As I'm sure many others will point out, as long as the majority of people keep pre-ordering/day-one-purchasing, it will be acceptable to studios. "Better to ask for forgiveness than permission" applies.
Lack of patience earns no pity in my book. Preorders were neat when people had to go buy a physical copy at the store, but with digital downloads, pre-orders are basically a free pass for the publishers. They double down by giving exclusive freebies. Sure, some people may get their money back, but most impatient people won’t bother because it takes too long. These publishers really know their market.
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I like to think of myself as a man of even standards. I can't call Bethesda out for unacceptable lack of quality standards, then give CDPR a pass. It's unacceptable for both of them, and I'm going to be looking at CDPR games with more skepticism in the future.
I would be just as livid if one of my favorite franchises did this. I have to call it out now so that doesn't happen later.
The fanboying in this industry is reaching satirical levels of absurdity, and it's sad that companies think - no, know that they can release a game and know there will people defending its state. We've actively reached the hypothetical that "a game can be buggy as hell and fanboys will still defend it." It's wild. But I doubt people are going to learn, this is just going to escalate release after release until someone - platforms, consumer bases, whatever - actually intervene in a meaningful way. Doubt it, though, because capitalism.
Anyway, great words as always, total stranger-man Joseph :P
What's absurd to me is your so hot under the collar about it.
The industry is anywhere near a point where it needs an intervention. Plenty of games get released with minimal bugs. I see no escalation happening. What I see happening is a consumer base that expects bigger and better at a faster and faster pace. If your thinking that this game or any game here after will be released with no bugs at all at some point, well don't hold your breath. Every game will always have bugs, some more than others. I saw my first bug tonight, a car floating off the ground about a foot. Didn't bother me at all. I've been playing games for 40+ years, I've seen bugs in every game I've ever played. The expectation that these massive games that the developers are making these days will be absolutely perfect on day one is nuts. Label me a fanboy all you want. I have nothing to learn. I'm enjoying the game.
If you aren't satisfied with the state of this game or any other game at release, then you should know enough to wait until they patch it. No one said you had to buy it on day one.
The outrage people have over these things is beyond me. It's wild.
While everyone is focusing on bugs and console performance - the real issue is how the actual gameplay is nowhere near what was promised.
They delivered a shallow action game with a super short main story, awful AI and very light on content... after 8 years of development. But it has a spec tree so .. it must be an RPG - I can hear everyone saying this now - go play it - this game is so light on RPG elements, it's such a shame.
But hey eye candy for nvidia 3000 owners.. right?
That's all that matters ... /facepalm
CDPR went from a trustworthy company focusing on quality to just another cash grab game dev - greed is such a fucking disgusting disease.
I am thoroughly disgusted with the game. Non-stop bugs, I have had to re-install twice now to get around game breaking bugs, I constantly have to log out then log back in to get around broken quests, the list goes on and on. CDPR should be ashamed of releasing burning trash pile like this.
I haver said it in the past, and I let myself be taken in with this game, pre-orders are a bad idea. Anyway, the game is broken, I have over 30 hours in at this point not actual play time mind you, logging in and out, re-installing, playing as a character I never wanted to be, being forced to do missions in this "open world" game (it's not). The entire package is just completely disappointing and even when it does work properly...it's still just the same old boring ass story seen in every RPG ever.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
I think the game is a technical feat, it runs perfect for me, there are some bugs but I am very happy with the title, I think they shouldn't have launched the game on the base consoles plain and simple, maybe offer a discount bundle for the next gen consoles that include the game or something. I really look forward to seeing what they are going to add to the game, and i hope its more customization options, more voice actors for V, more content of course and deeper life path story/interactions to chew on.
I like to think of myself as a man of even standards. I can't call Bethesda out for unacceptable lack of quality standards, then give CDPR a pass. It's unacceptable for both of them, and I'm going to be looking at CDPR games with more skepticism in the future.
I would be just as livid if one of my favorite franchises did this. I have to call it out now so that doesn't happen later.
