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Scot · August 2021

tzervo said:

Wargfoot said:

For get all the social/political stuff.
We need a derogatory word for people who will cheer yet another theme park MMORPG.

I think it is okay for us to hate those guys, right?

Will be hard to decide who to use that term on, seeing as people cannot agree what is themepark, sandbox and sandpark.

I say we find a derogatory word for those arguing over those definitions instead.

Please do not use the word sandpark in my thread, I will come out in a rash.

Scot · August 2021

Slapshot1188 said:

Kyleran said:

You really can't help yourself, you have this need to paint those whose opinions you disagree with as haters and should reflect on why this is so.

It's everywhere. We have been bombarded by this stuff for decades. With higher and higher intensity levels. We are now trained to put people into camps or tribes. And it's Us against Them. I mean, we even turned a vaccine into an Us vs Them situation... I dunno how this ever changes at this point. Until we have a real THEM to worry about. Western society has been coddled for decades with no real existential threats, so we find more and more ways to divide ourselves.

This is depressing. Can we get back to bashing/white knighting games?

I think largely the media is to blame for this, every government policy decision is slated or celebrated, every action my a corporation is questioned or adored, every action by a person is condemned or applauded. There is no middle ground.

Slapshot1188 · August 2021

Scot said:

Slapshot1188 said:

Kyleran said:

You really can't help yourself, you have this need to paint those whose opinions you disagree with as haters and should reflect on why this is so.

It's everywhere. We have been bombarded by this stuff for decades. With higher and higher intensity levels. We are now trained to put people into camps or tribes. And it's Us against Them. I mean, we even turned a vaccine into an Us vs Them situation... I dunno how this ever changes at this point. Until we have a real THEM to worry about. Western society has been coddled for decades with no real existential threats, so we find more and more ways to divide ourselves.

This is depressing. Can we get back to bashing/white knighting games?

I think largely the media is to blame for this, every government policy decision is slated or celebrated, every action my a corporation is questioned or adored, every action by a person is condemned or applauded. There is no middle ground.

On the plus side, no matter what we think about the locking of news articles on here, MMORPG.COM remains far and away better than Massively. I had to make my first post over there in a very, very long time as I watched a discussion about the ABK situation devolve into a 100% one sided conversation about how they are "war-criminals" that "support torture".

Left or Right... it's so dangerous to live in a bubble. That's why I will watch Fox, CNN, MSNBC, Local News... Believe it or not, I find some of the best coverage on what is happening in the USA comes from some of the online British news sites. They actually go through and list/show facts which I never see on ANY of the US sites. Sure some of the UK sites are just as over the top, but I have been impressed with a few.

cameltosis · August 2021

Scot said:

Slapshot1188 said:

Kyleran said:

I think largely the media is to blame for this, every government policy decision is slated or celebrated, every action my a corporation is questioned or adored, every action by a person is condemned or applauded. There is no middle ground.

Tribalism is an evolutionary survival tactic.

We can blame governments, social media or whatever else we want, but the truth is that separating ourselves into tribes and striving for dominance of our tribe over other tribes is baked into what it means to be human.

A few thousand years of civilisation can't undo a few million years of evolution.

Not that im condoning tribalism of course, merely pointing out that it has been incredibly important for the survival of the species, and trying to be open-minded and accepting of everyone means fighting against your own nature. Unless you are enlightened enough to view all of humanity as "your tribe", but most of us aren't capable of that, we'll probably need an external threat (like alien invasion...) to unite us.

AlBQuirky · August 2021

cameltosis said:

A few thousand years of civilisation can't undo a few million years of evolution.

Many aspects of being human are "baked in", as it were and no amount "denying" will ever do any good. It's best for all if we humans start accepting these flaws and learn work around them, not dream that they never existed.

I mean, 10,000 years of evolution has seen us through to this point in time

KnightFalz · August 2021

Wargfoot said:

For get all the social/political stuff.
We need a derogatory word for people who will cheer yet another theme park MMORPG.

I think it is okay for us to hate those guys, right?

It is a wonder that one hasn't been established yet.

KnightFalz · August 2021

Asm0deus said:

We need to stop using such derogatory terms really though, these labels are the problem themselves.

We need to start seeing each person as they are, both good AND bad, instead of as the label we would like to stick them in.

There are sjw's or woke people who are honest and truly wish society to evolve and become more open and accepting but there are many that hide behind those labels while spewing their misandrist hate and hypocrisy.

For example lets take body shaming...

....there's nothing wrong with a woman that's chubby or fat even and its great people want to fight against this and give young girls more realistic ideals than some 100 pound 6 foot model.

HOWEVER in your fight against this if you start body shaming women who are naturally thin and fit conventional beauty norms, if you start trying to body shame women that feel sexy and like to show it or try to shame women that like to work out cause it makes them feel good then you are just as bad as the other side cause they shouldn't be shamed anymore than the fat girls should be.

You cant fight hate with hate...that just breeds more hate and that's what these terms/labels are doing and sadly more and more hate is infiltrating the sjw and woke camps so to speak.

I would rather we see people as neither good or bad but simply as who they are, so long as their actions and intent aren't exceptionally baneful.

The filter of each and all through with good and bad are separated is compromised by bias, both societal and personal. It doesn't filter true, but according to our personal truths which are by no means definitive or necessarily accurate.

You clearly can fight hate with hate. Such is ubiquitous.

You can't overcome hate with hate, or really any negative with itself, such as violence with violence, discrimination with discrimination, etc.

KnightFalz · August 2021

AlBQuirky said:

cameltosis said:

A few thousand years of civilisation can't undo a few million years of evolution.

