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Ryzoom beats WOW :)

RattrapRattrap Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 1,599

WoW fell out from the highest ranked MMO list while Ryzoom climbed to third place !!!

MMORPG users you really did it this time :)

While WOW is probably the best done MMO until now - its fast food fun attitude and community is the reason no serious MMO player would ever back it up

On the other hand Ryzoom is beutiful game with superb community but with serious lack of content ... but the dedication of its players is starting to show - they are actually making more and more people go Ryzoom

 

And it is definetly a good choice

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  • SpathotanSpathotan Member Posts: 3,928
    Ive never played Ryzom, but I wish I would have. Ive been back into WoW for about 5 months now and im not leaving anytime soon. Me and my wife are having a good time and we constantly have things to do. That and I just cant afford another monthly fee at the moment.

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  • katriellkatriell Member UncommonPosts: 977

    "Ryzoom?" :p

    Anyway yes, I'm happy to see Ryzom getting some of the exposure and hype that I believe it deserves. It may not have loads of the traditional form of "content," but it is far more content-rich when it comes to story, depth/complexity, community, etc. And when the free Ryzom Ring expansion is released, players will be able to make all the content they could want.

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  • LasraikLasraik Member Posts: 170
    The ratings on this site mean nothing.
  • XzaroXzaro Member UncommonPosts: 1,719
    OMG I'm so happy that WoW fell down in the ranks because it's been rated by 10x more people than the others!

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  • katriellkatriell Member UncommonPosts: 977


    Originally posted by Lasraik
    The ratings on this site mean nothing.
    Except that the games on the Top 7 list get more exposure to the many visitors of MMORPG.com

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  • gillestgillest Member UncommonPosts: 6

    I do really think Ryzom deserves its rank.

    One may reproach the lack of content  but the game is symply awesome and content is very often done by players and the communities: Worldwide trecks and trips by longtime players for new users to get new Teleports, RP events organised by players or the event team...

    Lot is happening on the living planet :-)

    Crafting skill is very complete: all craft comes from harvested or loot materials (each materials having special effects with 4+ material of each kind hving different properties: speed, power, longevity....). After some time, one may mix uberlooted materials and harvested materials to make more powerful weapons: lot of "secret" recipes to be discovered :-)

    Melee is very nice and have lot of different branches for both 1h and 2handed combat (sword, mace, axe, pike...) with possibility of mastering them all ..

    Magic skills and animations are amongst the best I have seen on all MMO I have played.

    And this game can cater for all play style: want to powerlvl combat/magic, no problem; want to do PvP, its possible; you dont like PvP, you can be tagged as neutral and be quite safe nearly everywhere on the world; if you prefer to harvest and craft without fighting a lot, it is also possible (you will just have to be able to sneak around high lvl monsters ...).

    This game is the best I played, I only regret I cannot play it anymore or I would be back there (I am trying my best to actually do that..) :-)

  • MaDSaMMaDSaM Member Posts: 627


    Originally posted by katriell


    Originally posted by Lasraik
    The ratings on this site mean nothing.
    Except that the games on the Top 7 list get more exposure to the many visitors of MMORPG.com



    What´s he doing here then, eh Kat?

    Well, I´m glad this great game finaly gets it´s long deserved 15minutes of fame
    It may not be a game for everyone and "contend" is always what you make of it, so we could discuss it at lenght, but it´s simply not everything. It´s a plus if a Game gives you some fast paced Action to gobble up ok.
    But in my book its an even bigger plus if a game get my imagination going and gives me something to anticipate and be proud of. I´m anticipating R² (RyzomRing, in wich my imagination will be running absolutely wild) and I´m proud of being part of the great comunity this game has build up. These Folks ROCK!

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    Do you dare to adapt?
  •  hey Gillest, long time no see

    Agree nice to see Ryzom getting some notoriety at last, the influx of thousand of new players thanks to the free unlimited trial is welcome and long overdue. Everything you could want from an MMO, Ryzom has it. Deep deep crafting system, no restrictions to having multiple skills on the same character, awsome graphics, best community ever seen in an MMO and customer support like no other.

