Originally posted by xPaladin Originally posted by Obraik Because the forums have always been a GREAT representation of people in-game People I talk to in game ARE excited about the Restuss event.
And I bet you think people you talk to are the "silent majority"?
Hate to break it to you, but post-CU, any Koster-ish argument about the "vocal minority" is complete crap. I don't think the "vocal minority" theory considered the effects from repeatedly screwing the playerbase in the ass.
Considering out of the many I asked only 2 or 3 said they're not really looking forward to it, yes I would say the whole "Silent Majority, Vocal Minority" thing still takes place.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled - Some deluded SWG fanboi who pities me. I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too. 09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
Originally posted by Obraik Bombed at E3? Hardly, they achieved what they set out to do, which was to show this new event...
Don't you think this side-steps the point, Obraik? The point is that a "player event" is not an E3-worthy announcement, not something that should be "everything" to be announced for a major title like "Star Wars: Galaxies." In the face of so many other games progressing, SOE/LA's sole announcement of a single "player event" was just pathetic (whether you're capable of admitting it or not). There are so many people who will see this as just a ploy to have kept subscriptions going for a little longer, giving people hope that they were really going to do something to "shake up" the game as you all know it. I think all they succeeded in shaking up is the faith of a few more subscribers.
Originally posted by Obraik ...The game is nearly 3 years old, there's no way it can possibly compete for news titles with the likes of the Wii which are new and fresh.
I could clearly envision even Smedley and Torres themselves giving you an argument there, Obraik. It would go something like this: "The NGE changed the face of the 'Star Wars: Galaxies' experience so much that it could really be considered an entirely new MMO." For an entirely new MMO that's only 6 months old, you'd think they'd be able to compete for news with other, contemparay titles with something more than just a "player event".
For whatever reason, SOE appears to be no longer behind this title. They are allocating it minimum resources, and I personally believe the lackluster showing at E3 concerning SWG is a shining example of that policy. If what they announced at E3 excites you, and you feel it was worth waiting for, then you're exactly the target audience they are looking for. The reason we will never agree on any of these topics is just because the rest of us have higher standards.
-------------------------------------------------------------------- As ye SOE, so shall ye weep.
Originally posted by Vexin Originally posted by Obraik Bombed at E3? Hardly, they achieved what they set out to do, which was to show this new event...
Don't you think this side-steps the point, Obraik? The point is that a "player event" is not an E3-worthy announcement, not something that should be "everything" to be announced for a major title like "Star Wars: Galaxies." In the face of so many other games progressing, SOE/LA's sole announcement of a single "player event" was just pathetic (whether you're capable of admitting it or not). There are so many people who will see this as just a ploy to have kept subscriptions going for a little longer, giving people hope that they were really going to do something to "shake up" the game as you all know it. I think all they succeeded in shaking up is the faith of a few more subscribers.
This is the most coverage SWG has had at E3 since they were planning JTL. SWG was at E3 because SOE and LA were. They probably thought they were going to E3 to show off their new games, they might as well bring SWG along too to show it off in the background. It can't hurt...and it didn't.
Originally posted by Obraik ...The game is nearly 3 years old, there's no way it can possibly compete for news titles with the likes of the Wii which are new and fresh.
I could clearly envision even Smedley and Torres themselves giving you an argument there, Obraik. It would go something like this: "The NGE changed the face of the 'Star Wars: Galaxies' experience so much that it could really be considered an entirely new MMO." For an entirely new MMO that's only 6 months old, you'd think they'd be able to compete for news with other, contemparay titles with something more than just a "player event".
It's an old game with a new revamp. Maybe Smedley and Torres would say something like that, but at the end of the day it's still an old game. If you haven't played the game before and have only seen it at something like an E3 booth, it doesn't look any different to what it did 3 years ago.
For whatever reason, SOE appears to be no longer behind this title. They are allocating it minimum resources, and I personally believe the lackluster showing at E3 concerning SWG is a shining example of that policy. If what they announced at E3 excites you, and you feel it was worth waiting for, then you're exactly the target audience they are looking for. The reason we will never agree on any of these topics is just because the rest of us have higher standards.
As I said earlier, this is the most coverage SWG has had at E3 since JTL was being made. I knew all along that this was what was being showen (they had posted that many times on the forums), it's hard to be dissapointed when you already know what to expect
Originally posted by Gravez Originally posted by Xcathdra Isn't the guy in the video Rogue_5? I thought it was... If it is... Well, another piece of the puzzle falls into place..
Xcathdra
I think he was looking for anyone who gave a crap about the game or the garbage demo that his eyes were bugging out. That plug looks like total desperation. ROFL
And I was thinking it was just me imagining that he looked a bit stressed and shifty.
OK to be fair we don't know how the interviewer approached him or how much time he was given to do the pitch (Hey, grant, could you do like 45 seconds on SWG?) buuuut, as he's one of several head honchos down at the OhGodNoes ranch, you'd kind of expect him to have it pretty well rehearsed and, what's that word he likes... POLISHED.
Still, it was real good to see him finally tell us that we can pilot the Death Star, use Star Destroyers, nuke whole planets and much much more... What? You didn't catch that bit? When he gushes "Anything you seen in the movies you can come and do in our world"
I want my Uncle Owen hoverchair....
********************* So, you all sat in camps and that was fun? *********************
I think the theory that putting a bunch of monkeys in front of typewriters and letting them punch at the keys and eventually they'll come up with Shakespeare has been proven wrong by the monkeys they had developing SWG. Looks like the typing-pool is down to one monkey with the lack of expansion or anything new and meaningful for the game being shown at E3.
This pvp little battlefield they got planned bores me so utterly. Maybe if they blew up most of the cities and let players only hang out in one imp and one reb city on one planet, they might be able to bring back the sense of a population into the game.
The best thing they could do for the game is pull the plug and bring out the guillotine for those responsible for this failure of a game called SWG.
Originally posted by Obraik Originally posted by xPaladin @Obraik:
And just how many people did you ask?
Around 30-40, yesterday
K.
I'll start with a fact: I happen to know, factually, a minimum of 27 accounts cancelled post-NGE, only one of which is mine. I could be an ass and say that I know well over a hundred or so -- and I do, as I've gone through several iterations of friends lists throughout my SWG career -- but I can literally confirm that these accounts are dead, and will only include these 27. I will be merciful and say that the rest are "unconfirmed."
And now I'll skew a little, but I think (based on your attitude) you know the truth: these boards are flooded with a little more than a few dozen dissidents, not counting myself. In fact, I'd be willing to bet you could name them offhand, and with little effort. I'm sure I can name 10, not including myself, off the top of my head.
And now for the twist of the knife. Subscription numbers are down drastically (let's assume you're right and there are 250k subscribers playing SWG currently) from pre/post-CU peak. That's 50k people that disagree with you on a base level. Perhaps more, perhaps less. In fact, I'll even give you this point. I'll chalk up these numbers to be meaningless, despite the fact that SOE's negative reputation -- which came from somewhere -- is actually hampering its other games, including EverQuest II.
My point is that the people most vocal about the game already left. The only people left are the hardcore, rabid fans who are willing to put up with the dogpile that is SWG simply because it is Star Wars. So of course all the people still playing are looking forward to the content. Really, they haven't gotten much else from SOE.
I liken it to purposely starving a dog, and then throwing little tiny bits of crappy meat at it. The dog loves the meat and the master, regardless of how crappy the meat is. The dog eats it because it is meat, and without it, the dog will die. That's really the only reason anyone is still playing that damn game -- SOE managed to convince people that the meat is still worth eating, and having a monopoly on the brand of meat certainly doesn't hurt either. Anyone who is still playing the NGE is eating premium alpo, aged in the open about 3 years. And they know it.
-- xpaladin
[MMOz] AC1/2, AO, DAoC, EQ1/2, SoR, SWG, UO, WAR, WoW
The Lucas Arts / SOE team told us all along they were not going to develope an MMO like any other. They have repeatedly done things while proudly saying no other MMO in history had ever done it. We the players tried to tell them WHY no other company had ever done it but they in their great wisdom ignored us. They are artists. If that is the case then SWG is where they spilt their paint.
