SWG is running for 3 years now, providing consistent gameplay to 100k+ players.
Server availability is not the same thing as consistent gameplay. I'm sorry if you think it is. SWG has not had consistent gameplay for more than two years. If it wasn't the nerf bat, it's a "revamp" or "upgrade" or "new game experience." In all those upheavals, the gameplay has been anything but consistent.
Server availability is not the same thing as consistent gameplay. I'm sorry if you think it is. SWG has not had consistent gameplay for more than two years. If it wasn't the nerf bat, it's a "revamp" or "upgrade" or "new game experience." In all those upheavals, the gameplay has been anything but consistent.
You give way too much credit to casual player. Majority of subscriber base will never know what nerf is, or why it should matter that a certain gun now does kinetic or energy damage, although all pvpers went into a hissy fit over that change, and 17 of them cancelled, insulted SOE and their mothers over it, and sent voicemail threats to any SOE related number they could find.
If you're on any SWG forums, you're not average subscriber. You're in the hardcore 20%.
Originally posted by Uberman Originally posted by Rekrul
SWG is running for 3 years now, providing consistent gameplay to 100k+ players.
Server availability is not the same thing as consistent gameplay. I'm sorry if you think it is. SWG has not had consistent gameplay for more than two years. If it wasn't the nerf bat, it's a "revamp" or "upgrade" or "new game experience." In all those upheavals, the gameplay has been anything but consistent.
Very true. I think rekrul is mixing these facts up.
SWG has been one of the most if not the most inconsistent games I have ever seen.
Originally posted by Rekrul Originally posted by Cola
Very true. I think rekrul is mixing these facts up.
SWG has been one of the most if not the most inconsistent games I have ever seen.
Or perhaps my definition of consistent is different from others.
Who has played on the MMO emulators?
and to refresh your memory, its your definition of Consistent Gameplay related to SWG. We all know what consistent means. But when you say SWG has had consistent gameplay for 3 years, everyone knows that it has not. Its just a cold hard fact. Even the gamers that have never played SWG in any form, know that the game does not have consistent gameplay.
Originally posted by Vyava Originally posted by MX13 The arguement against this is easy: You already bought the game, so there is NO theft. And it will win. No no no. Yoou only have legal use of the software to hook up to a SOE server. Besides all the grpahic identity data is being used illegally on the EMU server. Then creating the EMU to circumvent copyright and use agreements is illegal. Using Star Wars without a license is illegal.The process to create the EMU called reverse engineering is illegal and so anything created with it is illegal (you can thank that to the reverse engineering of the 8088 chipset). No part of the EMU is legal and this BS that it is because you own a physical copy of the software circles around regularily but it is false. THAT ISN'T LAW, it's terms of us / EULA. NO IT'S NOT, there are THOUSANDS of websites, Fanzines & resources that don't have licenses. Make PROFIT is illegal. You are SO far off here, I won't even get started... ALL of the Art is on your machine, not on the Server, and the names & referances are not protected if they are not sold, or used to generate profit, that's established precident. The art is licensed for use to represent data on official servers only and using it to represent other data is violate your use rights. THAT IS PRECIDENT, it is called fraud. Representing an item as somethign else is defined as fraud and such things as "phishing" sites have created the precident that misrepresenting by using files on someone's computer is legally fraud. The art is NOT on the server, it's on your machine. And how did you jump to fraud? Please, you are completely off on some tangent... LEC/SOE have no case, quite literally, unless someone related to the EMU starts giving away SWG for people to play the EMU, and that would be just stupid. Read above. It is only within use terms and legality to use the software to access an official server. This is why some companies have made it a point to offer dedicated server software where people can mod the rules all they want, mostly FPSs but it was done in respnse to games like ROTT and the lawsuites following it (where EMUs lost out BTW) to allow fans to play the game how they wanted. No it's not. The terms could say that you need to supply them with monkeys, and that wouldn't make it law. TERMS OF USE, not LAW of USE. READ IT, PLEASE. EDIT: Oh, and I agree, they will sue. That's their REAL power... to finacially punish anyone who starts a server... Logical disconnect. You realize by saying that they can sue and win (aka financially punish them) you are stating that they have the legal upper hand.They wioll win because the EMU is illegal. Can't have one without the other. After all if they can sue for IP infringment, loss of income due to too similar a product, or anything or the such (which would be things they can sue over) then the EMU is in violation of the law. No, I'm not... Sueing someone means you need to get lawyers, and respond to the actions of SOE'LA's lawyers. The case may never get to court and it could cost them thousands in legal bills, that is what I was referring to. Being Sued IS punishment, and it doesn't prove anyhting. IT's not Illegal, and saying it doesn't make it so.
