WoW won't actually shut down for a long ass time. I mean the Battle.net servers are still open for the Warcraft RTS games.
99% of WoW players are Diablo, Starcraft, or Warcraft players (i.e. this is their first MMORPG). The low level cap and lack of end game/pvp content will help speed up burnout, but most gamers are loyal to their first love for a long time. I think WoW will hold the subscription record forever, but you really don't need 40 servers maxed out with queues to make a successful MMORPG. There will be some really good games coming out in the next few years. The WoW subscription base has shown large companies that there is money to be made in MMORPGs and they will start carving out niche markets to give us all what we want. I only worry that game companies may decide to use the same business model that they use for offline FPS and RPG games. If they go for box sales(fast cash, with burnout and buy a new game every six months) instead of long term subscriptions then MMORPG players will be SOoL.
BTW WoW is a horrible MMORPG. I just came to this forum on a whim. It's PvP is pointless, and it's PvE is repetitive and shallow. Oh yeah, and the community is more infested with obnoxious assholes than any game i have played. If you think this is a great game, you should try out any other MMORPG.
Originally posted by Dabble I've seen so many of you nice people posting how WoW isn't innovative, fun at 60, etc., etc..........
Ok then.
What do you all think will be the new break through WoW killer? Imho, I think that Age of Conan looks extremely innovative and could be the one.
Age of Conan does look really good. Gods & Heroes and Tabula Rasa also look really good.
I think that these games will start to pick up WoW's churn (people who played WoW and have left because WoW's endgame is only for hardcore uber guild players) - and some of them will probably be huge successes with over a million subscribers - but all of them are niche in some way, and even though they look awesome, none of them are contenders to replace WoW as king of the MMO hill.
AoC - Mature-rating - definitely cool, but they'll never get families that play together or teenagers.
Gods & Heroes - This one is looking amazing, with an innovative new minion system, visceral combat animations, and a historic/mythological setting. However, people just aren't into mythology. . . you don't see MythCon's with people cosplaying as Medusa and Hercules. This one has the most potential for success as a game design (innovative and interesting - lead designer is Stieg Hedlund, creater of Diablo, Diablo II, and Starcraft) - but has poor potential in it's concept.
Tabula Rasa - This looks very fun, innovative, and interesting. However, it is a sci-fi setting and some twitch skills will be required for this MMORPG/FPS. That makes the potential audience both broader in some ways and narrower in others.
These will all be successful in spite of WoW remaining industry dominant.
However, Warhammer could - if they deliver on the Realm vs. Realm PvP and make a great game - be a real competitor for WoW. . . though it won't "kill" it. Expect WoW to be around in some form for the next ten years. However, someday, some game will beat it, and that may just be one of the above titles.
I think WAR will take the biggest chunk out of the MMO market in general. Warhammer is a 25 year old franchise and has a very large fanbase from previous games and the tabletop miniature game which is the most popular in the world. They have Warhammer fans and DAoC fans backing them along with the newcomers to Mythic or GamesWorkshop who just want a solid MMO with the feeling that "War is everywhere" and PvP(RvR) will never feel like an afterthought. In Warhammer you don't have to PvE one day of your life if you don't want to as you gain XP and gear drops (not the actual player's equipment) from PvP and the same goes with you don't have to PvP if you don't want to. You can do either for the full game or mix it up if you like, it's entirely up to the player and I think that is what everyone in the genre has been wanting. The game will never feel like a grind and you won't be rushing to hit the top because the game will be fun from level 1 to the end. If any game can compete with the 500lb gorilla that is WoW, it's WAR.
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Originally posted by Navonod_7 I think STO will kill WoW. But that is just my opinion. STO is very anticipated, and there are a lot of Star Trek fans out there. I know that WoW isn't going to die anytime soon, but it will by the STO comes out if a few years. Me after this post and all you WoW fans get to me
I'd say more like 5 years maybe? But yeah, I'd check that out fo sho.
I wouldn't even give wow that long with all of the new games that are coming out that are attacking WoW's weaknesses. I'd say if WoW doesn't change it has 2 years maybe 3 at the most before it dies.
Originally posted by Fenrir767 I'd say if WoW doesn't change it has 2 years maybe 3 at the most before it dies.
