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The Eorzea Prospect - The Eorzea Prospect: Is Final Fantasy XIV a WoW Clone? - MMORPG.com

SBFordSBFord Former Associate EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 33,129
edited June 2019 in News & Features Discussion

imageThe Eorzea Prospect - The Eorzea Prospect: Is Final Fantasy XIV a WoW Clone? - MMORPG.com

The term WoW clone gets thrown around a lot, but does it mean what people think it means, or are they using it as a derogatory comment? Not only have I’ve seen it the past few weeks in the comments of this very column, I see it from my friends as well, and frankly it’s sad. Comments aside, at least we only have Six days left until Head Start!!

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  • BadSpockBadSpock Member UncommonPosts: 7,979
    I played BfA for about a week before I was done, got halfway to the next max level I think, and the expac before I also played for about a week after it came out, ended up going back later to level a toon to the max later. Overall, I've played WoW off and on since the release date back in 2004.

    FFXIV I have played for 2 months pretty much every day, completed the MSQ (Main Story Quest) and just leveled a 2nd job to 70 in prep for Shadowbringers.

    One of the biggest differences to me is that I play FFXIV on PS4, so on the couch with Controller and it has a profound impact vs. PC kb/mouse. The slower pace of FFXIV combat is perfect.

    That being said, I've only done trials/dungeons on 'hard' for the MSQ, never on 'Extreme' and never for current content (like raiding.)

    As I've been playing catch up 100%, Shadowbringers will be my first FFXIV experience on "new" content along with the rest of the playerbase.

    The thing that separates WoW from FFXIV for me is more than just the intelligent systems and complexity underneath the surface, the visuals and story and music and sound etc. just blow WoW out of the water, IMO.

    The character models and animations are just perfect. The world design and environmental aesthetics are second to none.

    It cannot be overstated how much of powerful feature the job-change mechanic is.

    I do wish there were more efficient / fun ways to level up alt DM/DW jobs than dungeon grinding, daily roulettes, and PotD/HoH.

    I'd like to see FATE chains more akin to event chains in GW2. I only remember finding one near Ishgarde.

    I think they could do a lot more with Leves akin to the Part finder - queue up a bunch of Leves, party finder to match with 3 more people, run through a dozen or so Leves in the same region, etc.

    Maybe it's there and I just missed it?

    I'm excited af for Shadowbringers. I've got early access starting Friday, and I'm already having withdrawal not playing every day but I've pretty much run out of meaningful "prep" to do that isn't just more grinding for thing I'll end up replacing in the first few hours.
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  • LucixLucix Member UncommonPosts: 79
    Wow this articles title, and the conclusion. Couldn't be more clickbait than this, so ridiculously bad.
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  • PhryPhry Member LegendaryPosts: 11,004
    The game is not a WoW clone, you'd have to loosen the definition of a WoW clone to mean virtually any type of game that is a fantasy based MMO otherwise. BfA has just about finished off WoW, its a dying game, which is the total opposite of what is happening in FFXIV:ARR which is a healthy thriving game which likely has a larger number of paying subscribers than WoW does at this point. :/
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  • UtinniUtinni Member EpicPosts: 2,209
    Why would you publish an article defending a point that almost no one is making? So weird.
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  • retiredmjretiredmj Member UncommonPosts: 160
    edited June 2019
    Wow, this is sad. Must be trouble coming up with material, Chris? If you're looking for clones why not actually compare a decent clone job like how ESO has copy pasta'd GW2?
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  • timeraidertimeraider Member UncommonPosts: 865

    BadSpock said:

    I played BfA for about a week before I was done, got halfway to the next max level I think, and the expac before I also played for about a week after it came out, ended up going back later to level a toon to the max later. Overall, I've played WoW off and on since the release date back in 2004.



    FFXIV I have played for 2 months pretty much every day, completed the MSQ (Main Story Quest) and just leveled a 2nd job to 70 in prep for Shadowbringers.