The fanboying in this industry is reaching satirical levels of absurdity, and it's sad that companies think - no, know that they can release a game and know there will people defending its state. We've actively reached the hypothetical that "a game can be buggy as hell and fanboys will still defend it." It's wild. But I doubt people are going to learn, this is just going to escalate release after release until someone - platforms, consumer bases, whatever - actually intervene in a meaningful way. Doubt it, though, because capitalism.
Anyway, great words as always, total stranger-man Joseph :P
Yeah I really don't think this fits the bill of other games that have been in similar situations. Is it bad? Yes, should they be held accountable? Absolutely, Are they being like one of the big boys and saying OOPS my bad DEAL WITH IT? No they are not. They said sorry, we will fix it, and if you dont want to wait or dont trust us then here is your money back. Honestly they didnt have to do that. Knowing how the industry has been they very easily could have just left things as is and never batted an eyelash. LIke you said, people wouldnt learn anyways right? But that is not what is going on this time. They know they are not as big as the others, and if they dont deliver and treat us right then we the consumer will consume them instead of their games. I think many are jumping the gun on them due to how they have been treated by the big guys and it has taken all sympathy, understanding, and critical thinking about a situation out of the equation of most peoples minds. So far everyone sounds like "GIMME WHAT I WANT OR I HATE NOW!" its sad honestly...
While everyone is focusing on bugs and console performance - the real issue is how the actual gameplay is nowhere near what was promised.
They delivered a shallow action game with a super short main story, awful AI and very light on content... after 8 years of development. But it has a spec tree so .. it must be an RPG - I can hear everyone saying this now - go play it - this game is so light on RPG elements, it's such a shame.
But hey eye candy for nvidia 3000 owners.. right?
That's all that matters ... /facepalm
CDPR went from a trustworthy company focusing on quality to just another cash grab game dev - greed is such a fucking disgusting disease.
I aggree with most of what you say I however do not think they are a cash grab company suddenly. I think they deserve some more time to patch this up and see what happens as I feel this was clearly rushed out and just wasn't ready yet.
Could have used another year of work I think.
My worry is that they may be more interested in developing the MP over the single player we have now.
Why did CDPR prevent media from using their own footage prior to launch? Obviously to hide the state of the game - because it would lose them sales and pre-orders.
To me this is clear proof that money > everything to CDPR and that is the very definition of a cash grab.
They did not deliver the game they promised, and they wanted to hide this as long as possible to not lose their 8 million + pre-orders.
The game can't be "patched up" - because the problems run way deeper than just bugs - the core game design is an action game and not an RPG - how are they going to fix that - it would require a massive amount of redesign.
Even as a shooter/action game - it's totally mediocre as far as gun play and melee combat is as basic as it gets - so they didn't even deliver a good action game.
Like WTF did they do for 8 years - just worked on graphics and built the city???
Huh funny, im pretty sure I saw lots of reviews and streamers say how buggy it was before Day 1 patch. In fact that is what caused many of my friends to hold off on buying the game, and that was their decision over a week before launch. The core game design is an action not an RPG???? are you saying thats how its supposed to be or thats how you see it? Cause once you figure in a massive skill system, damage and stat numbers, loads of meaningful decisions whether they be big or small, and more time spent in dialog than fighting, I would say it fits the RPG bill not the action shooter bill. In fact many online are complaining that they thought they were buying an FPS not a major RPG. If you see gunplay as mediocre then you havent played. The sheer amount of ways to kill someone is breathtaking alone, Do I use my mantis blades and dice them taking off whatever limbs I choose to strike? Do I use a standard rifle and riddle them with holes? do I use my power percision rifle and take off body parts/light them on fire with chemicals? Do I stealth the situation and break necks and snipe? Do I use lethal weapons or go pacifist? Do I use explosives? Hey maybe ill hack that smart fright pallet and cause its load to suddely let go smashing a man to death. Maybe ill turn the turrets against them, How about the quick combos? did you even know those exist? I could go one with the sheer amount of ways I have killed people.