Haha...dream on hateboi. I don't play it, not really my thing. But man, you extreme haters try too hard sometimes. EQ has been going what, 7 years? That game maxed out at a fraction of the subscriptions WOW has. Why the hell would they change too much? They've obviously done something right. Certainly no game in the forseeable future will ever come close to those subscription numbers. Might be a sad statement, but I believe it to be true.
It's not going anywhere for years. Even if it starts hemmoraging customers tommorrow, it would take a long time to go down below 10-50K subscribers (which seems to be around the floor for one of these games to be viable). And based on PC game sales charts (and the rate at which new servers are being opened), the popularity of the game is rising (or at least steady) currently.
The only game that may (imo) get more subs than PC WoW, would be WoW on the PS3 (still only a rumor currently). Sad, but true.
I don't want to write this, and you don't want to read it. But now it's too late for both of us.
I'll try DnL. Its a game that try to return to the "old ages" of UO and SWG pre-NGE. I want to play a complex game, no more farming or stay in a closed instance 24x7.
You may think that my 2 to 3 years is not reaseonable but look at all the games coming out now and the amount of people that are leaving WoW or are getting fed up of it. Reports say they pushed back the Burning Crusade to work on getting some good non raid content in there which is awesome. If they can pull that off then I think WoW will last a lot longer if the game stays Raiders Paradise don't expect it to last as long as it could.
Honestly, I think WoW will end up being the WoW killer, not any other game on the horizon. The game is designed to eventually wear you out of it. Once that happens, people have a tendency to just leave. There really isn't anything else out on the market that can replace it (it is a groundbreaking game in its own way as it is fun, even if it really doesn't do anything new). But after a point, it becomes the same grind over and over again.
I really wish there was some great game on the horizon, but they're all pretty much the same thing, although they all claim to be ground-breaking and 50th generation, or whatever. They're all pretty much the same cookie cutter EQ/WoW/UO/Eve clone with a few bells and whistles that sound different.
In my humble opinon WAR will deffintly overcome WOW. ALot of ex-DAoC players moved to WOW but, because ofthe lack of new content and expansions WOW will die in slue of the new content rich game being deved by the GODS know as MYTHIC ENTERTAINMENT.
7 million addicted subcribers will not just up and quit anytime within a few years. It will take quite a LONG time for WoW to start dieing trust me. No matter how many times someone says they are bored and quitting everyone always comes back. Other than the rare 5% of people.
I am one of those people ;}
I rerolled on one of the two latest servers and have to say the horde community is pretty cool.
Wow is already hemoraging subscribers as off right now. You do know that Burning Crusade was pushed back not because of blizzard but because of Vivendi wanting them to find a way to stop losing as many subscribers as they are now by including more non raid content. If the Burning Crusade does include good non raid content that lets most people keep up with raiders and makes it so you don't have to raid all the time Ya WoW will be around for a damn long time but as it is there are only so many things you can do at 60 and so many times you can get your ass kicked I seriously doubt that WoW has 6.5 million subscribers as of right now.
Well that's what I said if Burning Crusade addresses alot of the issues of the raid based game WoW will survive all I was saying is that if WoW keeps its current status quoe its gonna fall faster than it would without it. I may come back for Burning Crusade all depends on how it looks.
Well, if Vanguard lives up to it's hype (i mean the developers' hype, not community) it will almost certainly kill off WoW (in terms of players looking for EQ1 style challenging gameplay). All the hardcore WoW people will migrate to it. WoW will still have like 5 million EZ moders tho. (That said, I play WoW and only have time for EZ mode with my job. It's great for what it sets out to be.)
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Darkfall will decimate WoW. All they have to do is come through on 50% of their claims.
- Unrestricted PvP - Full loot on death - Build strongholds, cities, towns - Build Warships for Naval Battles - Seiging System - Quest system - Cratfing system - No item grind (90% of the items in the game are player craftable and no uber gear) - Skill based system (no xp grind) - 1 server to host 10k players in the largest in-game world ever built - Mounts and Mounted combat - Faction and Rep system to curb griefing - Great graphics and artwork (no repetitive artwork either as every zone is going to be unique in a hand built world) - Great lore to support RP - Supports true non-combatant roles such as merchants and smithy's for the carebears out there - No targetting - manual aim for ranged attacks and twitch style melee combat.
