Originally posted by Arremus Originally posted by Zorvan Thank you for reinforcing my point,Gotsa
Hahah just like a Fundamentalist (insert religion here).
Remember that episode in The Simpons where the dog was digging holes and whatnot in the backyard, and so Homer goes out and yells at the dog, something like: "You're not a good boy! You can't dig holes or we'll take you to the pound! Bad dog, no food for you!!" and the dog sits there happily cos all he heard was: "You're blah a good boy! Blah blah dig holes blah blah blah blah blah! Blah dog, blah food for you!!" selectively hearing the parts he wants to hear.
Well you're ten times worse.
The servers could literally be falling to pieces around you, the world tearing and smouldering into ruins, people permanently locked out if they get booted, yet you'd still see "the potential" in it.
And to pre-empt your question, no, I do not give a living shit what you like or dislike in a game. What I DO HATE is the fact that these incompetent fools are 'releasing' a game that is so phenomenally and completely atrocious that it's putting a major slur on our genre. These idiots at Farlan are effectively turning our genre into a laughing stock with this release. These tools are effectively doing everything they can to say "Hey, it's ok to release half finished and unrealised products, barely playable and completely unstable!" as a benchmark for other 'small' Developers. It's apparently ok to just go ahead and release whatever you have available at the time, charging more than what a lot of REAL companies are charging, for a product not even remotely similar value for money.
And I just love all these one post bandits surfacing on MMO sites posting in defense of this game, especially the ones who create an account just to start a thread. I wonder how many times those threads are repeated on other MMO sites word for word. Roll out the Fanboi Fanatical Dev Inspired PR & Propaganda Machine!
In short, there needs to be a way to sue these completely incompetent juvenile-wannabe-bigboys for sending our genre into disrepute to send out a clear signal so this complete travesty of a production-type is not repeated. There needs to be a way to stop productions like this steaming pile of crap, and Mourning etc, from tarnishing our beloved genre.
I feel a war brewing dammit!
Viva la revofuckinglution.
Ummm, I was saying AO was better than DnL would ever be. How are people misreading that that to think I support DnL?
Originally posted by Starbear Lastly before you bash them into the ground ask yourself, can you right now make a better game? If you said no than just give the game its due review and move on.
Probably not, but I know I can PLAY a better game right now.
Originally posted by Signe Originally posted by Starbear Lastly before you bash them into the ground ask yourself, can you right now make a better game? If you said no than just give the game its due review and move on.
Probably not, but I know I can PLAY a better game right now.
Originally posted by Dabble Sorry, but I am sure this Avayat has been employed to post here for damage control. Sure he has said he has had problems with the game. Otherwise it wouldn't be a beliveable rouse. Please do not pay attention to this poster. He is obviously shilling for the game. The reason why I look through the various forums on this site is the same reason, I am sure, many of you do too. To get other people impressions about the available and up-coming games. These shills are hurting the community here. It is important for these forums to help us all with purchasing decisions and to get an idea of what is good and bad out there. Shills like Avayat can potentially ruin the community here. Please don't give them any credence.
This I've had it. I've reported this for flaming, trolling and attack a poster. Unless you have ANY proof to back it up, I suggest you tone down your voice.
I DO have proof I'm not working for Farlan/AD as I'm willing to supply my REAL NAME and stuff to MMORPG so they can contact Farlan/AD only to find out that Farlan/AD have never heard of the REAL ME!
There you go.
You sir, are a complete idiot, and are completely unworthy listening to. I'm just glad that *some* people, unfortunately the minority, are more mature and are able to keep a normal discussion going instead of throwing out completely untruths and acusations just based on their own opinions.
Originally posted by StepOff Waisted money on this game and feel like somebody broke into my car and stole my 50 doller am/fm radio! Head the warning people!
Being a pioneer account? -> Yo gambled when signing up in the first place, knowing well it was an investment. You got to play SoG, have 2 months in DnL, goths and a pioneer dragon. You payed, about 60$ for over a half years of gameplay (SoG). So what are you complaining about?
Being a settler account? -> I'm not sure how much it did cost when you bought it (never bothered to look at it), but you also got to play SoG for over half a year, have 1 month in DnL, goths and a Gryphon which is faster then the pioneer dragon. So as with the Pioneer account I don't get it.
A normal account -> Which were only recently opened up? Then you didn't read reviews and went ahead.
Your comparison holds no grounds. You made the choice to pay for these types of account.
Originally posted by Dabble Far all I know the firm that is paying you to post here isn't connect to Farlan/AD. Just stop with the deception and leave our forums.
Since I'm not payed by anyone to be here, it clearly shows your full utter ignorance. Reported for personal attack.
Originally posted by Avayat- Originally posted by Avayat- Originally posted by Sassiassisme
Originally posted by Avayat- What I don't get is, why not buy this game?
I can come up with only a few answers: 1. It's not WoW-like: no easy kill-loot-rinse-repeat game. There are tactics involved and brains. but combat and animation is incredibly awkward, clumsy , choppy, so pretty much use your brain to figure out that the developers have dropped the ball. Uhm... I wouldnt say much, but I've seen worse animations. Right now, even SWG springs to mind. That's Benny Hill on crack and giving me nausea. DnL doesnt give me nausea. But I agree. It could be a bit more fluent. It doesn't take away that to kill opponents, even PvP you need some brain instead of click/target lock and keep mouse button down for the attacks or use default attack. Oh man tell the truth for xrist sakes. The camera itself makes it feel as tho you are on a leaky lifeboat in the Perfect Storm. Take some dramimine before you enter this game. Fluency in motion does in fact take away the combat issue. Couple that with the whole schematic and you have a complete and utter high school first semester combat system triple that with the stats bars not working and the lag going on and guess what> you get dead or the mob is dead and you dont know how.
Everyone has his own playstyle. I can overlook graphic problems because to me, those are NOT on top of my list what I look for in a game. Others might tho.. /shrug
Welll, I for one, when Im playing a 'hard core" mmo, I expect damn near perfect graphics along with damn near perfect animation while in combat. Otherwise you are essentially doing nothing. Skills are off because the animation is off, the UI is forked up and the AI on the mob is completely insane and the other pvp'er is in the same boat as you, wondering what the hell just happened and did the friggin work?
oh and yes Virginia, there are games out there like that.
2. Yes, there are issues (FPS problem for a lot, but if you read forum, there are plenty of tips how to improve; even so, it's acknowledged there is a problem and being worked on). So if you work with the community chances are high it's not even an issue anymore.
Chances are high that you will have to change many configurations within your computer system, download older drivers for your card, remove any virus scan program and/or Defender program, remove your firewall, delete some files and you may just have your "workaround". Many of the "help" recieved from the fanbois are throw it in the air and pray it works. This process will in fact cause many problems for you when you are NOT playing the game and you have to change everything you did change if you wish to play another game and go through it all again when you wish to play DNL again.
Well, because of the Internal Error bug I cannot log in, but I've bought a new video card last friday (which I needed anyway... the old ATI9600SE wasn't good anymore for a lot of games so I've gotten myself a GF6800GT 512Mb... With ALL options high, including AA(!) I have 6-8 FPS in town and about 10-12 outside towns.
Whoa golly my oh my!!! Batten down the hatches, we gotta a hell of a gust from your dust! OMFG. Thats acceptable to you? Even DDO averages at 35FPS on the most mundane of video cards. Get it?
For me, it's using common sense and applying logic. Nothing more.
And for just about every other mmo player its a pain in the arse since the system they have right here, right now, does just dandy in every game they play except DNL. Common sense? Ayup, makes sense to me alrighty.
3. Yes, there are bugs (ever seen any MMO come to live (or any other software package for that matter) without any bugs/problems/issues? I haven't. Consider SWG for example: still after 2 overhauls, a 3rd is coming while there are still bugs from the BETA almost 3 years ago...
Leaving apples and oranges out of this as well as a launch that is already two years old, the bugs in this game are game play stopping bugs. Not one thing that you attempt to do is without a bug of some sort. In any action you wish to perform there is a bug that will end it. And the bugs in this game are said to be the same bugs that were in the beta for this 2 years ago.
Ok, now explain. If DnL has bugs that has two years old, SOE has bugs that are three years old, how is that comparing apples and oranges? It's the same.
Read that reply again. Thats not what was stated nor implied. If I have to explain it to you, you are hopeless in this topic.
But I dare a bet that Farlan will fix the bugs faster, especially the gamebreaking bugs then SOE will.
SOE -- so then you are saying that in each and every game SOE has bugs that absolutely stop any forward motion in anything you attempt to do? You are high man.