I could literally pick a part your entire post further with details but I dont have the time for that. Game needs bugs fixed for sure but this game has loads of depth in both RPG and Combat.
It is not as if bugs and performance issues never existed before CP 2077 came out, so I think any outrage is rather overwrought. But this is why those of us who don't pre-order or CF have that attitude. We will play a far better game down the line, why bang your head against a wall now?
When it comes to the consoles, are we going to let old consoles chain the graphics and gameplay of gaming to the past? Let this be the reason you get a new console or even better a decent gaming PC. Are they responsible if it does not work to well on old consoles when they said it would, sure get your money back or get a new machine, your choice.
Finally when it comes to the actual review I am expecting a 9.0, if the likes of Genshin Impact can get that this deserves the same!
Cyberpunk 2077 is a travesty of a game, and this is coming from someone that has put 31 hours into the game at this point. The bugs are numerous, and anyone who is saying they aren't seeing bugs is lying or oblivious. Straight up. These bugs are present on PCs universally, it's not a hardware or software configuration that is causing them. NPCs vanish into thin air (try looking up while in on a crowded street, fire off a non-silenced shot from any weapon and then look back in front of you). If thirty NPCs were walking around, they aren't now. They've totally vanished. Bugs that cause instantaneous death. Hard crashes. Quests not working. T-posing NPCs, or npcs that are gliding around on the ground. A totally broken "wanted system", if you want to call it that. Police literally spawn on you in the middle of nowhere.
Besides all of that, the totally fucking borked console release. You don't have to look around on the internet very hard to see marketing and promised features that got axed or that were talked about and then just didn't materialize in the game. This game needed another six months, maybe eight before being released.
Ok lets talk about Bugs, They suck to see. Are they universal??? Nope not at all. Lemme give you an example. My buddy started the game to see people popping in, Tposing, could see trees through the environment, cars randomly appearing, it was a mess. So I told him to update his graphics driver and install the game on his SSD (which it wasnt installed to.) and after a couple hours and downloads.....ALL....ALL!! of those listed issues I mentioned vanished.
I myself have had bugs, yeah the occasional car will stop driving and cause a backup, for a good bit my pants vanished while looking in the mirrior (free ball MF), Left a sex scene once to have 3 people standing in the room (no damn privacy).
Police for the wanted system? Yeah pretty sure I see them drop in using their vehicles, or drive up in cars and surround me.
your NPC problem? well I havent run into that one yet. If I shoot people run for the hills or some randoms even say hell yeah and start shooting back.
Only annoying thing I have had was I had to restart the game due to my fast travel system saying unavailable. Other than that....nada...zilch...zero, some very funny bugs yes, but nothing game breaking.
They apologized, you can get a refund. Not really sure what MORE people want from them.
The media be is social, broadcaster, paper or forums needs drama, this story followed a classic format: It was going to be the best thing ever, a company with a string of huge hits, the most awaited title in years. It has launched, it is the best game ever.
But a good news story does not end there, it has legs if something goes wrong: The bugs, the performance it is not the best thing ever.
Give it a week from now, no more than a month: They sorted out the bugs, sorted out most of the performance issues, it is nearly the best thing ever.
Quite simply you can't milk a good story too much.
They apologized, you can get a refund. Not really sure what MORE people want from them.
The media be is social, broadcaster, paper or forums needs drama, this story followed a classic format: It was going to be the best thing ever, a company with a string of huge hits, the most awaited title in years. It has launched it is the best game ever.
But a good news story does not end there, it has legs if something goes wrong: The bugs, the performance it is not the best thing ever.
Give it a week from now, no more than a month: They sorted out the bugs, sorted out most of the performance issues, it is nearly the best thing ever.
Quite simply you can't milk a good story too much.
I will bet it's not fixed in a month... why, 8 years
They refunded right so they'll fix it and then you can buy the game again when they do. I can see people getting upset if they didn't offer a refund but they have offered it.