From even before launch it was clear SWG was a milk machine for them and not a quality product.
The idea of a framework from which to launch other games was awesome.
The space game was good, though it lacked content.
The ground game sucked because they abandoned everthing that came before.
A long time ago in a company far far away intelligent and talented people knew to learn from history. I'm hoping the SWG experience will serve as a warning that even a sure thing ( millions of customers still beg for a compitient product ) can be lost if you give the wrong people the wrong job.
Originally posted by Obraik Originally posted by Vexin Originally posted by Obraik
Bombed at E3? Hardly, they achieved what they set out to do, which was to show this new event...
Don't you think this side-steps the point, Obraik? The point is that a "player event" is not an E3-worthy announcement, not something that should be "everything" to be announced for a major title like "Star Wars: Galaxies." In the face of so many other games progressing, SOE/LA's sole announcement of a single "player event" was just pathetic (whether you're capable of admitting it or not). There are so many people who will see this as just a ploy to have kept subscriptions going for a little longer, giving people hope that they were really going to do something to "shake up" the game as you all know it. I think all they succeeded in shaking up is the faith of a few more subscribers.
This is the most coverage SWG has had at E3 since they were planning JTL. SWG was at E3 because SOE and LA were. They probably thought they were going to E3 to show off their new games, they might as well bring SWG along too to show it off in the background. It can't hurt...and it didn't.
Yes, it did hurt, Obraik. It took valuable dev time away from the fixing and polishing exercise that's been going on since November. That's the "6 months and things will be golden - oh, hold on, could we have another 6 months and we're hoping to make it better" exercise.
It hurt because it has delayed code going out to test for the next expansion. By definition that's a delay, a hold up, an unplanned interuption. What's worse is that AT THE BEGINNING of the week they were promising "without further delay". Then because 'most' of the devs were up at E3 the customers were told 'ah hell, you can wait..."
It also hurt because the perception of SWG in various games websites is that SWG was either a no show or a non-event at E3.
Older games were getting expansions launched. E3 is about what's new, what's evolving, what's up and coming. SWG even being there was a farce if they had no intention of doing much more than publicising an ingame event and a bit of a patch...
Now we can rant all we want about it out here. We can comment, carefully, onthe official boards, but what matters is that over the next few weeks the game media will be trawling thru the newsfeeds and aggregate sites and, if they find any reference to SWG at all it's either old old old E3 stuff or a few references to this years farago.
And THAT is what is going to hurt. Six months after NGE hit the game media were still printing articles that referred to it as 'having just happened'. It takes a ridiculously long time for news to get from word of mouth and digital media and into the print media. And if, in six months time, SWG is being referred to as 'a dead duck', a non event, stale, tired, lacking... then that is going to hurt.
Originally posted by Obraik ...The game is nearly 3 years old, there's no way it can possibly compete for news titles with the likes of the Wii which are new and fresh.
I could clearly envision even Smedley and Torres themselves giving you an argument there, Obraik. It would go something like this: "The NGE changed the face of the 'Star Wars: Galaxies' experience so much that it could really be considered an entirely new MMO." For an entirely new MMO that's only 6 months old, you'd think they'd be able to compete for news with other, contemparay titles with something more than just a "player event".
It's an old game with a new revamp. Maybe Smedley and Torres would say something like that, but at the end of the day it's still an old game. If you haven't played the game before and have only seen it at something like an E3 booth, it doesn't look any different to what it did 3 years ago.
Exactly, so why take your tired old grandmother along to an acid house rave with the cool young kids? She's going to stand out like a wee scented lavender rinsed throwback to the Dark Ages.
For whatever reason, SOE appears to be no longer behind this title. They are allocating it minimum resources, and I personally believe the lackluster showing at E3 concerning SWG is a shining example of that policy. If what they announced at E3 excites you, and you feel it was worth waiting for, then you're exactly the target audience they are looking for. The reason we will never agree on any of these topics is just because the rest of us have higher standards.
As I said earlier, this is the most coverage SWG has had at E3 since JTL was being made. I knew all along that this was what was being showen (they had posted that many times on the forums), it's hard to be dissapointed when you already know what to expect
Can you give links to the posts on the forums that said "at E3 we're showcasing an ingame event" as opposed to the ones that just mumbled something vague about "it's going to be big news" "It'll go with a bang" "It's been a massive project getting everything ready for E3 and but it's been well worth it"?? I seem to have missed those. As did the people who just about exploded when Helios made his "But I thought everyone knew what it was" joke last week.
As I said ^ up there ^ E3 is THE trade event. It's where you go to do your BIG launch. It's where SWG was announced. It's where JtL was showcased. It's where ToOW was showcased. It's not where you go if all you've got to show is a bit of a patch and an ingame event.
What's worse than them having so little to take to the party (and it taking so many of them to do it) is that they've totally fumbled the ball as far as media has gone and as far as 'playing' their customers has gone.
Where's the dev blog? The daily update of what a great and cool and fantastic time they're all having? Come on, it's not that hard. A paragraph a day, a couple of photoblog campics and bang it on a blog site? There's keen amateurs doing it all the time. What about some screen shots. Some pre-release publicity / fanfic story that supports the whole 'powerpack in back pack' idea? They can't say they didn't have time to prepare. After all, way back when Smed did his big Day Of Posting in March, they had already been working on the E3 stuff for ages. (Two months plus is also a bit of a heavy time investment for something that ends up hailed as a non-event)
Most of this is about presentation. Building (right) expectation, keeping the fans interested and positively enthused. Instead, once again, they seem to have managed to antagonise everyone and even if they were to turn round tomorrow and slap the official video on the forums it'd be greeted with "Too little too late" "Oh is this ALL??"
Very badly handled all the way thru.
********************* So, you all sat in camps and that was fun? *********************
Originally posted by Shayde Originally posted by xPaladin @Obraik:
And just how many people did you ask?
All 3 of them.
Damn, seems those servers are filling up again! Must've been at peak time though?
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
My point is that the people most vocal about the game already left.The only people left are the hardcore, rabid fans who are willing to put up with the dogpile that is SWG simply because it is Star Wars. So of course all the people still playing are looking forward to the content. Really, they haven't gotten much else from SOE.
I liken it to purposely starving a dog, and then throwing little tiny bits of crappy meat at it. The dog loves the meat and the master, regardless of how crappy the meat is. The dog eats it because it is meat, and without it, the dog will die. That's really the only reason anyone is still playing that damn game -- SOE managed to convince people that the meat is still worth eating, and having a monopoly on the brand of meat certainly doesn't hurt either. Anyone who is still playing the NGE is eating premium alpo, aged in the open about 3 years. And they know it.
Thats pretty good, I actually put something similar on the regular SWG forums before I cancelled a couple of weeks ago LOL only difference was I likened it to the abused wife, the one that keeps taking the abusive husband back, simply because he says,"I'll change, I won't beat you anymore". You know darn well he is going to beat her again anyway and its going to end very very badly with either him, her or both of them dead. Its the same deal with the really really hardcore SWG fans and the SWG devs.
Originally posted by tetsul Originally posted by Spathotan and the other is an unnammed Star Wars game, which promises to deliver the Star Wars experience unlike anyother Star Wars game.
Working title is Star Wars: Still Milking the Golden Cow
And that SOE guy in that video scares me.
You know I wouldnt doubt it.
"There's no star system Slave I can't reach, and there's no planet I can't find. There's nowhere in the Galaxy for you to run. Might as well give up now." Boba Fett
Originally posted by Obraik Because the forums have always been a GREAT representation of people in-game People I talk to in game ARE excited about the Restuss event. Bombed at E3? Hardly, they achieved what they set out to do, which was to show this new event. It had been well known for at least the last 2 months that this was what they were taking to E3 and SOE nor LA were there especially for SWG. The game is nearly 3 years old, there's no way it can possibly compete for news titles with the likes of the Wii which are new and fresh.