Little example: about 3 months ago with a patch SOE broke the Entertainer Droid modules. Fix is yet scheduled to come... (on Testcenter). Farlan had put in NPCs for quest, but got them bugged. Next patch (hours later), it was fixed.
My gawd you are clueless arent you? The druid (correct spelling btw) example is NOT a game stopping bug! The rest of the game is fine! The NPC quests are the content, they were messed up and from what I witnessed myself yesterday, some of th quests themselves are forked up!!! Those are GAME STOPPING ISSUES,.You cant STILL play the the rest of the game!!! you cant finish a quest because you dont know where to go, there is no mob yet, or the instructions are just so friggin vague its impossible to figure out what the hell you are supposed to do. Using your brain is one thing, calling down Osmosis is another. The entertainer module, if you would bother to check out the tech/dev chat about it, you would see your example is a complete and utter joke compared to the non working, nonsense that you call a NPC and quest.
4. It seems they are not working to fix things. This is a complete wrong assumption. Yesterday (monday) there were 2 patches. Compare this to other games... For a small company doing 2 patches in one day gives some idea how much effort they put in to get the most broken stuff fixed asap.
The patches provide more problems, more changes to your settings and provide for even more bugs.
As does SOE with their patches... So what's the point? Yet, Farlan fixes the things they break faster then SOE does (see above).
Yeha, see above. I dont believe SOEs have ever caused me to reconfigure my system alll over again and delete this file and move this file and rename this file and backup my system and take off my security programs. Thats the difference.
5. Feedback is slow. I admit that. But eventually there *is* feedback... Compare to a big company like SOE: what communication? Again apples and oranges. Feedback here is nonexistent or from someone other than a game tech. I personally have had no problems with SOE in other games other than SWG. I can only compare to SOE-SWG. CSR and dev feedback is/was completely non-existing.
First off, this game isnt in the same league with the same amount of players vs csr reps so that can hardly be a comparable. Secondly, it would appear that your experience is mainly one of SWG only. I suggest you play a few more games in order to see the "general" view of "most" games. And again, I personally have never had any problems whatsoever in csr in any SOE game. I am not saying I happen to like nor currently play all their games but I have at least attempted them. I currently have accounts in two of their games and I have had no problems at all.
Even worse CSR have no clue about how to fix things and you get canned response. Again compared to DnL/AD IG, /gmHelp and email support is way better then SOE/SWG. Even on forum, there is more feedback then on SOE forums: DnL forum moderators are actually supplying info. Devs on SOE forums give canned answers.
The Devs are the mods in DNLf orums. The Mods at SWG forums are just that. Volunteer mods. I have never had a problem with contacting and interfacing with CSR in any of the SOE games, what is it now 4 games? And yes I have seen Devs in game in all the SOEs as well as DNL. I have just never seen a Dev hunting down a bug in the live server. They usually have the good graces to keep that on the test servers. The Devs I have seen in DNL have responded in a rude and callous manner the one and only time I asked for help from them.He pretty much told me my problem is my own and he couldnt help me "any further".
As far as the fans helping players, that happens in any game, It is not unusual at all. Unless of course you are a total azzzhole then nobody will help you and that too is in every game you play. So your experience differs quite a bit, in polars, to mine. Problem is ..there are 100's that feel that feel the same I do. You are the minority. And since you insist on plastering your shill here , you are also in the minority here.
Again, it comes down to personal experiences. You have good experiences with SOE's other games. I have had no good experience with SOE's SWG (support-wise, communication wise) and have found contrast in Farlan/AD.
Then you again, are in the minority of the players of DNL. Just look at the boards. Look at these boards. Look at all the other mmo site boards. You are indeed an island unto yourself.
It's an initial price of about 50$ isn't it (I'm pioneer, so I don't know what it is right now). Then you can choose for a FREE subscription... Yes... I repeat FREE... Some content won't be available, but if you read some STICKIED post on the DnL forum it's explained why you don't need a payed subscription just yet.
$55 right now. The FREE Subscription is a pay-to-be-gimped with a level 20 cap on things that would gimp you even further. The subscription is not FREE. Its a PAID for 'credits" which are then used in game to help you gimp yourself. You dont need a paid subscription yet because you pay for the first month in the upfront price of the game.
What you're saying here is complete BS. There is no level cap on a free subscription.
REad the fine print ---- SXP is capped at level 20. other caps apply,. Its in the ****tiny teeny writing at the bottom.
Don't spread untruths: readthis announcement about the subscriptions. Every time you buy a free subscription pack, 15 credits are added, which you then can use to unlock a kingdom, or equip ELITE items. about the subscriptions. Every time you buy a free subscription pack, 15 credits are added, which you then can use to unlock a kingdom, or equip ELITE items.
Look what you just wrote : EVery time you BUY a free subscription. What the hell is free if you are paying for it???? You PAY for the credits!!!! WHATS FREE? You can use them to equip CERTAIN armor, CERTAIN services, CERTAIN areas, and very very few privledges, and are even needed to repair and cant be ata certain pt or some crap like that. Essentially gimping yourself. Its not hard to understand. Read the entire thing, including the **fine print.
Since these kinds of items are not crafted yet, there is no need.
So why buy?
As for the social positions (guildleader,fortleader, holdingleader) it's a choice.
So why buy?
I don't need to be one of those just yet. Combined it gives me plenty of time to await what will be done with DnL at NO EXTRA cost.
At NO EXTRA COST except for the PURCHASE of the credits so you can play for FREE and be a gimp. Its FREE but you gotta BUY IT FIRST.
I'm pioneer, so I get 2 months and have played SoG from the start, having fun. It's worth to me.
I thot you just bought this game today?
I think most of these people here are annoyed and trying to undermine a growing game with a lot of potential. It just needs some more time.
Most of the people here have been disgusted by what Farlan has provided for the well earned cash. People are annoyed because it isnt anywhere near an acceptable release. People are annoyed because the game isnt what was promised. People are annoyed because the promises dont mean much. Paying for the 'time" this game needs is ridiculous. People are annoyed because they did not expect to be paying for an alpha/beta stage game. People are annoyed because of the treatment of the customers. Expecting people to PAY for an alpha/beta stage game at release is extremely annoying.
Let me get something straight. I'm not so overly enthousiastic how the game currently is. It definately needs more fixing. But that WAS AN INFORMED CHANCE WHEN YOU PRE-PAID: everyone who did took a gamble on this hyped game.
Hardly. Would you like to see what the sales pitch was? Would you like to sit and count the times the pioneers were told "at launch". Would you like to review what was promised the pioneers and compare it to what they did get at "launch". Would you like to go over each and every promise they made in order to make you want to purchase this game? Would you like to go over each and every shill planted bs post and review this game has done in order to get more ppl to pay? I dont think either one of us have time. No one and I mean no one was INFORMED AT THE TIME OF PURCHASE this would be an incomplete and horrible game to play.
Final. Nothing less, nothing more. I accepted that gamble when I got my pioneer account. So far, I don't regret it: played SoG with friends from SWG, they are still here too and so am I. We like things other people cannot understand. Read forums.swgranger.com for a change, section DnL.... story about one of us who completely got lost in the game (in a good sense). To conclude: it was a choice everyone MADE. It could be worse, like no game at all... ]
No one and I mean NO ONE made the choice at the time of purchase to essentially be an alpha/beta tester while paying the company for the privledge of testing their unfinished and horrid game. Pioneer or not. Period.
Compare THAT situation with the SMED SOE pulled when they forced down the NGE down people's throats after bait & switch of Trials of Obi-wan... That's in my opinion a complete lack of ethics; let alone how to treat customers.
Yeha pretty shitty so I guess a complete farce of a "game" that drew ppl in on empty promises, tried to keep their money (until they found out the legalities of that move) and now wish to silence any who speak against it (GESTAPO!) is okay right? Since SWG did this,.........
I wonder with THAT game, why I payed what I did for a good game, to a beta game to see it end up as an ALPHA game, with all the broken promises (much more broken promises then Farlan/AD if I may say so). With SWG I HAD NO CHOICE. NOBODY SAW IT COMING.
And look how pissed and bitter you are! My my! Feels familiar for some reason.
For DnL many people saw it coming (me included), so I don't think people should complain that much. See previous paragraph again.
Most of the people here have been disgusted by what Farlan has provided for the well earned cash. People are annoyed because it isnt anywhere near an acceptable release. People are annoyed because the game isnt what was promised. People are annoyed because the promises dont mean much. Paying for the 'time" this game needs is ridiculous. People are annoyed because they did not expect to be paying for an alpha/beta stage game. People are annoyed because of the treatment of the customers. Expecting people to PAY for an alpha/beta stage game at release is extremely annoying.
