So... Who's watching the first 2 episodes of The Rings of Power tonight?

Uwakionna · September 2022

I'm usually inclined to stay hands-off stance on these kind of subjects.

Would be why I would say even with my griped I'm not "annoyed", just bothered a bit.

My gripes mostly just comes from how people seem to progressively take more all or nothing positions, and any sort of dissent or disagreement as sweeping condemnation of all things relating one way or another.

Of course, people can like the original lore, and at the same time enjoy this. The contradictions, inconsistencies, etc don't have to bother everyone.

Of course people that don't know or care for the original lore can equally dislike it for a variety of reasons.

The excuses that people make up in the justification of opinion is mostly where I take issue honestly.

Like, you can make new lore that compliments and fits with the existing lore. You don't have to retcon things in order to get new content. That's not a strong justification to do so.

Kind of the reason why my posts focus on the problem of changing the existing lore in core ways as my complaint, not whether the series is fun or anything else.

Can people not simply be content that they have differing taste in media, and not try to create hackneyed justification if they feel a position taken is slighted?

Or would that kill too many people's reasons for making posts in the first place?

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Slapshot1188 · September 2022

Uwakionna said:

blueturtle13 said:

Uwakionna said:

blueturtle13 said:
I think you are maybe talking about Peter Jackson's movies and not this show?

Not really.

You can throw shade at the LOTR trilogy for changing details, but they didn't change core storyline, and many of the quibbles raised are more about what's omitted or the way some of the more vague details are interpreted.

Now, you could levy such criticism more directly at the Hobbit trilogy. And that sort of criticism has been heavily levied at it.

So if you're trying to throw a blanket over the entire thing as "Peter Jackson's movies", sure, but that's hiding some important qualifiers there, and hiding where and what criticisms are levied towards such issues.

What does that have to do with this show?

It was a response to your question about Peter Jackson's stuff.

Correlation can be made between the Hobbit trilogy and the Rings of Power. Peter Jackson took many liberties interpreting and changing the Hobbit to fit in extra lore, and it messed with events, timeline, and characters in much the same way as I would level criticism at Rings of Power.

Rightly, the Hobbit series did bother me. The LOTR trilogy didn't so much, because it's lore issues were not about fundamental changes to characters, setting, timeline, etc.

Yup. It's not like fans gave Jackson a pass at all. He took heat for each and every change he made. I honestly have not watched the second and third Hobbit movies. I saw bits and pieces of them over the years but to me it was just fan-fiction the same way that this show is.

And that wasn't because of the color of any of the characters. It's because the very word fan is rooted in fanatic. It's because The Hobbit movies strayed much further from the source... Toss in Legolas but remove Tom Bombadil? Like.... WTF... seriously? And none of that has anything to do with race...

Uwakionna · September 2022

blueturtle13 said:

Uwakionna said:

blueturtle13 said:

Uwakionna said:

blueturtle13 said:
I think you are maybe talking about Peter Jackson's movies and not this show?

Not really.

You can throw shade at the LOTR trilogy for changing details, but they didn't change core storyline, and many of the quibbles raised are more about what's omitted or the way some of the more vague details are interpreted.

Now, you could levy such criticism more directly at the Hobbit trilogy. And that sort of criticism has been heavily levied at it.

So if you're trying to throw a blanket over the entire thing as "Peter Jackson's movies", sure, but that's hiding some important qualifiers there, and hiding where and what criticisms are levied towards such issues.

What does that have to do with this show?

It was a response to your question about Peter Jackson's stuff.

Correlation can be made between the Hobbit trilogy and the Rings of Power. Peter Jackson took many liberties interpreting and changing the Hobbit to fit in extra lore, and it messed with events, timeline, and characters in much the same way as I would level criticism at Rings of Power.

Rightly, the Hobbit series did bother me. The LOTR trilogy didn't so much, because it's lore issues were not about fundamental changes to characters, setting, timeline, etc.