While everyone is focusing on bugs and console performance - the real issue is how the actual gameplay is nowhere near what was promised.
They delivered a shallow action game with a super short main story, awful AI and very light on content... after 8 years of development. But it has a spec tree so .. it must be an RPG - I can hear everyone saying this now - go play it - this game is so light on RPG elements, it's such a shame.
But hey eye candy for nvidia 3000 owners.. right?
That's all that matters ... /facepalm
CDPR went from a trustworthy company focusing on quality to just another cash grab game dev - greed is such a fucking disgusting disease.
I aggree with most of what you say I however do not think they are a cash grab company suddenly. I think they deserve some more time to patch this up and see what happens as I feel this was clearly rushed out and just wasn't ready yet.
Could have used another year of work I think.
My worry is that they may be more interested in developing the MP over the single player we have now.
Why did CDPR prevent media from using their own footage prior to launch? Obviously to hide the state of the game - because it would lose them sales and pre-orders.
To me this is clear proof that money > everything to CDPR and that is the very definition of a cash grab.
They did not deliver the game they promised, and they wanted to hide this as long as possible to not lose their 8 million + pre-orders.
The game can't be "patched up" - because the problems run way deeper than just bugs - the core game design is an action game and not an RPG - how are they going to fix that - it would require a massive amount of redesign.
Even as a shooter/action game - it's totally mediocre as far as gun play and melee combat is as basic as it gets - so they didn't even deliver a good action game.
Like WTF did they do for 8 years - just worked on graphics and built the city???
Huh funny, im pretty sure I saw lots of reviews and streamers say how buggy it was before Day 1 patch. In fact that is what caused many of my friends to hold off on buying the game, and that was their decision over a week before launch. The core game design is an action not an RPG???? are you saying thats how its supposed to be or thats how you see it? Cause once you figure in a massive skill system, damage and stat numbers, loads of meaningful decisions whether they be big or small, and more time spent in dialog than fighting, I would say it fits the RPG bill not the action shooter bill. In fact many online are complaining that they thought they were buying an FPS not a major RPG. If you see gunplay as mediocre then you havent played. The sheer amount of ways to kill someone is breathtaking alone, Do I use my mantis blades and dice them taking off whatever limbs I choose to strike? Do I use a standard rifle and riddle them with holes? do I use my power percision rifle and take off body parts/light them on fire with chemicals? Do I stealth the situation and break necks and snipe? Do I use lethal weapons or go pacifist? Do I use explosives? Hey maybe ill hack that smart fright pallet and cause its load to suddely let go smashing a man to death. Maybe ill turn the turrets against them, How about the quick combos? did you even know those exist? I could go one with the sheer amount of ways I have killed people.
I could literally pick a part your entire post further with details but I dont have the time for that. Game needs bugs fixed for sure but this game has loads of depth in both RPG and Combat.
The only correct decision to your combat options is to go with the one which is optimal in terms of speed and efficiency.
John Wick could kill a man with a pencil, or even a horse, but more often than not he went with the "bullet time" option.
Most players will gravitate towards the one or two FOTM builds and utilize it most the time unless the gameplay forces them into an alternative solution.
For me the answer is almost always to go with bullet time...hack a door, naw, shoot it open. Negotiate with an NPC criminal, naw shoot him down. Crack a safe, OK, blow it open with explosive, or....shoot it assuming the game permits me to choose that option.
I mean you could choose other courses of action for role playing reasons but that's just not me, when in doubt...it's bullet time.
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I hate that people have had problems with this title, but I've been loving it!
I think it's a great game, and I think they did a great job! Bravo.
Maybe it's because I'm not trying to play it on the older gen consoles, or maybe it's because I'm playing it on Stadia, but I've not had any of these giant problems/bugs others have.
I feel terrible for the gamers that have had issues though. They've apologized, and offered refunds. What more could you want? Them to be hung on a cross?!