The forum people might not represent 100% of the population, but can you guess what it does represent? Those forum people represent the depressing, soggy, bland, lie-filled catastrophe that SWG has become, and they represent it so well, that for the past MONTHS it has become the hottest topic in the MMO world basically, its become a key element in many comedic acts, and has cost SoE thousands of subscriptions across all its games.
Gamespot, IGN, Gamestop, EBGames, Amazon, mmorpg.com, station.sony.com/swg, are all sites which broadcast SWG as a piss poor sack of garbage that it has become. Reviews on Gamestop and EBGames are just mere ounces of anger from current/old players, editorials and subscriber reviews on Gamespot and IGN show no mercy what-so-ever, customer reviews on Amazon are the same story, the offical forums are littered with both SoE propaganda, fanboi asskissing, and stait up veteran hate. And well you know the deal here on this site.
This so called "vocal minority" story is B to the S. The truth about SWG is on dozens, maybe even hundreds of websites spread across the world, and its getting worse and worse. Even hardcore fanboys are starting to bail from this quickly sinking vessel, and its become a time where basically admiting you play SWG and like it is just asking for a verbal beating.
"There's no star system Slave I can't reach, and there's no planet I can't find. There's nowhere in the Galaxy for you to run. Might as well give up now." Boba Fett
Originally posted by Spathotan Originally posted by Obraik Because the forums have always been a GREAT representation of people in-game People I talk to in game ARE excited about the Restuss event. Bombed at E3? Hardly, they achieved what they set out to do, which was to show this new event. It had been well known for at least the last 2 months that this was what they were taking to E3 and SOE nor LA were there especially for SWG. The game is nearly 3 years old, there's no way it can possibly compete for news titles with the likes of the Wii which are new and fresh.
The forum people might not represent 100% of the population, but can you guess what it does represent? Those forum people represent the depressing, soggy, bland, lie-filled catastrophe that SWG has become, and they represent it so well, that for the past MONTHS it has become the hottest topic in the MMO world basically, its become a key element in many comedic acts, and has cost SoE thousands of subscriptions across all its games.
Gamespot, IGN, Gamestop, EBGames, Amazon, mmorpg.com, station.sony.com/swg, are all sites which broadcast SWG as a piss poor sack of garbage that it has become. Reviews on Gamestop and EBGames are just mere ounces of anger from current/old players, editorials and subscriber reviews on Gamespot and IGN show no mercy what-so-ever, customer reviews on Amazon are the same story, the offical forums are littered with both SoE propaganda, fanboi asskissing, and stait up veteran hate. And well you know the deal here on this site.
This so called "vocal minority" story is B to the S. The truth about SWG is on dozens, maybe even hundreds of websites spread across the world, and its getting worse and worse. Even hardcore fanboys are starting to bail from this quickly sinking vessel, and its become a time where basically admiting you play SWG and like it is just asking for a verbal beating.
Verbal beating ? Wow thats real amusing . Anyone who wants to verbally abuse someone for liking a video game is an ***hole plain and simple . SWG is a 3 year old game , New system or not . The game is old , Why would it have a major E3 showing ? With games like Vangaurd , Assasins Creed , APB , Conan , Mass effect and many other hot "NEW" titles why would SWG be of any importance at E3 ?
Vocal minority or not , This is getting really old . What is the point in such arguments ? SOE dosen't care , People playing don't care , CNN doesn't care nor CBS .
This soap box drama is nothing more than a bunch of jaded gamers , who don't have a game to call home at present . I don't care about SWG , My reply has nothing to do with SWG . Im just sick of people who A. Act like what you have to say is so important B. cannot have a conversation , without insulting a group or an individual . How long is it going to take for you people to get over all this ? Or yourselves for that matter .
SWG was a good game at one time . Now it is not in many people's eyes . Some people enjoy it , So ****ing what ? Let them play their damn game in peace .
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Originally posted by Malickiebloo Originally posted by Spathotan Originally posted by Obraik Because the forums have always been a GREAT representation of people in-game People I talk to in game ARE excited about the Restuss event. Bombed at E3? Hardly, they achieved what they set out to do, which was to show this new event. It had been well known for at least the last 2 months that this was what they were taking to E3 and SOE nor LA were there especially for SWG. The game is nearly 3 years old, there's no way it can possibly compete for news titles with the likes of the Wii which are new and fresh.
The forum people might not represent 100% of the population, but can you guess what it does represent? Those forum people represent the depressing, soggy, bland, lie-filled catastrophe that SWG has become, and they represent it so well, that for the past MONTHS it has become the hottest topic in the MMO world basically, its become a key element in many comedic acts, and has cost SoE thousands of subscriptions across all its games.
Gamespot, IGN, Gamestop, EBGames, Amazon, mmorpg.com, station.sony.com/swg, are all sites which broadcast SWG as a piss poor sack of garbage that it has become. Reviews on Gamestop and EBGames are just mere ounces of anger from current/old players, editorials and subscriber reviews on Gamespot and IGN show no mercy what-so-ever, customer reviews on Amazon are the same story, the offical forums are littered with both SoE propaganda, fanboi asskissing, and stait up veteran hate. And well you know the deal here on this site.
This so called "vocal minority" story is B to the S. The truth about SWG is on dozens, maybe even hundreds of websites spread across the world, and its getting worse and worse. Even hardcore fanboys are starting to bail from this quickly sinking vessel, and its become a time where basically admiting you play SWG and like it is just asking for a verbal beating.
Verbal beating ? Wow thats real amusing . Anyone who wants to verbally abuse someone for liking a video game is an ***hole plain and simple . SWG is a 3 year old game , New system or not . The game is old , Why would it have a major E3 showing ? With games like Vangaurd , Assasins Creed , APB , Conan , Mass effect and many other hot "NEW" titles why would SWG be of any importance at E3 ?
Vocal minority or not , This is getting really old . What is the point in such arguments ? SOE dosen't care , People playing don't care , CNN doesn't care nor CBS .
This soap box drama is nothing more than a bunch of jaded gamers , who don't have a game to call home at present . I don't care about SWG , My reply has nothing to do with SWG . Im just sick of people who A. Act like what you have to say is so important B. cannot have a conversation , without insulting a group or an individual . How long is it going to take for you people to get over all this ? Or yourselves for that matter .
SWG was a good game at one time . Now it is not in many people's eyes . Some people enjoy it , So ****ing what ? Let them play their damn game in peace .
I wasnt speaking for myself, im not giving Obraik a verbal beating, nor was that my intention, if I came off like that im sorry. I was basically refering to the people who show no mercy for current swg players, me personally I am neutral on the whole situation, I dont care if swg dies or is resurected as the greatest game ever, im done with swg forever.
What I said wasnt necessarily important youre right, but it was just a response to what Obraik said. And it is a fact none the less, even if it is an unimportant one. Also if you are refering to me I wasnt trying to insult him or the current players, and it might have came off like I was, its late and I had just gotten home from work when I typed all that so I was naturally feeling assholeish. And once again, im neutral on swg.
I have no problem with him playing the game, he still enjoys it and I cant stop him from enjoying it, nor would I ever want to, to each his own. But playing the game in peace and playing the game in complete denial are two different things, I just laid out all the threads of denial.
"There's no star system Slave I can't reach, and there's no planet I can't find. There's nowhere in the Galaxy for you to run. Might as well give up now." Boba Fett
Originally posted by Spathotan Originally posted by Malickiebloo Originally posted by Spathotan Originally posted by Obraik Because the forums have always been a GREAT representation of people in-game People I talk to in game ARE excited about the Restuss event. Bombed at E3? Hardly, they achieved what they set out to do, which was to show this new event. It had been well known for at least the last 2 months that this was what they were taking to E3 and SOE nor LA were there especially for SWG. The game is nearly 3 years old, there's no way it can possibly compete for news titles with the likes of the Wii which are new and fresh.
The forum people might not represent 100% of the population, but can you guess what it does represent? Those forum people represent the depressing, soggy, bland, lie-filled catastrophe that SWG has become, and they represent it so well, that for the past MONTHS it has become the hottest topic in the MMO world basically, its become a key element in many comedic acts, and has cost SoE thousands of subscriptions across all its games.