WoW will die out fast when this game releases....hell they will lose half the player base when it goes to beta.
The only way I would play WoW now is if I decide to build about 10 computers and macro farm to make extra money on the weekends.
I took a good long look at Darfall about six months ago. Looked like the perfect mmo.
Unfortunately, if the complete disaster of DnL shows us anything, it's that these smaller developers have a hard time with the mmorpg genere.
That isn't to say that Darkfall can't pull it off. But the fact that they were at E3 with nothing to show, and they have slated their release for the end of this year, doesn't bode well.
Hopefully they won't make the same mistake as DnL and release unplayable garbage just because of a set date. But the problem there is, by that time, so many of these Q4 2006 mmos will already be out, and a few of them have great promise to take a big chunk of the mmorpg market, making it harder for Darkfall to compete.
Anyway, it's all speculation, but we shall see....
how many games did WoW kill? AC2? EQ is still going, FFXI, L2, EQ2, EVE, maybe DoAC? SWG went jihad on itself, AC and AO were never big hits, same with horizons, Matrix and D&D did nothing.
so tell me this, if WoW soaks up 6 million gamers and kills(maybe) AC2 why do people think one of the 10 listed in this thread will do anything to WoW?
and do we really need one of these threads a week for the next 5 years?
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WoW won't actually shut down for a long ass time. I mean the Battle.net servers are still open for the Warcraft RTS games.
99% of WoW players are Diablo, Starcraft, or Warcraft players (i.e. this is their first MMORPG). The low level cap and lack of end game/pvp content will help speed up burnout, but most gamers are loyal to their first love for a long time. I think WoW will hold the subscription record forever, but you really don't need 40 servers maxed out with queues to make a successful MMORPG. There will be some really good games coming out in the next few years. The WoW subscription base has shown large companies that there is money to be made in MMORPGs and they will start carving out niche markets to give us all what we want. I only worry that game companies may decide to use the same business model that they use for offline FPS and RPG games. If they go for box sales(fast cash, with burnout and buy a new game every six months) instead of long term subscriptions then MMORPG players will be SOoL.
BTW WoW is a horrible MMORPG. I just came to this forum on a whim. It's PvP is pointless, and it's PvE is repetitive and shallow. Oh yeah, and the community is more infested with obnoxious assholes than any game i have played. If you think this is a great game, you should try out any other MMORPG.
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Age of Conan does look really good. Gods & Heroes and Tabula Rasa also look really good.
I think that these games will start to pick up WoW's churn (people who played WoW and have left because WoW's endgame is only for hardcore uber guild players) - and some of them will probably be huge successes with over a million subscribers - but all of them are niche in some way, and even though they look awesome, none of them are contenders to replace WoW as king of the MMO hill.
AoC - Mature-rating - definitely cool, but they'll never get families that play together or teenagers.
Gods & Heroes - This one is looking amazing, with an innovative new minion system, visceral combat animations, and a historic/mythological setting. However, people just aren't into mythology. . . you don't see MythCon's with people cosplaying as Medusa and Hercules. This one has the most potential for success as a game design (innovative and interesting - lead designer is Stieg Hedlund, creater of Diablo, Diablo II, and Starcraft) - but has poor potential in it's concept.
Tabula Rasa - This looks very fun, innovative, and interesting. However, it is a sci-fi setting and some twitch skills will be required for this MMORPG/FPS. That makes the potential audience both broader in some ways and narrower in others.
These will all be successful in spite of WoW remaining industry dominant.
However, Warhammer could - if they deliver on the Realm vs. Realm PvP and make a great game - be a real competitor for WoW. . . though it won't "kill" it. Expect WoW to be around in some form for the next ten years. However, someday, some game will beat it, and that may just be one of the above titles.
