Originally posted by AlexAmore JFK is an easy one. Remember his head went "Back and away"...you can see on video tape. It contradicts the official story.
His head went back and away but his brains and blood splattered toward the front of the car. You can start a whole new thread on this, but this is one conspiracy that even I believe can be put to rest.
Originally posted by daeandor Originally posted by AlexAmore JFK is an easy one. Remember his head went "Back and away"...you can see on video tape. It contradicts the official story.
His head went back and away but his brains and blood splattered toward the front of the car. You can start a whole new thread on this, but this is one conspiracy that even I believe can be put to rest. What about all the magical bullet holes compared to the official story? I won't make a thread. I don't know much about the topic. I do remember that the driver was completely retarded because He was driving so slow and that is really reckless and against the secret service rules, you know because people get a better aim. I think there was a MPH minimum limit. Also there were windows on the building ahead of the vehicle on some of the video shots and they were open which is completely against the rules of secret service. As the crowd on the left side of the vehicle started thinning out and then completely gone (watch vid) is about the time when JFK was conveniently shot ...just kind of wierd.
I'm not trying to convince anyone but I'm am just asking questions
______________________________ "When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!" -cheer leading, flag waving American
Originally posted by Thanatosx33 As for my opinion on this matter, read my quote.
Hehe that's pretty clever and true.
______________________________ "When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!" -cheer leading, flag waving American
It is obvious that it is inside work. If you look at all the aspects, who funded George W. Bush's campaign to get into office? Oil companys and the war industry. So, as a special way of saying thanks, Bush plans this whole 9/11 event in order to go to war with "terror." Defense industry gets a TON of money through making weapons and developing new weapons. Oil companys are happy because now all of us (the tax payers) are paying more more in order to pay for all the oil the tanks/airplanes/bases are using, not to mention the fact that they are "helping the iraqi people" by rebuilding all the damage oil rigs which were damaged during the war with iraq and afghanistan. Who is paying for that rebuilding, us, the tax payers.. Bush is happy because himself, Cheney, Condeleza Rice, and many others have tons of money invested in these companys stocks. It all fits together. Not to mention the millions of dollars in gold that was "lost" from under neath the world trade center towers.
Originally posted by dragonseeds It is obvious that it is inside work. If you look at all the aspects, who funded George W. Bush's campaign to get into office? Oil companys and the war industry. So, as a special way of saying thanks, Bush plans this whole 9/11 eventin order to go to war with "terror." Defense industry gets a TON of money through making weapons and developing new weapons. Oil companys are happy because now all of us (the tax payers) are paying more more in order to pay for all the oil the tanks/airplanes/bases are using, not to mention the fact that they are "helping the iraqi people" by rebuilding all the damage oil rigs which were damaged during the war with iraq and afghanistan. Who is paying for that rebuilding, us, the tax payers.. Bush is happy because himself, Cheney, Condeleza Rice, and many others have tons of money invested in these companys stocks. It all fits together. Not to mention the millions of dollars in gold that was "lost" from under neath the world trade center towers.
I haven't seen any evidence that GW Bush is that smart....
Originally posted by daeandor Originally posted by dragonseeds It is obvious that it is inside work. If you look at all the aspects, who funded George W. Bush's campaign to get into office? Oil companys and the war industry. So, as a special way of saying thanks, Bush plans this whole 9/11 eventin order to go to war with "terror." Defense industry gets a TON of money through making weapons and developing new weapons. Oil companys are happy because now all of us (the tax payers) are paying more more in order to pay for all the oil the tanks/airplanes/bases are using, not to mention the fact that they are "helping the iraqi people" by rebuilding all the damage oil rigs which were damaged during the war with iraq and afghanistan. Who is paying for that rebuilding, us, the tax payers.. Bush is happy because himself, Cheney, Condeleza Rice, and many others have tons of money invested in these companys stocks. It all fits together. Not to mention the millions of dollars in gold that was "lost" from under neath the world trade center towers.
I haven't seen any evidence that GW Bush is that smart....