I love the game. I love Stadia. CP2077 is awesome.
"The question that keeps coming to my mind is how much of this could have been avoided had CDPR simply delayed Cyberpunk 2077 indefinitely?"
Could they have?
Maybe there wasn't much of a choice. Maybe it was publish or perish.
Well right now it doesn't matter any more! Their reputation is completely in tatters anyway!
And now they offer refunds, you can bet that a lot of console players are going to take them up on that offer. So its going to be a huge financial hit to them no matter what.
Good luck in getting them to buy the game again in the future, unless its in the 1-dollar bin.
I am considering taking them up on this offer with my XBox copy. Even though it runs fine on my XBox One X, but because its totally barebones game with a ton of promised features missing! A lot of the most excited features are simply absent from the game! Features that will never be added.
CD Project Red literally pulled a No Man's Sky on us with this game!
So yeah... I honestly think I am just going to return it. Even though I got it fairly cheap for 40 bucks.
All the big releases seem to get massive hate these days. I really liked Mass Effect Andromeda for example but it was a shit storm when it launched. I think slamming a big release gets more views/clicks than a positive write up. Unless the publisher pays big bucks to promote it. Maybe CDPR didnt spend enough money on marketing shills in the media.
However I have to add, big cyberpunk fan here, not impressed by the game. I see no point in spending money on things like Keanu Reeves instead of gameplay depth, systems and immersion. Baldurs Gate 3 will be the next one to fail.
Or it could be that the new generation of developers raised on cash shops, soloing, accessability/easy, you know can i fix my hair 300 different ways and get a tattoo just dont know how to make good games. Lets not forget god forbid I have to read something need fully voiced, lyp synced with evry strain of hair just right.
However I have to add, big cyberpunk fan here, not impressed by the game. I see no point in spending money on things like Keanu Reeves instead of gameplay depth, systems and immersion. Baldurs Gate 3 will be the next one to fail.
Or it could be that the new generation of developers raised on cash shops, soloing, accessability/easy, you know can i fix my hair 300 different ways and get a tattoo just dont know how to make good games. Lets not forget god forbid I have to read something need fully voiced, lyp synced with evry strain of hair just right.
Even though I am a big fan of Keanu Reeves, I think it was just a complete waste of money to use him for this game. Especially if they were clearly struggling in development and secretly scrapped most of the exciting features from the game!
If they did not use Keanu Reeves, they could have used all that money to delay the game for another year and get the promised features in and do it right!
Right now, with the current state of the game. Keanu Reeves is nothing more than sales prop to sell this game. Just a complete waste of development budget!
Guess finishing AC and waiting to buy Cyberpunk for a month or so post-release was a smart move. All I'm hearing is noise, yet from people who still bought a product day 1 and expected perfection. Read/watch a review and make an informed decision beforehand.
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It is not as if bugs and performance issues never existed before CP 2077 came out, so I think any outrage is rather overwrought. But this is why those of us who don't pre-order or CF have that attitude. We will play a far better game down the line, why bang your head against a wall now?
When it comes to the consoles, are we going to let old consoles chain the graphics and gameplay of gaming to the past? Let this be the reason you get a new console or even better a decent gaming PC. Are they responsible if it does not work to well on old consoles when they said it would, sure get your money back or get a new machine, your choice.
Finally when it comes to the actual review I am expecting a 9.0, if the likes of Genshin Impact can get that this deserves the same!
This is like buying a game for the Gameboy, and wondering why it doesn't look like the N64 version.
7 year old hardware just can't handle the density of this game.
People frequently like to use Red Dead 2, Ghosts of Tsushima, and TLoU2 as examples of games that look pretty, and run okay on a base last gen console, but other than them being open world, they share almost no similarities.