    One of the biggest differences to me is that I play FFXIV on PS4, so on the couch with Controller and it has a profound impact vs. PC kb/mouse. The slower pace of FFXIV combat is perfect.



    That being said, I've only done trials/dungeons on 'hard' for the MSQ, never on 'Extreme' and never for current content (like raiding.)



    As I've been playing catch up 100%, Shadowbringers will be my first FFXIV experience on "new" content along with the rest of the playerbase.



    The thing that separates WoW from FFXIV for me is more than just the intelligent systems and complexity underneath the surface, the visuals and story and music and sound etc. just blow WoW out of the water, IMO.



    The character models and animations are just perfect. The world design and environmental aesthetics are second to none.



    It cannot be overstated how much of powerful feature the job-change mechanic is.



    I do wish there were more efficient / fun ways to level up alt DM/DW jobs than dungeon grinding, daily roulettes, and PotD/HoH.



    I'd like to see FATE chains more akin to event chains in GW2. I only remember finding one near Ishgarde.



    I think they could do a lot more with Leves akin to the Part finder - queue up a bunch of Leves, party finder to match with 3 more people, run through a dozen or so Leves in the same region, etc.



    Maybe it's there and I just missed it?



    I'm excited af for Shadowbringers. I've got early access starting Friday, and I'm already having withdrawal not playing every day but I've pretty much run out of meaningful "prep" to do that isn't just more grinding for thing I'll end up replacing in the first few hours.



    Agree on this.

    And yeah, atm leves are kinda for a bit of leveling now and then and crafting leves for quick-leveling that stuff.
    Unless youre gathering relic weapons, which is 100% optional, you have not a single reason to do leves sadly
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  • dekkion1dekkion1 Member UncommonPosts: 152
    you guys are retarded for even responding to the crap....
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  • NexeusSNexeusS Member UncommonPosts: 88
    If you're gonna classify FFXIV as WoW clone, then you should classify first WoW as clone to EQ because you know, according to Blizzard devs... they took very huge inspiration from EQ in the making of WoW so there's that :>

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  • znushuznushu Member UncommonPosts: 18
    The only clone here is WoW since back in the day the product did infact make a clone of Everquest 1 but more friendly towards the casual demographic. Most of the designs copied off of everquest though were later removed in future expansions, with the last being removed around the cataclysm expansion.
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  • AnirethAnireth Member UncommonPosts: 940
    I admit i played neither FF XIV nor WoW all that much. Maybe both show their unique qualities once you reach a certain point. Might even be that i played FF XIV before it was relaunched. So who knows.

    But from all that i've seen, that question is easy to answer: Yes it is a WoW clone, very much so. Of course it has Final Fantasy influences, but nobody ever claimed other MMORPGs are WoW clones because of the story or the overall settings. And the mechanics felt exactly the same as hundreds of other games that were released after WoW.

    And i've never seen Final Fantasy games being called "slow". Of course there are cool downs and stuff, but usually, they offer way more interaction. You have to hastily select the right spell from a menu like three levels down, or punch like a 20 button combo at the exact right time to power up your move etc.

    The very fact that FF XIV is called "slow" just shows how much they adjusted the mechanics to fit the common MMO scheme. It's not WoW with a Final Fantasy skin, but IMHO it fits the common "WoW clone" trope quite nicely.
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  • AkulasAkulas Member RarePosts: 3,029
    FFXIV got WoWified but it's not a WoW clone. Had to make it more accessible otherwise there would be the hardware story guy + 2 friends playing on their day off and no one else.
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  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,439
    edited June 2019
    FF XIV does not have to be a clone of WoW to be very influenced by it, WoW set a direction of travel and FF IV is one of the few along with the likes of Lotro that did something rather different. But they still followed the path set out by WoW they were not radical departures.
  • RidelynnRidelynn Member EpicPosts: 7,383
    They are different enough that I like one and can only tolerate the other.

    the fun part is, which title is which flips about every 9 months
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  • XasapisXasapis Member RarePosts: 6,337
    Can you call something a clone if you are like me and haven't touched the "original" since 2008 and have no idea how the current iteration looks like?
  • Viper482Viper482 Member LegendaryPosts: 4,101
    edited June 2019
    Rift could be considered a true WoW clone, even then not entirely....FFXIV is nowhere near it. Unless you are talking about the quest markers above the heads of PC's, because that is where the comparison stops.
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  • KajidourdenKajidourden Member EpicPosts: 3,030
    edited June 2019
    The endgame formula for FFXIV is 100% copy/paste from WoW, Yoshi-P has said as much on several occasions.