Gamespot, IGN, Gamestop, EBGames, Amazon, mmorpg.com, station.sony.com/swg, are all sites which broadcast SWG as a piss poor sack of garbage that it has become. Reviews on Gamestop and EBGames are just mere ounces of anger from current/old players, editorials and subscriber reviews on Gamespot and IGN show no mercy what-so-ever, customer reviews on Amazon are the same story, the offical forums are littered with both SoE propaganda, fanboi asskissing, and stait up veteran hate. And well you know the deal here on this site.
This so called "vocal minority" story is B to the S. The truth about SWG is on dozens, maybe even hundreds of websites spread across the world, and its getting worse and worse. Even hardcore fanboys are starting to bail from this quickly sinking vessel, and its become a time where basically admiting you play SWG and like it is just asking for a verbal beating.
Verbal beating ? Wow thats real amusing . Anyone who wants to verbally abuse someone for liking a video game is an ***hole plain and simple . SWG is a 3 year old game , New system or not . The game is old , Why would it have a major E3 showing ? With games like Vangaurd , Assasins Creed , APB , Conan , Mass effect and many other hot "NEW" titles why would SWG be of any importance at E3 ?
Vocal minority or not , This is getting really old . What is the point in such arguments ? SOE dosen't care , People playing don't care , CNN doesn't care nor CBS .
This soap box drama is nothing more than a bunch of jaded gamers , who don't have a game to call home at present . I don't care about SWG , My reply has nothing to do with SWG . Im just sick of people who A. Act like what you have to say is so important B. cannot have a conversation , without insulting a group or an individual . How long is it going to take for you people to get over all this ? Or yourselves for that matter .
SWG was a good game at one time . Now it is not in many people's eyes . Some people enjoy it , So ****ing what ? Let them play their damn game in peace .
I wasnt speaking for myself, im not giving Obraik a verbal beating, nor was that my intention, if I came off like that im sorry. I was basically refering to the people who show no mercy for current swg players, me personally I am neutral on the whole situation, I dont care if swg dies or is resurected as the greatest game ever, im done with swg forever.
What I said wasnt necessarily important youre right, but it was just a response to what Obraik said. And it is a fact none the less, even if it is an unimportant one. Also if you are refering to me I wasnt trying to insult him or the current players, and it might have came off like I was, its late and I had just gotten home from work when I typed all that so I was naturally feeling assholeish. And once again, im neutral on swg.
I have no problem with him playing the game, he still enjoys it and I cant stop him from enjoying it, nor would I ever want to, to each his own. But playing the game in peace and playing the game in complete denial are two different things, I just laid out all the threads of denial.
It is nothing personal , But i just don't get this anymore at all . We all know SWG is in shambles . Noone here knows what will happen in 4 months let alone when the PS3 launches . I might sound pissy , I had a bad day But why does everyone attack Obraik ? The guy is doing nothing more than giving the view of a current player , and he should be respected .
I hear so many say "NGE Fanbois don't want to hear , The truth " Yet what truth is that ? The truth from your point of view is not always the case for someone else . Adults should know this , yet it is quite obvious noone practices such manners on this site .
I feel it is the total opposite , The haters come here to rant and rave . And in some cases out right Lie .Yet they want to do so with no view from the other side . That is quite clear when it is quite common for anyone who disagrees with the majority of this site . Will receive multiple flames and insults for simply having a different opinion.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Originally posted by kaibigan34 YUKMOT!!!! Finally someone else from Kauri I know. I was buddies with Uben dude. You still playing SWG or you moved on like most of us?
Kai
Wouldn't say many have moved on :P
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Originally posted by Malickiebloo Originally posted by Spathotan Originally posted by Malickiebloo Originally posted by Spathotan Originally posted by Obraik Because the forums have always been a GREAT representation of people in-game People I talk to in game ARE excited about the Restuss event. Bombed at E3? Hardly, they achieved what they set out to do, which was to show this new event. It had been well known for at least the last 2 months that this was what they were taking to E3 and SOE nor LA were there especially for SWG. The game is nearly 3 years old, there's no way it can possibly compete for news titles with the likes of the Wii which are new and fresh.
The forum people might not represent 100% of the population, but can you guess what it does represent? Those forum people represent the depressing, soggy, bland, lie-filled catastrophe that SWG has become, and they represent it so well, that for the past MONTHS it has become the hottest topic in the MMO world basically, its become a key element in many comedic acts, and has cost SoE thousands of subscriptions across all its games.
Gamespot, IGN, Gamestop, EBGames, Amazon, mmorpg.com, station.sony.com/swg, are all sites which broadcast SWG as a piss poor sack of garbage that it has become. Reviews on Gamestop and EBGames are just mere ounces of anger from current/old players, editorials and subscriber reviews on Gamespot and IGN show no mercy what-so-ever, customer reviews on Amazon are the same story, the offical forums are littered with both SoE propaganda, fanboi asskissing, and stait up veteran hate. And well you know the deal here on this site.
This so called "vocal minority" story is B to the S. The truth about SWG is on dozens, maybe even hundreds of websites spread across the world, and its getting worse and worse. Even hardcore fanboys are starting to bail from this quickly sinking vessel, and its become a time where basically admiting you play SWG and like it is just asking for a verbal beating.
Verbal beating ? Wow thats real amusing . Anyone who wants to verbally abuse someone for liking a video game is an ***hole plain and simple . SWG is a 3 year old game , New system or not . The game is old , Why would it have a major E3 showing ? With games like Vangaurd , Assasins Creed , APB , Conan , Mass effect and many other hot "NEW" titles why would SWG be of any importance at E3 ?
Vocal minority or not , This is getting really old . What is the point in such arguments ? SOE dosen't care , People playing don't care , CNN doesn't care nor CBS .
This soap box drama is nothing more than a bunch of jaded gamers , who don't have a game to call home at present . I don't care about SWG , My reply has nothing to do with SWG . Im just sick of people who A. Act like what you have to say is so important B. cannot have a conversation , without insulting a group or an individual . How long is it going to take for you people to get over all this ? Or yourselves for that matter .
SWG was a good game at one time . Now it is not in many people's eyes . Some people enjoy it , So ****ing what ? Let them play their damn game in peace .
I wasnt speaking for myself, im not giving Obraik a verbal beating, nor was that my intention, if I came off like that im sorry. I was basically refering to the people who show no mercy for current swg players, me personally I am neutral on the whole situation, I dont care if swg dies or is resurected as the greatest game ever, im done with swg forever.
What I said wasnt necessarily important youre right, but it was just a response to what Obraik said. And it is a fact none the less, even if it is an unimportant one. Also if you are refering to me I wasnt trying to insult him or the current players, and it might have came off like I was, its late and I had just gotten home from work when I typed all that so I was naturally feeling assholeish. And once again, im neutral on swg.
I have no problem with him playing the game, he still enjoys it and I cant stop him from enjoying it, nor would I ever want to, to each his own. But playing the game in peace and playing the game in complete denial are two different things, I just laid out all the threads of denial.
It is nothing personal , But i just don't get this anymore at all . We all know SWG is in shambles . Noone here knows what will happen in 4 months let alone when the PS3 launches . I might sound pissy , I had a bad day But why does everyone attack Obraik ? The guy is doing nothing more than giving the view of a current player , and he should be respected .
I hear so many say "NGE Fanbois don't want to hear , The truth " Yet what truth is that ? The truth from your point of view is not always the case for someone else . Adults should know this , yet it is quite obvious noone practices such manners on this site .
I feel it is the total opposite , The haters come here to rant and rave . And in some cases out right Lie .Yet they want to do so with no view from the other side . That is quite clear when it is quite common for anyone who disagrees with the majority of this site . Will receive multiple flames and insults for simply having a different opinion.
This is true and I might fall into this category sometimes, maybe even with my post we are/were refering to. This same principle applies basically everywhere nowadays, typical sterotyping. I admit I can be a real asshole up here sometimes, but sorry in advance Obraik if my post rubs you wrong.