Originally posted by IIRL Originally posted by Atomicide Also, theres no need for a missile AND a plane to hit the building. The missile couldnt have be fired from miles away, because loads of New Yorkers would have seen the damn thing, not easy to miss a giant missile screaming over the sky. So the only option left is that the US military somehow secretly installed a Missile launcher into the underwing of a commercial aircraft and slipped a missile in hoping nobody would notice? If you still beleive in the tinfoil hat theory, heres a bonus question: When attaching the Missile launcher system and missile to the aircraft did George Bush - A) Sneak the missile and Equiptment into the airport, and hope nobody would notice Attach it to a commercial airline at area 51, then sneak the aeroplane into the airport c) None if the above, i just realised im wrong.
Enjoy.
First of all, I don't care if terrorists or the other terrorists executed 9/11, US government isnt afraid of targeting civilians being their own or others and alike to pursue their goals (Hiroshima, Nagasaki and so on) so it would not suprise me.
So, you obviously havent seen the video or how the buildings collapsed have you now?
It's not trying to say that a missile brought down the buildings, explosives inside the building did, like how they bring down buildings usually.
And George Bush is a mere puppet, he runs nothing, he can barely speak - he fumbles with speeches written by his staff and turns them into madlibs.
Judging by your multiple choice answers you fall into the same category for intelligence as the president of the US, Enjoy.
FOR MOTHER RUSSIA!
This is a post on page 2. I really enjoyed this persons intellect, and knowledge of subject of Hiroshima, and Nagasaki. A moron he is, and a moron he will stay.
I don't think you realize this, or fail to read your history text, but the United States issued NUMEROUS warnings to Japan. Those warnings stated that if they failed to stop the war we would drop a bomb of 'ultimate destruction'. They said 'bull-sh!t', and we weren't lieing. So we dropped ONE. Then, we said 'we have another one, surrender'. What did they say?
'BULL-SH!T'. So we dropped it again, then they backed down. by the way, you said 'etc..'. What are hte 'etc'? Can you name some more examples of how the United States is in-humane.
Originally posted by daeandor Non-conspiracy related acts of barbarism: We helped fire-bomb the Germans... We Napalmed Vietnamese villages... We systematically herded the American Indians onto reservations... We deserted the Cubans we trained leaving them to die in the Bay of Pigs... We stopped Haitians in unseaworthy boats from coming into US waters, turning them back to certain death if weather deteriorated... Should I go on? Of course I could also do the same thing for dozens of other nations across the globe, and that is only modern times....
This is a nice short-list of which people often try to get away from. There is plenty more things the USA made themselves guilty of the past 6-7 decades. In my recollection their truly inhumane behaviour started with the bombing of the german city Dresden, which was mostly occupied with civilians fleeing in terror from the russians, who already were tearing down Berlin in order to make the german gouverment, as much as it excisted still, surrender to end the war in Europe. That bombing already was totally not needed.
There are many different things that the USA is guilty of in a less direct way. Sponsoring all kinds of organisations in South America, who now would be deemed terrorists. Putting Sadam Husain in the seet of power in Iraq. Handing the people in Afghanistan all kinds of weapons to fight the Soviet Union, weapons now used against them. Practically handing Israel the technology for nuclear weapons, eventhough they are not supposed to have them. In general, the USA has caused a lot more trouble in the world than they would like to admit.
To say that they themselves were behind 9/11, not likely. To say that it is the ultimate outcome of their behaviour in this world, and as such is a reaction to their own behaviour, than I would say it is pretty likely.
I have to step in about the turning away the Haitians in deteriorated boats.
The government has to at least try and protect our national borders, otherwise, what's the purpose of having citizenship in our country... by the way, my shift key is broken, so all my sentences will end with ... sorry
After all, look at the problems we're having with the illegal Mexican immigrants alone, the government even suggested giving them amnesty at one point for breaking the law... Also, by ignoring the health inspections and such before entering the country, there are numerous possible diseases that could enter the country undetected, and in a Country like Haiti, where AIDS is a predominant problem, I think I can safely say we would rather not have that brought into the country.
Not the sound callous or malicious, but it is not my fault Haiti, Mexico, Cuba, or wherever the hell else the illegal immigrants are coming from is such a terrible place, but I sure as hell don't want people just retreating here because their current situation sucks. Seriously, America was born over the span of 500 years, numerous Revolutions and wars, and we started out with hardly anything as well. If their countries suck so much, they need to stand up for their beliefs, and start working towards reform. While they probably won't live to see it in their days, they can start to shape themselves a future, for their future generations.