Let me get something straight. I'm not so overly enthousiastic how the game currently is. It definately needs more fixing. But that WAS AN INFORMED CHANCE WHEN YOU PRE-PAID: everyone who did took a gamble on this hyped game.
Hardly. Would you like to see what the sales pitch was? Would you like to sit and count the times the pioneers were told "at launch". Would you like to review what was promised the pioneers and compare it to what they did get at "launch". Would you like to go over each and every promise they made in order to make you want to purchase this game? Would you like to go over each and every shill planted bs post and review this game has done in order to get more ppl to pay? I dont think either one of us have time. No one and I mean no one was INFORMED AT THE TIME OF PURCHASE this would be an incomplete and horrible game to play.
Final. Nothing less, nothing more. I accepted that gamble when I got my pioneer account. So far, I don't regret it: played SoG with friends from SWG, they are still here too and so am I. We like things other people cannot understand. Read forums.swgranger.com for a change, section DnL.... story about one of us who completely got lost in the game (in a good sense). To conclude: it was a choice everyone MADE. It could be worse, like no game at all... ]
No one and I mean NO ONE made the choice at the time of purchase to essentially be an alpha/beta tester while paying the company for the privledge of testing their unfinished and horrid game. Pioneer or not. Period.
Compare THAT situation with the SMED SOE pulled when they forced down the NGE down people's throats after bait & switch of Trials of Obi-wan... That's in my opinion a complete lack of ethics; let alone how to treat customers.
Yeha pretty shitty so I guess a complete farce of a "game" that drew ppl in on empty promises, tried to keep their money (until they found out the legalities of that move) and now wish to silence any who speak against it (GESTAPO!) is okay right? Since SWG did this,.........
I wonder with THAT game, why I payed what I did for a good game, to a beta game to see it end up as an ALPHA game, with all the broken promises (much more broken promises then Farlan/AD if I may say so). With SWG I HAD NO CHOICE. NOBODY SAW IT COMING.
And look how pissed and bitter you are! My my! Feels familiar for some reason.
For DnL many people saw it coming (me included), so I don't think people should complain that much. See previous paragraph again.
5. Feedback is slow. I admit that. But eventually there *is* feedback... Compare to a big company like SOE: what communication? Again apples and oranges. Feedback here is nonexistent or from someone other than a game tech. I personally have had no problems with SOE in other games other than SWG. I can only compare to SOE-SWG. CSR and dev feedback is/was completely non-existing. First off, this game isnt in the same league with the same amount of players vs csr reps so that can hardly be a comparable. Secondly, it would appear that your experience is mainly one of SWG only. I suggest you play a few more games in order to see the "general" view of "most" games. And again, I personally have never had any problems whatsoever in csr in any SOE game. I am not saying I happen to like nor currently play all their games but I have at least attempted them. I currently have accounts in two of their games and I have had no problems at all. Even worse CSR have no clue about how to fix things and you get canned response. Again compared to DnL/AD IG, /gmHelp and email support is way better then SOE/SWG. Even on forum, there is more feedback then on SOE forums: DnL forum moderators are actually supplying info. Devs on SOE forums give canned answers. The Devs are the mods in DNLf orums. The Mods at SWG forums are just that. Volunteer mods. I have never had a problem with contacting and interfacing with CSR in any of the SOE games, what is it now 4 games? And yes I have seen Devs in game in all the SOEs as well as DNL. I have just never seen a Dev hunting down a bug in the live server. They usually have the good graces to keep that on the test servers. The Devs I have seen in DNL have responded in a rude and callous manner the one and only time I asked for help from them.He pretty much told me my problem is my own and he couldnt help me "any further". As far as the fans helping players, that happens in any game, It is not unusual at all. Unless of course you are a total azzzhole then nobody will help you and that too is in every game you play. So your experience differs quite a bit, in polars, to mine. Problem is ..there are 100's that feel that feel the same I do. You are the minority. And since you insist on plastering your shill here , you are also in the minority here. Again, it comes down to personal experiences. You have good experiences with SOE's other games. I have had no good experience with SOE's SWG (support-wise, communication wise) and have found contrast in Farlan/AD. Then you again, are in the minority of the players of DNL. Just look at the boards. Look at these boards. Look at all the other mmo site boards. You are indeed an island unto yourself. It's an initial price of about 50$ isn't it (I'm pioneer, so I don't know what it is right now). Then you can choose for a FREE subscription... Yes... I repeat FREE... Some content won't be available, but if you read some STICKIED post on the DnL forum it's explained why you don't need a payed subscription just yet. $55 right now. The FREE Subscription is a pay-to-be-gimped with a level 20 cap on things that would gimp you even further. The subscription is not FREE. Its a PAID for 'credits" which are then used in game to help you gimp yourself. You dont need a paid subscription yet because you pay for the first month in the upfront price of the game.
What you're saying here is complete BS. There is no level cap on a free subscription. REad the fine print ---- SXP is capped at level 20. other caps apply,. Its in the ****tiny teeny writing at the bottom.
Don't spread untruths: readthis announcement about the subscriptions. Every time you buy a free subscription pack, 15 credits are added, which you then can use to unlock a kingdom, or equip ELITE items. about the subscriptions. Every time you buy a free subscription pack, 15 credits are added, which you then can use to unlock a kingdom, or equip ELITE items.
Look what you just wrote : EVery time you BUY a free subscription. What the hell is free if you are paying for it???? You PAY for the credits!!!! WHATS FREE? You can use them to equip CERTAIN armor, CERTAIN services, CERTAIN areas, and very very few privledges, and are even needed to repair and cant be ata certain pt or some crap like that. Essentially gimping yourself. Its not hard to understand. Read the entire thing, including the **fine print.
Since these kinds of items are not crafted yet, there is no need.
So why buy?
As for the social positions (guildleader,fortleader, holdingleader) it's a choice.
So why buy?
I don't need to be one of those just yet. Combined it gives me plenty of time to await what will be done with DnL at NO EXTRA cost.
At NO EXTRA COST except for the PURCHASE of the credits so you can play for FREE and be a gimp. Its FREE but you gotta BUY IT FIRST.
I'm pioneer, so I get 2 months and have played SoG from the start, having fun. It's worth to me.
I thot you just bought this game today?
I think most of these people here are annoyed and trying to undermine a growing game with a lot of potential. It just needs some more time.
Most of the people here have been disgusted by what Farlan has provided for the well earned cash. People are annoyed because it isnt anywhere near an acceptable release. People are annoyed because the game isnt what was promised. People are annoyed because the promises dont mean much. Paying for the 'time" this game needs is ridiculous. People are annoyed because they did not expect to be paying for an alpha/beta stage game. People are annoyed because of the treatment of the customers. Expecting people to PAY for an alpha/beta stage game at release is extremely annoying.
Let me get something straight. I'm not so overly enthousiastic how the game currently is. It definately needs more fixing. But that WAS AN INFORMED CHANCE WHEN YOU PRE-PAID: everyone who did took a gamble on this hyped game.
Hardly. Would you like to see what the sales pitch was? Would you like to sit and count the times the pioneers were told "at launch". Would you like to review what was promised the pioneers and compare it to what they did get at "launch". Would you like to go over each and every promise they made in order to make you want to purchase this game? Would you like to go over each and every shill planted bs post and review this game has done in order to get more ppl to pay? I dont think either one of us have time. No one and I mean no one was INFORMED AT THE TIME OF PURCHASE this would be an incomplete and horrible game to play.
Final. Nothing less, nothing more. I accepted that gamble when I got my pioneer account. So far, I don't regret it: played SoG with friends from SWG, they are still here too and so am I. We like things other people cannot understand. Read forums.swgranger.com for a change, section DnL.... story about one of us who completely got lost in the game (in a good sense). To conclude: it was a choice everyone MADE. It could be worse, like no game at all... ]
No one and I mean NO ONE made the choice at the time of purchase to essentially be an alpha/beta tester while paying the company for the privledge of testing their unfinished and horrid game. Pioneer or not. Period.
Compare THAT situation with the SMED SOE pulled when they forced down the NGE down people's throats after bait & switch of Trials of Obi-wan... That's in my opinion a complete lack of ethics; let alone how to treat customers.
Yeha pretty shitty so I guess a complete farce of a "game" that drew ppl in on empty promises, tried to keep their money (until they found out the legalities of that move) and now wish to silence any who speak against it (GESTAPO!) is okay right? Since SWG did this,.........
I wonder with THAT game, why I payed what I did for a good game, to a beta game to see it end up as an ALPHA game, with all the broken promises (much more broken promises then Farlan/AD if I may say so). With SWG I HAD NO CHOICE. NOBODY SAW IT COMING.
And look how pissed and bitter you are! My my! Feels familiar for some reason.