The SWGEMU devs did an amazing thing, pre-cu was fun the current game is not. A lot of hard work for not though. It isn't SOE that will take them down, SOE is minor at best and if it was almost any other game it could probably survive underground fairly safely (although still completely ILLEGAL). However they are taking on the entire Lucas money making family. Lucas owned/operated companies are not known for the best products, the best service, nor the best customer service...BUT they are known for taking down and destroying anything that uses Star Wars without permission. They have gone after fanfics and other such things that have gotten large enough to grab some Star Wars community attention before, don't expect somethign like SWGEMU to survive their mindless assualts.
And they have lost EVERY ONE that is NOT for profit. Check your facts, seriously... They actually sued an unoffical Fanclub that charged membership fees, and not only lost, but lost the counter-suit... that's WHY there's an offical fanclub now, they wanted control back so they made one...
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
Originally posted by MX13 Originally posted by Vyava Originally posted by MX13 The arguement against this is easy: You already bought the game, so there is NO theft. And it will win. No no no. Yoou only have legal use of the software to hook up to a SOE server. Besides all the grpahic identity data is being used illegally on the EMU server. Then creating the EMU to circumvent copyright and use agreements is illegal. Using Star Wars without a license is illegal.The process to create the EMU called reverse engineering is illegal and so anything created with it is illegal (you can thank that to the reverse engineering of the 8088 chipset). No part of the EMU is legal and this BS that it is because you own a physical copy of the software circles around regularily but it is false. THAT ISN'T LAW, it's terms of us / EULA. NO IT'S NOT, there are THOUSANDS of websites, Fanzines & resources that don't have licenses. Make PROFIT is illegal. You are SO far off here, I won't even get started... ALL of the Art is on your machine, not on the Server, and the names & referances are not protected if they are not sold, or used to generate profit, that's established precident. The art is licensed for use to represent data on official servers only and using it to represent other data is violate your use rights. THAT IS PRECIDENT, it is called fraud. Representing an item as somethign else is defined as fraud and such things as "phishing" sites have created the precident that misrepresenting by using files on someone's computer is legally fraud. The art is NOT on the server, it's on your machine. And how did you jump to fraud? Please, you are completely off on some tangent... LEC/SOE have no case, quite literally, unless someone related to the EMU starts giving away SWG for people to play the EMU, and that would be just stupid. Read above. It is only within use terms and legality to use the software to access an official server. This is why some companies have made it a point to offer dedicated server software where people can mod the rules all they want, mostly FPSs but it was done in respnse to games like ROTT and the lawsuites following it (where EMUs lost out BTW) to allow fans to play the game how they wanted. No it's not. The terms could say that you need to supply them with monkeys, and that wouldn't make it law. TERMS OF USE, not LAW of USE. READ IT, PLEASE. EDIT: Oh, and I agree, they will sue. That's their REAL power... to finacially punish anyone who starts a server... Logical disconnect. You realize by saying that they can sue and win (aka financially punish them) you are stating that they have the legal upper hand.They wioll win because the EMU is illegal. Can't have one without the other. After all if they can sue for IP infringment, loss of income due to too similar a product, or anything or the such (which would be things they can sue over) then the EMU is in violation of the law. No, I'm not... Sueing someone means you need to get lawyers, and respond to the actions of SOE'LA's lawyers. The case may never get to court and it could cost them thousands in legal bills, that is what I was referring to. Being Sued IS punishment, and it doesn't prove anyhting. IT's not Illegal, and saying it doesn't make it so.
