Thing is, as much as players have expressed their concern about the size of this P2W package does anyone think there won't be a bigger one before launch? Of course there will be.
Especially when CIG needs that bump to 1.25 billion dollars to finish up the game. For sure! REAL Soon NOW!
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
This is a far cry from Jeremy Walsh and Chronicles of Elyria or that other game that failed that allowed you to buy mansions and other houses for large sums of cash...argh was Revival from Illfonic...lol
An argument could be made that the only difference is in the effectiveness of the Marketing. With $600,000,000 I am pretty sure that even Walsh could have made "progress" over the last decade similar to what Roberts has made.
I have said it before and I will say it again, Sandi is the MVP of the Cloud Imperium Games company. She, more than anyone else, has earned every penny of her salary.
Except Walsh failed miserably and thus fell on the scam side of things and it was pretty obvious from the start that was going to happen when he first came to this forum and we asked him some pointed questions and he got douchey with us.
Same thing can be said with Revival when they basically told us they didn't want poor scrubs playing their game as they were not the target audience.
You can argue that all you want but until SC "actually fails" with the end result of there being no game you are falling more on the hater side with your argument cause it's unfounded right now.
You can be skeptical and not like how it's being managed but you have zero argument when it comes to that fact it has progressed and there is actually a product you can play..unless you want to argue the game peeps log in and play routinely are all imagining things.
Like I said a far, far cry from revival and chronicles.
If SC fails then your argument might have merit till then it really doesn't and it's more pissing and moaning cause peeps don't like the feature creep and management of it all or outright hating.
No one is denying what they are trying to do is highly ambitious and and such failure may very well happen but it hasn't yet.
My biggest gripe is all the ships they are selling and how long it is taking as at this rate I will have died of old age before it releases. I am mainly waiting for SQ42.
However if it gets the game done and released at some point......might make other similar games look amateur hour, empty and maybe force other bigger companies to get there shit together and offer us something similar...
If it does get released and is anywhere half decent lots of meme folks are gonna have to eat crow I think ..lol
btw there is nothing wrong with chevy chase, rodney dangerfield, john candy, steve martin and the like!
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
Thing is, as much as players have expressed their concern about the size of this P2W package does anyone think there won't be a bigger one before launch? Of course there will be.
That's a pack that includes every single ship in a tight and easy to access way when you're viewing the fleet in the hangar.
It's existence was a suggestion of whales with huge fleets as a way to more easily manage their ships/items.
Instead of having several ships spread into diffetent packages that require multiple clicks to go through they got everything in one single package for easy consultation.
Since new ships are released along the years it's price increases as new ones are added to said package.
Ship's are just like toys/cars/tools and some whales like to collect them all.
Atm having the biggest garage just means you can try all kinds of races from the get go not that you'll win the race by default
That's a pack that includes every single ship in a tight and easy to access way when you're viewing the fleet in the hangar.
It's existence was a suggestion of whales with huge fleets as a way to more easily manage their ships/items.
Instead of having several ships spread into diffetent packages that require multiple clicks to go through they got everything in one single package for easy consultation.
Since new ships are released along the years it's price increases as new ones are added to said package.
Ship's are just like toys/cars/tools and some whales like to collect them all.
Atm having the biggest garage just means you can try all kinds of races from the get go not that you'll win the race by default
I am sure you are right, but until we see what ships can do in the launched game, if they can be given to others and if they can operate in any way automatically we won't know how P2W selling ships is, though the potential is there.
That's a pack that includes every single ship in a tight and easy to access way when you're viewing the fleet in the hangar.
It's existence was a suggestion of whales with huge fleets as a way to more easily manage their ships/items.
Instead of having several ships spread into diffetent packages that require multiple clicks to go through they got everything in one single package for easy consultation.
Since new ships are released along the years it's price increases as new ones are added to said package.
Ship's are just like toys/cars/tools and some whales like to collect them all.
Atm having the biggest garage just means you can try all kinds of races from the get go not that you'll win the race by default
I am sure you are right, but until we see what ships can do in the launched game, if they can be given to others and if they can operate in any way automatically we won't know how P2W selling ships is, though the potential is there.