For DnL many people saw it coming (me included), so I don't think people should complain that much. See previous paragraph again.
Most of the people here have been disgusted by what Farlan has provided for the well earned cash. People are annoyed because it isnt anywhere near an acceptable release. People are annoyed because the game isnt what was promised. People are annoyed because the promises dont mean much. Paying for the 'time" this game needs is ridiculous. People are annoyed because they did not expect to be paying for an alpha/beta stage game. People are annoyed because of the treatment of the customers. Expecting people to PAY for an alpha/beta stage game at release is extremely annoying.
Let me get something straight. I'm not so overly enthousiastic how the game currently is. It definately needs more fixing. But that WAS AN INFORMED CHANCE WHEN YOU PRE-PAID: everyone who did took a gamble on this hyped game.
Hardly. Would you like to see what the sales pitch was? Would you like to sit and count the times the pioneers were told "at launch". Would you like to review what was promised the pioneers and compare it to what they did get at "launch". Would you like to go over each and every promise they made in order to make you want to purchase this game? Would you like to go over each and every shill planted bs post and review this game has done in order to get more ppl to pay? I dont think either one of us have time. No one and I mean no one was INFORMED AT THE TIME OF PURCHASE this would be an incomplete and horrible game to play.
Final. Nothing less, nothing more. I accepted that gamble when I got my pioneer account. So far, I don't regret it: played SoG with friends from SWG, they are still here too and so am I. We like things other people cannot understand. Read forums.swgranger.com for a change, section DnL.... story about one of us who completely got lost in the game (in a good sense). To conclude: i
Originally posted by Avayat- Originally posted by Avayat- Originally posted by Sassiassisme
Originally posted by Avayat- What I don't get is, why not buy this game?
I can come up with only a few answers: 1. It's not WoW-like: no easy kill-loot-rinse-repeat game. There are tactics involved and brains.
but combat and animation is incredibly awkward, clumsy , choppy, so pretty much use your brain to figure out that the developers have dropped the ball.
Uhm... I wouldnt say much, but I've seen worse animations. Right now, even SWG springs to mind. That's Benny Hill on crack and giving me nausea. DnL doesnt give me nausea. But I agree. It could be a bit more fluent. It doesn't take away that to kill opponents, even PvP you need some brain instead of click/target lock and keep mouse button down for the attacks or use default attack.
Oh man tell the truth for xrist sakes. The camera itself makes it feel as tho you are on a leaky lifeboat in the Perfect Storm. Take some dramimine before you enter this game.
Maybe that is your experience. It's not my experience. End of discussion. No need to take any chemicals.
Fluency in motion does in fact take away the combat issue. Couple that with the whole schematic and you have a complete and utter high school first semester combat system triple that with the stats bars not working and the lag going on and guess what> you get dead or the mob is dead and you dont know how.
Again, your experience not mine. The times I died was because I was overrun by mobs (or getting ganked) being on my own. Otherwise I DONT DIE, because I know how to play tactical. Final. End of discussion.
Everyone has his own playstyle. I can overlook graphic problems because to me, those are NOT on top of my list what I look for in a game. Others might tho.. /shrug
Welll, I for one, when Im playing a 'hard core" mmo, I expect damn near perfect graphics along with damn near perfect animation while in combat. Otherwise you are essentially doing nothing. Skills are off because the animation is off, the UI is forked up and the AI on the mob is completely insane and the other pvp'er is in the same boat as you, wondering what the hell just happened and did the friggin work?
oh and yes Virginia, there are games out there like that.
Well great for you. Then go to those games and leave DnL to the people that DO like it.
2. Yes, there are issues (FPS problem for a lot, but if you read forum, there are plenty of tips how to improve; even so, it's acknowledged there is a problem and being worked on). So if you work with the community chances are high it's not even an issue anymore.
Chances are high that you will have to change many configurations within your computer system, download older drivers for your card, remove any virus scan program and/or Defender program, remove your firewall, delete some files and you may just have your "workaround". Many of the "help" recieved from the fanbois are throw it in the air and pray it works. This process will in fact cause many problems for you when you are NOT playing the game and you have to change everything you did change if you wish to play another game and go through it all again when you wish to play DNL again.
Well, because of the Internal Error bug I cannot log in, but I've bought a new video card last friday (which I needed anyway... the old ATI9600SE wasn't good anymore for a lot of games so I've gotten myself a GF6800GT 512Mb... With ALL options high, including AA(!) I have 6-8 FPS in town and about 10-12 outside towns.
Whoa golly my oh my!!! Batten down the hatches, we gotta a hell of a gust from your dust! OMFG. Thats acceptable to you? Even DDO averages at 35FPS on the most mundane of video cards. Get it?
I do get it, you don't. I CHOSE to use these high settings to see what DnL is CAPABLE of showing and doing. I take for granted that my FPS is lower at the moment, but still because I KNOW how to play tactics, it doesn't make such an impact on MY gameplay. If i were to play a First-Person-Shooter, then yes, I'd get as much FPS as possible. It's not necessary here. But when the time comes, I will alter my settings to get a rate of 20-25 FPS which is MORE then enough for an MMORPG. You get it now too?
For me, it's using common sense and applying logic. Nothing more.
And for just about every other mmo player its a pain in the arse since the system they have right here, right now, does just dandy in every game they play except DNL. Common sense? Ayup, makes sense to me alrighty.
Yes, clearly, because DnL is the ONLY game in existence that is doing such graphics. But apparently that is missed on a lot of people. End of discussion.
3. Yes, there are bugs (ever seen any MMO come to live (or any other software package for that matter) without any bugs/problems/issues? I haven't. Consider SWG for example: still after 2 overhauls, a 3rd is coming while there are still bugs from the BETA almost 3 years ago...
Leaving apples and oranges out of this as well as a launch that is already two years old, the bugs in this game are game play stopping bugs. Not one thing that you attempt to do is without a bug of some sort. In any action you wish to perform there is a bug that will end it. And the bugs in this game are said to be the same bugs that were in the beta for this 2 years ago.
Ok, now explain. If DnL has bugs that has two years old, SOE has bugs that are three years old, how is that comparing apples and oranges? It's the same.
Read that reply again. Thats not what was stated nor implied. If I have to explain it to you, you are hopeless in this topic.
I have. And may I return your advice?
But I dare a bet that Farlan will fix the bugs faster, especially the gamebreaking bugs then SOE will.
SOE -- so then you are saying that in each and every game SOE has bugs that absolutely stop any forward motion in anything you attempt to do? You are high man.
Little example: about 3 months ago with a patch SOE broke the Entertainer Droid modules. Fix is yet scheduled to come... (on Testcenter). Farlan had put in NPCs for quest, but got them bugged. Next patch (hours later), it was fixed.
My gawd you are clueless arent you? The druid (correct spelling btw) example is NOT a game stopping bug! The rest of the game is fine! The NPC quests are the content, they were messed up and from what I witnessed myself yesterday, some of th quests themselves are forked up!!! Those are GAME STOPPING ISSUES,.You cant STILL play the the rest of the game!!! you cant finish a quest because you dont know where to go, there is no mob yet, or the instructions are just so friggin vague its impossible to figure out what the hell you are supposed to do. Using your brain is one thing, calling down Osmosis is another. The entertainer module, if you would bother to check out the tech/dev chat about it, you would see your example is a complete and utter joke compared to the non working, nonsense that you call a NPC and quest.
And you need glasses. I never said DRUID.. I said DROID, which is correct spelling for SWG. You might watch some SWG movies, there are plenty of DROIDS in there. And it WAS a gamebreaking bug for entertainers (bands) that no longer could use their droids for accompanying musical instruments. It's the same as your quests being unable to finished which you are so hung up about. And as for quests not working, there is a LOT of other things to do. NPCs and QUESTS are NOT the only content. Players are. People ARE. Go play SWG, it's all about NPCs and Quests. Go play WoW... Groups needed for RAIDs (=quest, loot). What you fail to grasp is that to a COMBATANT toon, a non working droid might be less of a problem then a QUEST not working, whereas for the ENTERTAINER toon the not working droid is WAY worse then some QUEST that is not working, because the entertainer cannot do the quest anyway (due to combat level). So please GROW a brain before spouting your ignorance all over again. End of discussion.
4. It seems they are not working to fix things. This is a complete wrong assumption. Yesterday (monday) there were 2 patches. Compare this to other games... For a small company doing 2 patches in one day gives some idea how much effort they put in to get the most broken stuff fixed asap.
The patches provide more problems, more changes to your settings and provide for even more bugs.
As does SOE with their patches... So what's the point? Yet, Farlan fixes the things they break faster then SOE does (see above).