I don't think it fair to criticize Rings of Power the same way as The Hobbit series.
The Hobbit movies were based on a set book.
This is based on many different different things he wrote and expands into areas he didn't.
Tolkien said so himself he wanted other minds to create within the world.
Character being different or having different motivations thousands of years prior to us meeting them is not a surprising element. It would be surprsing if they didnt change.
Again, this is much ado about nothing.
Silly squabbling over a show of make believe loosely based on frameworks of make believe.

That's not entirely honest in it's assessment.

The hobbit movies were not just based on the Hobbit. That's the core of it, but they also brought in external narrative, and that's where much of the problems come in.

It's actually a very similar case for Rings of Power, as they have a fixed window they are operating in within the Second Age, and while there are narrative holes for them to fill, they have done so by pulling from external narrative as well. Drawing on events that are supposed to have taken place in the first age and rushing to tee up events that shouldn't be taking place until the third.

It also doesn't excuse changing core narrative in other ways, like the previously mentioned point about the Durin lineage now being hereditary, and the implications it has for dwarves more broadly.

I'd repeat the point that there's a difference between having more minds "creating", versus "changing" or "replacing".

If they were just expanding the parts that Tolkien never fleshed out, I'd have zero complaints.

But they are changing things that have already been established, and doing it in a way that affects more than just this part of the timeline and the holes in the lore, rather setting up more holes in it. That does bother me.

I don't need it to bother anyone else, but I still remains a point of personal concern. I only respond to where people claim it's not something happening, or bend over backwards trying to justify with whataboutism, or try to shoe-horn something without regard to the greater scope, as that's not really a subject of opinion.

It is happening, whether or not that affect's one's opinion of the series is their own impetus.

Setzer · September 2022

templarga said:

Many in this thread are the perfect example of why fandoms kill great content and then are the first complain when there is not any new content.

I have studied Tolkien in depth, I have taken college classes on Tolkien and I have read his source material and multiple biographies.

I find the show beautiful, fascinating and enjoyable.

Fandoms are their own worst enemy.

Yes, this is it exactly, because as "fans" we're supposed to love EVERYTHING they give us and not criticize ANY of it. /s

Glad you're liking the show! I find it to be rather boring. Boring dialogue, boring characters....fell asleep 20 minutes into the first episode. Visually it looks great...and it should for a billion dollars but they should have invested more of that money into getting better script writers and coming up with a better story that doesn't put you to sleep.

The_Korrigan · September 2022

Setzer said:

templarga said:

Many in this thread are the perfect example of why fandoms kill great content and then are the first complain when there is not any new content.

I have studied Tolkien in depth, I have taken college classes on Tolkien and I have read his source material and multiple biographies.

I find the show beautiful, fascinating and enjoyable.

Fandoms are their own worst enemy.

Yes, this is it exactly, because as "fans" we're supposed to love EVERYTHING they give us and not criticize ANY of it. /s

Glad you're liking the show! I find it to be rather boring. Boring dialogue, boring characters....fell asleep 20 minutes into the first episode. Visually it looks great...and it should for a billion dollars but they should have invested more of that money into getting better script writers and coming up with a better story that doesn't put you to sleep.

2 episodes, that's merely introduction.

But then, I'm an older guy, I have an attention span a bit longer than 20 minutes... I can give a new show a several episodes chance, specially when it's as well made as this one.

For one, I'm really curious to see what "The Stranger" will reveal to be. Not anything good, I'm afraid, but who knows ?

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Uwakionna · September 2022

blueturtle13 said:

Uwakionna said:

blueturtle13 said:

Uwakionna said:

blueturtle13 said:

Uwakionna said:

blueturtle13 said:
I think you are maybe talking about Peter Jackson's movies and not this show?

Not really.

You can throw shade at the LOTR trilogy for changing details, but they didn't change core storyline, and many of the quibbles raised are more about what's omitted or the way some of the more vague details are interpreted.

Now, you could levy such criticism more directly at the Hobbit trilogy. And that sort of criticism has been heavily levied at it.

So if you're trying to throw a blanket over the entire thing as "Peter Jackson's movies", sure, but that's hiding some important qualifiers there, and hiding where and what criticisms are levied towards such issues.