"There's no star system Slave I can't reach, and there's no planet I can't find. There's nowhere in the Galaxy for you to run. Might as well give up now." Boba Fett
Originally posted by Spathotan Originally posted by Malickiebloo Originally posted by Spathotan Originally posted by Malickiebloo Originally posted by Spathotan Originally posted by Obraik Because the forums have always been a GREAT representation of people in-game People I talk to in game ARE excited about the Restuss event. Bombed at E3? Hardly, they achieved what they set out to do, which was to show this new event. It had been well known for at least the last 2 months that this was what they were taking to E3 and SOE nor LA were there especially for SWG. The game is nearly 3 years old, there's no way it can possibly compete for news titles with the likes of the Wii which are new and fresh.
The forum people might not represent 100% of the population, but can you guess what it does represent? Those forum people represent the depressing, soggy, bland, lie-filled catastrophe that SWG has become, and they represent it so well, that for the past MONTHS it has become the hottest topic in the MMO world basically, its become a key element in many comedic acts, and has cost SoE thousands of subscriptions across all its games.
Gamespot, IGN, Gamestop, EBGames, Amazon, mmorpg.com, station.sony.com/swg, are all sites which broadcast SWG as a piss poor sack of garbage that it has become. Reviews on Gamestop and EBGames are just mere ounces of anger from current/old players, editorials and subscriber reviews on Gamespot and IGN show no mercy what-so-ever, customer reviews on Amazon are the same story, the offical forums are littered with both SoE propaganda, fanboi asskissing, and stait up veteran hate. And well you know the deal here on this site.
This so called "vocal minority" story is B to the S. The truth about SWG is on dozens, maybe even hundreds of websites spread across the world, and its getting worse and worse. Even hardcore fanboys are starting to bail from this quickly sinking vessel, and its become a time where basically admiting you play SWG and like it is just asking for a verbal beating.
Verbal beating ? Wow thats real amusing . Anyone who wants to verbally abuse someone for liking a video game is an ***hole plain and simple . SWG is a 3 year old game , New system or not . The game is old , Why would it have a major E3 showing ? With games like Vangaurd , Assasins Creed , APB , Conan , Mass effect and many other hot "NEW" titles why would SWG be of any importance at E3 ?
Vocal minority or not , This is getting really old . What is the point in such arguments ? SOE dosen't care , People playing don't care , CNN doesn't care nor CBS .
This soap box drama is nothing more than a bunch of jaded gamers , who don't have a game to call home at present . I don't care about SWG , My reply has nothing to do with SWG . Im just sick of people who A. Act like what you have to say is so important B. cannot have a conversation , without insulting a group or an individual . How long is it going to take for you people to get over all this ? Or yourselves for that matter .
SWG was a good game at one time . Now it is not in many people's eyes . Some people enjoy it , So ****ing what ? Let them play their damn game in peace .
I wasnt speaking for myself, im not giving Obraik a verbal beating, nor was that my intention, if I came off like that im sorry. I was basically refering to the people who show no mercy for current swg players, me personally I am neutral on the whole situation, I dont care if swg dies or is resurected as the greatest game ever, im done with swg forever.
What I said wasnt necessarily important youre right, but it was just a response to what Obraik said. And it is a fact none the less, even if it is an unimportant one. Also if you are refering to me I wasnt trying to insult him or the current players, and it might have came off like I was, its late and I had just gotten home from work when I typed all that so I was naturally feeling assholeish. And once again, im neutral on swg.
I have no problem with him playing the game, he still enjoys it and I cant stop him from enjoying it, nor would I ever want to, to each his own. But playing the game in peace and playing the game in complete denial are two different things, I just laid out all the threads of denial.
It is nothing personal , But i just don't get this anymore at all . We all know SWG is in shambles . Noone here knows what will happen in 4 months let alone when the PS3 launches . I might sound pissy , I had a bad day But why does everyone attack Obraik ? The guy is doing nothing more than giving the view of a current player , and he should be respected .
I hear so many say "NGE Fanbois don't want to hear , The truth " Yet what truth is that ? The truth from your point of view is not always the case for someone else . Adults should know this , yet it is quite obvious noone practices such manners on this site .
I feel it is the total opposite , The haters come here to rant and rave . And in some cases out right Lie .Yet they want to do so with no view from the other side . That is quite clear when it is quite common for anyone who disagrees with the majority of this site . Will receive multiple flames and insults for simply having a different opinion.
This is true and I might fall into this category sometimes, maybe even with my post we are/were refering to. This same principle applies basically everywhere nowadays, typical sterotyping. I admit I can be a real asshole up here sometimes, but sorry in advance Obraik if my post rubs you wrong.
None of my posts were geared toward you personally , Just this site as a whole ( more specific This forum ) . You usually tend to post respectfully , So don't think i was attacking you or anything . I just know it has happened to me many times , when i was never even a SOE supporter simply like you neutral . I don't care what happens as well , I just hate to see people bash other people or insult them for nothing more than taking up for something they enjoy .
I have never seen Obraik disrespect anyone , And I salute him for that . I don't have a tolerance level any where near his.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
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Hate to break it to you, but post-CU, any Koster-ish argument about the "vocal minority" is complete crap. I don't think the "vocal minority" theory considered the effects from repeatedly screwing the playerbase in the ass.
Considering out of the many I asked only 2 or 3 said they're not really looking forward to it, yes I would say the whole "Silent Majority, Vocal Minority" thing still takes place.
And just how many people did you ask?
-- xpaladin
[MMOz]
AC1/2, AO, DAoC, EQ1/2, SoR, SWG, UO, WAR, WoW
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
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that a "player event" is not an E3-worthy announcement, not something that should be "everything" to be announced for a major title like "Star Wars: Galaxies." In the face of so
many other games progressing, SOE/LA's sole announcement of a single "player
event" was just pathetic (whether you're capable of admitting it or not). There are so many people who will see this as just a ploy to have kept subscriptions going for a
little longer, giving people hope that they were really going to do
something to "shake up" the game as you all know it. I think all they
succeeded in shaking up is the faith of a few more subscribers. I could clearly envision even Smedley and Torres themselves giving you an argument there, Obraik. It would go something like this: "The NGE changed the face of the 'Star Wars: Galaxies' experience so much that it could really be considered an entirely new MMO." For an entirely new MMO that's only 6 months old, you'd think they'd be able to compete for news with other, contemparay titles with something more than just a "player event".
For whatever reason, SOE appears to be no longer behind this title. They are allocating it minimum resources, and I personally believe the lackluster showing at E3 concerning SWG is a shining example of that policy. If what they announced at E3 excites you, and you feel it was worth waiting for, then you're exactly the target audience they are looking for. The reason we will never agree on any of these topics is just because the rest of us have higher standards.
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Don't you think this side-steps the point, Obraik? The point is that a "player event" is not an E3-worthy announcement, not something that should be "everything" to be announced for a major title like "Star Wars: Galaxies." In the face of so many other games progressing, SOE/LA's sole announcement of a single "player event" was just pathetic (whether you're capable of admitting it or not). There are so many people who will see this as just a ploy to have kept subscriptions going for a little longer, giving people hope that they were really going to do something to "shake up" the game as you all know it. I think all they succeeded in shaking up is the faith of a few more subscribers.
This is the most coverage SWG has had at E3 since they were planning JTL. SWG was at E3 because SOE and LA were. They probably thought they were going to E3 to show off their new games, they might as well bring SWG along too to show it off in the background. It can't hurt...and it didn't.
I could clearly envision even Smedley and Torres themselves giving you an argument there, Obraik. It would go something like this: "The NGE changed the face of the 'Star Wars: Galaxies' experience so much that it could really be considered an entirely new MMO." For an entirely new MMO that's only 6 months old, you'd think they'd be able to compete for news with other, contemparay titles with something more than just a "player event".
It's an old game with a new revamp. Maybe Smedley and Torres would say something like that, but at the end of the day it's still an old game. If you haven't played the game before and have only seen it at something like an E3 booth, it doesn't look any different to what it did 3 years ago.