Yeha, see above. I dont believe SOEs have ever caused me to reconfigure my system alll over again and delete this file and move this file and rename this file and backup my system and take off my security programs. Thats the difference.
Several times, after RoTW... I needed to delete files (a number of them), because with any other means SWG would NOT work for me. And I wasn't the only one. Deleteing those files cause a download that took a few minutes on cable connection, but about 30m-1hr on dialup (for those who were experiencing the same problems). So again, don't judge on what you DONT know. End of discussion
5. Feedback is slow. I admit that. But eventually there *is* feedback... Compare to a big company like SOE: what communication? Again apples and oranges. Feedback here is nonexistent or from someone other than a game tech. I personally have had no problems with SOE in other games other than SWG. I can only compare to SOE-SWG. CSR and dev feedback is/was completely non-existing.
First off, this game isnt in the same league with the same amount of players vs csr reps so that can hardly be a comparable. Secondly, it would appear that your experience is mainly one of SWG only. I suggest you play a few more games in order to see the "general" view of "most" games. And again, I personally have never had any problems whatsoever in csr in any SOE game. I am not saying I happen to like nor currently play all their games but I have at least attempted them. I currently have accounts in two of their games and I have had no problems at all.
SWG is my most recent experience. I've been in Shadowbane, WoW (trial only), DDO shortly, EVE and before that I cannot remember. Because it didn't leave any impression to remember. As for your experience with SOE CSRs: good for you. But for you ten others that haven't had good experiences with CSRs.
Even worse CSR have no clue about how to fix things and you get canned response. Again compared to DnL/AD IG, /gmHelp and email support is way better then SOE/SWG. Even on forum, there is more feedback then on SOE forums: DnL forum moderators are actually supplying info. Devs on SOE forums give canned answers.
The Devs are the mods in DNLf orums. The Mods at SWG forums are just that. Volunteer mods. I have never had a problem with contacting and interfacing with CSR in any of the SOE games, what is it now 4 games? And yes I have seen Devs in game in all the SOEs as well as DNL. I have just never seen a Dev hunting down a bug in the live server. They usually have the good graces to keep that on the test servers. The Devs I have seen in DNL have responded in a rude and callous manner the one and only time I asked for help from them.He pretty much told me my problem is my own and he couldnt help me "any further".
Wrong again. The devs are NOT the mods in the DNL forums. When I confronted a DnL forummod, I was told that they are only forum moderators and maintainers and have no influence on what the devs do or don't do. Get your facts straight before spouting them. As for experience in DnL with a dev, I cannot compare. I've never met a Dev in game neither in DnL nor SWG.
As far as the fans helping players, that happens in any game, It is not unusual at all. Unless of course you are a total azzzhole then nobody will help you and that too is in every game you play. So your experience differs quite a bit, in polars, to mine. Problem is ..there are 100's that feel that feel the same I do. You are the minority. And since you insist on plastering your shill here , you are also in the minority here.
Again I'm being called a shill... Humorous... Keep thinking that. Maybe I should contact Farlan/AD to get some money out of this. LOL Ow and:
Again, it comes down to personal experiences. You have good experiences with SOE's other games. I have had no good experience with SOE's SWG (support-wise, communication wise) and have found contrast in Farlan/AD.
Then you again, are in the minority of the players of DNL. Just look at the boards. Look at these boards. Look at all the other mmo site boards. You are indeed an island unto yourself.
The only reason is that I'm the only one totally not impressed by the flaming, trolling, overly negative closed minded people. I said it in another thread, I'm going to ignore those completely. And you ended up on the list as well.
It's an initial price of about 50$ isn't it (I'm pioneer, so I don't know what it is right now). Then you can choose for a FREE subscription... Yes... I repeat FREE... Some content won't be available, but if you read some STICKIED post on the DnL forum it's explained why you don't need a payed subscription just yet.
$55 right now. The FREE Subscription is a pay-to-be-gimped with a level 20 cap on things that would gimp you even further. The subscription is not FREE. Its a PAID for 'credits" which are then used in game to help you gimp yourself. You dont need a paid subscription yet because you pay for the first month in the upfront price of the game.
What you're saying here is complete BS. There is no level cap on a free subscription. Don't spread untruths: read this announcement about the subscriptions. Every time you buy a free subscription pack, 15 credits are added, which you then can use to unlock a kingdom, or equip ELITE items. about the subscriptions. Every time you buy a free subscription pack, 15 credits are added, which you then can use to unlock a kingdom, or equip ELITE items.
REad the fine print ---- SXP is capped at level 20. other caps apply,. Its in the ****tiny teeny writing at the bottom.
Look what you just wrote : EVery time you BUY a free subscription. What the hell is free if you are paying for it???? You PAY for the credits!!!! WHATS FREE? You can use them to equip CERTAIN armor, CERTAIN services, CERTAIN areas, and very very few privledges, and are even needed to repair and cant be ata certain pt or some crap like that. Essentially gimping yourself. Its not hard to understand. Read the entire thing, including the **fine print.
First don't seperate the two issues. Next, I suggest you get some MAGNIFYING glass, let me help you: *** Freedom players (without subscription) won’t gain more SXP (Social XP) over level 20 and thus they cannot progress anymore on the SXP axis.
Last but not least I'd say READ it again and again. A free subscription means no monhtly fee. When you decide to purchase a FREE subscription, you get special kind of credits to be used in game. I know. Reading is hard. End of discussion
Since these kinds of items are not crafted yet, there is no need.
So why buy?
As I said, choose one time for Free subscription. Then there are no furter costs until it's needed.
As for the social positions (guildleader,fortleader, holdingleader) it's a choice.
So why buy?
See above.
I don't need to be one of those just yet. Combined it gives me plenty of time to await what will be done with DnL at NO EXTRA cost.
At NO EXTRA COST except for the PURCHASE of the credits so you can play for FREE and be a gimp. Its FREE but you gotta BUY IT FIRST.
What is your problem? When you initial buy the game, you have to choose the subscription. Then you don't need to change the subscription. Again, Reading is an art. And you haven't mastered that art.
I'm pioneer, so I get 2 months and have played SoG from the start, having fun. It's worth to me.
I thot you just bought this game today?
Who gave you that impression? I never did. Said times and times over I'm a pioneer. Again... Reading is an art.
I think most of these people here are annoyed and trying to undermine a growing game with a lot of potential. It just needs some more time.
Most of the people here have been disgusted by what Farlan has provided for the well earned cash. People are annoyed because it isnt anywhere near an acceptable release. People are annoyed because the game isnt what was promised. People are annoyed because the promises dont mean much. Paying for the 'time" this game needs is ridiculous. People are annoyed because they did not expect to be paying for an alpha/beta stage game. People are annoyed because of the treatment of the customers. Expecting people to PAY for an alpha/beta stage game at release is extremely annoying.
Let me get something straight. I'm not so overly enthousiastic how the game currently is. It definately needs more fixing. But that WAS AN INFORMED CHANCE WHEN YOU PRE-PAID: everyone who did took a gamble on this hyped game.
Hardly. Would you like to see what the sales pitch was? Would you like to sit and count the times the pioneers were told "at launch". Would you like to review what was promised the pioneers and compare it to what they did get at "launch". Would you like to go over each and every promise they made in order to make you want to purchase this game? Would you like to go over each and every shill planted bs post and review this game has done in order to get more ppl to pay? I dont think either one of us have time. No one and I mean no one was INFORMED AT THE TIME OF PURCHASE this would be an incomplete and horrible game to play.
ROFL... You're talking to a pioneer. Now read your own paragraph again.
Final. Nothing less, nothing more. I accepted that gamble when I got my pioneer account. So far, I don't regret it: played SoG with friends from SWG, they are still here too and so am I. We like things other people cannot understand. Read forums.swgranger.com for a change, section DnL.... story about one of us who completely got lost in the game (in a good sense). To conclude: it was a choice everyone MADE. It could be worse, like no game at all... ]
No one and I mean NO ONE made the choice at the time of purchase to essentially be an alpha/beta tester while paying the company for the privledge of testing their unfinished and horrid game. Pioneer or not. Period.
That's your opinion. I disagree. You did choose. And it was clearly pointed out and discussed as well. End of discussion.
Compare THAT situation with the SMED SOE pulled when they forced down the NGE down people's throats after bait & switch of Trials of Obi-wan... That's in my opinion a complete lack of ethics; let alone how to treat customers.
Yeha pretty shitty so I guess a complete farce of a "game" that drew ppl in on empty promises, tried to keep their money (until they found out the legalities of that move) and now wish to silence any who speak against it (GESTAPO!) is okay right? Since SWG did this,.........