What does that have to do with this show?

It was a response to your question about Peter Jackson's stuff.

Correlation can be made between the Hobbit trilogy and the Rings of Power. Peter Jackson took many liberties interpreting and changing the Hobbit to fit in extra lore, and it messed with events, timeline, and characters in much the same way as I would level criticism at Rings of Power.

Rightly, the Hobbit series did bother me. The LOTR trilogy didn't so much, because it's lore issues were not about fundamental changes to characters, setting, timeline, etc.

I don't think it fair to criticize Rings of Power the same way as The Hobbit series.
The Hobbit movies were based on a set book.
This is based on many different different things he wrote and expands into areas he didn't.
Tolkien said so himself he wanted other minds to create within the world.
Character being different or having different motivations thousands of years prior to us meeting them is not a surprising element. It would be surprsing if they didnt change.
Again, this is much ado about nothing.
Silly squabbling over a show of make believe loosely based on frameworks of make believe.

That's not entirely honest in it's assessment.

The hobbit movies were not just based on the Hobbit. That's the core of it, but they also brought in external narrative, and that's where much of the problems come in.

It's actually a very similar case for Rings of Power, as they have a fixed window they are operating in within the Second Age, and while there are narrative holes for them to fill, they have done so by pulling from external narrative as well. Drawing on events that are supposed to have taken place in the first age and rushing to tee up events that shouldn't be taking place until the third.

It also doesn't excuse changing core narrative in other ways, like the previously mentioned point about the Durin lineage now being hereditary, and the implications it has for dwarves more broadly.

I'd repeat the point that there's a difference between having more minds "creating", versus "changing" or "replacing".

If they were just expanding the parts that Tolkien never fleshed out, I'd have zero complaints.

But they are changing things that have already been established, and doing it in a way that affects more than just this part of the timeline and the holes in the lore, rather setting up more holes. That does bother me.

I don't need it to bother anyone else, but I still remains a point of personal concern. I only respond to where people to claim it's not something happening, as that's not really a subject of opinion.

It is happening, whether or not that affect's one's opinion of the series is their own impetus.

Why not let it play out? You are creating an entire point based off of two (2) episodes of a multi year show and storyline.
This all seems a bit silly.
No one stole this, it was sold by Tolkien's people like he sold his license part of it in his day.

Plus the interviews, anecdotes, and snippets producers have already shared.

And again, not saying it's a bad show or will be a bad series. But what they've already done already runs counter to what it's supposed to be built within and expanding on.

Whether or not you find issue with that, as already stated, is up to you. For me, it's a bother.

Whether or not people "stole" it is irrelevant to the rest of the topic stated.

Tolkien died back in 73, he was not of present to dictate what even the LOTR animations were to be like in interpretation of his created media. Even less to then when discussing Peter Jackson or Rings of Power.

It remains the point that there is a difference between creating, and changing.

The_Korrigan · September 2022

Stizzled said:

The_Korrigan said:

Setzer said:

templarga said:

Many in this thread are the perfect example of why fandoms kill great content and then are the first complain when there is not any new content.

I have studied Tolkien in depth, I have taken college classes on Tolkien and I have read his source material and multiple biographies.

I find the show beautiful, fascinating and enjoyable.

Fandoms are their own worst enemy.

Yes, this is it exactly, because as "fans" we're supposed to love EVERYTHING they give us and not criticize ANY of it. /s

Glad you're liking the show! I find it to be rather boring. Boring dialogue, boring characters....fell asleep 20 minutes into the first episode. Visually it looks great...and it should for a billion dollars but they should have invested more of that money into getting better script writers and coming up with a better story that doesn't put you to sleep.

2 episodes, that's merely introduction.

But then, I'm an older guy, I have an attention span a bit longer than 20 minutes... I can give a new show a several episodes chance, specially when it's as well made as this one.

For one, I'm really curious to see what "The Stranger" will reveal to be. Not anything good, I'm afraid, but who knows ?