    WoW is ok for a few weeks quest grind, but you always feel like you are stuck to a very narrow path throughout the game, being led from one quest to another, from one zone to another, Ryzom gives freedom, and through a great RP base, an ability to play your character to the fullest and have no limitations in what you become.

  • katriellkatriell Member UncommonPosts: 977

    A hopefully-educational summary of the crafting system, crossposted from a post I made in another thread...


    Everything is player-made. The only exceptions are a very nice but extremely rare set of armour that is dropped by an almost-impossible-to-defeat boss NPC, and a few items and armours that are given as rewards for completing missions in Silan (the starting island). Other than that, the only way to obtain armour/weapons is to buy them from a player crafter, either directly or via merchants. So a crafter has a very significant place in the economy. A crafter also does not have to be a fighter, but has the option to be anything and everything they want because Ryzom is classless.There are many types of materials, and each comes in five grades: Basic, Fine, Choice, Excellent, and Supreme. Each material has two possible uses (i.e., fiber is for clothing and weapon grips), and a set of properties which go towards determining the stats of the item they are used to craft. For example, dzao fiber contributes to high damage in a weapon. Some properties aren't visible, though, so you have to rely on your own knowledge and experimentation. Also, materials affect each other when combined into a "recipe." Using one type of bark in the shaft of a magic amplifier may have a negative effect on some of its stats, while using another type of bark and/or another type of fiber in the grip may have a positive effect. Overall, your numerical skill level matters far less than your own personal skill and knowledge.

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  • Perdition_ukPerdition_uk Member Posts: 181








    Ryzoom beats WOW :)

    WoW fell out from the highest ranked MMO list while Ryzoom climbed to third place !!!

    Erm... So? Christ dude even if the ratings on this site were taken seriously by anyone, do you honestly thing that Ryzom is going to stay there once the "newness" of the new free trial wears off? Historically even Auto Assault was above EvE briefly once. The fanboy "my game rulez, your game sux" rating system is deeply flawed, and people soon realise that it's to be ignored.

    ...its fast food fun attitude and community is the reason no serious MMO player would ever back it up

    No serious MMO player? Around 12 million people play subscription based MMOs across the world, and 6.6 million of them play WoW. That's over 50% of the "serious MMO" players (whatever the hell that means... sounds like elitist bullshit to me) backing it up every month; and it's rising - 100,000 new subscriptions in the last 2 months... that's more than most MMOs on the market have in total, last figures I saw had Ryzom at around 62000, that's about 1% of the WoW player base. By your logic that means only 1% of the "serious MMO" players are backing Ryzom.

    WoW has become the measure against which all MMOs are judged. Whether you love or hate WoW you have to admit that is the case.

    I have played both WoW and Ryzom, and enjoyed them both. However, Ryzom will be another niche game with a small player base that is loved by it's players, and good for them, but don't make it out to be something it's not.

  • nomadiannomadian Member Posts: 3,490
    Oh god would people just play what they want to play without these pubescent arguments as to which is better.

  • MaDSaMMaDSaM Member Posts: 627


    Originally posted by nomadian
    Oh god would people just play what they want to play without these pubescent arguments as to which is better.



    /sign 100%

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  • GRIMACHUGRIMACHU Member Posts: 528


    No serious MMO player? Around 12 million people play subscription based MMOs across the world, and 6.6 million of them play WoW.


    Argument from popularity or '100,000 Lemmings can't be wrong' as I also like to call it :P
    Arguably there's a difference between 'serious MMO player' and 'Someone who plays WoW' though there will, of course, be some crossover.

    Different audiences, different game.

    But having the biggest subscriber base does NOT the 'best' game make, it only makes the most 'popular' game.  People bought Spice Girls albums in their millions for chrissakes, does that make them good?

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  • freakerdfreakerd Member Posts: 60


    Originally posted by nomadian
    Oh god would people just play what they want to play without these pubescent arguments as to which is better.