I think WAR will take the biggest chunk out of the MMO market in general. Warhammer is a 25 year old franchise and has a very large fanbase from previous games and the tabletop miniature game which is the most popular in the world. They have Warhammer fans and DAoC fans backing them along with the newcomers to Mythic or GamesWorkshop who just want a solid MMO with the feeling that "War is everywhere" and PvP(RvR) will never feel like an afterthought. In Warhammer you don't have to PvE one day of your life if you don't want to as you gain XP and gear drops (not the actual player's equipment) from PvP and the same goes with you don't have to PvP if you don't want to. You can do either for the full game or mix it up if you like, it's entirely up to the player and I think that is what everyone in the genre has been wanting. The game will never feel like a grind and you won't be rushing to hit the top because the game will be fun from level 1 to the end. If any game can compete with the 500lb gorilla that is WoW, it's WAR.
"Time.." I chuckled "I hold no secret to time, though it's mystery puzzles me. Deny it's existence and lie to myself not with hopes of a quickened pace."
The only game that may (imo) get more subs than PC WoW, would be WoW on the PS3 (still only a rumor currently). Sad, but true.
I don't want to write this, and you don't want to read it. But now it's too late for both of us.
Honestly, I think WoW will end up being the WoW killer, not any other game on the horizon. The game is designed to eventually wear you out of it. Once that happens, people have a tendency to just leave. There really isn't anything else out on the market that can replace it (it is a groundbreaking game in its own way as it is fun, even if it really doesn't do anything new). But after a point, it becomes the same grind over and over again.
I really wish there was some great game on the horizon, but they're all pretty much the same thing, although they all claim to be ground-breaking and 50th generation, or whatever. They're all pretty much the same cookie cutter EQ/WoW/UO/Eve clone with a few bells and whistles that sound different.
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In my humble opinon WAR will deffintly overcome WOW. ALot of ex-DAoC players moved to WOW but, because ofthe lack of new content and expansions WOW will die in slue of the new content rich game being deved by the GODS know as
MYTHIC ENTERTAINMENT.
7 million addicted subcribers will not just up and quit anytime within a few years. It will take quite a LONG time for WoW to start dieing trust me.
No matter how many times someone says they are bored and quitting everyone always comes back. Other than the rare 5% of people.
I rerolled on one of the two latest servers and have to say the horde community is pretty cool.
I don't see that happening, Fenrir.
It is pretty clear that WoW is a raid game, plan and simple. However, according to the hype, the will have some cooler PvP implementations.
Such as non-instanced world battles where you take over cities.
We shall see, I probably won't even get it tho, cause I'll prolly already be all up in that AoC
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- Unrestricted PvP
- Full loot on death
- Build strongholds, cities, towns
- Build Warships for Naval Battles
- Seiging System
- Quest system
- Cratfing system
- No item grind (90% of the items in the game are player craftable and no uber gear)
- Skill based system (no xp grind)
- 1 server to host 10k players in the largest in-game world ever built
- Mounts and Mounted combat
- Faction and Rep system to curb griefing
- Great graphics and artwork (no repetitive artwork either as every zone is going to be unique in a hand built world)
- Great lore to support RP
- Supports true non-combatant roles such as merchants and smithy's for the carebears out there
- No targetting - manual aim for ranged attacks and twitch style melee combat.
WoW will die out fast when this game releases....hell they will lose half the player base when it goes to beta.
The only way I would play WoW now is if I decide to build about 10 computers and macro farm to make extra money on the weekends.
I took a good long look at Darfall about six months ago. Looked like the perfect mmo.
Unfortunately, if the complete disaster of DnL shows us anything, it's that these smaller developers have a hard time with the mmorpg genere.
That isn't to say that Darkfall can't pull it off. But the fact that they were at E3 with nothing to show, and they have slated their release for the end of this year, doesn't bode well.
Hopefully they won't make the same mistake as DnL and release unplayable garbage just because of a set date. But the problem there is, by that time, so many of these Q4 2006 mmos will already be out, and a few of them have great promise to take a big chunk of the mmorpg market, making it harder for Darkfall to compete.
Anyway, it's all speculation, but we shall see....
how many games did WoW kill? AC2? EQ is still going, FFXI, L2, EQ2, EVE, maybe DoAC? SWG went jihad on itself, AC and AO were never big hits, same with horizons, Matrix and D&D did nothing.
so tell me this, if WoW soaks up 6 million gamers and kills(maybe) AC2 why do people think one of the 10 listed in this thread will do anything to WoW?
and do we really need one of these threads a week for the next 5 years?
i got dibs on the stargate mmorpg killing WoW 3 years in advance!!11!1