We already know all that. You can let anyone fly your ship already. There's no BoP/BoE items in star citizen but most things will be tied to reputation/permits.
All loot is currently shareable and loosable. Buying stuff with real money just guarantees you're able to still retrieve them somehow.
And no, ships wont be able to be operated automatically, big ships also have big costs associated with them. From fuel their maintenance to the actual man power needed to be operated effectively. Which has been the planned design since inception and recently showcased more indepth in a game dev panel at their latest event:
That's a pack that includes every single ship in a tight and easy to access way when you're viewing the fleet in the hangar.
It's existence was a suggestion of whales with huge fleets as a way to more easily manage their ships/items.
Instead of having several ships spread into diffetent packages that require multiple clicks to go through they got everything in one single package for easy consultation.
Since new ships are released along the years it's price increases as new ones are added to said package.
Ship's are just like toys/cars/tools and some whales like to collect them all.
Atm having the biggest garage just means you can try all kinds of races from the get go not that you'll win the race by default
I am sure you are right, but until we see what ships can do in the launched game, if they can be given to others and if they can operate in any way automatically we won't know how P2W selling ships is, though the potential is there.
We already know all that. You can let anyone fly your ship already. There's no BoP/BoE items in star citizen but most things will be tied to reputation/permits.
All loot is currently shareable and loosable. Buying stuff with real money just guarantees you're able to still retrieve them somehow.
And no, ships wont be able to be operated automatically, big ships also have big costs associated with them. From fuel their maintenance to the actual man power needed to be operated effectively. Which has been the planned design since inception and recently showcased more indepth in a game dev panel at their latest event:
The P2W factor in Star Citizen is most likely going to come from insurances:
Have 50 ships with life-time insurance? Losing them is free since they respawn as fast as you can realistically get them killed.
Have only base game package? You're facing a much larger death penalty.
Also, all of Star Citizen's ships could be classified BoP since you can't trade them in-game. The limited ability to lend ships or steal them is more of an extension to what the BoP ship's owner can do with it, not a way anyone else could acquire ownership.
That's a pack that includes every single ship in a tight and easy to access way when you're viewing the fleet in the hangar.
It's existence was a suggestion of whales with huge fleets as a way to more easily manage their ships/items.
Instead of having several ships spread into diffetent packages that require multiple clicks to go through they got everything in one single package for easy consultation.
Since new ships are released along the years it's price increases as new ones are added to said package.
Ship's are just like toys/cars/tools and some whales like to collect them all.
Atm having the biggest garage just means you can try all kinds of races from the get go not that you'll win the race by default
I am sure you are right, but until we see what ships can do in the launched game, if they can be given to others and if they can operate in any way automatically we won't know how P2W selling ships is, though the potential is there.
We already know all that. You can let anyone fly your ship already. There's no BoP/BoE items in star citizen but most things will be tied to reputation/permits.
All loot is currently shareable and loosable. Buying stuff with real money just guarantees you're able to still retrieve them somehow.
And no, ships wont be able to be operated automatically, big ships also have big costs associated with them. From fuel their maintenance to the actual man power needed to be operated effectively. Which has been the planned design since inception and recently showcased more indepth in a game dev panel at their latest event:
The P2W factor in Star Citizen is most likely going to come from insurances:
Have 50 ships with life-time insurance? Losing them is free since they respawn as fast as you can realistically get them killed.
Have only base game package? You're facing a much larger death penalty.
Also, all of Star Citizen's ships could be classified BoP since you can't trade them in-game. The limited ability to lend ships or steal them is more of an extension to what the BoP ship's owner can do with it, not a way anyone else could acquire ownership.
Not quite. Insurance from bought ships only covers the main hull. Upgraded components (guns, shields etc) will be lost so you'll have to replace those too.
Respawning ships has timers, the bigger the ship the bigger the respawn time. You can have multiple ships ready and equiped and use one after the other though.
No ship is BoP. Every ship is a vehicle ingame that can be flown by anyone who reaches the pilot's seat.