The SWGEMU devs did an amazing thing, pre-cu was fun the current game is not. A lot of hard work for not though. It isn't SOE that will take them down, SOE is minor at best and if it was almost any other game it could probably survive underground fairly safely (although still completely ILLEGAL). However they are taking on the entire Lucas money making family. Lucas owned/operated companies are not known for the best products, the best service, nor the best customer service...BUT they are known for taking down and destroying anything that uses Star Wars without permission. They have gone after fanfics and other such things that have gotten large enough to grab some Star Wars community attention before, don't expect somethign like SWGEMU to survive their mindless assualts.
And they have lost EVERY ONE that is NOT for profit. Check your facts, seriously... They actually sued an unoffical Fanclub that charged membership fees, and not only lost, but lost the counter-suit... that's WHY there's an offical fanclub now, they wanted control back so they made one...
All I see in that is go, get ready to stop, stop and the lights are out :P
Originally posted by Cola Originally posted by Rekrul Originally posted by Cola
Very true. I think rekrul is mixing these facts up.
SWG has been one of the most if not the most inconsistent games I have ever seen.
Or perhaps my definition of consistent is different from others.
Who has played on the MMO emulators?
and to refresh your memory, its your definition of Consistent Gameplay related to SWG. We all know what consistent means. But when you say SWG has had consistent gameplay for 3 years, everyone knows that it has not. Its just a cold hard fact. Even the gamers that have never played SWG in any form, know that the game does not have consistent gameplay.
3 years...
3 total revamps?
cmon
consistent?
I think not
Maybe his defination of consistant is: Something that changes every day to make things worse off than they were before being consistant.
MX13 I will repost since you don't seem to understand how an EMU functions:
No, it is illegal AND against the EULA. I will explain. An EMU or emulation pretends it is something it is not. The SWGEMU pretends it is a valid authorized and legal server and misleads the client. Following so far? good. It is doing this through the use of cracked packet data. So it is misleading the client software which is fraud. It is illegally representing itself as somethign it isn't. This precident has been shown with Lineage 2, UO, and EQ EMU lawsuites.
Well what is the user knows this? Doesn't matter because to emulate this information and tell the client that it is a viable server illegal acts have to happen. Every time a graphic makes a copyrighted image appear you are violating copy right. How so? The specific data within the secure packet to call up that image is specific to the client and server setup...both of which are copyrighted and to obtain this data involves breaking copyright. Well what if they modify the client software you ask? Well now the client is illegal because you illegally modified the client.
There is no legal route to use either original client or server software. UO and L2 EMU servers show this precident.
Also as someone else pointed out using an EMU server breaks the DMCA by bypassing the security within the client software.
If the SWGEMU team had put their efforts into recreating how SWG played/functioned without reverse engineering and created their own client software they would be legally safe, they didn't so they are not legally safe.
Now I am off to work to play with IP like I do 5-7 days a week.
Originally posted by kaibigan34 Originally posted by Wildcat84 There is still a TON of work left to do, but these guys have come far in just the last month.
I'd estimate we will have something playable by fall/winter.
SOE can't stop it. Once the code is out there, it's out there.
What they need to do is set up classic servers and they need to do it NOW.
SOE cant stop it. Your right. But they can delay it. File for suit then get a cease and desist order until outcome of the case, then keep it in limbo for up to 5 years. Their lawyers know they cant stop it. Smedley gave them permission. But they can delay it. I am sure they are already looking at this possibility right now.
The logical thing for SOE to do is to create classic servers now. It would gain a community and help to stem the flow of blood. But you have to ask yourself, when has SOE ever done anything that was logical?
Kai
I need to read the rest of the thread but I need to respond to this first. There was a recent thing... I can't remember if it was a Supreme COurt ruling ot a new bill that was passed, that basically said that injunctions are no longer automatic. The plantiff has to prove significant monetary loss to get an injunction to stop whatever it is pending the outcome of the case. Given that, it's really not that simple for SOE or LA to tie it up in court for years. They can't really say they're losing money because it's a different game according to SOE. So, they could try a lawsuit, but it would be better for the Emu guys to delay the case since they could probably continue working while the case is pending.
OK, I'm gonna keep reading the thread now
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Originally posted by kaibigan34 I know everyone excited about the new video from SWGEMU. I am as well but a few things to consider here.
1. We dont know how long this is going to take. Yes they have managed to emulate a server but still this is a small step. It may take months and even years to finish it.
It also may take weeks...No one knows. Not even you.
2. It could be fake. I am not saying it is so please dont start flaming me. I think its genuine too. But dont forget there were once videos and screenies taken by people who figured out how to load into SWG without going to a server.
It could be real as the rain....it most likey is.
3. If it does succeed there is still going to be the issue of who will be allowed to play and who wont. Again not saying these guys arent stand up people but I have seen people take something and turn it into an elitest situation completely by accident. This causes alot more problems then you think.
Anything is better than the NGE...I'll take my chances
4. SOE is in fact scared. There is no way to deny it. What do people do when they are scared? They are unpredictable. Corporations are the same. Eventhough they dont have a leg to stand on in court, since they pretty much gave the EMU team permission, they can still hold it up in courts for years before ever even speaking to a judge. Getting a cease and desist order until the outcome of the case isnt that hard to do.
Offiicals from SOE have said as late as yesterday..."the EMU is NOT SWG." SOE does not care!
What I am trying to say here gang is lets not get our hopes up too high. It is great news but always remember "There is many a slip between a cup and a lip.".
Lets also keep in mind that everyone said the EMU team would never even get this far.
Originally posted by Vyava MX13 I will repost since you don't seem to understand how an EMU functions: No, it is illegal AND against the EULA. I will explain. An EMU or emulation pretends it is something it is not. The SWGEMU pretends it is a valid authorized and legal server and misleads the client. Following so far? good. It is doing this through the use of cracked packet data. So it is misleading the client software which is fraud. It is illegally representing itself as somethign it isn't. This precident has been shown with Lineage 2, UO, and EQ EMU lawsuites. Well what is the user knows this? Doesn't matter because to emulate this information and tell the client that it is a viable server illegal acts have to happen. Every time a graphic makes a copyrighted image appear you are violating copy right. How so? The specific data within the secure packet to call up that image is specific to the client and server setup...both of which are copyrighted and to obtain this data involves breaking copyright. Well what if they modify the client software you ask? Well now the client is illegal because you illegally modified the client. There is no legal route to use either original client or server software. UO and L2 EMU servers show this precident. Also as someone else pointed out using an EMU server breaks the DMCA by bypassing the security within the client software. If the SWGEMU team had put their efforts into recreating how SWG played/functioned without reverse engineering and created their own client software they would be legally safe, they didn't so they are not legally safe. Now I am off to work to play with IP like I do 5-7 days a week.
This person is so clueless it's actually funny.
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They have made significant strides lately. Perhaps, if they get it working and it goes open source as they have said, it will encourage them to offer classic servers. Certainly cant hurt the cause.
"The man who exchanges Liberty for Iconic classes is a fool deserving of neither." - Me and Ben Franklin
Originally posted by Vyava MX13 I will repost since you don't seem to understand how an EMU functions: No, it is illegal AND against the EULA. I will explain. An EMU or emulation pretends it is something it is not. The SWGEMU pretends it is a valid authorized and legal server and misleads the client. Following so far? good. It is doing this through the use of cracked packet data. So it is misleading the client software which is fraud. It is illegally representing itself as somethign it isn't. This precident has been shown with Lineage 2, UO, and EQ EMU lawsuites. Well what is the user knows this? Doesn't matter because to emulate this information and tell the client that it is a viable server illegal acts have to happen. Every time a graphic makes a copyrighted image appear you are violating copy right. How so? The specific data within the secure packet to call up that image is specific to the client and server setup...both of which are copyrighted and to obtain this data involves breaking copyright. Well what if they modify the client software you ask? Well now the client is illegal because you illegally modified the client. There is no legal route to use either original client or server software. UO and L2 EMU servers show this precident. Also as someone else pointed out using an EMU server breaks the DMCA by bypassing the security within the client software. If the SWGEMU team had put their efforts into recreating how SWG played/functioned without reverse engineering and created their own client software they would be legally safe, they didn't so they are not legally safe. Now I am off to work to play with IP like I do 5-7 days a week.