My theories are Sauron (obv), Morgoth sent back by Iluvatar (not likely), Tom Bombadil or some other Maiar they've made up (at least I hope it's one they made up and isn't fucking Gandalf or Saruman).

Only one or two of those might make sense, but with the lore getting this wibbly wobbly pretty much anything is possible.

I need to rewatch the meteor falling scene to see who all they show seeing it in the sky. I have a theory in my head that might explain meteor man being Sauron, but after the fall of Numenor. They might be Witchering us and showing stories for different time periods, with the Harfoots and meteor man being further in the future than the rest of the show.

But, that theory might fall flat on its face based on who witnessed the meteor.

I'm also thinking of Sauron... or at least some evil.
Remember also, all the dead fireflies, that can't be Gandalf...

Setzer · September 2022

The_Korrigan said:

Setzer said:

templarga said:

Many in this thread are the perfect example of why fandoms kill great content and then are the first complain when there is not any new content.

I have studied Tolkien in depth, I have taken college classes on Tolkien and I have read his source material and multiple biographies.

I find the show beautiful, fascinating and enjoyable.

Fandoms are their own worst enemy.

Yes, this is it exactly, because as "fans" we're supposed to love EVERYTHING they give us and not criticize ANY of it. /s

Glad you're liking the show! I find it to be rather boring. Boring dialogue, boring characters....fell asleep 20 minutes into the first episode. Visually it looks great...and it should for a billion dollars but they should have invested more of that money into getting better script writers and coming up with a better story that doesn't put you to sleep.

2 episodes, that's merely introduction.

But then, I'm an older guy, I have an attention span a bit longer than 20 minutes... I can give a new show a several episodes chance, specially when it's as well made as this one.

For one, I'm really curious to see what "The Stranger" will reveal to be. Not anything good, I'm afraid, but who knows ?

I'm an older guy too(49) but if a show isn't doing anything to hold my attention then I lose interest and doze off. I'll keep watching to see where it goes and if it gets any better but I've not liked what I've seen so far. About the only stuff I liked were the scenes with Elrond and the Dwarves.

The_Korrigan · September 2022

Setzer said:

The_Korrigan said:

Setzer said:

templarga said:

Many in this thread are the perfect example of why fandoms kill great content and then are the first complain when there is not any new content.

I have studied Tolkien in depth, I have taken college classes on Tolkien and I have read his source material and multiple biographies.

I find the show beautiful, fascinating and enjoyable.

Fandoms are their own worst enemy.

Yes, this is it exactly, because as "fans" we're supposed to love EVERYTHING they give us and not criticize ANY of it. /s

Glad you're liking the show! I find it to be rather boring. Boring dialogue, boring characters....fell asleep 20 minutes into the first episode. Visually it looks great...and it should for a billion dollars but they should have invested more of that money into getting better script writers and coming up with a better story that doesn't put you to sleep.

2 episodes, that's merely introduction.

But then, I'm an older guy, I have an attention span a bit longer than 20 minutes... I can give a new show a several episodes chance, specially when it's as well made as this one.

For one, I'm really curious to see what "The Stranger" will reveal to be. Not anything good, I'm afraid, but who knows ?

I'm an older guy too(49) but if a show isn't doing anything to hold my attention then I lose interest and doze off. I'll keep watching to see where it goes and if it gets any better but I've not liked what I've seen so far. About the only stuff I liked were the scenes with Elrond and the Dwarves.

Have a look at House of the Dragon, that may more to your tastes.

Setzer · September 2022

The_Korrigan said:

Setzer said:

The_Korrigan said:

Setzer said:

templarga said:

Many in this thread are the perfect example of why fandoms kill great content and then are the first complain when there is not any new content.

I have studied Tolkien in depth, I have taken college classes on Tolkien and I have read his source material and multiple biographies.

I find the show beautiful, fascinating and enjoyable.

Fandoms are their own worst enemy.

Yes, this is it exactly, because as "fans" we're supposed to love EVERYTHING they give us and not criticize ANY of it. /s

Glad you're liking the show! I find it to be rather boring. Boring dialogue, boring characters....fell asleep 20 minutes into the first episode. Visually it looks great...and it should for a billion dollars but they should have invested more of that money into getting better script writers and coming up with a better story that doesn't put you to sleep.