For whatever reason, SOE appears to be no longer behind this title. They are allocating it minimum resources, and I personally believe the lackluster showing at E3 concerning SWG is a shining example of that policy. If what they announced at E3 excites you, and you feel it was worth waiting for, then you're exactly the target audience they are looking for. The reason we will never agree on any of these topics is just because the rest of us have higher standards.
As I said earlier, this is the most coverage SWG has had at E3 since JTL was being made. I knew all along that this was what was being showen (they had posted that many times on the forums), it's hard to be dissapointed when you already know what to expect
Hehe.. That's the mantra most of us veterans chant over and over whenever SOE does something stupid. Welcome to the club.
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ROFL
And I was thinking it was just me imagining that he looked a bit stressed and shifty.
OK to be fair we don't know how the interviewer approached him or how much time he was given to do the pitch (Hey, grant, could you do like 45 seconds on SWG?) buuuut, as he's one of several head honchos down at the OhGodNoes ranch, you'd kind of expect him to have it pretty well rehearsed and, what's that word he likes... POLISHED.
Still, it was real good to see him finally tell us that we can pilot the Death Star, use Star Destroyers, nuke whole planets and much much more... What? You didn't catch that bit? When he gushes "Anything you seen in the movies you can come and do in our world"
I want my Uncle Owen hoverchair....
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So, you all sat in camps and that was fun?
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This pvp little battlefield they got planned bores me so utterly. Maybe if they blew up most of the cities and let players only hang out in one imp and one reb city on one planet, they might be able to bring back the sense of a population into the game.
The best thing they could do for the game is pull the plug and bring out the guillotine for those responsible for this failure of a game called SWG.
K.
I'll start with a fact: I happen to know, factually, a minimum of 27 accounts cancelled post-NGE, only one of which is mine. I could be an ass and say that I know well over a hundred or so -- and I do, as I've gone through several iterations of friends lists throughout my SWG career -- but I can literally confirm that these accounts are dead, and will only include these 27. I will be merciful and say that the rest are "unconfirmed."
And now I'll skew a little, but I think (based on your attitude) you know the truth: these boards are flooded with a little more than a few dozen dissidents, not counting myself. In fact, I'd be willing to bet you could name them offhand, and with little effort. I'm sure I can name 10, not including myself, off the top of my head.
And now for the twist of the knife. Subscription numbers are down drastically (let's assume you're right and there are 250k subscribers playing SWG currently) from pre/post-CU peak. That's 50k people that disagree with you on a base level. Perhaps more, perhaps less. In fact, I'll even give you this point. I'll chalk up these numbers to be meaningless, despite the fact that SOE's negative reputation -- which came from somewhere -- is actually hampering its other games, including EverQuest II.
My point is that the people most vocal about the game already left. The only people left are the hardcore, rabid fans who are willing to put up with the dogpile that is SWG simply because it is Star Wars. So of course all the people still playing are looking forward to the content. Really, they haven't gotten much else from SOE.
I liken it to purposely starving a dog, and then throwing little tiny bits of crappy meat at it. The dog loves the meat and the master, regardless of how crappy the meat is. The dog eats it because it is meat, and without it, the dog will die. That's really the only reason anyone is still playing that damn game -- SOE managed to convince people that the meat is still worth eating, and having a monopoly on the brand of meat certainly doesn't hurt either. Anyone who is still playing the NGE is eating premium alpo, aged in the open about 3 years. And they know it.
-- xpaladin
[MMOz]
AC1/2, AO, DAoC, EQ1/2, SoR, SWG, UO, WAR, WoW
The Lucas Arts / SOE team told us all along they were not going to develope an MMO like any other. They have repeatedly done things while proudly saying no other MMO in history had ever done it. We the players tried to tell them WHY no other company had ever done it but they in their great wisdom ignored us. They are artists. If that is the case then SWG is where they spilt their paint.
From even before launch it was clear SWG was a milk machine for them and not a quality product.
The idea of a framework from which to launch other games was awesome.
The space game was good, though it lacked content.
The ground game sucked because they abandoned everthing that came before.
A long time ago in a company far far away intelligent and talented people knew to learn from history. I'm hoping the SWG experience will serve as a warning that even a sure thing ( millions of customers still beg for a compitient product ) can be lost if you give the wrong people the wrong job.
Don't you think this side-steps the point, Obraik? The point is that a "player event" is not an E3-worthy announcement, not something that should be "everything" to be announced for a major title like "Star Wars: Galaxies." In the face of so many other games progressing, SOE/LA's sole announcement of a single "player event" was just pathetic (whether you're capable of admitting it or not). There are so many people who will see this as just a ploy to have kept subscriptions going for a little longer, giving people hope that they were really going to do something to "shake up" the game as you all know it. I think all they succeeded in shaking up is the faith of a few more subscribers.
This is the most coverage SWG has had at E3 since they were planning JTL. SWG was at E3 because SOE and LA were. They probably thought they were going to E3 to show off their new games, they might as well bring SWG along too to show it off in the background. It can't hurt...and it didn't.
Yes, it did hurt, Obraik.
It took valuable dev time away from the fixing and polishing exercise that's been going on since November. That's the "6 months and things will be golden - oh, hold on, could we have another 6 months and we're hoping to make it better" exercise.
It hurt because it has delayed code going out to test for the next expansion. By definition that's a delay, a hold up, an unplanned interuption. What's worse is that AT THE BEGINNING of the week they were promising "without further delay". Then because 'most' of the devs were up at E3 the customers were told 'ah hell, you can wait..."
It also hurt because the perception of SWG in various games websites is that SWG was either a no show or a non-event at E3.
Older games were getting expansions launched. E3 is about what's new, what's evolving, what's up and coming. SWG even being there was a farce if they had no intention of doing much more than publicising an ingame event and a bit of a patch...
Now we can rant all we want about it out here. We can comment, carefully, onthe official boards, but what matters is that over the next few weeks the game media will be trawling thru the newsfeeds and aggregate sites and, if they find any reference to SWG at all it's either old old old E3 stuff or a few references to this years farago.
And THAT is what is going to hurt. Six months after NGE hit the game media were still printing articles that referred to it as 'having just happened'. It takes a ridiculously long time for news to get from word of mouth and digital media and into the print media. And if, in six months time, SWG is being referred to as 'a dead duck', a non event, stale, tired, lacking... then that is going to hurt.
I could clearly envision even Smedley and Torres themselves giving you an argument there, Obraik. It would go something like this: "The NGE changed the face of the 'Star Wars: Galaxies' experience so much that it could really be considered an entirely new MMO." For an entirely new MMO that's only 6 months old, you'd think they'd be able to compete for news with other, contemparay titles with something more than just a "player event".
It's an old game with a new revamp. Maybe Smedley and Torres would say something like that, but at the end of the day it's still an old game. If you haven't played the game before and have only seen it at something like an E3 booth, it doesn't look any different to what it did 3 years ago.
Exactly, so why take your tired old grandmother along to an acid house rave with the cool young kids? She's going to stand out like a wee scented lavender rinsed throwback to the Dark Ages.
For whatever reason, SOE appears to be no longer behind this title. They are allocating it minimum resources, and I personally believe the lackluster showing at E3 concerning SWG is a shining example of that policy. If what they announced at E3 excites you, and you feel it was worth waiting for, then you're exactly the target audience they are looking for. The reason we will never agree on any of these topics is just because the rest of us have higher standards.
As I said earlier, this is the most coverage SWG has had at E3 since JTL was being made. I knew all along that this was what was being showen (they had posted that many times on the forums), it's hard to be dissapointed when you already know what to expect
Can you give links to the posts on the forums that said "at E3 we're showcasing an ingame event" as opposed to the ones that just mumbled something vague about "it's going to be big news" "It'll go with a bang" "It's been a massive project getting everything ready for E3 and but it's been well worth it"?? I seem to have missed those.
As did the people who just about exploded when Helios made his "But I thought everyone knew what it was" joke last week.