2 of those games only needed to work on PS4 base, and PS4 pro making it a lot easier to develop within those boundaries,
Their worlds have minimal interactivity in them. a few chests, or supply pick up spots per location, when your character moves through tall grass the ones in your immediate area will kind of move based on character position.
and there is a stark difference in density. Those other games you have 3-16 NPC's max before you start to see drastic performance deficits on base consoles. If you go into Saint Denis on a base PS4 you're gonna have a bad time.
If you bunched up these games to have similar density to Cyberpunk 2077, your base Playstation will commit seppeku.
I have played the game on my son's base PS4, my PS4pro, and my computer, and the Base console barely runs it. I have bugs, but they haven't prevented progress in the 25 hours I got on it, and only 2 crashes.
On the Pro it runs significantly better than the base PS4. You get a few more NPC's on the screen at a time, there is texture pop in, hard locks, and I had 1 crash when I went to see the Ripperdoc. I played on this version for almost 30 hours.
on PC it runs crazy good. I have it installed on my SSD. I have an R9 390 from AMD, 16gb of ram, and a 6 core processor by AMD. So I would guess a lower mid line machine, and I can run the game at 60fps on high settings. I haven't had any bugs, or any crashes in 18 hours of play so far.
I think the main issue people are having, is that the next generation of consoles is as large of graphical leap forward as previous generations, so to someone who doesn't know anything about hardware specifications, and bottle necks is going to point at games that "Look great" on an OG PS4, without having a frame of reference.
When more people adopt the next gen consoles, I think a lot of opinions will change in regard to Cyberpunk. From what I have noticed, it seems like the game needs an SSD to run at it's best. By the time the adoption numbers for next gen are higher, they will have made Cyberpunk serviceable enough on base PS4 to where it will run comparable to most other games of that generation.
I do think the base consoles have hamstrung the development, and progression of video games for about 4 years, and I am so glad that we are almost to the point of putting it on the shelf. I love the PS4, but these last 3 or 4 years have been painful, from games that crash for no reason, to the 2-5 minute load screens.
If you don't want to wait for patches, get a refund. They had said back in October that the game would have issues, and that they would be working post launch to fix them, add content, and improve performance, and they stated that again yesterday.
Any articles, or web content beyond that just seems like click baiting.
You make it sound like last gen console gamers are at fault for a crap version of a game released for last gen consoles? That is a terrible stance and one that even CDPR does not share.
SVP of business development, Michał Nowakowski:
"....Nowakowski seems to imply that the company simply didn't realise how broken some versions of the game were: "It is more about us looking – as was previously stated – at the PC and next-gen performance rather than current-gen. We definitely did not spend enough time looking at that."
As part of the same line of questioning, the board was asked how the game passed certification on Xbox and PlayStation, which appears to come down to trust from the console companies. "In terms of the certification process and the third parties," Nowakowski explained, "this is definitely on our side. I can only assume that they trusted that we’re going to fix things upon release, and that obviously did not come together exactly as we had planned."
Fans can stand in denial all they want to but CDPR is openly admitting they did not meet expectations, on any platform.
From what we have seen here I don't think you can say it has not met expectations on the PC. I don't want the future of gaming to be determined by old consoles, do you? They offered a refund, what more do you what them to do, set fire to themselves?
This is the sort of outrage level we had with Anthem and FO76, which puzzles me as this game seems far more play ready.
They apologized, you can get a refund. Not really sure what MORE people want from them.
The media be is social, broadcaster, paper or forums needs drama, this story followed a classic format: It was going to be the best thing ever, a company with a string of huge hits, the most awaited title in years. It has launched, it is the best game ever.
But a good news story does not end there, it has legs if something goes wrong: The bugs, the performance it is not the best thing ever.
Give it a week from now, no more than a month: They sorted out the bugs, sorted out most of the performance issues, it is nearly the best thing ever.
Quite simply you can't milk a good story too much.
Best game ever? Mate, as is, it's not even the best RPG this year (a year that has seen Wasteland 3 and FF7R), let alone the best game this year.
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What's absurd to me is your so hot under the collar about it.