    Agree 100% with you~!!!
  • Navi032592Navi032592 Member Posts: 79

    WoW and Saga of Ryzom

    I guess WoW falled because it will be pulling out(Sorry if I don't know much of the news),and one thing in my own opinion,WoW doesn't have a Free Version while Saga of Ryzom has a Free Version,But I'm sure players that can't afford pay to play(Like Me)will just enjoy this,indeed it has nice graphics and quite nice community,Free to play and Pay to play is the main advantage between this two..

    So.........

    Two Thumbs up..!!Saga of Ryzom..

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  • KaotiXKaotiX Member Posts: 47
    Absolutely deserved! Only two more to go! :)

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  • frkhot97frkhot97 Member Posts: 393

    Great! Ryzom is a great game!
    So is WoW of course, they just target very different audiences.

  • GameloadingGameloading Member UncommonPosts: 14,182
    The ratings have and never will be about quality. only about hype. a big part of Ryzom is free now, and hey, for free, its pretty nice game. The saga of ryzom is pretty deep, but Ryzom also proves that depth doesn't always mean its fun. Ryzom is, imo, a very, very, VERY boring game. World of Warcraft beats The saga of Ryzom any day.
  • DamonVileDamonVile Member UncommonPosts: 4,818


    Originally posted by nomadian
    Oh god would people just play what they want to play without these pubescent arguments as to which is better.



    Because MMOs are like getting married. When things are going well people want to tell everyone how great it is. Once things go wrong they have to make sure everyone knows what a two timing b!tch she/he was and no one else should go anywhere near her/him.

    Some people don't seem to get any satisfaction out of the months or years they had fun playing. When they quit an MMO they only remember the bad because for some reason that;s how they justify quitting.
  • Zaxx99Zaxx99 Member Posts: 1,761


    Originally posted by Gameloading
    The ratings have and never will be about quality. only about hype. a big part of Ryzom is free now, and hey, for free, its pretty nice game. The saga of ryzom is pretty deep, but Ryzom also proves that depth doesn't always mean its fun. Ryzom is, imo, a very, very, VERY boring game. World of Warcraft beats The saga of Ryzom any day.


    The ratings are only about hype?? You gonna sit back and tell me that the 55% of all mmo players who are subscribed to WoW don't ever come to this website and hype the hell out of WoW??? WoW has a HELLUVA LOT MORE "hype" then does SoR, don't be ridiculous.

    Ryzom is boring eh? To who? To you who thinks that you must be able to advance atleast 5 levels per day or it's "boring"? Perhaps some players prefer content and the actual quality of gameplay over how fast you can level up. I can understand how you could percieve it as boring. You probably also think that camping and talking a walk is also boring... 'cuz if you aren't driving a car at 85 mph.. my god is it boring, huh?

    You say that WoW beats SoR anyday. You and 6.5 million others. I'm glad you all agree. But popularity never equals quality. Thus the fact that SoR now has a higher rating. And don't give me that fanboy of other games hyping up other games and bashing WoW crap either. Look at all the WoW fanboys doing that same for WoW. ..Giving WoW ridiculous ratings and bashing any game that is not "WoW", even if they never played it.

    The ratings on this website tell a HELL of a LOT more about a games overall quality then does the number of people playing that game. WoW has 6.5 million+ subscribers and has an 8.1 here. Asheron's Call has 10,000 subscribers and also has an 8.1 score. Asheron's Call is very old compared to WoW. The graphics for WoW get close to a 9 rating, while AC has about a 7. That means that AC is getting better ratings then does WoW in areas like "Value" and "Fun" to make up for it's lack of graphics score and still get the same overall score. There is a good reason for that. You could take my example here for about any high rated game VS WoW. There is a reason that other games are rated higher.. or that older games are rated equal to WoW. The reason is ratings are just that. Overall average ratings where popularity means nothing. And popularity shouldn't mean anything. Just the way it should be.