As I said ^ up there ^ E3 is THE trade event. It's where you go to do your BIG launch. It's where SWG was announced. It's where JtL was showcased. It's where ToOW was showcased. It's not where you go if all you've got to show is a bit of a patch and an ingame event.
What's worse than them having so little to take to the party (and it taking so many of them to do it) is that they've totally fumbled the ball as far as media has gone and as far as 'playing' their customers has gone.
Where's the dev blog? The daily update of what a great and cool and fantastic time they're all having? Come on, it's not that hard. A paragraph a day, a couple of photoblog campics and bang it on a blog site? There's keen amateurs doing it all the time.
What about some screen shots. Some pre-release publicity / fanfic story that supports the whole 'powerpack in back pack' idea?
They can't say they didn't have time to prepare. After all, way back when Smed did his big Day Of Posting in March, they had already been working on the E3 stuff for ages. (Two months plus is also a bit of a heavy time investment for something that ends up hailed as a non-event)
Most of this is about presentation. Building (right) expectation, keeping the fans interested and positively enthused. Instead, once again, they seem to have managed to antagonise everyone and even if they were to turn round tomorrow and slap the official video on the forums it'd be greeted with "Too little too late" "Oh is this ALL??"
Very badly handled all the way thru.
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So, you all sat in camps and that was fun?
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Damn, seems those servers are filling up again! Must've been at peak time though?
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
Working title is Star Wars: Still Milking the Golden Cow
And that SOE guy in that video scares me.
You know I wouldnt doubt it.
"There's no star system Slave I can't reach, and there's no planet I can't find. There's nowhere in the Galaxy for you to run. Might as well give up now."
Boba Fett
Gamespot, IGN, Gamestop, EBGames, Amazon, mmorpg.com, station.sony.com/swg, are all sites which broadcast SWG as a piss poor sack of garbage that it has become. Reviews on Gamestop and EBGames are just mere ounces of anger from current/old players, editorials and subscriber reviews on Gamespot and IGN show no mercy what-so-ever, customer reviews on Amazon are the same story, the offical forums are littered with both SoE propaganda, fanboi asskissing, and stait up veteran hate. And well you know the deal here on this site.
This so called "vocal minority" story is B to the S. The truth about SWG is on dozens, maybe even hundreds of websites spread across the world, and its getting worse and worse. Even hardcore fanboys are starting to bail from this quickly sinking vessel, and its become a time where basically admiting you play SWG and like it is just asking for a verbal beating.
"There's no star system Slave I can't reach, and there's no planet I can't find. There's nowhere in the Galaxy for you to run. Might as well give up now."
Boba Fett
Gamespot, IGN, Gamestop, EBGames, Amazon, mmorpg.com, station.sony.com/swg, are all sites which broadcast SWG as a piss poor sack of garbage that it has become. Reviews on Gamestop and EBGames are just mere ounces of anger from current/old players, editorials and subscriber reviews on Gamespot and IGN show no mercy what-so-ever, customer reviews on Amazon are the same story, the offical forums are littered with both SoE propaganda, fanboi asskissing, and stait up veteran hate. And well you know the deal here on this site.
This so called "vocal minority" story is B to the S. The truth about SWG is on dozens, maybe even hundreds of websites spread across the world, and its getting worse and worse. Even hardcore fanboys are starting to bail from this quickly sinking vessel, and its become a time where basically admiting you play SWG and like it is just asking for a verbal beating.
Verbal beating ?
Vocal minority or not , This is getting really old . What is the point in such arguments ? SOE dosen't care , People playing don't care , CNN doesn't care nor CBS .
This soap box drama is nothing more than a bunch of jaded gamers , who don't have a game to call home at present . I don't care about SWG , My reply has nothing to do with SWG . Im just sick of people who A. Act like what you have to say is so important B. cannot have a conversation , without insulting a group or an individual . How long is it going to take for you people to get over all this ? Or yourselves for that matter .
SWG was a good game at one time . Now it is not in many people's eyes . Some people enjoy it , So ****ing what ? Let them play their damn game in peace .
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Gamespot, IGN, Gamestop, EBGames, Amazon, mmorpg.com, station.sony.com/swg, are all sites which broadcast SWG as a piss poor sack of garbage that it has become. Reviews on Gamestop and EBGames are just mere ounces of anger from current/old players, editorials and subscriber reviews on Gamespot and IGN show no mercy what-so-ever, customer reviews on Amazon are the same story, the offical forums are littered with both SoE propaganda, fanboi asskissing, and stait up veteran hate. And well you know the deal here on this site.
This so called "vocal minority" story is B to the S. The truth about SWG is on dozens, maybe even hundreds of websites spread across the world, and its getting worse and worse. Even hardcore fanboys are starting to bail from this quickly sinking vessel, and its become a time where basically admiting you play SWG and like it is just asking for a verbal beating.
Verbal beating ?
Vocal minority or not , This is getting really old . What is the point in such arguments ? SOE dosen't care , People playing don't care , CNN doesn't care nor CBS .
This soap box drama is nothing more than a bunch of jaded gamers , who don't have a game to call home at present . I don't care about SWG , My reply has nothing to do with SWG . Im just sick of people who A. Act like what you have to say is so important B. cannot have a conversation , without insulting a group or an individual . How long is it going to take for you people to get over all this ? Or yourselves for that matter .
SWG was a good game at one time . Now it is not in many people's eyes . Some people enjoy it , So ****ing what ? Let them play their damn game in peace .
I wasnt speaking for myself, im not giving Obraik a verbal beating, nor was that my intention, if I came off like that im sorry. I was basically refering to the people who show no mercy for current swg players, me personally I am neutral on the whole situation, I dont care if swg dies or is resurected as the greatest game ever, im done with swg forever.
What I said wasnt necessarily important youre right, but it was just a response to what Obraik said. And it is a fact none the less, even if it is an unimportant one. Also if you are refering to me I wasnt trying to insult him or the current players, and it might have came off like I was, its late and I had just gotten home from work when I typed all that so I was naturally feeling assholeish. And once again, im neutral on swg.
I have no problem with him playing the game, he still enjoys it and I cant stop him from enjoying it, nor would I ever want to, to each his own. But playing the game in peace and playing the game in complete denial are two different things, I just laid out all the threads of denial.
"There's no star system Slave I can't reach, and there's no planet I can't find. There's nowhere in the Galaxy for you to run. Might as well give up now."
Boba Fett
Dude you should work for some fascist government as Information Minister because the stuff you try to feed everybody is hillarious.
Yukmot
Kai
Gamespot, IGN, Gamestop, EBGames, Amazon, mmorpg.com, station.sony.com/swg, are all sites which broadcast SWG as a piss poor sack of garbage that it has become. Reviews on Gamestop and EBGames are just mere ounces of anger from current/old players, editorials and subscriber reviews on Gamespot and IGN show no mercy what-so-ever, customer reviews on Amazon are the same story, the offical forums are littered with both SoE propaganda, fanboi asskissing, and stait up veteran hate. And well you know the deal here on this site.
This so called "vocal minority" story is B to the S. The truth about SWG is on dozens, maybe even hundreds of websites spread across the world, and its getting worse and worse. Even hardcore fanboys are starting to bail from this quickly sinking vessel, and its become a time where basically admiting you play SWG and like it is just asking for a verbal beating.
Verbal beating ?
Vocal minority or not , This is getting really old . What is the point in such arguments ? SOE dosen't care , People playing don't care , CNN doesn't care nor CBS .
This soap box drama is nothing more than a bunch of jaded gamers , who don't have a game to call home at present . I don't care about SWG , My reply has nothing to do with SWG . Im just sick of people who A. Act like what you have to say is so important B. cannot have a conversation , without insulting a group or an individual . How long is it going to take for you people to get over all this ? Or yourselves for that matter .
SWG was a good game at one time . Now it is not in many people's eyes . Some people enjoy it , So ****ing what ? Let them play their damn game in peace .
I wasnt speaking for myself, im not giving Obraik a verbal beating, nor was that my intention, if I came off like that im sorry. I was basically refering to the people who show no mercy for current swg players, me personally I am neutral on the whole situation, I dont care if swg dies or is resurected as the greatest game ever, im done with swg forever.