Vyava I will repost since you don't seem to understand how an EMU functions:
No, it is NOT illegal, but IS against the EULA. I will explain. An EMU, or emulation, IS a SWG server, but not one run or coded by SOE. Since it is reassembled by packets & IS custom code, it is NOT a copy of SWG Server Code, and therefor NOT Illegal Pirating. Following so far? good. It is NOT doing this through the use of cracked packet data, since there is NOTHING to crack when looking at a packet. It is NOT misleading the client software since ALL the software is doing is connecting to a Server, you see, it has no choice and therefor CAN NOT be mislead, it is Modded. It is NOT illegally representing itself as somethign it isn't, since that in itself is NOT Illegal, but only against the EULA. This precident has NOT been shown with Lineage 2, UO, and EQ EMU lawsuits since NONE of these EMU's has been shut down, although EMU's that CHARGE have been. There are examples of ALL of those still running, especially UO.
EMULATION IS NOT ILLEGAL. Following so far? good. Show us one THING, ONE that says it is. Pirating IS Illegal, but the EMU is NOT a Pirated Server or Software. Reverse Engineering is NOT Illegal, but stealing code segments is.
You claim there is no legal route to use either original client or server software (which the EMU is NOT), but EVERY interpretation by experts (feel free to Google one) says differently. Following so far? good. ONLY when an EMU copies a game for the purpose of a) making profit, b) avoiding the legal purchase of the game or c) circumventing the Subscription source have rulings been against an EMU (Google Diablo II EMU). Are there arguments to made by both sides with the SWGEMU? Yes, but they haven't yet and you are HARDLY an athority, only a judge is. Saying something is Illegal DOESN'T make it so, and until a Judge rules on a SWGEMU case, the EMU is NOT Illegal.
Also, you claim, as someone else pointed out using an EMU server breaks the DMCA by bypassing the security within the client software, which means nothing since you have NO proof of it. Following so far? good.
Modifying the client without altering the protected materials IS NOT ILLEGAL. Following so far? good. Since the Server is NOT the same as SOE software, the Server Software is NOT Illegal. Now, what people do with the Servers COULD be Illegal, but that does not mean it will.
Last, adding condescending comments only serves to make you more abnoxious. Following so far? good.
Now I am back to work, where my company runs Transaction Servers and is currently dealing with competitors who have tried to reverse engineer & rewrite our software, you know, an EMU of our software...
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
Originally posted by JediGeek Originally posted by Vyava MX13 I will repost since you don't seem to understand how an EMU functions: No, it is illegal AND against the EULA. I will explain. An EMU or emulation pretends it is something it is not. The SWGEMU pretends it is a valid authorized and legal server and misleads the client. Following so far? good. It is doing this through the use of cracked packet data. So it is misleading the client software which is fraud. It is illegally representing itself as somethign it isn't. This precident has been shown with Lineage 2, UO, and EQ EMU lawsuites. Well what is the user knows this? Doesn't matter because to emulate this information and tell the client that it is a viable server illegal acts have to happen. Every time a graphic makes a copyrighted image appear you are violating copy right. How so? The specific data within the secure packet to call up that image is specific to the client and server setup...both of which are copyrighted and to obtain this data involves breaking copyright. Well what if they modify the client software you ask? Well now the client is illegal because you illegally modified the client. There is no legal route to use either original client or server software. UO and L2 EMU servers show this precident. Also as someone else pointed out using an EMU server breaks the DMCA by bypassing the security within the client software. If the SWGEMU team had put their efforts into recreating how SWG played/functioned without reverse engineering and created their own client software they would be legally safe, they didn't so they are not legally safe. Now I am off to work to play with IP like I do 5-7 days a week.