2 episodes, that's merely introduction.

But then, I'm an older guy, I have an attention span a bit longer than 20 minutes... I can give a new show a several episodes chance, specially when it's as well made as this one.

For one, I'm really curious to see what "The Stranger" will reveal to be. Not anything good, I'm afraid, but who knows ?

I'm an older guy too(49) but if a show isn't doing anything to hold my attention then I lose interest and doze off. I'll keep watching to see where it goes and if it gets any better but I've not liked what I've seen so far. About the only stuff I liked were the scenes with Elrond and the Dwarves.

Have a look at House of the Dragon, that may more to your tastes.

Already watching it and enjoying it so far.

I love Lord of the Rings, though, and was very hyped for this series but disappointed in what I've seen so far. I have my doubts it will get better but I'll stick with it.

klash2def · September 2022

The_Korrigan said:
So I still wonder what some specific poster here would say if they created a series about Nelson Mandela, someone who I deeply admire, and the title character was played by some white actor.

I love when people try to make this Correlation

"What if we made MLK a white man in a movie!"

You do realize Nelson Mandela is a real-life person? So a film about him and him not being African is a much different thing than making an Elf person a black person.

Elves aren't real. Nelson Mandela is.

Im not saying I think you have an issue with black characters Im saying there's zero correlation.

Slapshot1188 · September 2022

The_Korrigan said:

Setzer said:

The_Korrigan said:

Setzer said:

templarga said:

Many in this thread are the perfect example of why fandoms kill great content and then are the first complain when there is not any new content.

I have studied Tolkien in depth, I have taken college classes on Tolkien and I have read his source material and multiple biographies.

I find the show beautiful, fascinating and enjoyable.

Fandoms are their own worst enemy.

Yes, this is it exactly, because as "fans" we're supposed to love EVERYTHING they give us and not criticize ANY of it. /s

Glad you're liking the show! I find it to be rather boring. Boring dialogue, boring characters....fell asleep 20 minutes into the first episode. Visually it looks great...and it should for a billion dollars but they should have invested more of that money into getting better script writers and coming up with a better story that doesn't put you to sleep.

2 episodes, that's merely introduction.

But then, I'm an older guy, I have an attention span a bit longer than 20 minutes... I can give a new show a several episodes chance, specially when it's as well made as this one.

For one, I'm really curious to see what "The Stranger" will reveal to be. Not anything good, I'm afraid, but who knows ?

I'm an older guy too(49) but if a show isn't doing anything to hold my attention then I lose interest and doze off. I'll keep watching to see where it goes and if it gets any better but I've not liked what I've seen so far. About the only stuff I liked were the scenes with Elrond and the Dwarves.

Have a look at House of the Dragon, that may more to your tastes.

I'm watching HotD and find it to be OK... nothing great but nothing bad. I'm kind of just waiting to see how the actor switch goes. I really like the Rhaenyra character and actress but am concerned that when they switch to a new actress it will suck.

She and Matt Smith are the best parts of the show. By far.

Mendel · September 2022

Slapshot1188 said:

<snip>
... Toss in Legolas but remove Tom Bombadil?

There are also omissions that we are really glad they did. Unless you wanted more hobbit bathing songs.

FrodoFragins · September 2022

blueturtle13 said:

"We were not interested in doing a show about the younger version of the same world you knew, where it's a little bit of a prequel," McKay previously told EW. "We wanted to go way, way, way back and find a story that could exist on its own two feet. This was one that we felt hadn't been told on the level and the scale and with the depth that we felt it deserved."

I like this quote and feel they are right saying 'we dont want to sully what has already been written we want to be in the world but do our own thing.'
That was ok with the Tolkien people too because that is what they told them they could do.

Almost everything he says just demonstrates he has no interest in respecting the world Tolkien created. He just wants to make up a story in that world. If you're OK with that then fine.

Not every story needs to be modernized. When it comes to historical tales, or well established fictional ones, I like consistency.