    I would agree that EVERY game rated above WoW deserves it. EvE IS better. SoR is better. DAoC is a better game. I know you disagree. Here is the mentality of why WoW fans think WoW is the best: "WoW is the bested game ever cuz my 8 yr old cousin plays it! And so does Freddy and he's 5! And he's cool! And so does Wilma Sue who is retarded and 7 years old! And 6.5 million other people! So it gotta be the bestest ever!"

    How many times and how many examples to we have to give to show you fools that popularity of something means absolutely NOTHING. Overall average ratings from everyone DOES actually mean a lot more, reglardless of you may think. In the end, no matter how you slice it, the ratings on this website do mean much more then popularity polls. That's because they are "averaged" and extreme rating cut to show overall games values of players... not simpy based on who can scream the loudest. There's no doubt that 6.5 million WoW fans can scream louder then 60,000 SoR fans. They can scream about 100 times louder in fact. but that doesn't mean that WoW is 100 times better game. You WoW fans will just never get that part will you?


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  • DamonVileDamonVile Member UncommonPosts: 4,818


    Originally posted by zaxtor99



    Originally posted by Gameloading
    The ratings have and never will be about quality. only about hype. a big part of Ryzom is free now, and hey, for free, its pretty nice game. The saga of ryzom is pretty deep, but Ryzom also proves that depth doesn't always mean its fun. Ryzom is, imo, a very, very, VERY boring game. World of Warcraft beats The saga of Ryzom any day.



    The ratings are only about hype?? You gonna sit back and tell me that the 55% of all mmo players who are subscribed to WoW don't ever come to this website and hype the hell out of WoW??? WoW has a HELLUVA LOT MORE "hype" then does SoR, don't be ridiculous.




    The wow rank has about 6500 votes. That means  .001% of all wow players voted, but we all know that you don't have to play a game to vote here so....... I guess that blows your theory out of the water huh ?

    popularity of a game means everything, It's the true measure of what people think about the game. If people really hated it they wouldn't play it. Anonymous votes on some generic MMO site mean nothing.
  • GameloadingGameloading Member UncommonPosts: 14,182


    Originally posted by zaxtor99



    Originally posted by Gameloading
    The ratings have and never will be about quality. only about hype. a big part of Ryzom is free now, and hey, for free, its pretty nice game. The saga of ryzom is pretty deep, but Ryzom also proves that depth doesn't always mean its fun. Ryzom is, imo, a very, very, VERY boring game. World of Warcraft beats The saga of Ryzom any day.



    The ratings are only about hype?? You gonna sit back and tell me that the 55% of all mmo players who are subscribed to WoW don't ever come to this website and hype the hell out of WoW??? WoW has a HELLUVA LOT MORE "hype" then does SoR, don't be ridiculous.

    Ryzom is boring eh? To who? To you who thinks that you must be able to advance atleast 5 levels per day or it's "boring"? Perhaps some players prefer content and the actual quality of gameplay over how fast you can level up. I can understand how you could percieve it as boring. You probably also think that camping and talking a walk is also boring... 'cuz if you aren't driving a car at 85 mph.. my god is it boring, huh?

    You say that WoW beats SoR anyday. You and 6.5 million others. I'm glad you all agree. But popularity never equals quality. Thus the fact that SoR now has a higher rating. And don't give me that fanboy of other games hyping up other games and bashing WoW crap either. Look at all the WoW fanboys doing that same for WoW. ..Giving WoW ridiculous ratings and bashing any game that is not "WoW", even if they never played it.

    The ratings on this website tell a HELL of a LOT more about a games overall quality then does the number of people playing that game. WoW has 6.5 million+ subscribers and has an 8.1 here. Asheron's Call has 10,000 subscribers and also has an 8.1 score. Asheron's Call is very old compared to WoW. The graphics for WoW get close to a 9 rating, while AC has about a 7. That means that AC is getting better ratings then does WoW in areas like "Value" and "Fun" to make up for it's lack of graphics score and still get the same overall score. There is a good reason for that. You could take my example here for about any high rated game VS WoW. There is a reason that other games are rated higher.. or that older games are rated equal to WoW. The reason is ratings are just that. Overall average ratings where popularity means nothing. And popularity shouldn't mean anything. Just the way it should be.