You sir are a Boob...
You have absolutly no idea what the hell you are talking about. If you had a functional brain, you would know that there are Hundreds of EMU servers running without even the hint of Legal distress.
Stop impersonating something you are not. There are people here who know that you are full of shit. Stop posting on this subject because you have no clue. I'm not sure you can make a bigger ass of yourself at this point.
"There's no star system Slave I can't reach, and there's no planet I can't find. There's nowhere in the Galaxy for you to run. Might as well give up now." Boba Fett
To make this easier to read, I'll put this very simply: If you think this is illegal, you are wrong. If you think I'm wrong, once again, you are wrong. But, feel free not play it. Several thousand other people will be happy to take your place.
I HAD to save that part, hehe. Seriously though, if you're defending me I need to rethink my position!
My WHOLE point was that as it stands, nothing has been determined to be Illegal yet. Does that mean it won't be? I don't think so, but I'm not the law. Heck, anyone who knows anything about how crazy our Judicial system is will tell you that you can always be surprised...
We'll find out, but until then, making Opinionated Statements is Good-Form; making Absolute Statements is Ignorance...
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
Yea youre right MX, I saw your name first thing in the post he quoted and it threw me off my mistake, could you edit my quote out of your above post so I dont continue to look blind?
"There's no star system Slave I can't reach, and there's no planet I can't find. There's nowhere in the Galaxy for you to run. Might as well give up now." Boba Fett
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Server availability is not the same thing as consistent gameplay. I'm sorry if you think it is. SWG has not had consistent gameplay for more than two years. If it wasn't the nerf bat, it's a "revamp" or "upgrade" or "new game experience." In all those upheavals, the gameplay has been anything but consistent.
You give way too much credit to casual player. Majority of subscriber base will never know what nerf is, or why it should matter that a certain gun now does kinetic or energy damage, although all pvpers went into a hissy fit over that change, and 17 of them cancelled, insulted SOE and their mothers over it, and sent voicemail threats to any SOE related number they could find.
If you're on any SWG forums, you're not average subscriber. You're in the hardcore 20%.
Server availability is not the same thing as consistent gameplay. I'm sorry if you think it is. SWG has not had consistent gameplay for more than two years. If it wasn't the nerf bat, it's a "revamp" or "upgrade" or "new game experience." In all those upheavals, the gameplay has been anything but consistent.
Very true. I think rekrul is mixing these facts up.
SWG has been one of the most if not the most inconsistent games I have ever seen.
Very true. I think rekrul is mixing these facts up.
SWG has been one of the most if not the most inconsistent games I have ever seen.
Or perhaps my definition of consistent is different from others.
Who has played on the MMO emulators?
Very true. I think rekrul is mixing these facts up.
SWG has been one of the most if not the most inconsistent games I have ever seen.
Or perhaps my definition of consistent is different from others.
Who has played on the MMO emulators?
and to refresh your memory, its your definition of Consistent Gameplay related to SWG. We all know what consistent means. But when you say SWG has had consistent gameplay for 3 years, everyone knows that it has not. Its just a cold hard fact. Even the gamers that have never played SWG in any form, know that the game does not have consistent gameplay.
3 years...
3 total revamps?
cmon
consistent gameplay?
I think not
The SWGEMU devs did an amazing thing, pre-cu was fun the current game is not. A lot of hard work for not though. It isn't SOE that will take them down, SOE is minor at best and if it was almost any other game it could probably survive underground fairly safely (although still completely ILLEGAL). However they are taking on the entire Lucas money making family. Lucas owned/operated companies are not known for the best products, the best service, nor the best customer service...BUT they are known for taking down and destroying anything that uses Star Wars without permission. They have gone after fanfics and other such things that have gotten large enough to grab some Star Wars community attention before, don't expect somethign like SWGEMU to survive their mindless assualts.
And they have lost EVERY ONE that is NOT for profit. Check your facts, seriously... They actually sued an unoffical Fanclub that charged membership fees, and not only lost, but lost the counter-suit... that's WHY there's an offical fanclub now, they wanted control back so they made one...