The industry is anywhere near a point where it needs an intervention. Plenty of games get released with minimal bugs. I see no escalation happening. What I see happening is a consumer base that expects bigger and better at a faster and faster pace. If your thinking that this game or any game here after will be released with no bugs at all at some point, well don't hold your breath. Every game will always have bugs, some more than others. I saw my first bug tonight, a car floating off the ground about a foot. Didn't bother me at all. I've been playing games for 40+ years, I've seen bugs in every game I've ever played. The expectation that these massive games that the developers are making these days will be absolutely perfect on day one is nuts. Label me a fanboy all you want. I have nothing to learn. I'm enjoying the game.
If you aren't satisfied with the state of this game or any other game at release, then you should know enough to wait until they patch it. No one said you had to buy it on day one.
The outrage people have over these things is beyond me. It's wild.
I am thoroughly disgusted with the game. Non-stop bugs, I have had to re-install twice now to get around game breaking bugs, I constantly have to log out then log back in to get around broken quests, the list goes on and on. CDPR should be ashamed of releasing burning trash pile like this.
I haver said it in the past, and I let myself be taken in with this game, pre-orders are a bad idea. Anyway, the game is broken, I have over 30 hours in at this point not actual play time mind you, logging in and out, re-installing, playing as a character I never wanted to be, being forced to do missions in this "open world" game (it's not). The entire package is just completely disappointing and even when it does work properly...it's still just the same old boring ass story seen in every RPG ever.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
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Yeah I really don't think this fits the bill of other games that have been in similar situations. Is it bad? Yes, should they be held accountable? Absolutely, Are they being like one of the big boys and saying OOPS my bad DEAL WITH IT? No they are not. They said sorry, we will fix it, and if you dont want to wait or dont trust us then here is your money back. Honestly they didnt have to do that. Knowing how the industry has been they very easily could have just left things as is and never batted an eyelash. LIke you said, people wouldnt learn anyways right? But that is not what is going on this time. They know they are not as big as the others, and if they dont deliver and treat us right then we the consumer will consume them instead of their games. I think many are jumping the gun on them due to how they have been treated by the big guys and it has taken all sympathy, understanding, and critical thinking about a situation out of the equation of most peoples minds. So far everyone sounds like "GIMME WHAT I WANT OR I HATE NOW!" its sad honestly...
Huh funny, im pretty sure I saw lots of reviews and streamers say how buggy it was before Day 1 patch. In fact that is what caused many of my friends to hold off on buying the game, and that was their decision over a week before launch. The core game design is an action not an RPG???? are you saying thats how its supposed to be or thats how you see it? Cause once you figure in a massive skill system, damage and stat numbers, loads of meaningful decisions whether they be big or small, and more time spent in dialog than fighting, I would say it fits the RPG bill not the action shooter bill. In fact many online are complaining that they thought they were buying an FPS not a major RPG. If you see gunplay as mediocre then you havent played. The sheer amount of ways to kill someone is breathtaking alone, Do I use my mantis blades and dice them taking off whatever limbs I choose to strike? Do I use a standard rifle and riddle them with holes? do I use my power percision rifle and take off body parts/light them on fire with chemicals? Do I stealth the situation and break necks and snipe? Do I use lethal weapons or go pacifist? Do I use explosives? Hey maybe ill hack that smart fright pallet and cause its load to suddely let go smashing a man to death. Maybe ill turn the turrets against them, How about the quick combos? did you even know those exist? I could go one with the sheer amount of ways I have killed people.
I could literally pick a part your entire post further with details but I dont have the time for that. Game needs bugs fixed for sure but this game has loads of depth in both RPG and Combat.
When it comes to the consoles, are we going to let old consoles chain the graphics and gameplay of gaming to the past? Let this be the reason you get a new console or even better a decent gaming PC. Are they responsible if it does not work to well on old consoles when they said it would, sure get your money back or get a new machine, your choice.
Finally when it comes to the actual review I am expecting a 9.0, if the likes of Genshin Impact can get that this deserves the same!
Ok lets talk about Bugs, They suck to see. Are they universal??? Nope not at all. Lemme give you an example. My buddy started the game to see people popping in, Tposing, could see trees through the environment, cars randomly appearing, it was a mess. So I told him to update his graphics driver and install the game on his SSD (which it wasnt installed to.) and after a couple hours and downloads.....ALL....ALL!! of those listed issues I mentioned vanished.
I myself have had bugs, yeah the occasional car will stop driving and cause a backup, for a good bit my pants vanished while looking in the mirrior (free ball MF), Left a sex scene once to have 3 people standing in the room (no damn privacy).
Police for the wanted system? Yeah pretty sure I see them drop in using their vehicles, or drive up in cars and surround me.
your NPC problem? well I havent run into that one yet. If I shoot people run for the hills or some randoms even say hell yeah and start shooting back.
Only annoying thing I have had was I had to restart the game due to my fast travel system saying unavailable. Other than that....nada...zilch...zero, some very funny bugs yes, but nothing game breaking.
But a good news story does not end there, it has legs if something goes wrong: The bugs, the performance it is not the best thing ever.
Give it a week from now, no more than a month: They sorted out the bugs, sorted out most of the performance issues, it is nearly the best thing ever.
Quite simply you can't milk a good story too much.
John Wick could kill a man with a pencil, or even a horse, but more often than not he went with the "bullet time" option.
Most players will gravitate towards the one or two FOTM builds and utilize it most the time unless the gameplay forces them into an alternative solution.
For me the answer is almost always to go with bullet time...hack a door, naw, shoot it open. Negotiate with an NPC criminal, naw shoot him down. Crack a safe, OK, blow it open with explosive, or....shoot it assuming the game permits me to choose that option.
I mean you could choose other courses of action for role playing reasons but that's just not me, when in doubt...it's bullet time.
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I think it's a great game, and I think they did a great job! Bravo.
Maybe it's because I'm not trying to play it on the older gen consoles, or maybe it's because I'm playing it on Stadia, but I've not had any of these giant problems/bugs others have.
I feel terrible for the gamers that have had issues though. They've apologized, and offered refunds. What more could you want? Them to be hung on a cross?!
I love the game. I love Stadia. CP2077 is awesome.
I've said my piece and I've counted to three.
Well right now it doesn't matter any more! Their reputation is completely in tatters anyway!
And now they offer refunds, you can bet that a lot of console players are going to take them up on that offer. So its going to be a huge financial hit to them no matter what.
Good luck in getting them to buy the game again in the future, unless its in the 1-dollar bin.
I am considering taking them up on this offer with my XBox copy. Even though it runs fine on my XBox One X, but because its totally barebones game with a ton of promised features missing! A lot of the most excited features are simply absent from the game! Features that will never be added.
CD Project Red literally pulled a No Man's Sky on us with this game!
So yeah... I honestly think I am just going to return it. Even though I got it fairly cheap for 40 bucks.
However I have to add, big cyberpunk fan here, not impressed by the game. I see no point in spending money on things like Keanu Reeves instead of gameplay depth, systems and immersion. Baldurs Gate 3 will be the next one to fail. Or it could be that the new generation of developers raised on cash shops, soloing, accessability/easy, you know can i fix my hair 300 different ways and get a tattoo just dont know how to make good games. Lets not forget god forbid I have to read something need fully voiced, lyp synced with evry strain of hair just right.
Even though I am a big fan of Keanu Reeves, I think it was just a complete waste of money to use him for this game. Especially if they were clearly struggling in development and secretly scrapped most of the exciting features from the game!
If they did not use Keanu Reeves, they could have used all that money to delay the game for another year and get the promised features in and do it right!
Right now, with the current state of the game. Keanu Reeves is nothing more than sales prop to sell this game. Just a complete waste of development budget!
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This is the sort of outrage level we had with Anthem and FO76, which puzzles me as this game seems far more play ready.
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