    I would agree that EVERY game rated above WoW deserves it. EvE IS better. SoR is better. DAoC is a better game. I know you disagree. Here is the mentality of why WoW fans think WoW is the best: "WoW is the bested game ever cuz my 8 yr old cousin plays it! And so does Freddy and he's 5! And he's cool! And so does Wilma Sue who is retarded and 7 years old! And 6.5 million other people! So it gotta be the bestest ever!"

    How many times and how many examples to we have to give to show you fools that popularity of something means absolutely NOTHING. Overall average ratings from everyone DOES actually mean a lot more, reglardless of you may think. In the end, no matter how you slice it, the ratings on this website do mean much more then popularity polls. That's because they are "averaged" and extreme rating cut to show overall games values of players... not simpy based on who can scream the loudest. There's no doubt that 6.5 million WoW fans can scream louder then 60,000 SoR fans. They can scream about 100 times louder in fact. but that doesn't mean that WoW is 100 times better game. You WoW fans will just never get that part will you?


    - Zaxx



    when I refer to WoW's succes, I am not only talking about the 6.5 million people
    the press average of WoW is a wooping 9.3, no other MMO has made such a great score.
    the 6.5 million subscribers, the fact that WoW has more players then anything else, PROVES that those proffesionals were RIGHT. it IS a fun game. fun, something thats lacking in SoR and EVE.

    oh and for your information, WoW may be the most popular game, its also the most hated game, BECAUSE of its popularity.
    EVE is NOT better. SoR is NOT better. the proffesionals have spoken, and most people agree. I rather trust the people who know what they are talking about, who are paid to have unbiased oppinion and make real reviews then the biased crappy voting system on mmorpg.com

    facts:

    WoW is the best mmorpg according to Proffesionals
    The majority of MMORPG players agree with this and pay 15$ a month for it.

    you may have a diffrent oppinion, sure. but the majority don't agree with you, including those who know what they are talking about.

    and this is what you haters fail to understand. Sure it may be a game that you don't like, but that doesn't make the game your currently playing is better then WoW. you don't understand that your oppinion isn't anything more then your oppinion .
  • katriellkatriell Member UncommonPosts: 977

    "I rather trust the people who know what they are talking about, who are paid to have unbiased oppinion and make real reviews then the biased crappy voting system on mmorpg.com"

    I rather trust no one but myself.

    I don't give a tenth of a flying shit what the majority thinks, to be blunt.

    In any case, WoW might be a better game in some ways for some people. But when it comes to depth, complexity, and meaningfulness, Ryzom beats it to a bloody pulp and leaves it in the sewer. Not everyone appreciates depth, though. It is true that Ryzom does not have as wide appeal as WoW, and thank goodness for that! As a niche game it is blessed with an excellent, although small, community. And I'd take a good small community over a bad large one such as WoW has any day.

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  • GameloadingGameloading Member UncommonPosts: 14,182


    Originally posted by katriell

    "I rather trust the people who know what they are talking about, who are paid to have unbiased oppinion and make real reviews then the biased crappy voting system on mmorpg.com"
    I rather trust no one but myself.
    I don't give a tenth of a flying shit what the majority thinks, to be blunt.
    In any case, WoW might be a better game in some ways for some people. But when it comes to depth, complexity, and meaningfulness, Ryzom beats it to a bloody pulp and leaves it in the sewer. Not everyone appreciates depth, though. It is true that Ryzom does not have as wide appeal as WoW, and thank goodness for that! As a niche game it is blessed with an excellent, although small, community. And I'd take a good small community over a bad large one such as WoW has any day.


    and thats something I have been saying all along. You should always play what YOU like. you shouldn't follow the mass. but just because your playing Game A  doesn't mean that your game is better then game B.

    sure, saga of Ryzom has more depth. but Depth doesn't always means its more fun. WoW is just simply based on fun. no "complicated" crafting system and no long learning curve. just fun right from the start.
  • AphexAphex Member Posts: 194


    Originally posted by zaxtor99


    Originally posted by Gameloading
    The ratings have and never will be about quality. only about hype. a big part of Ryzom is free now, and hey, for free, its pretty nice game. The saga of ryzom is pretty deep, but Ryzom also proves that depth doesn't always mean its fun. Ryzom is, imo, a very, very, VERY boring game. World of Warcraft beats The saga of Ryzom any day.