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
The SWGEMU devs did an amazing thing, pre-cu was fun the current game is not. A lot of hard work for not though. It isn't SOE that will take them down, SOE is minor at best and if it was almost any other game it could probably survive underground fairly safely (although still completely ILLEGAL). However they are taking on the entire Lucas money making family. Lucas owned/operated companies are not known for the best products, the best service, nor the best customer service...BUT they are known for taking down and destroying anything that uses Star Wars without permission. They have gone after fanfics and other such things that have gotten large enough to grab some Star Wars community attention before, don't expect somethign like SWGEMU to survive their mindless assualts.
And they have lost EVERY ONE that is NOT for profit. Check your facts, seriously... They actually sued an unoffical Fanclub that charged membership fees, and not only lost, but lost the counter-suit... that's WHY there's an offical fanclub now, they wanted control back so they made one...
All I see in that is go, get ready to stop, stop and the lights are out :P
Very true. I think rekrul is mixing these facts up.
SWG has been one of the most if not the most inconsistent games I have ever seen.
Or perhaps my definition of consistent is different from others.
Who has played on the MMO emulators?
and to refresh your memory, its your definition of Consistent Gameplay related to SWG. We all know what consistent means. But when you say SWG has had consistent gameplay for 3 years, everyone knows that it has not. Its just a cold hard fact. Even the gamers that have never played SWG in any form, know that the game does not have consistent gameplay.
3 years...
3 total revamps?
cmon
consistent?
I think not
Maybe his defination of consistant is: Something that changes every day to make things worse off than they were before being consistant.
MX13 I will repost since you don't seem to understand how an EMU functions:
No, it is illegal AND against the EULA. I will explain. An EMU or emulation pretends it is something it is not. The SWGEMU pretends it is a valid authorized and legal server and misleads the client. Following so far? good. It is doing this through the use of cracked packet data. So it is misleading the client software which is fraud. It is illegally representing itself as somethign it isn't. This precident has been shown with Lineage 2, UO, and EQ EMU lawsuites.
Well what is the user knows this? Doesn't matter because to emulate this information and tell the client that it is a viable server illegal acts have to happen. Every time a graphic makes a copyrighted image appear you are violating copy right. How so? The specific data within the secure packet to call up that image is specific to the client and server setup...both of which are copyrighted and to obtain this data involves breaking copyright. Well what if they modify the client software you ask? Well now the client is illegal because you illegally modified the client.
There is no legal route to use either original client or server software. UO and L2 EMU servers show this precident.
Also as someone else pointed out using an EMU server breaks the DMCA by bypassing the security within the client software.
If the SWGEMU team had put their efforts into recreating how SWG played/functioned without reverse engineering and created their own client software they would be legally safe, they didn't so they are not legally safe.
Now I am off to work to play with IP like I do 5-7 days a week.
I came across this today. Take it for what you will.
http://furiouswow.com/SWGEmu-Video1.rar
You will need to download WinRAR to upzip it
http://www.win-rar.com/
Enjoy
EQ - Tergan - Retired
EQ2 - Badmortagin - Retired
SWG - Badmortagin - Retired
AO - Badmortagin - Retired
The logical thing for SOE to do is to create classic servers now. It would gain a community and help to stem the flow of blood. But you have to ask yourself, when has SOE ever done anything that was logical?
Kai
I need to read the rest of the thread but I need to respond to this first. There was a recent thing... I can't remember if it was a Supreme COurt ruling ot a new bill that was passed, that basically said that injunctions are no longer automatic. The plantiff has to prove significant monetary loss to get an injunction to stop whatever it is pending the outcome of the case.
Given that, it's really not that simple for SOE or LA to tie it up in court for years. They can't really say they're losing money because it's a different game according to SOE. So, they could try a lawsuit, but it would be better for the Emu guys to delay the case since they could probably continue working while the case is pending.