As you and your fellow negative narrow minded people have said, a lot saw it coming... No one of the player base saw the NGE coming. I don't know, but SOE is in that point of view worse then the gestapo.
I wonder with THAT game, why I payed what I did for a good game, to a beta game to see it end up as an ALPHA game, with all the broken promises (much more broken promises then Farlan/AD if I may say so). With SWG I HAD NO CHOICE. NOBODY SAW IT COMING.
And look how pissed and bitter you are! My my! Feels familiar for some reason.
Not with the game, with the suits, management behind it. So far I've not had that kind of PERSONAL (to emphasize it once again) experience with Farlan/AD.
I repeat again: it's in the eye of the beholder. I think SWG-NGE is worse then DnL. And I have my reasons for that. DnL might not cut it, but that's something time will tell, especially when other games are released. Until then, I will have fun in DnL.
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Overall, SWG has this game hands down. AGain , not many playing it now due to the NGE crap but that is something that Farlan should have reflected long and hard on before releasing what they did and before continuing the bs being spewed about the "potential" The potential has been there for 7yrs, we havent seen even a small fraction of the potential becoming tangible all this time. But the other games have already got the core mechanics down on the next releases. DNL will be eating dust in their 10-15fp and thier broken game.
Time will tell. Might be, might not be. For me, it's too early to tell.
But seeing that you and your fellow "conspirators" are on a crusade to crush DnL, I'm going to walk away from this fruitless and pointless discussions since our Point of Views are completely opposite.
"Lastly before you bash them into the ground ask yourself, can you right now make a better game?"
consumers don't make games.. they just buy them.
"2. Yes, there are issues (FPS problem for a lot, but if you read forum, there are plenty of tips how to improve; even so, it's acknowledged there is a problem and being worked on)."
Shouldnt that be worked on before it's launched?
I'll tell you exactly what the problem of this game was/is. The developers bit off WAY MORE than they could ever chew. Rather than making a small mmo that had just a few nich features that worked great they tried to make "the biggest mmo ever" and compete with the big boys on their first game.
I have been trolling this forum for about 3 days now and watched the fights over a game that lets just face it not going to cut the mustard. Here's why:
1.As of the first week this game has received the worst press of any games out in the market.
2.If you look at this forum everyone hates it except for like one or two people. ratio like to dislike 2/200
3.The prior poster said it consumers buy games not create them.
4.If I am giving you money I do not expect to deal with issues. Example, I buy a brand new car. Do you think I would be happy if it was broke down 50% of the time? Or I get flats on tuesday's and friday's.
5.I work hard for money and expect to get what I paid for.
6.WOW went thru similar issue's at start up but that was because millions of people were trying to play and they did not expect that kind of a volume. they eventually got it figured out. This is not the case here. IT is purely designer errors.
7. This game is going to get killed with the likes of Warhammer, age of conan, pirates of the burning sea, Vangaurd,star trek online, LOR.
My two cents is if you look at it as a filler then yq go ahead because right now nothing is out but come fall watch as this games dwindles away to nothing.
Originally posted by Avayat- What I don't get is, why not buy this game?
I can come up with only a few answers: 1. It's not WoW-like: no easy kill-loot-rinse-repeat game. There are tactics involved and brains.
but combat and animation is incredibly awkward, clumsy , choppy, so pretty much use your brain to figure out that the developers have dropped the ball.
Uhm... I wouldnt say much, but I've seen worse animations. Right now, even SWG springs to mind. That's Benny Hill on crack and giving me nausea. DnL doesnt give me nausea. But I agree. It could be a bit more fluent. It doesn't take away that to kill opponents, even PvP you need some brain instead of click/target lock and keep mouse button down for the attacks or use default attack.
Everyone has his own playstyle. I can overlook graphic problems because to me, those are NOT on top of my list what I look for in a game. Others might tho.. /shrug
2. Yes, there are issues (FPS problem for a lot, but if you read forum, there are plenty of tips how to improve; even so, it's acknowledged there is a problem and being worked on). So if you work with the community chances are high it's not even an issue anymore.
Chances are high that you will have to change many configurations within your computer system, download older drivers for your card, remove any virus scan program and/or Defender program, remove your firewall, delete some files and you may just have your "workaround". Many of the "help" recieved from the fanbois are throw it in the air and pray it works. This process will in fact cause many problems for you when you are NOT playing the game and you have to change everything you did change if you wish to play another game and go through it all again when you wish to play DNL again.
Well, because of the Internal Error bug I cannot log in, but I've bought a new video card last friday (which I needed anyway... the old ATI9600SE wasn't good anymore for a lot of games so I've gotten myself a GF6800GT 512Mb... With ALL options high, including AA(!) I have 6-8 FPS in town and about 10-12 outside towns. Again, this is full screen 1024x768 and with latest drivers from manufacturer (Asus). Not even the latest Nvidia drivers/z-optimized driver as some people suggest. To put it simply: with these settings, it looks amazing... But to get a bit more FPS next thing I'll do is turn AA off. And then watch what my FPS would be. For me, it's using common sense and applying logic. Nothing more.
3. Yes, there are bugs (ever seen any MMO come to live (or any other software package for that matter) without any bugs/problems/issues? I haven't. Consider SWG for example: still after 2 overhauls, a 3rd is coming while there are still bugs from the BETA almost 3 years ago...
Leaving apples and oranges out of this as well as a launch that is already two years old, the bugs in this game are game play stopping bugs. Not one thing that you attempt to do is without a bug of some sort. In any action you wish to perform there is a bug that will end it. And the bugs in this game are said to be the same bugs that were in the beta for this 2 years ago.
Ok, now explain. If DnL has bugs that has two years old, SOE has bugs that are three years old, how is that comparing apples and oranges? It's the same. But I dare a bet that Farlan will fix the bugs faster, especially the gamebreaking bugs then SOE will. Little example: about 3 months ago with a patch SOE broke the Entertainer Droid modules. Fix is yet scheduled to come... (on Testcenter). Farlan had put in NPCs for quest, but got them bugged. Next patch (hours later), it was fixed.
4. It seems they are not working to fix things. This is a complete wrong assumption. Yesterday (monday) there were 2 patches. Compare this to other games... For a small company doing 2 patches in one day gives some idea how much effort they put in to get the most broken stuff fixed asap. The patches provide more problems, more changes to your settings and provide for even more bugs. As does SOE with their patches... So what's the point? Yet, Farlan fixes the things they break faster then SOE does (see above). 5. Feedback is slow. I admit that. But eventually there *is* feedback... Compare to a big company like SOE: what communication?
Again apples and oranges. Feedback here is nonexistent or from someone other than a game tech. I personally have had no problems with SOE in other games other than SWG.
I can only compare to SOE-SWG. CSR and dev feedback is/was completely non-existing. Even worse CSR have no clue about how to fix things and you get canned response. Again compared to DnL/AD IG, /gmHelp and email support is way better then SOE/SWG. Even on forum, there is more feedback then on SOE forums: DnL forum moderators are actually supplying info. Devs on SOE forums give canned answers.
Again, it comes down to personal experiences. You have good experiences with SOE's other games. I have had no good experience with SOE's SWG (support-wise, communication wise) and have found contrast in Farlan/AD.
It's an initial price of about 50$ isn't it (I'm pioneer, so I don't know what it is right now). Then you can choose for a FREE subscription... Yes... I repeat FREE... Some content won't be available, but if you read some STICKIED post on the DnL forum it's explained why you don't need a payed subscription just yet.
$55 right now. The FREE Subscription is a pay-to-be-gimped with a level 20 cap on things that would gimp you even further. The subscription is not FREE. Its a PAID for 'credits" which are then used in game to help you gimp yourself. You dont need a paid subscription yet because you pay for the first month in the upfront price of the game.
What you're saying here is complete BS. There is no level cap on a free subscription. Don't spread untruths: readthis announcement about the subscriptions. Every time you buy a free subscription pack, 15 credits are added, which you then can use to unlock a kingdom, or equip ELITE items. Since these kinds of items are not crafted yet, there is no need. As for the social positions (guildleader,fortleader, holdingleader) it's a choice. I don't need to be one of those just yet. Combined it gives me plenty of time to await what will be done with DnL at NO EXTRA cost. I'm pioneer, so I get 2 months and have played SoG from the start, having fun. It's worth to me.
I think most of these people here are annoyed and trying to undermine a growing game with a lot of potential. It just needs some more time.
Most of the people here have been disgusted by what Farlan has provided for the well earned cash. People are annoyed because it isnt anywhere near an acceptable release. People are annoyed because the game isnt what was promised. People are annoyed because the promises dont mean much. Paying for the 'time" this game needs is ridiculous. People are annoyed because they did not expect to be paying for an alpha/beta stage game. People are annoyed because of the treatment of the customers. Expecting people to PAY for an alpha/beta stage game at release is extremely annoying.
