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911 Conspiracy Theories About to be Jammed!!
Wakizashi
Member Posts: 893
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/05/16/pentagon.video/index.html?wagmydog
Say what you will now Traitors.
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$5 someone is gonna say it's faked by Hollywood.
Edit: 1337, shit I can't post anymore
By the way pheonix you have obtained 1337....
Damn I'm loosing my 1337 post count now
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"When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!"
-cheer leading, flag waving American
I am a raving idiot who has no knowledge of aviation, no training in aircraft, demolition, or military engineering, or any experience working with an air disaster whatsoever and based on the word of other people who use big words that sound impressive to me, I am going to believe it was all made up even though none of the people who are telling me this were there and all the eyewitness accounts say otherwise!
That doesn't make any sense regarding my statement.
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"When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!"
-cheer leading, flag waving American
I"m not saying anything either way. I just have a question.
Did anyone see a plane in that video? I didn't. I'm not saying there wasn't one, I just can't see it.
Anyone else?
Oh, and one other question. Why did it take Judicial Watch, a government watchdog group, to get them to release the footage?
I'm not implying anything. Just asking.
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Not taking sides either way... but..
I did not see a 757. A streak of something, but nothing the size of a Boeing 757
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Pentagon Video Is Giant Psy-Op
Intended to create circus of interest around 'no
plane' theories, later debunk them
Paul Joseph
Watson & Alex Jones/Prison Planet.com | May 16 2006
Grainy video stills showing what is claimed
to be the nose cone of Flight 77 will only result in an increased circus
of debate around the issue of what happened at the Pentagon in preparation
for a future release of clear video footage that 'debunks' people who question
the official version of 9/11.
For over four years we have remained neutral
on the subject, agreeing that unanswered questions need to be explored but
warning against the Pentagon issue becoming the core focus of the 9/11 truth
movement.
The danger is clearly that the government
will use its media mouthpieces in particular Fox News to hype this until
it becomes the de facto keystone of alternative explanations behind 9/11.
At the point when that crescendo reaches
its peak crystal clear footage of Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon will be
released, knocking down the straw man argument that the establishment itself
erected.
The government is steam valving this issue
so as to garner as much interest as possible before blowing the entire matter
out of the water. We know for a fact that the FBI seized the gas station
camera footage and footage from hotels across the highway which would show
the entire sequence of events and prove exactly what happened at the Pentagon.
The fact that they have again chosen to
release grainy and foggy images which only lead to more speculation tell
us two things.
1) The government truly is frightened
to death of releasing any images which accurately depict what happened at
the Pentagon because it doesn't jive with the official version of 9/11.
2) Or the government knows that Flight
77 hit the Pentagon and has clear footage of the incident, but is deliberately
releasing these speculative images in order to stoke the debate so it can
later release the high quality video and use it to debunk the entire 9/11
truth movement.
The media obsession with this one facet
of an entire smorgasbord of 9/11 questions, and their refusal to address
more hardcore 9/11 evidence, leads us to fear the latter explanation is
the case.
Why no discussion of Building
7 and the comments of Larry Silverstein?
Why no discussion of the hijackers being
trained
by the US government? Lt.
Colonel Steve Butler of the Monterey Defense Language Institute
was suspended from duty after he accused Bush of allowing 9/11 to happen.
Why no discussion of the NORAD
stand down?
Because none of these issues are honey
pots, none of them are speculation because the cards are laid out on the
table for everyone to see and the evidence is clear.
While intelligent questions need to be
asked about what really happened at the Pentagon we feel that research in
this context should come with the proviso that a potential trap is being
laid to discredit all 9/11 research at a later date, and that today's story
is part of that process.
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Look at the fisheye effect from the security camera though. You really can't tell the relative size from the lens curving (which is done to increase the total angle of vision to use fewer cameras in a security system). Not saying it is or isn't, but with out know the actual visual references on the building and other areas of the image an eye will have an amazingly difficult time approximating size.
A few things I'd like to state about the new release of the Pentagon "video".
1. Have you seen a video camera with 2 frame per second? I said 5, and I was wrong. It is really 2. If you download it, and play it with fraps turn on. It seems the frame dropped just as the video started.
2. a 757 would be a lot larger than appeared in this Pentagon "video". If it was really a 757, why the hole on the building was perfectly round with no sign of the damage from its HUGE wings? If you mean the wings were no match for the building, then shouldn't the wings be found outside the building on the ground? Where were they? If they actually got into the building, then where was the damage on the wall from the wings?
3. A fact, a guilded missle has small wings and shape of a tiny plane, and it strikes with about 30 meters parallel to the ground. It is extremely hard to tell the difference between a guided missle and a tiny plane when it is at high speed and, with 2 frame per second "video".
4. Even if the video was real, why didn't they release it the day it happened? Why did they release it 5 years after that day? Oh wait, they were still working on it to make it more "believable".
It is so funny how some people lack of their own thoughts will accept everything they were told. The video from Pentagon proved nothing, you accept it was a huge 757 plane because they also said so in the text form. While what you see in the video does not matter.
I can show you a video of a chicken and a dead tiger, and in background my voice says this chicken just beat a tiger up. You will believe it, because I said so in the background.
I don't like living under a government who thinks it's okay to keep things from us. We're supposed to be informed in order to make good decisions about our government officials and it's involvement in affairs.
Whether they're lying or not, just the fact that they keep things from us that have nothing to do with national security show's what they have come to think of the people. We're supposed to keep check on the government, not the government keep check on us!!!
And for those of you who don't know who Judicial Watch is, they're a group of lawyers that sue the government in order to get information released. They also sue government officials who are breaking the law. Would we be seeing this or any footage if it weren't for them? Whether you believe it's a government conspiracy or not is irrelevant when it comes to this kind of disregard for the American public knowing what their government is up to.
1. You are not seeing the original footage, but rather a variable compression formatted one. You have no idea the original frame rate. Explosion = lots of colored pixels moving a lot = drop in frame rate.
2. Look at the curvature of the building. Security cameras have a fish eye effect. You are assuming size off of a linear visual estimation which you are used to doing everyday. Any size estimation without using trig will be innacurate because of the assumptions the human mind makes.
3. I don't know about guided missles, haven't had need to buy many when I go out...
4. Sticky issue. But a military would be stupid to release a video that showed any potential information about them that could be exploited. Doing so would weaken your military position. May not like it, but sometimes secrets are necessary, were they in this case? I dunno, not getting into that.
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"When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!"
-cheer leading, flag waving American
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yeah lol Hitler must be mad about all the "traitors" in Germany today...in hell.
This still wouldn't sway my opinion that there were hidden motives behind 9/11. this is one, tiny, section of the entire conspirecy theory. Not to mention, a plane hitting the building could quite easily be faked. Why did they wait 5 years to show the evidence?
If they can fake a man landing on the moon, they can fake anything. Nuff said
Did anyone else not see a plane in that video?
All I saw was the explosion and they released pics of that years ago.
EDIT: Nevermind...Saw it. Didn't look much like plane though. It still didn't hit the lawn like they said it did.
I have NO CLUE how the OP can say this blows anything out of the water...
If you believe in the offical theorys then watch Lose Change video... its proves without a shaddow of a doubt that the entire thing was a huge conspiricy.
If it wasnt then why all the cloak and dagger? They could EASILY disprove it all but they don't, because the evidence would work to the contrary.
Kind of like all the Loose Change people?
What version of the film are they on now? You know, now that they've had a chance to make it more vague and erase their most egregious errors