Stealing ships is already a thing, boarding, hiding inside other peoples ships, hijcaking, extortion, activating the self-destruct timer and bailing etc etc
You can already give ships/items to other players through the game's website "gift" feature.
That's a pack that includes every single ship in a tight and easy to access way when you're viewing the fleet in the hangar.
It's existence was a suggestion of whales with huge fleets as a way to more easily manage their ships/items.
Instead of having several ships spread into diffetent packages that require multiple clicks to go through they got everything in one single package for easy consultation.
Since new ships are released along the years it's price increases as new ones are added to said package.
Ship's are just like toys/cars/tools and some whales like to collect them all.
Atm having the biggest garage just means you can try all kinds of races from the get go not that you'll win the race by default
I am sure you are right, but until we see what ships can do in the launched game, if they can be given to others and if they can operate in any way automatically we won't know how P2W selling ships is, though the potential is there.
We already know all that. You can let anyone fly your ship already. There's no BoP/BoE items in star citizen but most things will be tied to reputation/permits.
All loot is currently shareable and loosable. Buying stuff with real money just guarantees you're able to still retrieve them somehow.
And no, ships wont be able to be operated automatically, big ships also have big costs associated with them. From fuel their maintenance to the actual man power needed to be operated effectively. Which has been the planned design since inception and recently showcased more indepth in a game dev panel at their latest event:
The P2W factor in Star Citizen is most likely going to come from insurances:
Have 50 ships with life-time insurance? Losing them is free since they respawn as fast as you can realistically get them killed.
Have only base game package? You're facing a much larger death penalty.
Also, all of Star Citizen's ships could be classified BoP since you can't trade them in-game. The limited ability to lend ships or steal them is more of an extension to what the BoP ship's owner can do with it, not a way anyone else could acquire ownership.
Not quite. Insurance from bought ships only covers the main hull. Upgraded components (guns, shields etc) will be lost so you'll have to replace those too.
Respawning ships has timers, the bigger the ship the bigger the respawn time. You can have multiple ships ready and equiped and use one after the other though.
No ship is BoP. Every ship is a vehicle ingame that can be flown by anyone who reaches the pilot's seat.
Stealing ships is already a thing, boarding, hiding inside other peoples ships, hijcaking, extortion, activating the self-destruct timer and bailing etc etc
You can already give ships/items to other players through the game's website "gift" feature.
Which just reinforces the great value of the $48k Legatus package. I hope you have joined those of us who are real supporters with our 200+ vehicles! Best deal in gaming.
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Not quite. Insurance from bought ships only covers the main hull. Upgraded components (guns, shields etc) will be lost so you'll have to replace those too.
Respawning ships has timers, the bigger the ship the bigger the respawn time. You can have multiple ships ready and equiped and use one after the other though.
No ship is BoP. Every ship is a vehicle ingame that can be flown by anyone who reaches the pilot's seat.
Stealing ships is already a thing, boarding, hiding inside other peoples ships, hijcaking, extortion, activating the self-destruct timer and bailing etc etc
You can already give ships/items to other players through the game's website "gift" feature.
Yes, you lose upgraded components if your ship blows up.
But thanks to the timer, someone with just one suitable ship has to stop whatever he was doing and wait. Whereas someone with second suitable ship ready for action can jump right in and continue. The death penalty is on a completely different scale unless you've got multiple insured ships suitable for whatever you were doing.
Every vehicle can be flown by anyone, but even if you fly someone else's vehicle it's still bound to its owner and the owner will eventually get it back. The non-owner can only keep it for a short while, but has no means to keep it permanently even if he manages to fly it.
It's different from usual BoP system, but the ship is bound to you.
I think it's a wise system and I don't mean to criticize it. It wouldn't really work if those ships weren't bound.
That's a pack that includes every single ship in a tight and easy to access way when you're viewing the fleet in the hangar.
It's existence was a suggestion of whales with huge fleets as a way to more easily manage their ships/items.
Instead of having several ships spread into diffetent packages that require multiple clicks to go through they got everything in one single package for easy consultation.