Sorry for going off on that tangent...but I don't feel any quarter should be given to law-breakers who aren't even US citizens. Telling them to go home is a courtesy in my opinion. Were it my decision, I'd sink the ship. There are rules and laws there for a reason, no particular immigrant is better than another, and if they're not willing to go through the steps to get here properly, they shouldn't be allowed in here at all.
Waiting for something fresh to arrive on the MMO scene...
Originally posted by Cymdai I have to step in about the turning away the Haitians in deteriorated boats.
Although I don't disagree with some of the reasons you said this, it just so happens that I was in Haiti during the early - middle 90's as a JSOC officer. The fact of the matter is that our Coast Guard and Navy sent people to their undocumented, unrecognizable deaths. Yes, we also saved a ton of Haitians. Yes, something needed to be done about the hundreds coming across daily. However, turning them away was not the best answer, especially when it could mean their deaths by sea, not their government. The situation was not a matter of immigration alone, it was of human compassion. The numbers were small in a global historical context, but our lack of compassion as a nation under Clinton was sometimes sickening.
Although I don't disagree with some of the reasons you said this, it just so happens that I was in Haiti during the early - middle 90's as a JSOC officer. The fact of the matter is that our Coast Guard and Navy sent people to their undocumented, unrecognizable deaths. Yes, we also saved a ton of Haitians. Yes, something needed to be done about the hundreds coming across daily. However, turning them away was not the best answer, especially when it could mean their deaths by sea, not their government. The situation was not a matter of immigration alone, it was of human compassion. The numbers were small in a global historical context, but our lack of compassion as a nation under Clinton was sometimes sickening.
Although I don't disagree with some of the reasons you said this, it just so happens that I was in Haiti during the early - middle 90's as a JSOC officer. The fact of the matter is that our Coast Guard and Navy sent people to their undocumented, unrecognizable deaths. Yes, we also saved a ton of Haitians. Yes, something needed to be done about the hundreds coming across daily. However, turning them away was not the best answer, especially when it could mean their deaths by sea, not their government. The situation was not a matter of immigration alone, it was of human compassion. The numbers were small in a global historical context, but our lack of compassion as a nation under Clinton was sometimes sickening.
I'm not sure who it is, but for the pathetic guy who keeps making alternate accounts for the sole purpose of bashing the conspirators, please stop. It's childish, and all you're doing is flaming.
Waiting for something fresh to arrive on the MMO scene...
Originally posted by Militarized The holocaust not happening has more merit then this I think.
Could you elaborate? I doubt you read the whole thread.
Anyways can anyone give me a reasonable explanation as to why Bush threatened to arrest any investigator looking into suspected terrorists two months before 9/11?
______________________________ "When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!" -cheer leading, flag waving American
Originally posted by AlexAmore Originally posted by Militarized The holocaust not happening has more merit then this I think.
Could you elaborate? I doubt you read the whole thread.
Anyways can anyone give me a reasonable explanation as to why Bush threatened to arrest any investigator looking into suspected terrorists two months before 9/11? I read enough of it and i've watched the movie. I'm kind of in the middle ground for the theory as I don't want to believe it and eviidence appears to be back and forth and the video the Pentagon did not help at all. I guess i'll just keep looking around at all the information and decide for myself at a later date. The Pentagon makes alot more sense then the Twin Towers though.
Since this thread started with a video, i'll post my own for you so I don't have to write too much.
http://files.filefront.com/jdwwmv/;4891315;;/fileinfo.html - Video is done by Doctor Frederick Toben who was jailed for "Denying The Holocaust". Also, if you live in Europe or outside the united states this video may be illegal so download with care.
Here's some smoking gun proof that Bush lied about the war in Iraq. Downing Street Memo!!. Click on the link and read "The Memo" then read "why care?" so you can read Bush's lies/contradictions.
______________________________ "When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!" -cheer leading, flag waving American
theres so many things i have to say about all this, and im not, but i would like all of you just think about this , not only to this thread but in general and everything around you,
1 Vanity...evils favorite deadly sin to elaborate on this it means, if it comes in a pretty package, with pretty words, and it feels soft and innocent...does not mean it doesnt have the ability to chew yer head off and gargle with yer braIns and use yer skull as a cereal bowl. Sometimes these innocent , pretty looking things are in the shadows just wainting for yer petting hand to get used to it so you would never expect it to kill you in yer sleep. (it in this paragraph can be used to whatever you want and is meant to ber used for general purposes)
2 just because something is considered a morel and a value, does not neccesarily make it morraly right or even valuable.
kk just a few general thoughts i wanted to put out here, thunk about them and use em as you will, or disregard them alltogether, the choice is yers.....for now anyway hehehe..