Let me get something straight. I'm not so overly enthousiastic how the game currently is. It definately needs more fixing. But that WAS AN INFORMED CHANCE WHEN YOU PRE-PAID: everyone who did took a gamble on this hyped game. Final. Nothing less, nothing more. I accepted that gamble when I got my pioneer account. So far, I don't regret it: played SoG with friends from SWG, they are still here too and so am I. We like things other people cannot understand. Read forums.swgranger.com for a change, section DnL.... story about one of us who completely got lost in the game (in a good sense). To conclude: it was a choice everyone MADE. It could be worse, like no game at all...
Compare THAT situation with the SMED SOE pulled when they forced down the NGE down people's throats after bait & switch of Trials of Obi-wan... That's in my opinion a complete lack of ethics; let alone how to treat customers. I wonder with THAT game, why I payed what I did for a good game, to a beta game to see it end up as an ALPHA game, with all the broken promises (much more broken promises then Farlan/AD if I may say so). With SWG I HAD NO CHOICE. NOBODY SAW IT COMING. For DnL many people saw it coming (me included), so I don't think people should complain that much. See previous paragraph again.
Personally, this game has more content and depth then WoW/SWG and GW combined! It might be topped only by EVE 2nd Genesis by complexity.
Completely untrue. There is hardly any content at all. WOW and SWG may not have had a smooth max 100 players launch, tens of thousands were logging into those games on release day, it was for certain filled with content. Enough to keep the players going while they fixed the "usual" bugs. The content was fun. The gameplay was fun. DNL Is not fun. Complexity seems to be mostly in the development of the game play for DNL and not the game itself. More games coming out will blow this game to dust.
Again, fun is in the eye of the beholder. There are many people in DnL havig fun. There are people not having fun. Same was for launches of SWG, WoW, GW and whatever MMO you can think of. As for SWG-launch: first day didn't work. DnLs launch DID work the first day. Just a minor detail. As for games coming out blowing DnL away... well might be. Probably will... Looking ahead for LoTRo and STO myself. But those games are not here yet. DnL is and DnL gives me MORE satisfaction because of it's complexity in gameplay (no, I don't mean bugs, but the possibilities) then any other game outthere yet.
No matter how you turn it, this game is the worst game in the market today. I dismissed the hateboi and flame posts and I am now sorry for that. What they are saying is true. You dont need two months, three months, five months to figure out this game is horrible to both your computer as well as your pocket. Dont waste your time or money.
I repeat again: it's in the eye of the beholder. I think SWG-NGE is worse then DnL. And I have my reasons for that. DnL might not cut it, but that's something time will tell, especially when other games are released. Until then, I will have fun in DnL.
Originally posted by Dabble Sorry, but I am sure this Avayat has been employed to post here for damage control. Sure he has said he has had problems with the game. Otherwise it wouldn't be a beliveable rouse. Please do not pay attention to this poster. He is obviously shilling for the game. The reason why I look through the various forums on this site is the same reason, I am sure, many of you do too. To get other people impressions about the available and up-coming games. These shills are hurting the community here. It is important for these forums to help us all with purchasing decisions and to get an idea of what is good and bad out there. Shills like Avayat can potentially ruin the community here. Please don't give them any credence.
Aah so nobody is allowed to have a viewpoint different to yours ? and if they do they are a shill?
Glad you don't run anything i'm interested in since your're the only ony that can have a valid viewpoint.
Originally posted by Dabble Far all I know the firm that is paying you to post here isn't connect to Farlan/AD. Just stop with the deception and leave our forums.
Says the person who joined march '06 compared to the person who joined in 04' , you don't speak for me, everyone has a right to their opinion and to state it, yet you seem to keep wanting to shout everyone down that doesn't agree with your view. TBH the forum would be better off without you and your like who bring nothing NOTHING to a discussion except the infantile behaviour that is better back on the WoW forums which it seems like is more your home content level.
Originally posted by Parsifal57 Says the person who joined march '06 compared to the person who joined in 04' , many ppl have different join dates. Many followed the game from way back, only becoming a member when they tried the game. The dates have no revelancy. you don't speak for me, everyone has a right to their opinion and to state it, yet you seem to keep wanting to shout everyone down that doesn't agree with your view. TBH the forum would be better off without you and your like who bring nothing NOTHING to a discussion except the infantile behaviour that is better back on the WoW forums which it seems like is more your home content level. and your post is any different? Why is it that the only time you see "you dont like it, leave" comments is when the DNL fanbois attack?
DNL Fans UNITE! The attack must begin!!! We will be victorious! We will halt the march of the hatebois one and all! For all that is holy and just, the followers of DNL will defend the almighty POTENTIAL with hate, abuse, harrassment, disparity, censorship, insults, lies, and mayhem! We will declare a sacred ground, where no other than the loyal fans of the Almighty POTENTIALl may enter. Let no one who is deemed undesirable and does not follow the ways of the Almighty Potential be damned to the lowest of hell from whence they came! Let one dare speak against the ALmighty POTENTIAL lest he desires the wrath of decapitation in the name of the ALmighty POTENTIAL! Thus DNL has spoken. Thus it shall be done. LONG LIVE THE ALMIGHTY POTENTIAL!
Originally posted by Cholayna DNL Fans UNITE! The attack must begin!!! We will be victorious! We will halt the march of the hatebois one and all! For all that is holy and just, the followers of DNL will defend the almighty POTENTIAL with hate, abuse, harrassment, disparity, censorship, insults, lies, and mayhem! We will declare a sacred ground, where no other than the loyal fans of the Almighty POTENTIALl may enter. Let no one who is deemed undesirable and does not follow the ways of the Almighty Potential be damned to the lowest of hell from whence they came! Let one dare speak against the ALmighty POTENTIAL lest he desires the wrath of decapitation in the name of the ALmighty POTENTIAL! Thus DNL has spoken. Thus it shall be done. LONG LIVE THE ALMIGHTY POTENTIAL!
C'mon, your giving this section of the forum a bad name...you're scaring people.
Originally posted by Anageth Originally posted by Cholayna DNL Fans UNITE! The attack must begin!!! We will be victorious! We will halt the march of the hatebois one and all! For all that is holy and just, the followers of DNL will defend the almighty POTENTIAL with hate, abuse, harrassment, disparity, censorship, insults, lies, and mayhem! We will declare a sacred ground, where no other than the loyal fans of the Almighty POTENTIALl may enter. Let no one who is deemed undesirable and does not follow the ways of the Almighty Potential be damned to the lowest of hell from whence they came! Let one dare speak against the ALmighty POTENTIAL lest he desires the wrath of decapitation in the name of the ALmighty POTENTIAL! Thus DNL has spoken. Thus it shall be done. LONG LIVE THE ALMIGHTY POTENTIAL!
C'mon, your giving this section of the forum a bad name...you're scaring people.
LOL Welllll dang, thats exactly the way it feels especially with the 'energy on the attack at mmorpg.com" comment. LOL
I'd like to make a statement concerning the ramblings of Avayat. All through your lengthy comments, the only thing you seem to be able to compare DnL to is SWG. Now, I find the mess that SOE made with SWG as deplorable as anyone else, but if I'm not mistaken people were happy with the game at launch for the most part. It didn't become flamebait until after they decided to do everything that the players aked them not to do. From what I see, DnL can't get things to work whether the players want 'em or not after years of *ahem* development. My problem with your posts however lies in the fact that this seems to be the only game you seem to be able to compare DnL to in order to justify DnL being a worthwhile game to play. I am therefore convinced, and you may prove me wrong if you can, that you have a very limited playing experience in the realm of mmorpg's. It would therefore seem to me that any points you make in defence of, or even against, DnL are in fact moot compared to those of us that have been playing these games for many, many years and know what we are to expect from any mmo worth its salt at launch or anywhere before and after. Alot of us have been here from the days of UO's first beckoning call to our imagination. We know that no game is perfect at launch. We know that there will always be a need to hunt down a few bugs in a game at the start. We also know that any mmo where you have to HUNT DOWN THE GAME IN THE BUGS is totally assinine and an insult to our intelligence as customers. So please, when you can actually show an amount of experience with mmo's warranting credibility to your opinions of what is good and what is not, please do not expect us to hold any value when you try to hold up a turd as a rose. And, as always, this is just my opinion and you may take it anyway you like. I really am not flaming you, I am just stating what I have garnered from what you have shown in your time here.