Since new ships are released along the years it's price increases as new ones are added to said package.
Ship's are just like toys/cars/tools and some whales like to collect them all.
Atm having the biggest garage just means you can try all kinds of races from the get go not that you'll win the race by default
I am sure you are right, but until we see what ships can do in the launched game, if they can be given to others and if they can operate in any way automatically we won't know how P2W selling ships is, though the potential is there.
We already know all that. You can let anyone fly your ship already. There's no BoP/BoE items in star citizen but most things will be tied to reputation/permits.
All loot is currently shareable and loosable. Buying stuff with real money just guarantees you're able to still retrieve them somehow.
And no, ships wont be able to be operated automatically, big ships also have big costs associated with them. From fuel their maintenance to the actual man power needed to be operated effectively. Which has been the planned design since inception and recently showcased more indepth in a game dev panel at their latest event:
But as you often say, until launch everything is subject to change, amiright?
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Not at all, you might not have a capable ship but you can still go there in any other ship. Or you can rent a ship for 1 day for cheap or just leave it for another day and caught said player in a situation when he's more vunerable (on foot).
Besides, the Jump right in and continue is not like you're respawning in Arathi Bassin and jumping back to the action in a couple of seconds. Since death has more consequences and it can take quite a bit more time and planning to go back to battle in a open universe scenario.
But as you often say, until launch everything is subject to change, amiright?
And there's the rub for any game in development, we just don't know how much it will change. What Babuinix has said in the last couple of posts is reassuring, but we simply won't know till launch.
But as you often say, until launch everything is subject to change, amiright?
I'd say even after launch, MMO's and most live service games are bound to change a lot after release. Just remember all the changes WoW classes and mechanics have gotten along the years or how blizzard upgraded the network infrastructure to support sharding etc
Insurance on ships? Yea, it works in Elite Dangerous; legitimately. Here we have where your $45K ship blows up because it bugged out while trying to land, legitimately.
but explain the scam, because a lot of you have just arranged buzzwords and talking points focused around this projects controversy.
The scam is that despite the kickstarter claims, they have zero intention of ever releasing a game. They make money hand over fist by feature creeping endlessly and making yearly pretty videos.
Releasing a game as originally outlined is not a goal AT ALL. Milking people for money year after year is. and if they somehow manage to get the first of its kind server meshing working it could become a massive moneymaker as well in licensing. and if they can't they can keep pretending to make progress until they stop getting funded.
Interesting fun fact, back in 2018 this package cost $27K, so the current price reflects the additional "value" of the many new ships added to it since then. (Plus a little something for inflation most likely.)
Will be interesting to see where it tops out at before the game finally launches.
$75K or even more is not unreasonable considering it's probably not launching in anything less than 5 years or so.
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by the time it releases, SC will stop being SciFi and will be just Fantasy...
Well the interplay between those two genres is a storied one that goes so far back, in gaming too. Think of Anarchy Online for example, it started as very SF and ended up with a big dollop of fantasy.
I don't frequent this site as much as I used to. I suppose mainly because I haven't really played any mmos in a few years. I still enjoy visiting from time to time. Every single time there is some discussion about this game. Still promising to launch(lol). Of course there are always some who will defend this no matter what. It's definitely comedy gold.
I don't frequent this site as much as I used to. I suppose mainly because I haven't really played any mmos in a few years. I still enjoy visiting from time to time. Every single time there is some discussion about this game. Still promising to launch(lol). Of course there are always some cucks who will defend this no matter what. It's definitely comedy gold.
Welcome back to posting. There really isn't a lot of mmo talk on this site anyway and it's mostly the same old arguments, so pop in more often.
What kinds of games do you play now? Would you play this or Squadron 42? For me it's unlikely as I've grown tired of the deluge of persistent monetization and cash shop/loot crate shenanigans in GAAS games.
I don't frequent this site as much as I used to. I suppose mainly because I haven't really played any mmos in a few years. I still enjoy visiting from time to time. Every single time there is some discussion about this game. Still promising to launch(lol). Of course there are always some cucks who will defend this no matter what. It's definitely comedy gold.
Welcome back to posting. There really isn't a lot of mmo talk on this site anyway and it's mostly the same old arguments, so pop in more often.
What kinds of games do you play now? Would you play this or Squadron 42? For me it's unlikely as I've grown tired of the deluge of persistent monetization and cash shop/loot crate shenanigans in GAAS games.
I mostly play single player games and short lived multiplayer games like Diablo 4. I can't seem to be able to get into any of the available mmos. I'll occasionally play ESO or the new WoW expansions. I never last more than a few game sessions though. I suppose the genre hasn't really progressed and offered anything new in the past decade. Nothing in the mmo genre excites me like it used to. I can't even think of a traditional mmo in the works I care about at all. I
As far as this game. If it comes out at some point, I might try it out. I don't really follow it because I have no interest in waiting decades for a game to launch haha. So I suppose we'll see if we ever see a full game.
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Especially when CIG needs that bump to 1.25 billion dollars to finish up the game. For sure! REAL Soon NOW!
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
It's existence was a suggestion of whales with huge fleets as a way to more easily manage their ships/items.
Instead of having several ships spread into diffetent packages that require multiple clicks to go through they got everything in one single package for easy consultation.
Since new ships are released along the years it's price increases as new ones are added to said package.
Ship's are just like toys/cars/tools and some whales like to collect them all.
Atm having the biggest garage just means you can try all kinds of races from the get go not that you'll win the race by default
All loot is currently shareable and loosable. Buying stuff with real money just guarantees you're able to still retrieve them somehow.
And no, ships wont be able to be operated automatically, big ships also have big costs associated with them. From fuel their maintenance to the actual man power needed to be operated effectively. Which has been the planned design since inception and recently showcased more indepth in a game dev panel at their latest event:
Have 50 ships with life-time insurance? Losing them is free since they respawn as fast as you can realistically get them killed.
Have only base game package? You're facing a much larger death penalty.
Also, all of Star Citizen's ships could be classified BoP since you can't trade them in-game. The limited ability to lend ships or steal them is more of an extension to what the BoP ship's owner can do with it, not a way anyone else could acquire ownership.
Respawning ships has timers, the bigger the ship the bigger the respawn time. You can have multiple ships ready and equiped and use one after the other though.
No ship is BoP. Every ship is a vehicle ingame that can be flown by anyone who reaches the pilot's seat.
Stealing ships is already a thing, boarding, hiding inside other peoples ships, hijcaking, extortion, activating the self-destruct timer and bailing etc etc
You can already give ships/items to other players through the game's website "gift" feature.
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But thanks to the timer, someone with just one suitable ship has to stop whatever he was doing and wait. Whereas someone with second suitable ship ready for action can jump right in and continue. The death penalty is on a completely different scale unless you've got multiple insured ships suitable for whatever you were doing.
Every vehicle can be flown by anyone, but even if you fly someone else's vehicle it's still bound to its owner and the owner will eventually get it back. The non-owner can only keep it for a short while, but has no means to keep it permanently even if he manages to fly it.
It's different from usual BoP system, but the ship is bound to you.
I think it's a wise system and I don't mean to criticize it. It wouldn't really work if those ships weren't bound.
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Besides, the Jump right in and continue is not like you're respawning in Arathi Bassin and jumping back to the action in a couple of seconds. Since death has more consequences and it can take quite a bit more time and planning to go back to battle in a open universe scenario.
Releasing a game as originally outlined is not a goal AT ALL. Milking people for money year after year is. and if they somehow manage to get the first of its kind server meshing working it could become a massive moneymaker as well in licensing. and if they can't they can keep pretending to make progress until they stop getting funded.
Will be interesting to see where it tops out at before the game finally launches.
$75K or even more is not unreasonable considering it's probably not launching in anything less than 5 years or so.
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As far as this game. If it comes out at some point, I might try it out. I don't really follow it because I have no interest in waiting decades for a game to launch haha. So I suppose we'll see if we ever see a full game.