    It is not literally a 1:1 in every single aspect but it definitely is in the only way that matters, endgame.  To ignore all the similarities is just being willfully obtuse.
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  • Viper482Viper482 Member LegendaryPosts: 4,101
    edited June 2019
    The endgame formula for FFXIV is 100% copy/paste from WoW, Yoshi-P has said as much on several occasions.

    It is not literally a 1:1 of course but to ignore all the similarities is just being willfully obtuse.

    There is a difference between using the some of the same concepts/mechanics that work and being an outright clone. HUGE difference. This is like saying a corvette is a clone of a corolla because they both have tires and an engine. Of course they will both have some of the same things, they are MMO's. 

    And the "endgame formula" is extremely vague. I would like to see this quote where he said he copied 100% of WoW's endgame into FFXIV. 
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  • KajidourdenKajidourden Member EpicPosts: 3,030
    Viper482 said:
    The endgame formula for FFXIV is 100% copy/paste from WoW, Yoshi-P has said as much on several occasions.

    It is not literally a 1:1 of course but to ignore all the similarities is just being willfully obtuse.

    There is a difference between using the some of the same concepts/mechanics that work and being an outright clone. HUGE difference. This is like saying a corvette is a clone of a corolla because they both have tires and an engine. Of course they will both have some of the same things, they are MMO's. 

    And the "endgame formula" is extremely vague. I would like to see this quote where he said he copied 100% of WoW's endgame into FFXIV. 
    Awful metaphor.  More like the fact that a lexus and a toyota have the same engine.  The most important part is so close to being the same that it doesn't even matter.
  • foxgirlfoxgirl Member RarePosts: 485
    Anyone that claims FF14 is a wow clone obviously has never played it and just throws the term around about any fantasy MMO.
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  • Jamar870Jamar870 Member UncommonPosts: 573
    Well I like FFXIV and I have played WoW for nigh on 10 years and that was nonstop for atleast 8 of them. Current WoW I' m like "it's ok, deversion from FFXIV I can play around in til new content". I'll be putting in time on both plus classic. In general and vague terms WoW and FFXIV share alot but there are big enough differences to seperate them.
  • HashbrickHashbrick Member RarePosts: 1,851
    edited June 2019
    Wow those gold mine veins must be tapped empty...bone dry Wilson bone dry

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    You guys censor voice now?  Big yikes
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  • DragnelusDragnelus Member EpicPosts: 3,503
    And temtem is a pokemon clone?  :*

  • gervaise1gervaise1 Member EpicPosts: 6,919
    edited June 2019
    If WoW is a clone of D&D then FFXIV is a clone of "Empire of the Petal Throne"; the land of Tekumel, with thousands of pages of history, its own language - and a critical hit on a 20!

    (To put this into context EotPT was first published 6 weeks after D&D and commercially by TSR in 1975. (Arguably too expensive sadly.)
  • gervaise1gervaise1 Member EpicPosts: 6,919

    Scot said:

    FF XIV does not have to be a clone of WoW to be very influenced by it, WoW set a direction of travel and FF IV is one of the few along with the likes of Lotro that did something rather different. But they still followed the path set out by WoW they were not radical departures.



    Final Fantasy I was published in 1987 and FFXI was launched in May 2002 - so before WoW. @Wizardry might be able to compare the two back then. Probably fare to say though that Final Fantasy had established its own path by then.
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  • GruntyGrunty Member EpicPosts: 8,657
    I saw that thread title and thought this was a delet2350 thread.
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