What I said wasnt necessarily important youre right, but it was just a response to what Obraik said. And it is a fact none the less, even if it is an unimportant one. Also if you are refering to me I wasnt trying to insult him or the current players, and it might have came off like I was, its late and I had just gotten home from work when I typed all that so I was naturally feeling assholeish. And once again, im neutral on swg.
I have no problem with him playing the game, he still enjoys it and I cant stop him from enjoying it, nor would I ever want to, to each his own. But playing the game in peace and playing the game in complete denial are two different things, I just laid out all the threads of denial.
It is nothing personal , But i just don't get this anymore at all . We all know SWG is in shambles . Noone here knows what will happen in 4 months let alone when the PS3 launches . I might sound pissy , I had a bad day
I hear so many say "NGE Fanbois don't want to hear , The truth " Yet what truth is that ? The truth from your point of view is not always the case for someone else . Adults should know this , yet it is quite obvious noone practices such manners on this site .
I feel it is the total opposite , The haters come here to rant and rave . And in some cases out right Lie .Yet they want to do so with no view from the other side . That is quite clear when it is quite common for anyone who disagrees with the majority of this site . Will receive multiple flames and insults for simply having a different opinion.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Gamespot, IGN, Gamestop, EBGames, Amazon, mmorpg.com, station.sony.com/swg, are all sites which broadcast SWG as a piss poor sack of garbage that it has become. Reviews on Gamestop and EBGames are just mere ounces of anger from current/old players, editorials and subscriber reviews on Gamespot and IGN show no mercy what-so-ever, customer reviews on Amazon are the same story, the offical forums are littered with both SoE propaganda, fanboi asskissing, and stait up veteran hate. And well you know the deal here on this site.
This so called "vocal minority" story is B to the S. The truth about SWG is on dozens, maybe even hundreds of websites spread across the world, and its getting worse and worse. Even hardcore fanboys are starting to bail from this quickly sinking vessel, and its become a time where basically admiting you play SWG and like it is just asking for a verbal beating.
Verbal beating ?
Vocal minority or not , This is getting really old . What is the point in such arguments ? SOE dosen't care , People playing don't care , CNN doesn't care nor CBS .
This soap box drama is nothing more than a bunch of jaded gamers , who don't have a game to call home at present . I don't care about SWG , My reply has nothing to do with SWG . Im just sick of people who A. Act like what you have to say is so important B. cannot have a conversation , without insulting a group or an individual . How long is it going to take for you people to get over all this ? Or yourselves for that matter .
SWG was a good game at one time . Now it is not in many people's eyes . Some people enjoy it , So ****ing what ? Let them play their damn game in peace .
I wasnt speaking for myself, im not giving Obraik a verbal beating, nor was that my intention, if I came off like that im sorry. I was basically refering to the people who show no mercy for current swg players, me personally I am neutral on the whole situation, I dont care if swg dies or is resurected as the greatest game ever, im done with swg forever.
What I said wasnt necessarily important youre right, but it was just a response to what Obraik said. And it is a fact none the less, even if it is an unimportant one. Also if you are refering to me I wasnt trying to insult him or the current players, and it might have came off like I was, its late and I had just gotten home from work when I typed all that so I was naturally feeling assholeish. And once again, im neutral on swg.
I have no problem with him playing the game, he still enjoys it and I cant stop him from enjoying it, nor would I ever want to, to each his own. But playing the game in peace and playing the game in complete denial are two different things, I just laid out all the threads of denial.
It is nothing personal , But i just don't get this anymore at all . We all know SWG is in shambles . Noone here knows what will happen in 4 months let alone when the PS3 launches . I might sound pissy , I had a bad day
I hear so many say "NGE Fanbois don't want to hear , The truth " Yet what truth is that ? The truth from your point of view is not always the case for someone else . Adults should know this , yet it is quite obvious noone practices such manners on this site .
I feel it is the total opposite , The haters come here to rant and rave . And in some cases out right Lie .Yet they want to do so with no view from the other side . That is quite clear when it is quite common for anyone who disagrees with the majority of this site . Will receive multiple flames and insults for simply having a different opinion.
This is true and I might fall into this category sometimes, maybe even with my post we are/were refering to. This same principle applies basically everywhere nowadays, typical sterotyping. I admit I can be a real asshole up here sometimes, but sorry in advance Obraik if my post rubs you wrong.
"There's no star system Slave I can't reach, and there's no planet I can't find. There's nowhere in the Galaxy for you to run. Might as well give up now."
Boba Fett
Gamespot, IGN, Gamestop, EBGames, Amazon, mmorpg.com, station.sony.com/swg, are all sites which broadcast SWG as a piss poor sack of garbage that it has become. Reviews on Gamestop and EBGames are just mere ounces of anger from current/old players, editorials and subscriber reviews on Gamespot and IGN show no mercy what-so-ever, customer reviews on Amazon are the same story, the offical forums are littered with both SoE propaganda, fanboi asskissing, and stait up veteran hate. And well you know the deal here on this site.
This so called "vocal minority" story is B to the S. The truth about SWG is on dozens, maybe even hundreds of websites spread across the world, and its getting worse and worse. Even hardcore fanboys are starting to bail from this quickly sinking vessel, and its become a time where basically admiting you play SWG and like it is just asking for a verbal beating.
Verbal beating ?
Vocal minority or not , This is getting really old . What is the point in such arguments ? SOE dosen't care , People playing don't care , CNN doesn't care nor CBS .
This soap box drama is nothing more than a bunch of jaded gamers , who don't have a game to call home at present . I don't care about SWG , My reply has nothing to do with SWG . Im just sick of people who A. Act like what you have to say is so important B. cannot have a conversation , without insulting a group or an individual . How long is it going to take for you people to get over all this ? Or yourselves for that matter .
SWG was a good game at one time . Now it is not in many people's eyes . Some people enjoy it , So ****ing what ? Let them play their damn game in peace .
I wasnt speaking for myself, im not giving Obraik a verbal beating, nor was that my intention, if I came off like that im sorry. I was basically refering to the people who show no mercy for current swg players, me personally I am neutral on the whole situation, I dont care if swg dies or is resurected as the greatest game ever, im done with swg forever.
What I said wasnt necessarily important youre right, but it was just a response to what Obraik said. And it is a fact none the less, even if it is an unimportant one. Also if you are refering to me I wasnt trying to insult him or the current players, and it might have came off like I was, its late and I had just gotten home from work when I typed all that so I was naturally feeling assholeish. And once again, im neutral on swg.
I have no problem with him playing the game, he still enjoys it and I cant stop him from enjoying it, nor would I ever want to, to each his own. But playing the game in peace and playing the game in complete denial are two different things, I just laid out all the threads of denial.
It is nothing personal , But i just don't get this anymore at all . We all know SWG is in shambles . Noone here knows what will happen in 4 months let alone when the PS3 launches . I might sound pissy , I had a bad day
I hear so many say "NGE Fanbois don't want to hear , The truth " Yet what truth is that ? The truth from your point of view is not always the case for someone else . Adults should know this , yet it is quite obvious noone practices such manners on this site .
I feel it is the total opposite , The haters come here to rant and rave . And in some cases out right Lie .Yet they want to do so with no view from the other side . That is quite clear when it is quite common for anyone who disagrees with the majority of this site . Will receive multiple flames and insults for simply having a different opinion.
This is true and I might fall into this category sometimes, maybe even with my post we are/were refering to. This same principle applies basically everywhere nowadays, typical sterotyping. I admit I can be a real asshole up here sometimes, but sorry in advance Obraik if my post rubs you wrong.
None of my posts were geared toward you personally , Just this site as a whole ( more specific This forum ) . You usually tend to post respectfully , So don't think i was attacking you or anything . I just know it has happened to me many times , when i was never even a SOE supporter simply like you neutral . I don't care what happens as well , I just hate to see people bash other people or insult them for nothing more than taking up for something they enjoy .
I have never seen Obraik disrespect anyone , And I salute him for that . I don't have a tolerance level any where near his.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson