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  • UngoodUngood Member LegendaryPosts: 7,534
    Ungood said:
    Ungood said:
    Ungood said:
    Maps are too small, not enough content. 40 man groups dominating small areas. RIP
    Don't tell @Slapshot1188 this, he thinks there are only groups of 10 - 15 people around.
    I don't think you got the point of his comment...


    I would slap you back for this kind of ridiculous cluelessness, but, really, with how much you are whining about this game.. you look like a gutter rat that just got drowned, and I am getting to the point where I almost feel bad for you.

    and since it's so important to you, last I looked, 135 of my guild mates are logged in.

    because I know how important that is to you.
    2953 total players.  And please, if we want to talk Credibility and cluelessness we can go back to talking about how you thought there were 480,000 people that bought the game.  Or that you were server locked and could never switch servers...  So how about we leave the insults out?

    As a grown ass adult, when I was shown my mistake, I accepted the correction and moved on with my life, unlike you, when called out for citing a bot that was off, you cried and whined it for a whole page.. and last I looked.. you were still crying about it... we could talk about that too.. would that make you happy?

    Also.. 87 Members of my Guild are On.. because it matters so much to you.
    Sure dude.  Sure. 


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  • kinkyJalepenokinkyJalepeno Member UncommonPosts: 1,044


    This is really the main complaint from everyone playing and it could be the death of it. I will admit that on my Champion it is not so bad but I did start as an archer first and animations lacked any impact.





    This is my only gripe albeit a big one. I will hit 30 today and try some pvp this weekend to see if its going to be Crowfall or New World for me.



    I can pretty much guarantee it will be the latter.
    Ungood
  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 17,651
    Ungood said:
    Ungood said:
    Ungood said:
    Ungood said:
    Maps are too small, not enough content. 40 man groups dominating small areas. RIP
    Don't tell @Slapshot1188 this, he thinks there are only groups of 10 - 15 people around.
    I don't think you got the point of his comment...


    I would slap you back for this kind of ridiculous cluelessness, but, really, with how much you are whining about this game.. you look like a gutter rat that just got drowned, and I am getting to the point where I almost feel bad for you.

    and since it's so important to you, last I looked, 135 of my guild mates are logged in.

    because I know how important that is to you.
    2953 total players.  And please, if we want to talk Credibility and cluelessness we can go back to talking about how you thought there were 480,000 people that bought the game.  Or that you were server locked and could never switch servers...  So how about we leave the insults out?

    As a grown ass adult, when I was shown my mistake, I accepted the correction and moved on with my life, unlike you, when called out for citing a bot that was off, you cried and whined it for a whole page.. and last I looked.. you were still crying about it... we could talk about that too.. would that make you happy?

    Also.. 87 Members of my Guild are On.. because it matters so much to you.
    Sure dude.  Sure. 


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    Yeah, you still don't even understand it. Thats OK. 
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  • UngoodUngood Member LegendaryPosts: 7,534
    Ungood said:
    Ungood said:
    Ungood said:
    Ungood said:
    Maps are too small, not enough content. 40 man groups dominating small areas. RIP
    Don't tell @Slapshot1188 this, he thinks there are only groups of 10 - 15 people around.
    I don't think you got the point of his comment...


    I would slap you back for this kind of ridiculous cluelessness, but, really, with how much you are whining about this game.. you look like a gutter rat that just got drowned, and I am getting to the point where I almost feel bad for you.

    and since it's so important to you, last I looked, 135 of my guild mates are logged in.

    because I know how important that is to you.
    2953 total players.  And please, if we want to talk Credibility and cluelessness we can go back to talking about how you thought there were 480,000 people that bought the game.  Or that you were server locked and could never switch servers...  So how about we leave the insults out?

    As a grown ass adult, when I was shown my mistake, I accepted the correction and moved on with my life, unlike you, when called out for citing a bot that was off, you cried and whined it for a whole page.. and last I looked.. you were still crying about it... we could talk about that too.. would that make you happy?

    Also.. 87 Members of my Guild are On.. because it matters so much to you.
    Sure dude.  Sure. 


    Need a link?
    Yeah, you still don't even understand it. Thats OK. 
    No, I understand, better then you will ever know, it is you that doesn't quite get it, but, It's ok Slap, this and your other topics have shown there is a lot you don't understand.. what's one more thing.
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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 17,651
    Pedantic 
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  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,427
    On this thread as well same sort of provocation, we can be bigger than that it is really not that hard. 
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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 17,651
    Nyctelios said:
    When every single review touch on bad optimization and I read on these forums "the game runs smooth" I want to play that.