Many aspects of being human are "baked in", as it were and no amount "denying" will ever do any good. It's best for all if we humans start accepting these flaws and learn work around them, not dream that they never existed.

I mean, 10,000 years of evolution has seen us through to this point in time

Acceptance is not a strength of humanity. All other living things accept what is. Our defining characteristic is the rejection and replacement of it.

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Slapshot1188 · August 2021

KnightFalz said:

You can't overcome hate with hate, or really any negative with itself, such as violence with violence, discrimination with discrimination, etc.

Yup, and this is why I fear for the future so much. Without an external threat we will just keep dividing ourselves into smaller and smaller groups which are taught to resent the other groups. My country (America) used to have a goal of being a Melting Pot, but now we are becoming the opposite of that. A loose collection of separate groups that do not want to merge but want to stay separate and distinct.

Yoda had it right. Fear leads to Anger. Anger leads to Hate. Hate leads to Suffering.

That's the path to the Darkside.

Hawkaya399 · August 2021

KnightFalz said:

AlBQuirky said:

cameltosis said:

A few thousand years of civilisation can't undo a few million years of evolution.

Many aspects of being human are "baked in", as it were and no amount "denying" will ever do any good. It's best for all if we humans start accepting these flaws and learn work around them, not dream that they never existed.

I mean, 10,000 years of evolution has seen us through to this point in time

Acceptance is not a strength of humanity. All other living things accept what is. Our defining characteristic is the rejection and replacement of it.

Ecclesiastes 12:13-14 KJV

"Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil."

"for this is the whole duty of man" translates to mean "this is what it means to be human."

Scot · August 2021

Politics and now religion in a thread where as far as I am concerned you have held up the communities end and not gone too way out there. I am sure others may think we sailed too close to the wind but I think it shows we can post without going of the deep end. Ok maybe that's being a tad overoptimistic, guilty as charged.

lahnmir · August 2021

Wargfoot said:

I keep trying to think up a phrase for a theme park fan that uses the letters SJW.
I feel like this might get me into trouble.

Surely an SJW is just a Simpleton Joining Worlds?

/Cheers,
Lahnmir

kitarad · August 2021

Sadistic Jiggling Weights. They move every time you try to lift them

Kyleran · August 2021

kitarad said:

Sadistic Jiggling Weights. They move every time you try to lift them

Silly Jerks Whining?

Changing the term's meaning reminds me of a South Park episode about the "F" word and how it applies to Harley Riders. (No, its not about that "F" word, rather the other one only Brits can use in safe context)

Fun read, but not safe to discuss on this site.

https://southpark.fandom.com/wiki/Harley_riders

AlBQuirky · August 2021

kitarad said:

Sadistic Jiggling Weights. They move every time you try to lift them

Shakeweights!

Scot · August 2021

Guys come one, we were doing so well up to now.

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lahnmir · August 2021

Scot said:

Guys come one, we were doing so well up to now.

Scot Joins When?

/Cheers,
Lahnmir

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AlBQuirky · August 2021

Sharne said:

lahnmir said:

Wargfoot said:

I keep trying to think up a phrase for a theme park fan that uses the letters SJW.
I feel like this might get me into trouble.

Surely an SJW is just a Simpleton Joining Worlds?

/Cheers,
Lahnmir

Simpleton Joining Words seems to be more apt when I'm posting

Count me in

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Scot · August 2021

Torval said:

Scot said:

Guys come one, we were doing so well up to now.

Pretty much why I rarely post here anymore. The "but but we never inject our politics" crowd always finds a way to insert their dark sider snark. Why post here when I have no reason to engage with those people? What's the point? I'm not interested in forum combat or providing the opportunity for them to pontificate. So am I just going to post for the very few people here I'm in agreement with? Every once in a while I see a game thread that prompts me to login and leave a comment and that's about it.

I always value your input even though we don't see eye to eye on many areas of life and I do agree with you the thread just now ran away with itself, maybe I should not have tempted fate! That said your first post was one of those I was thinking of when I said it seems some posters want to declare war, but we had that from all sides here.

We don't have to poke at posters to get a reaction guys, give the SJW thing a rest, that to me is just like the other side calling posters haters at the drop of a hat, it solves nothing, just where is it supposed to get us?

Slapshot1188 · August 2021

The more we can focus on gaming, which theoretically is the love we all share, the better!

lahnmir · August 2021

Scot said:

Torval said:

Scot said:

Guys come one, we were doing so well up to now.

Pretty much why I rarely post here anymore. The "but but we never inject our politics" crowd always finds a way to insert their dark sider snark. Why post here when I have no reason to engage with those people? What's the point? I'm not interested in forum combat or providing the opportunity for them to pontificate. So am I just going to post for the very few people here I'm in agreement with? Every once in a while I see a game thread that prompts me to login and leave a comment and that's about it.

I always value your input even though we don't see eye to eye on many areas of life and I do agree with you the thread just now ran away with itself, maybe I should not have tempted fate! That said your first post was one of those I was thinking of when I said it seems some posters want to declare war, but we had that from all sides here.

We don't have to poke at posters to get a reaction guys, give the SJW thing a rest, that to me is just like the other side calling posters haters at the drop of a hat, it solves nothing, just where is it supposed to get us?

I think ‘making fun of/poking at’ serves many useful purposes. I know I rarely do it without reason. To lighten the mood, to break open a stalemate, to show the ridiculousness of a situation, it is a way to tackle things without getting too direct.

That being said, I think the lines between ‘overly sensitive’ and ‘considerate’ and ‘rude’ are becoming more and more blurred, and not just here.

/Cheers,
Lahnmir

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