______________________________ "When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!" -cheer leading, flag waving American
Originally posted by AlexAmore Here's some smoking gun proof that Bush lied about the war in Iraq. Downing Street Memo!!. Click on the link and read "The Memo" then read "why care?" so you can read Bush's lies/contradictions.
By the way AlexAmore, you do realize that the Downing Street Memo is a classic case of "he said, she said," right? Very far from "smoking gun."
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His head went back and away but his brains and blood splattered toward the front of the car. You can start a whole new thread on this, but this is one conspiracy that even I believe can be put to rest.
His head went back and away but his brains and blood splattered toward the front of the car. You can start a whole new thread on this, but this is one conspiracy that even I believe can be put to rest.
What about all the magical bullet holes compared to the official story? I won't make a thread. I don't know much about the topic. I do remember that the driver was completely retarded because He was driving so slow and that is really reckless and against the secret service rules, you know because people get a better aim. I think there was a MPH minimum limit. Also there were windows on the building ahead of the vehicle on some of the video shots and they were open which is completely against the rules of secret service. As the crowd on the left side of the vehicle started thinning out and then completely gone (watch vid) is about the time when JFK was conveniently shot ...just kind of wierd.
I'm not trying to convince anyone but I'm am just asking questions
______________________________
"When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!"
-cheer leading, flag waving American
As for my opinion on this matter, read my quote.
______________________________
"When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!"
-cheer leading, flag waving American
It is obvious that it is inside work. If you look at all the aspects, who funded George W. Bush's campaign to get into office? Oil companys and the war industry. So, as a special way of saying thanks, Bush plans this whole 9/11 event in order to go to war with "terror." Defense industry gets a TON of money through making weapons and developing new weapons. Oil companys are happy because now all of us (the tax payers) are paying more more in order to pay for all the oil the tanks/airplanes/bases are using, not to mention the fact that they are "helping the iraqi people" by rebuilding all the damage oil rigs which were damaged during the war with iraq and afghanistan. Who is paying for that rebuilding, us, the tax payers.. Bush is happy because himself, Cheney, Condeleza Rice, and many others have tons of money invested in these companys stocks. It all fits together. Not to mention the millions of dollars in gold that was "lost" from under neath the world trade center towers.
-snickers to himself-
So, you obviously havent seen the video or how the buildings collapsed have you now?
It's not trying to say that a missile brought down the buildings, explosives inside the building did, like how they bring down buildings usually.
And George Bush is a mere puppet, he runs nothing, he can barely speak - he fumbles with speeches written by his staff and turns them into madlibs.
Judging by your multiple choice answers you fall into the same category for intelligence as the president of the US, Enjoy.
FOR MOTHER RUSSIA!
This is a post on page 2. I really enjoyed this persons intellect, and knowledge of subject of Hiroshima, and Nagasaki. A moron he is, and a moron he will stay.
I don't think you realize this, or fail to read your history text, but the United States issued NUMEROUS warnings to Japan. Those warnings stated that if they failed to stop the war we would drop a bomb of 'ultimate destruction'. They said 'bull-sh!t', and we weren't lieing. So we dropped ONE. Then, we said 'we have another one, surrender'. What did they say?
'BULL-SH!T'. So we dropped it again, then they backed down. by the way, you said 'etc..'. What are hte 'etc'? Can you name some more examples of how the United States is in-humane.
Non-conspiracy related acts of barbarism:
We helped fire-bomb the Germans...
We Napalmed Vietnamese villages...
We systematically herded the American Indians onto reservations...
We deserted the Cubans we trained leaving them to die in the Bay of Pigs...
We stopped Haitians in unseaworthy boats from coming into US waters, turning them back to certain death if weather deteriorated...
Should I go on? Of course I could also do the same thing for dozens of other nations across the globe, and that is only modern times....
Former UO player searching for something even remotely close to what UO was...
There are many different things that the USA is guilty of in a less direct way. Sponsoring all kinds of organisations in South America, who now would be deemed terrorists. Putting Sadam Husain in the seet of power in Iraq. Handing the people in Afghanistan all kinds of weapons to fight the Soviet Union, weapons now used against them. Practically handing Israel the technology for nuclear weapons, eventhough they are not supposed to have them. In general, the USA has caused a lot more trouble in the world than they would like to admit.