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Remember that episode in The Simpons where the dog was digging holes and whatnot in the backyard, and so Homer goes out and yells at the dog, something like:
"You're not a good boy! You can't dig holes or we'll take you to the pound! Bad dog, no food for you!!"
and the dog sits there happily cos all he heard was:
"You're blah a good boy! Blah blah dig holes blah blah blah blah blah! Blah dog, blah food for you!!" selectively hearing the parts he wants to hear.
Well you're ten times worse.
The servers could literally be falling to pieces around you, the world tearing and smouldering into ruins, people permanently locked out if they get booted, yet you'd still see "the potential" in it.
And to pre-empt your question, no, I do not give a living shit what you like or dislike in a game.
What I DO HATE is the fact that these incompetent fools are 'releasing' a game that is so phenomenally and completely atrocious that it's putting a major slur on our genre.
These idiots at Farlan are effectively turning our genre into a laughing stock with this release.
These tools are effectively doing everything they can to say "Hey, it's ok to release half finished and unrealised products, barely playable and completely unstable!" as a benchmark for other 'small' Developers.
It's apparently ok to just go ahead and release whatever you have available at the time, charging more than what a lot of REAL companies are charging, for a product not even remotely similar value for money.
And I just love all these one post bandits surfacing on MMO sites posting in defense of this game, especially the ones who create an account just to start a thread. I wonder how many times those threads are repeated on other MMO sites word for word.
Roll out the Fanboi Fanatical Dev Inspired PR & Propaganda Machine!
In short, there needs to be a way to sue these completely incompetent juvenile-wannabe-bigboys for sending our genre into disrepute to send out a clear signal so this complete travesty of a production-type is not repeated.
There needs to be a way to stop productions like this steaming pile of crap, and Mourning etc, from tarnishing our beloved genre.
I feel a war brewing dammit!
Viva la revofuckinglution.
Ummm, I was saying AO was better than DnL would ever be. How are people misreading that that to think I support DnL?
I got a game that is better right now.
sitting and doing absolutely nothing
graphics are much better.
I DO have proof I'm not working for Farlan/AD as I'm willing to supply my REAL NAME and stuff to MMORPG so they can contact Farlan/AD only to find out that Farlan/AD have never heard of the REAL ME!
There you go.
You sir, are a complete idiot, and are completely unworthy listening to. I'm just glad that *some* people, unfortunately the minority, are more mature and are able to keep a normal discussion going instead of throwing out completely untruths and acusations just based on their own opinions.
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Being a settler account? -> I'm not sure how much it did cost when you bought it (never bothered to look at it), but you also got to play SoG for over half a year, have 1 month in DnL, goths and a Gryphon which is faster then the pioneer dragon. So as with the Pioneer account I don't get it.
A normal account -> Which were only recently opened up? Then you didn't read reviews and went ahead.
Your comparison holds no grounds. You made the choice to pay for these types of account.
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Far all I know the firm that is paying you to post here isn't connect to Farlan/AD.
Just stop with the deception and leave our forums.
Reported for personal attack.
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Originally posted by Avayat-
Originally posted by Avayat-
Originally posted by Sassiassisme
Originally posted by Avayat-
What I don't get is, why not buy this game?
I can come up with only a few answers:
1. It's not WoW-like: no easy kill-loot-rinse-repeat game. There are tactics involved and brains.
but combat and animation is incredibly awkward, clumsy , choppy, so pretty much use your brain to figure out that the developers have dropped the ball.
Uhm... I wouldnt say much, but I've seen worse animations. Right now, even SWG springs to mind. That's Benny Hill on crack and giving me nausea. DnL doesnt give me nausea. But I agree. It could be a bit more fluent. It doesn't take away that to kill opponents, even PvP you need some brain instead of click/target lock and keep mouse button down for the attacks or use default attack.
Oh man tell the truth for xrist sakes. The camera itself makes it feel as tho you are on a leaky lifeboat in the Perfect Storm. Take some dramimine before you enter this game.
Fluency in motion does in fact take away the combat issue. Couple that with the whole schematic and you have a complete and utter high school first semester combat system triple that with the stats bars not working and the lag going on and guess what> you get dead or the mob is dead and you dont know how.
Everyone has his own playstyle. I can overlook graphic problems because to me, those are NOT on top of my list what I look for in a game. Others might tho.. /shrug
Careful Chola.
Don't want to be reported.
I repeat again: it's in the eye of the beholder. I think SWG-NGE is worse then DnL. And I have my reasons for that. DnL might not cut it, but that's something time will tell, especially when other games are released. Until then, I will have fun in DnL.
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Overall, SWG has this game hands down. AGain , not many playing it now due to the NGE crap but that is something that Farlan should have reflected long and hard on before releasing what they did and before continuing the bs being spewed about the "potential" The potential has been there for 7yrs, we havent seen even a small fraction of the potential becoming tangible all this time. But the other games have already got the core mechanics down on the next releases. DNL will be eating dust in their 10-15fp and thier broken game.
Time will tell. Might be, might not be. For me, it's too early to tell.
But seeing that you and your fellow "conspirators" are on a crusade to crush DnL, I'm going to walk away from this fruitless and pointless discussions since our Point of Views are completely opposite.
Have a nice day.
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"Lastly before you bash them into the ground ask yourself, can you right now make a better game?"
consumers don't make games.. they just buy them.
"2. Yes, there are issues (FPS problem for a lot, but if you read forum, there are plenty of tips how to improve; even so, it's acknowledged there is a problem and being worked on)."
Shouldnt that be worked on before it's launched?
I'll tell you exactly what the problem of this game was/is. The developers bit off WAY MORE than they could ever chew. Rather than making a small mmo that had just a few nich features that worked great they tried to make "the biggest mmo ever" and compete with the big boys on their first game.
I have been trolling this forum for about 3 days now and watched the fights over a game that lets just face it not going to cut the mustard. Here's why:
1.As of the first week this game has received the worst press of any games out in the market.
2.If you look at this forum everyone hates it except for like one or two people. ratio like to dislike 2/200
3.The prior poster said it consumers buy games not create them.
4.If I am giving you money I do not expect to deal with issues. Example, I buy a brand new car. Do you think I would be happy if it was broke down 50% of the time? Or I get flats on tuesday's and friday's.
5.I work hard for money and expect to get what I paid for.
6.WOW went thru similar issue's at start up but that was because millions of people were trying to play and they did not expect that kind of a volume. they eventually got it figured out. This is not the case here. IT is purely designer errors.
7. This game is going to get killed with the likes of Warhammer, age of conan, pirates of the burning sea, Vangaurd,star trek online, LOR.
My two cents is if you look at it as a filler then yq go ahead because right now nothing is out but come fall watch as this games dwindles away to nothing.
I repeat again: it's in the eye of the beholder. I think SWG-NGE is worse then DnL. And I have my reasons for that. DnL might not cut it, but that's something time will tell, especially when other games are released. Until then, I will have fun in DnL.
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Glad you don't run anything i'm interested in since your're the only ony that can have a valid viewpoint.
dont worry about angelfire, its a fan from the actual dnl forums.
Thus DNL has spoken. Thus it shall be done. LONG LIVE THE ALMIGHTY POTENTIAL!
No longer visiting MMORPG.com.
LOL Welllll dang, thats exactly the way it feels especially with the 'energy on the attack at mmorpg.com" comment. LOL
I'd like to make a statement concerning the ramblings of Avayat. All through your lengthy comments, the only thing you seem to be able to compare DnL to is SWG. Now, I find the mess that SOE made with SWG as deplorable as anyone else, but if I'm not mistaken people were happy with the game at launch for the most part. It didn't become flamebait until after they decided to do everything that the players aked them not to do. From what I see, DnL can't get things to work whether the players want 'em or not after years of *ahem* development. My problem with your posts however lies in the fact that this seems to be the only game you seem to be able to compare DnL to in order to justify DnL being a worthwhile game to play. I am therefore convinced, and you may prove me wrong if you can, that you have a very limited playing experience in the realm of mmorpg's. It would therefore seem to me that any points you make in defence of, or even against, DnL are in fact moot compared to those of us that have been playing these games for many, many years and know what we are to expect from any mmo worth its salt at launch or anywhere before and after. Alot of us have been here from the days of UO's first beckoning call to our imagination. We know that no game is perfect at launch. We know that there will always be a need to hunt down a few bugs in a game at the start. We also know that any mmo where you have to HUNT DOWN THE GAME IN THE BUGS is totally assinine and an insult to our intelligence as customers. So please, when you can actually show an amount of experience with mmo's warranting credibility to your opinions of what is good and what is not, please do not expect us to hold any value when you try to hold up a turd as a rose. And, as always, this is just my opinion and you may take it anyway you like. I really am not flaming you, I am just stating what I have garnered from what you have shown in your time here.