'd say. I guess they should have thought about that before selling me a non-accelerated game for full price in a day and age where practically every other game has it standard. That was a bad decision on the part of SOE. Oooops, SOE has made alot of bad decisions haven't they? My primary reason for not wanting to play EQ2 is that SOE runs it. I tasted SOE's brilliance during my time in SWG, and I didn't feel like a second helping.
I went from SWG to CoH. Another game I enjoyed for a time till I saw the redundancy. Bored, I bought WoW because I heard it was good, and Blizzard was behind it. I didn't like Diablo II because they over-did everything in that game. I wasn't sure if I'd like WoW. I never gave EQ2 a second glance on the shelf. I bought it, installed it and began to play. At first I didn't like it because the UI took a bit for me to adjust to. After I made it out of the starter town, I was good to go. I've been hooked ever since, though I have tried other games, looking for better.
So my MMO gameline is such -> UO, EQ, ------------ SWG Beta, SWG, Horizons Beta, CoH Beta, CoH, WoW, GW, CoV
You'll notice a huge gap between the time EQ released and when I went to SWG. That was the period of time I believed MMOs sucked because of the previous two programs. I had more understanding for the lame graphics of UO because it came out well before EQ. EQ had no excuse. It never should have been released with sprites. The technology was there, they just didn't use it. I hope this is all concise enough, so that you no longer fail to understand my reasoning.
Majority rules meant that when you say WoW sucks, there are legions who will disagree with you. I don't play WoW because it is currently the #1 MMO. If that were the case, I'd have played EQ1 more. WoW is in my opinion the best MMO currently on the market, and that's why I continue to play it, until something better comes along. I bought GW and CoV after WoW and found out CoV is CoH with a coat of paint and I did not like the look and feel of GW, so I'm not a WoW fanboi. I'm looking and listening, but I don't see anything better at the moment. I was unaware that so many people hated WoW. but that's cool. To each his own. Understand though, I don't want to convert anybody to WoW. You go ahead and play your EQ2.
Have a nice day.