To say that they themselves were behind 9/11, not likely. To say that it is the ultimate outcome of their behaviour in this world, and as such is a reaction to their own behaviour, than I would say it is pretty likely.
The government has to at least try and protect our national borders, otherwise, what's the purpose of having citizenship in our country... by the way, my shift key is broken, so all my sentences will end with ... sorry
After all, look at the problems we're having with the illegal Mexican immigrants alone, the government even suggested giving them amnesty at one point for breaking the law... Also, by ignoring the health inspections and such before entering the country, there are numerous possible diseases that could enter the country undetected, and in a Country like Haiti, where AIDS is a predominant problem, I think I can safely say we would rather not have that brought into the country.
Not the sound callous or malicious, but it is not my fault Haiti, Mexico, Cuba, or wherever the hell else the illegal immigrants are coming from is such a terrible place, but I sure as hell don't want people just retreating here because their current situation sucks. Seriously, America was born over the span of 500 years, numerous Revolutions and wars, and we started out with hardly anything as well. If their countries suck so much, they need to stand up for their beliefs, and start working towards reform. While they probably won't live to see it in their days, they can start to shape themselves a future, for their future generations.
Sorry for going off on that tangent...but I don't feel any quarter should be given to law-breakers who aren't even US citizens. Telling them to go home is a courtesy in my opinion. Were it my decision, I'd sink the ship. There are rules and laws there for a reason, no particular immigrant is better than another, and if they're not willing to go through the steps to get here properly, they shouldn't be allowed in here at all.
Waiting for something fresh to arrive on the MMO scene...
Although I don't disagree with some of the reasons you said this, it just so happens that I was in Haiti during the early - middle 90's as a JSOC officer. The fact of the matter is that our Coast Guard and Navy sent people to their undocumented, unrecognizable deaths. Yes, we also saved a ton of Haitians. Yes, something needed to be done about the hundreds coming across daily. However, turning them away was not the best answer, especially when it could mean their deaths by sea, not their government. The situation was not a matter of immigration alone, it was of human compassion. The numbers were small in a global historical context, but our lack of compassion as a nation under Clinton was sometimes sickening.
hmm that is strange how that posted... I cannot seem to edit out the double post in the same post...
Waiting for something fresh to arrive on the MMO scene...
Anyways can anyone give me a reasonable explanation as to why Bush threatened to arrest any investigator looking into suspected terrorists two months before 9/11?
______________________________
"When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!"
-cheer leading, flag waving American
Anyways can anyone give me a reasonable explanation as to why Bush threatened to arrest any investigator looking into suspected terrorists two months before 9/11?
I read enough of it and i've watched the movie. I'm kind of in the middle ground for the theory as I don't want to believe it and eviidence appears to be back and forth and the video the Pentagon did not help at all. I guess i'll just keep looking around at all the information and decide for myself at a later date. The Pentagon makes alot more sense then the Twin Towers though.
Since this thread started with a video, i'll post my own for you so I don't have to write too much.
http://files.filefront.com/jdwwmv/;4891315;;/fileinfo.html - Video is done by Doctor Frederick Toben who was jailed for "Denying The Holocaust". Also, if you live in Europe or outside the united states this video may be illegal so download with care.
______________________________
"When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!"
-cheer leading, flag waving American
theres so many things i have to say about all this, and im not, but i would like all of you just think about this , not only to this thread but in general and everything around you,
1 Vanity...evils favorite deadly sin to elaborate on this it means, if it comes in a pretty package, with pretty words, and it feels soft and innocent...does not mean it doesnt have the ability to chew yer head off and gargle with yer braIns and use yer skull as a cereal bowl. Sometimes these innocent , pretty looking things are in the shadows just wainting for yer petting hand to get used to it so you would never expect it to kill you in yer sleep. (it in this paragraph can be used to whatever you want and is meant to ber used for general purposes)
2 just because something is considered a morel and a value, does not neccesarily make it morraly right or even valuable.
kk just a few general thoughts i wanted to put out here, thunk about them and use em as you will, or disregard them alltogether, the choice is yers.....for now anyway hehehe..
playing eq2 and two worlds
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"When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!"
-cheer leading, flag waving American
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