Focusing on Inclusivity and diversity in those types of story become problematic in terms of world building and in some cases homogenize all races and nations. At least for me.

Amazon did it with the Wheel of Time and they're doing it again with Rings of Power. I can watch them, but I don't feel immersed in them as the writers agendas become more important than (re)telling a good story.

I have no idea why the hundreds of millions of dollars paid to the estate didn't give them complete access to The silmarillion and other works. Maybe it was a personal choice so the writer could tell the story THEY wanted to tell. Maybe the Estate demanded too much money.

FrodoFragins · September 2022

Setzer said:

The_Korrigan said:

Setzer said:

templarga said:

Many in this thread are the perfect example of why fandoms kill great content and then are the first complain when there is not any new content.

I have studied Tolkien in depth, I have taken college classes on Tolkien and I have read his source material and multiple biographies.

I find the show beautiful, fascinating and enjoyable.

Fandoms are their own worst enemy.

Yes, this is it exactly, because as "fans" we're supposed to love EVERYTHING they give us and not criticize ANY of it. /s

Glad you're liking the show! I find it to be rather boring. Boring dialogue, boring characters....fell asleep 20 minutes into the first episode. Visually it looks great...and it should for a billion dollars but they should have invested more of that money into getting better script writers and coming up with a better story that doesn't put you to sleep.

2 episodes, that's merely introduction.

But then, I'm an older guy, I have an attention span a bit longer than 20 minutes... I can give a new show a several episodes chance, specially when it's as well made as this one.

For one, I'm really curious to see what "The Stranger" will reveal to be. Not anything good, I'm afraid, but who knows ?

I'm an older guy too(49) but if a show isn't doing anything to hold my attention then I lose interest and doze off. I'll keep watching to see where it goes and if it gets any better but I've not liked what I've seen so far. About the only stuff I liked were the scenes with Elrond and the Dwarves.

For me the two things holding my interest are The Stranger and what's in the Dwarves box(My guess is a silmaril). If the Stranger turns out to be Gandalf they are already breaking lore. We also know what Sauron looks like when he returns and the Stranger doesn't match.

The Harfoots feel like pandering as does Galadriel looking twenty years old and being a warrior queen.

The elf falling in love with the human is pretty bland and uninteresting, but many elves are I guess.

klash2def · September 2022

Stizzled said:
I've already discussed race in this thread, to a nauseating degree. I've laid out my points and I'm not going to reiterate them. I have lore specific reasons for why I don't like the inclusion of black skinned characters, and those are my only reasons.

Tolkien wasn't racist, you're just unfamiliar with the source material, as are a lot of people attempting to call out racism. If you care to, you can look up the descriptions of each race on any number of LOTR related wikis. It might interest you to know that he (or rather, his son in many cases) even wrote about the different variations of skin color within several of the races.

Nah dude you dont get to write off the conversation as discussing race. You did not discuss race with me you tried to whitesplain Tolkien to me as If I didn't know the source material because I called out your racist statement.

Saying "I have lore-specific reasons to not include black-skinned characters" is another one of your racist comments that Im sure you will say is not racist. Maybe you are one of those people who dont even know they are racist? Maybe? I dont care either way. I treat all racists the same way.

There are no lore-specific reasons to be noninclusive towards black people in ME. Period.

First off there are no "black-skinned" people. You mean Black People (American because Africans go by something else) or Brown Skin people but you are wrong to use both at the same time like that, I think you know what you are doing though, again being so careless about something so touchy, being so passive about it, is easy because you are what you are.

I do find it hilarious that you can be so serious about a fake made-up world and gatekeep its fake lore, but can't understand why I as a black person would be offended enough to be very serious about his very real race that you are being racist towards.

I honestly dont give a shit about what Tolkien wrote. I enjoyed the Peter Jackson films which made me read some of his books in the early 2000s. I think his world is okay but not the best Fantasy world ever.

I DO care that people like you think you can use what he wrote to be racist towards my people.

I funny it funny that people are saying the same things I was saying last night, but only my words got called hate speech by a certain group here. That's just the truth.

I will say it again:

If you are racist, you are evil. If you have racist thoughts. you are evil. I have nothing for you but disdain.

If you have a hard time understanding black people in a fantasy setting, but you can accept Elves, Dragons, Magic Rings, Wizards, Dwarves, and Orcs it's because you are racist. There is nothing else to say. You think in this impossible world where impossible is normalized that Black people being here is just not "Realistic" enough.

No amount of explaining the lore, or mental gymnastics will change what you are.

FrodoFragins · September 2022

Slapshot1188 said:

The_Korrigan said:

Setzer said:

The_Korrigan said:

Setzer said:

templarga said:

Many in this thread are the perfect example of why fandoms kill great content and then are the first complain when there is not any new content.

I have studied Tolkien in depth, I have taken college classes on Tolkien and I have read his source material and multiple biographies.

I find the show beautiful, fascinating and enjoyable.

Fandoms are their own worst enemy.

Yes, this is it exactly, because as "fans" we're supposed to love EVERYTHING they give us and not criticize ANY of it. /s

Glad you're liking the show! I find it to be rather boring. Boring dialogue, boring characters....fell asleep 20 minutes into the first episode. Visually it looks great...and it should for a billion dollars but they should have invested more of that money into getting better script writers and coming up with a better story that doesn't put you to sleep.

2 episodes, that's merely introduction.

But then, I'm an older guy, I have an attention span a bit longer than 20 minutes... I can give a new show a several episodes chance, specially when it's as well made as this one.

For one, I'm really curious to see what "The Stranger" will reveal to be. Not anything good, I'm afraid, but who knows ?

I'm an older guy too(49) but if a show isn't doing anything to hold my attention then I lose interest and doze off. I'll keep watching to see where it goes and if it gets any better but I've not liked what I've seen so far. About the only stuff I liked were the scenes with Elrond and the Dwarves.

Have a look at House of the Dragon, that may more to your tastes.

I'm watching HotD and find it to be OK... nothing great but nothing bad. I'm kind of just waiting to see how the actor switch goes. I really like the Rhaenyra character and actress but am concerned that when they switch to a new actress it will suck.

She and Matt Smith are the best parts of the show. By far.

Apparently there's gonna be a big time skip coming up with several actors being recast. Unfortunately one of them is the most interesting character in the show.

HotD is definitely just OK for me. Hopefully they weren't expecting people to feel anything during these episodes as they haven't earned any.

Slapshot1188 · September 2022

“I honestly dont give a shit about what Tolkien wrote. ”

Yup. Clearly we can all see that.

klash2def · September 2022

Slapshot1188 said:

“I honestly dont give a shit about what Tolkien wrote. ”

Yup. Clearly we can all see that.

With regards to someone saying black people dont belong there because Tolkien didnt write it that way?

No. I DONT.

I guess you don't want the context of what I was saying to be known. It's the only reason you would try to clip this out of everything I wrote. As if it matters.

It doesn't.

I already said I think his stuff is alright, I'm a fan of the films, I like some of the books. He is not the greatest writer ever. P Jackson introduced him to the world because Jackson's films were really good.

There are better fantasy worlds out there.

Now address the rest of my post or will you ignore that part as usual because it's ME saying it.

Sovrath · September 2022

Stizzled said:

Any thoughts on who meteor man might be?

I had originally thought it was them bringing in Galndalf. I realize he didn't come to middle earth until later so it's either some other Maiar or they have changed the timeline.

Slapshot1188 · September 2022

klash2def said:

There are better fantasy worlds out there.

Go watch/read them.

Slapshot1188 · September 2022

Sovrath said:

Stizzled said:

Any thoughts on who meteor man might be?

I had originally thought it was them bringing in Galndalf. I realize he didn't come to middle earth until later so it's either some other Maiar or they have changed the timeline.

They have already changed the timeline... but I doubt they will go that far.

We shall see.

Maybe it's Gandalf's evil half brother Randalf

The_Korrigan · September 2022

Gowndalf. He pwns.

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