    Cause you sure ain't playing the same Crowfall we are playing.

    And, yeah, the game lacks feedback. Not only in combat. World interactions also lack weight, sound feedback and animation feedback.
    I’m not an apologist for the game by any means but it’s run fine on my system:  1060 (6GB), 32GB RAM, SSD.   I know people with far better systems than mine that have issues.  Not saying they don’t exist, but it seems to be hit or miss.  


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  • lahnmirlahnmir Member LegendaryPosts: 5,053
    Nyctelios said:
    When every single review touch on bad optimization and I read on these forums "the game runs smooth" I want to play that.

    Cause you sure ain't playing the same Crowfall we are playing.

    And, yeah, the game lacks feedback. Not only in combat. World interactions also lack weight, sound feedback and animation feedback.
    I’m not an apologist for the game by any means but it’s run fine on my system:  1060 (6GB), 32GB RAM, SSD.   I know people with far better systems than mine that have issues.  Not saying they don’t exist, but it seems to be hit or miss.  


    Swap the 1060 with an overclocked 1070 and you got my system. Performance went from reasonable in Beta to good at launch. No problems here as well.

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir
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    Kyleran on yours sincerely 


    'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'

    Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...



    'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless. 

    It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.

    It is just huge resource waste....'

    Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer

  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 17,651
    Nyctelios said:
    Yet thats top complain in every youtube review.

    When your game gets "even BDO remastered has bettter fps" something is wrong.

    I had FPS drops while idle, alone. Changing the settings does little to nothing. I'm not an isolate case.
    I totally believe you.  Ive got some guildies that have issues.  Just saying that it seems to be hit or miss.

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  • UngoodUngood Member LegendaryPosts: 7,534
    Scot said:
    On this thread as well same sort of provocation, we can be bigger than that it is really not that hard. 
    We could be.. but I don't see that as happening, after all, @Slapshot1188 ;and I have a long history, it started with him accusing me of being someone else when I first joined this forums, when he was exposed on being wrong, by the person he accused me of being, as opposed to being a grown ass adult, admitting his mistake, apologizing, and moving on, he blocked me and claimed I was stalking him, even had it in sig for a few years, so.. we have a history.. one that mainly consists of him being childish and refusing to own up to his mistakes and spreading lies about people.. So.. While we could be adults here, we all need to be adults here for that to happen, if only half of us adult, it won't work out, as that just results in rewarding childish behavior on his part.

    Just like when Slap corrected me on my numbers, I checked it out, realized I was wrong, did the adult thing, and adjusted my stand, and moved on, notice when Slap was called out on being wrong, he continues to petty bicker.

    So.. while we could.. I don't foresee that happening.
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  • YashaXYashaX Member EpicPosts: 3,100
    Ungood said:
    Scot said:
    On this thread as well same sort of provocation, we can be bigger than that it is really not that hard. 


    Just like when Slap corrected me on my numbers, I checked it out, realized I was wrong, did the adult thing, and adjusted my stand, and moved on, notice when Slap was called out on being wrong, he continues to petty bicker.

    No you didn't. You doubled down, deflected, attacked him and then continued to insert snide little insults in nearly every post related to this topic to date. 
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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 17,651
    edited July 2021
    YashaX said:
    Ungood said:
    Scot said:
    On this thread as well same sort of provocation, we can be bigger than that it is really not that hard. 


    Just like when Slap corrected me on my numbers, I checked it out, realized I was wrong, did the adult thing, and adjusted my stand, and moved on, notice when Slap was called out on being wrong, he continues to petty bicker.

    No you didn't. You doubled down, deflected, attacked him and then continued to insert snide little insults in nearly every post related to this topic to date. 
    It’s ok.  Let them post.  Folks can see it all clear as day.

    Not to mention what he thinks I should "apologize for" is posting a bot screenshot which was missing 110 TOTAL PLAYERS WORLDWIDE IN AN MMORPG!  No, not 110,000.  Not 11,000. Not even 1100.   110 players. LOL

    What he "apologized" for was insisting there were 480,000 paid accounts for the game (was about 80k at the time).   

    But that's OK...   just do like Elsa and Let it Go!  Lets stick to the combat and animation in this one.


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  • ScorchienScorchien Member LegendaryPosts: 8,914
    YashaX said:
    Ungood said:
    Scot said:
    On this thread as well same sort of provocation, we can be bigger than that it is really not that hard. 


    Just like when Slap corrected me on my numbers, I checked it out, realized I was wrong, did the adult thing, and adjusted my stand, and moved on, notice when Slap was called out on being wrong, he continues to petty bicker.

    No you didn't. You doubled down, deflected, attacked him and then continued to insert snide little insults in nearly every post related to this topic to date. 

    even went as far as to mention Slap and insult him in threads he was not even in ..

        Sooo.....  yea
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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 17,651
    Scorchien said:
    YashaX said:
    Ungood said:
    Scot said:
    On this thread as well same sort of provocation, we can be bigger than that it is really not that hard. 


    Just like when Slap corrected me on my numbers, I checked it out, realized I was wrong, did the adult thing, and adjusted my stand, and moved on, notice when Slap was called out on being wrong, he continues to petty bicker.

    No you didn't. You doubled down, deflected, attacked him and then continued to insert snide little insults in nearly every post related to this topic to date. 

    even went as far as to mention Slap and insult him in threads he was not even in ..

        Sooo.....  yea
    Really it’s ok guys.  Let’s not make the thread about this.  It’s just what they would prefer.  Besides, I like living rent free. 
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  • BruceYeeBruceYee Member EpicPosts: 2,556
    Supposed MMORPG fans on a MMORPG site trying to talk down by any means necessary the success of CF in each one of these threads is why more people and even older members no longer come here.. It's tribalism that becomes combative when people 'attempt' to discuss beyond what some legendary posters will allow because of their personal agendas..

    When information is presented that in any way seems like it will take away w/e psuedo power/control they believe they have they relentlessly pile on even when what they're saying no longer makes sense... perceived power is a helluva drug...

    Here's a FACT. NO ONE here can provide any definite mathematical answers for what CF is making because NO ONE here has their cash shop profit numbers. Everyone is just GUESSING. No one can guesstimate total profit and everything everyone here is writing when using that bot as their source is all just OPINION. Anyone here attacking others for their OPINION/guess when citing their own OPINION/guess as FACT or claiming/suggesting their opinion is more credible has an AGENDA. Until an investor like @Arkade or someone from ACE posts cash shop profit numbers everyone here is just GUESSING.
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  • mcrippinsmcrippins Member RarePosts: 1,642
    Nyctelios said:
    Yet thats top complain in every youtube review.

    When your game gets "even BDO remastered has bettter fps" something is wrong.

    I had FPS drops while idle, alone. Changing the settings does little to nothing. I'm not an isolate case.
    I've had absolutely ZERO performance issues with Crowfall. Sorry your experience hasn't been the same. 
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  • UngoodUngood Member LegendaryPosts: 7,534
    YashaX said:
    Ungood said:
    Scot said:
    On this thread as well same sort of provocation, we can be bigger than that it is really not that hard. 


    Just like when Slap corrected me on my numbers, I checked it out, realized I was wrong, did the adult thing, and adjusted my stand, and moved on, notice when Slap was called out on being wrong, he continues to petty bicker.

    No you didn't. You doubled down, deflected, attacked him and then continued to insert snide little insults in nearly every post related to this topic to date. 
    Nope.. Calling your Bullshit right now.

    Slap made his mention of the numbers, and When I looked into it, I realized I had made a mistake, and I adapted to the change in info.


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  • UngoodUngood Member LegendaryPosts: 7,534
    mcrippins said:
    Nyctelios said:
    Yet thats top complain in every youtube review.

    When your game gets "even BDO remastered has bettter fps" something is wrong.

    I had FPS drops while idle, alone. Changing the settings does little to nothing. I'm not an isolate case.
    I've had absolutely ZERO performance issues with Crowfall. Sorry your experience hasn't been the same. 
    I was playing a bit before, and I noticed I only ran into issues when I tied to tab into the guild discord, I think it's because my graphic card dances the line on acceptable.. so that extra demand may have been too much.
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  • UngoodUngood Member LegendaryPosts: 7,534
    Scorchien said:
    YashaX said:
    Ungood said:
    Scot said:
    On this thread as well same sort of provocation, we can be bigger than that it is really not that hard. 


    Just like when Slap corrected me on my numbers, I checked it out, realized I was wrong, did the adult thing, and adjusted my stand, and moved on, notice when Slap was called out on being wrong, he continues to petty bicker.

    No you didn't. You doubled down, deflected, attacked him and then continued to insert snide little insults in nearly every post related to this topic to date. 

    even went as far as to mention Slap and insult him in threads he was not even in ..

        Sooo.....  yea
    I must have missed that thread.. which one was that?
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  • YashaXYashaX Member EpicPosts: 3,100
    Zegaloth said:
    It’s ok.  Let them post.  Folks can see it all clear as day.

    Not to mention what he thinks I should "apologize for" is posting a bot screenshot which was missing 110 TOTAL PLAYERS WORLDWIDE IN AN MMORPG!  No, not 110,000.  Not 11,000. Not even 1100.   110 players. LOL



    Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 13,645 And looking at the total population on the Crowfallstatus site is flawed because it counts all the people who timed out due to AFK and are just sitting at the main menuCurrently 565 out of 3483.  You can weed those out for the current numbers but there is no way to do so historically that I see.  If there is a way please explain.  Also, is there a way to see more than 2 days data? 
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    July 10 edited July 10 Flag

    Highest server Pop I see for Dregs would be after 6PM when it hit 777 players.  Total Pop at that time across the globe was 3018.


    Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 13,652
    July 10 edited July 10 Flag

    I post actual numbers.  Facts, not "feels".  If you think having 3000 players over 13 servers is healthy, well, good for you!  But posting the actual numbers does not make one a "hater".
    Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 13,652 You are whining because the bot missed 100 people once.  Wow...

    Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 13,652
    July 10 edited July 10 Flag
    The tracker you linked includes all the people just sitting in the lobby not playing the game. That’s over 700 people right now.  Including me.  I just leave it connected so if there’s login issues I’m ok.

    Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 13,652 In essence you are making a stink because there might be 3100 players instead of 3000because a bot was not configured for a few hours a few days ago and missed a hundred players.

    Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 13,652 This argument is a joke.

    Just like the population.  But keep being pedantic.

    Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 13,652 Again, very, very pedantic.

    Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 13,653

    I post actual numbers.  Facts, not "feels"
    posting the actual numbers does not make one a "hater".






    What is your point? Why are you harrassing him for posting publically available figures? 
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  • BrainyBrainy Member EpicPosts: 2,206
    Its because the numbers are embarrassing.  They want to put their heads in the sand and think of happy thoughts.

    They cant handle that someone who likes the game can also have a realistic view and doesn't have to deny the reality.

    They want people to tow the line, maybe they think if they keep ridiculing anyone showing something negative to their opinion that they will stop posting.


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  • BruceYeeBruceYee Member EpicPosts: 2,556
    edited July 2021
    Brainy said:
    Its because the numbers are embarrassing.  They want to put their heads in the sand and think of happy thoughts.

    They cant handle that someone who likes the game can also have a realistic view and doesn't have to deny the reality.

    They want people to tow the line, maybe they think if they keep ridiculing anyone showing something negative to their opinion that they will stop posting.


    If 100 people were logged into the game... if people didn't have anyone to fight or things to do then you would be right but that isn't what's happening with CF...

    Certain people here claiming the game is a failure are the same people who defend crowdfunded early access UNITY asset MMO's with subs and UNITY scam tech/game demo MMO's with no launch date in sight... I capped UNITY because CF is also a Unity MMO.. One of those other MMO's cost the same box price of $40 as CF and has a sub($15) for the same price... it also has 100 players total... https://steamcharts.com/app/342940

    Below you can understand why those same people in their OWN words are attacking the game and it's sad that you of all people is falling for their manipulation campaign...

    Scorchien wrote that he DID NOT invest in the game. He has ALSO said that he was retired at 53 because he made good investments.. something he won't let any of us here forget... Do you know any investors? I do... nothing eats away at them more than to lose out on a GOOD investment... If CF succeeds and is bought out then that potential loss will eat away at him for the rest of his life... He has every reason to try and keep people away from the game because if it succeeds that means he was WRONG.

    Slap HIMSELF admitted that he was THE ONLY one of his friends enjoying the game. In other threads he refers to those same people as "The Guys" meaning those are the people he usually plays games with... If none of your gaming crew wants to play the game then what? do the math on that for me...

    "They cant handle that someone who likes the game can also have a realistic view and doesn't have to deny the reality."

    I agree with your statement so why am I supposed to believe a few people with obvious agendas + their followers vs MY OWN EYES. I log into the game I see tons of people... I go into PVP zones and get zerged like a noob... I visit Eternal Kingdoms and see the equivalent of hundreds of dollars spent on parcels + buildings...

    "Denying reality" would be saying the game is a failure ESPECIALLY a $20 million to make crowdfunded pvp MMO in 2021 if it didn't have any people to play/fight with... factor in TBC + all the other game launches + Steam sale and IMO CF is a success.

    IF they are not making as much money as they'd like here are a few FREE simple ideas/solutions just after thinking about it for 2 minutes...

    1. Add exclusive items to the 1 year sub in 2 months when the majority of the playerbase VIP runs out. That's 2 months to create exclusive cosmetic items for systems that are already built/in place. A building, aparcel, a couple mounts, maybe some cosmetics.. you have a little under 2 months chop chop..

    2. Add more limited time cosmetic deals to their store but make it for flat $ amount like Albion not cro that requires buying made up currency just to buy other made up stuff lol.

    3. Make a PVE Only world for PVE only players where items cannot be transferred to PVP worlds. PVE items cannot be sold in current vendor EK BUT make a special vendor that can only be created with PVE world items that sells ONLY PVE world items.




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  • BrainyBrainy Member EpicPosts: 2,206
    Zegaloth said:

    When I provide an alternate source of information it was dismissed because it had 300-700 inactive players being factored into it, which HE didn't like. I pointed out that HE posted inaccurate information, and that the bot he was using had an error, and didn't include the EU Dregs server, and rather than just apologize for the mistake, and move on, he says I am being pedantic.



    Just because he disagrees that 700 inactive players are not the same as concurrent players doesn't mean he didn't post facts.  It also doesn't make his posts are inaccurate.

    Just because you don't agree doesn't mean you have to go after him personally.

    Also because the bot he pulled from was 100 players off from your source.  LOL, here your are going after someone relentlessly, because a bot he pulled data from is off by 100 people from some source you are using? You are here trying to pretend you are some neutral observer that only cares about facts? Get a grip.

    pedantic
    adj. Characterized by a narrow, often ostentatious concern for academic knowledge and formal rules.

    Seems to fit if you are being nice.

    I would go further as I don't believe the charade you are trying pull off at all.  Your attempt to pretend to be a neutral observer then relentlessly attack anyone who posts anything factually negative about the game isn't fooling me.  Plenty of people are making completely erroneously statements and you seem to ignore them completely.  Who do you think you fooling with this act anyways?
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  • BrainyBrainy Member EpicPosts: 2,206
    BruceYee said:
    Brainy said:
    Its because the numbers are embarrassing.  They want to put their heads in the sand and think of happy thoughts.

    They cant handle that someone who likes the game can also have a realistic view and doesn't have to deny the reality.

    They want people to tow the line, maybe they think if they keep ridiculing anyone showing something negative to their opinion that they will stop posting.


    If 100 people were logged into the game... if people didn't have anyone to fight or things to do then you would be right but that isn't what's happening with CF...

    Certain people here claiming the game is a failure are the same people who defend crowdfunded early access UNITY asset MMO's with subs and UNITY scam tech/game demo MMO's with no launch date in sight... I capped UNITY because CF is also a Unity MMO.. One of those other MMO's cost the same box price of $40 as CF and has a sub($15) for the same price... it also has 100 players total... https://steamcharts.com/app/342940

    Below you can understand why those same people in their OWN words are attacking the game and it's sad that you of all people is falling for their manipulation campaign...

    Scorchien wrote that he DID NOT invest in the game. He has ALSO said that he was retired at 53 because he made good investments.. something he won't let any of us here forget... Do you know any investors? I do... nothing eats away at them more than to lose out on a GOOD investment... If CF succeeds and is bought out then that potential loss will eat away at him for the rest of his life... He has every reason to try and keep people away from the game because if it succeeds that means he was WRONG.

    Slap HIMSELF admitted that he was THE ONLY one of his friends enjoying the game. In other threads he refers to those same people as "The Guys" meaning those are the people he usually plays games with... If none of your gaming crew wants to play the game then what? do the math on that for me...

    "They cant handle that someone who likes the game can also have a realistic view and doesn't have to deny the reality."

    I agree with your statement so why am I supposed to believe a few people with obvious agendas + their followers vs MY OWN EYES. I log into the game I see tons of people... I go into PVP zones and get zerged like a noob... I visit Eternal Kingdoms and see the equivalent of hundreds of dollars spent on parcels + buildings...

    "Denying reality" would be saying the game is a failure ESPECIALLY a $20 million to make crowdfunded pvp MMO in 2021 if it didn't have any people to play/fight with... factor in TBC + all the other game launches + Steam sale and IMO CF is a success.

    IF they are not making as much money as they'd like here are a few FREE simple ideas/solutions just after thinking about it for 2 minutes...

    1. Add exclusive items to the 1 year sub in 2 months when the majority of the playerbase VIP runs out. That's 2 months to create exclusive cosmetic items for systems that are already built/in place. A building, aparcel, a couple mounts, maybe some cosmetics.. you have a little under 2 months chop chop..

    2. Add more limited time cosmetic deals to their store but make it for flat $ amount like Albion not cro that requires buying made up currency just to buy other made up stuff lol.

    3. Make a PVE Only world for PVE only players where items cannot be transferred to PVP worlds. PVE items cannot be sold in current vendor EK BUT make a special vendor that can only be created with PVE world items that sells ONLY PVE world items.





    Yeah I agree with you in some respects.  Most people do have agenda's.

    If people are being hypocritical then sure post that information.  Perfectly valid.

    I feel like the overarching sense there, is that this game didn't do well at launch.  It angers people that wanted it to do well.  Its annoying that the reality is being thrown in your face.

    Its like if a movie that comes out you think its amazing but it does horrible in the box office.  All the news wants to talk about is that its a flop financially.  It sucks I get it.

    Why feed the threads that talk about just numbers if you hate seeing them so much?  Why not do what Valheim players did and make a thread with the cool fun things they are doing in the game?  Sure you might still get some haters but just ignore them and move on.

    Your ideas, not sure if they will save the game or not.  Dev's should have been looking at this way before launch.


    Slapshot1188Gdemami
  • BrainyBrainy Member EpicPosts: 2,206
    Zegaloth said:

    Where did I disagree with him, and say his numbers were false? Where did I say that the numbers were good?

    I have a history of apologizing if I made a mistake, and even did so to him.

    All I said was that his bot might not be accurate(Which is what the writer of that article said too), and that he should use a second source, and I provided him with a second source, and I even encouraged him to compare my source with Malakai bot. I didn't say either one was better or worse, I just gave an additional option.

    He is the one fixated on numbers, and fixated on whether or not Crowfall Succeeds or fails.

    I have been talking about ensuring that as accurate as possible information is given.
    I use Malakaibot, and https://crowfallstatus.com/  and if one messes up, I have another option, and I had acknowledged multiple times that Malakaibot is accurate, but CAN provide inaccurate data as shown by logs from discord provided by ME of the programmer of the bot actively fixing the bot during the start of Dregs.

    Malakai Bot was not able to record the start of the Dregs, but Crowfallstatus could, and it showed right at the launch of the NA East dregs server that 1100 players were participating actively. There were so many people that they needed to open a NA West server a half hour into the event.

    You should ask yourself why you are fine with your friend posting incorrect information, and trying to trivialize it, rather than just apologizing for posting a mistake.

    Rather than it looking like no big deal his entire angle and argument comes into question. He doesn't want to do any work to make sure the information he is posting is accurate, and he definitely isn't a unbiased source.

    Can you quote something I said that implies that I thought the game was an absolute success? Other than mentioning that I had more fun than I thought I would, I don't believe I implied that any numbers were good, and in fact I agreed many times that the numbers weren't great. My entire focus in the thread was impressing the importance of cross referencing sources when discussing statistics.

    Instead he has been gaslighting me implying that I give a care about the population numbers, when all I care about is the accuracy of the information presented.

    Also keep in mind that I am just following what your friend said

    So unless you are a hypocrite like he is, then me posting the factual numbers,  and caring about facts and not feelings does not actually make me a "hater".


    Ok fine, you do seem sincere is your care about these numbers.

    Some people were projecting this game to have over 400k people playing it, just by the backers alone.  So to me, worrying about plus or minus 100 people is so irrelevant its comical.  Its like worrying about a fly landing on your shoulder when you are seconds from being hit by a subway.

    Where is this friend thing coming from?  Just because I am defending his/her right to post data in a thread makes us friends?  I mean sure he/she generally makes logical arguments, sometimes I agree, others I disagree, but at least they are predominately logical so I can follow the reasoning.  I hardly think this makes us friends.  Think you are stretching with this one.
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