    The ratings are only about hype?? You gonna sit back and tell me that the 55% of all mmo players who are subscribed to WoW don't ever come to this website and hype the hell out of WoW??? WoW has a HELLUVA LOT MORE "hype" then does SoR, don't be ridiculous.

    Ryzom is boring eh? To who? To you who thinks that you must be able to advance atleast 5 levels per day or it's "boring"? Perhaps some players prefer content and the actual quality of gameplay over how fast you can level up. I can understand how you could percieve it as boring. You probably also think that camping and talking a walk is also boring... 'cuz if you aren't driving a car at 85 mph.. my god is it boring, huh?

    You say that WoW beats SoR anyday. You and 6.5 million others. I'm glad you all agree. But popularity never equals quality. Thus the fact that SoR now has a higher rating. And don't give me that fanboy of other games hyping up other games and bashing WoW crap either. Look at all the WoW fanboys doing that same for WoW. ..Giving WoW ridiculous ratings and bashing any game that is not "WoW", even if they never played it.

    The ratings on this website tell a HELL of a LOT more about a games overall quality then does the number of people playing that game. WoW has 6.5 million+ subscribers and has an 8.1 here. Asheron's Call has 10,000 subscribers and also has an 8.1 score. Asheron's Call is very old compared to WoW. The graphics for WoW get close to a 9 rating, while AC has about a 7. That means that AC is getting better ratings then does WoW in areas like "Value" and "Fun" to make up for it's lack of graphics score and still get the same overall score. There is a good reason for that. You could take my example here for about any high rated game VS WoW. There is a reason that other games are rated higher.. or that older games are rated equal to WoW. The reason is ratings are just that. Overall average ratings where popularity means nothing. And popularity shouldn't mean anything. Just the way it should be.

    I would agree that EVERY game rated above WoW deserves it. EvE IS better. SoR is better. DAoC is a better game. I know you disagree. Here is the mentality of why WoW fans think WoW is the best: "WoW is the bested game ever cuz my 8 yr old cousin plays it! And so does Freddy and he's 5! And he's cool! And so does Wilma Sue who is retarded and 7 years old! And 6.5 million other people! So it gotta be the bestest ever!"

    How many times and how many examples to we have to give to show you fools that popularity of something means absolutely NOTHING. Overall average ratings from everyone DOES actually mean a lot more, reglardless of you may think. In the end, no matter how you slice it, the ratings on this website do mean much more then popularity polls. That's because they are "averaged" and extreme rating cut to show overall games values of players... not simpy based on who can scream the loudest. There's no doubt that 6.5 million WoW fans can scream louder then 60,000 SoR fans. They can scream about 100 times louder in fact. but that doesn't mean that WoW is 100 times better game. You WoW fans will just never get that part will you?


    - Zaxx


    Sorry Zaxx, but at the moment you start ranting as if all players of WoW are retarded, you pretty much lost the argument. Its too cheap too dismiss people with other opinions as stupid.

    I've tried Ryzom as well, and while it was fun for me for a few hours, I can't imagine that it would keep me interested for long. The only thing that I truly enjoyed about the game were the creatures that seemed to have a personality.

    The crafting, which is seen as Ryzoms strongest point, didn't interest me at all. Especially the gathering just felt tedious and weird. Funny enoug, WoW, a game thats always criticized for its weak crafting did that part better. In Ryzom there seems to be no logic about where materials are located. You can find some cloth or iron at exactly the same spot, which makes no sense at all too me.

    At least in WoW materials are found at logical places. There are herbs that only grow near rivers or in grassy fields, ores are found on the sides of hills and mountains, etc.

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