OK, I'm gonna keep reading the thread now
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"The man who exchanges Liberty for Iconic classes is a fool deserving of neither." - Me and Ben Franklin
Vyava I will repost since you don't seem to understand how an EMU functions:
No, it is NOT illegal, but IS against the EULA. I will explain. An EMU, or emulation, IS a SWG server, but not one run or coded by SOE. Since it is reassembled by packets & IS custom code, it is NOT a copy of SWG Server Code, and therefor NOT Illegal Pirating. Following so far? good. It is NOT doing this through the use of cracked packet data, since there is NOTHING to crack when looking at a packet. It is NOT misleading the client software since ALL the software is doing is connecting to a Server, you see, it has no choice and therefor CAN NOT be mislead, it is Modded. It is NOT illegally representing itself as somethign it isn't, since that in itself is NOT Illegal, but only against the EULA. This precident has NOT been shown with Lineage 2, UO, and EQ EMU lawsuits since NONE of these EMU's has been shut down, although EMU's that CHARGE have been. There are examples of ALL of those still running, especially UO.
EMULATION IS NOT ILLEGAL. Following so far? good. Show us one THING, ONE that says it is. Pirating IS Illegal, but the EMU is NOT a Pirated Server or Software. Reverse Engineering is NOT Illegal, but stealing code segments is.
You claim there is no legal route to use either original client or server software (which the EMU is NOT), but EVERY interpretation by experts (feel free to Google one) says differently. Following so far? good. ONLY when an EMU copies a game for the purpose of a) making profit, b) avoiding the legal purchase of the game or c) circumventing the Subscription source have rulings been against an EMU (Google Diablo II EMU). Are there arguments to made by both sides with the SWGEMU? Yes, but they haven't yet and you are HARDLY an athority, only a judge is. Saying something is Illegal DOESN'T make it so, and until a Judge rules on a SWGEMU case, the EMU is NOT Illegal.
Also, you claim, as someone else pointed out using an EMU server breaks the DMCA by bypassing the security within the client software, which means nothing since you have NO proof of it. Following so far? good.
Modifying the client without altering the protected materials IS NOT ILLEGAL. Following so far? good. Since the Server is NOT the same as SOE software, the Server Software is NOT Illegal. Now, what people do with the Servers COULD be Illegal, but that does not mean it will.
Last, adding condescending comments only serves to make you more abnoxious. Following so far? good.
Now I am back to work, where my company runs Transaction Servers and is currently dealing with competitors who have tried to reverse engineer & rewrite our software, you know, an EMU of our software...
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
Fight fire with fire? Heck no, fight it with Napalm...
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
You sir are a Boob...
You have absolutly no idea what the hell you are talking about. If you had a functional brain, you would know that there are Hundreds of EMU servers running without even the hint of Legal distress.
Stop impersonating something you are not. There are people here who know that you are full of shit. Stop posting on this subject because you have no clue. I'm not sure you can make a bigger ass of yourself at this point.
REGARDS
"There's no star system Slave I can't reach, and there's no planet I can't find. There's nowhere in the Galaxy for you to run. Might as well give up now."
Boba Fett
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"Sir, I refer you to the 1978 precident, Rubber V Glue..."
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
I HAD to save that part, hehe.
Seriously though, if you're defending me I need to rethink my position! 
My WHOLE point was that as it stands, nothing has been determined to be Illegal yet. Does that mean it won't be? I don't think so, but I'm not the law. Heck, anyone who knows anything about how crazy our Judicial system is will tell you that you can always be surprised...
We'll find out, but until then, making Opinionated Statements is Good-Form; making Absolute Statements is Ignorance...
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
"Sir, I refer you to the 1978 precident, Rubber V Glue..."
indeed... It was Mr. Kettle that won that case against Mr. Pot, pointing out that color discrimination was no longer allowed.
"There's no star system Slave I can't reach, and there's no planet I can't find. There's nowhere in the Galaxy for you to run. Might as well give up now."
Boba Fett
hmmm dunno if it is legal or not or whatever it is.
Many vets still remain in game just paying to post in forums or just get bored in game missing old times......
at least with a emu whatever it is like, sure u get less bored than with crappy NGE and its free lol.
Besides ,if there is a chance of getting classic servers sure EMU has a lot to say.