Originally posted by hargrave LOL you want to get techinical about stolen codes lets talk about bill gates and windows itself lmao. He stole the code from apple. So excuse me if i dont cry a river for poor SOE/LA who are such an honest upfront company. This is there own fault and even know they still dont catch on.
Um, apple? Microsoft?
Nah. Gates is too smart to steal.
Windows wasn't stolen. If you're referring to Lisa, then it wasn't stolen. To give a more common example, Internet explorer wasn't stolen from Netscape. There's nothing more to be said here.
Originally posted by hargrave I do recall though the Galaxy report emu guy saying we were supose to be able to play on a dummy server but i dont see how or where to go to do it?
It's not quite so simple as that. Right now you can compile the code - there are some guides on SWGEmu's forum - but it's meant to be released to coders only. The worlds are there, but it's empty of NPC spawns and anything that isn't static. And combat isn't working yet.
Originally posted by maxanto Originally posted by Force_choke Since the code went open source, do you think this will affect SOEs stance on pre cu servers?
It is not open source, it is stolen code... please remember there is a huge difference from what these guys pirated and what open source is.
Open source is code publically given that was created from scratch... These guys have publically asked people to send them data packets from old SWG clients.... So how is this open source?
hehe U must be or know someone who works at SOE... well No matter anyways, cuzz Its out there and there is nothing u guys can do
Originally posted by maxanto Originally posted by Force_choke Since the code went open source, do you think this will affect SOEs stance on pre cu servers?
It is not open source, it is stolen code... please remember there is a huge difference from what these guys pirated and what open source is.
Open source is code publically given that was created from scratch... These guys have publically asked people to send them data packets from old SWG clients.... So how is this open source?
Does that mean that each and every ISP and network operator in the world is stealing entire online property?
Because they log packets that pass through. Even worse, by requirements of TCP/IP, the even decode parts of it. And OMG, this is happening at every single router in the entire internet.
Run, run for the hills.
Unfortunately, your understanding of terms is lacking.
Originally posted by maxanto Originally posted by Force_choke Since the code went open source, do you think this will affect SOEs stance on pre cu servers?
It is not open source, it is stolen code... please remember there is a huge difference from what these guys pirated and what open source is.
Open source is code publically given that was created from scratch... These guys have publically asked people to send them data packets from old SWG clients.... So how is this open source?
SAMBA is a great example of an Open Source product to provide SMB compatibilty to non-Windows systems. It was certainly code from scrach using observations from "packet sniffing" SMB. The code of SAMBA, however, is its own dirivative work. WINE is another example of an Open Source product that provides windows compatibility on non-Windows system. In fact, you can maximize compatibility by using licensed copy of Windows instead of Wines implementation. Both of these are open source that are not "pirated".
So, now that you have a couple of great examples, lets talk about what pirating is:
It is taking a companies Binaries and replicating them verbatim against there copyright policies and applicable law.
What these folks have opened sourced is their server software that is a derivative work that emulates a preCU server. So, they have not pirated a thing and please stop saying they have when in fact they have not. I know some of these distinctions are hard for some of you to grasp, creating a preCU emulation is not illegal.
Originally posted by maxanto Originally posted by Kylrathin Originally posted by maxanto Originally posted by oreyi
The data packets were necessary to understand the languaje between the clients and the servers. Once they learnt it they made the same responses through a different set of commands. I think it's called reverse engineering. They have not copied any code because for that they should steal the damned server (which by the way has been offline since april of 2005) or the source code from SoE.
Oreyi can you learn how to use the quote feature here properly please.
Reverse enginering is a euphemism for stolen. If it is not written from scratch then it is stolen. Black and white.
The code WAS written from scratch. If any of it resembles SOE's server-side code, it's purely functional and coincidental. They did not have access to SOE's server source. Nobody but SOE does. They did, however, have access to packet traces which explain the language the client and server used to talk to each other. The part you pay for is the client, which they tell everyone you should pay for (and you should). Illegal SWG client downloads are not going to be supported. You have to buy SOE's software to make this work... if you don't, you cannot play, plain and simple.
I took this as evidense from their own forum:
"I think they got all the .tre files they could ever use right from SOE lol."
Next question?
I'm not questioning anything. I seem to understand things a little better than you do. The TRE files, as many others have pointed out, are client-side. They are not modifying existing TREs, but people will be able to create their own at some point. The TREs are not the core client that you buy, in any case.
Originally posted by Rekrul Originally posted by hargrave LOL you want to get techinical about stolen codes lets talk about bill gates and windows itself lmao. He stole the code from apple. So excuse me if i dont cry a river for poor SOE/LA who are such an honest upfront company. This is there own fault and even know they still dont catch on.
Um, apple? Microsoft?
Nah. Gates is too smart to steal.
Windows wasn't stolen. If you're referring to Lisa, then it wasn't stolen. To give a more common example, Internet explorer wasn't stolen from Netscape. There's nothing more to be said here.
Windows and Lisa/MACos both came out of the PARC research done at Xerox during the 1970s. Even X-Window used by SunOS/Solaris, Linux, UNIX, etc etc was influenced by PARC.
Windows, priror to 95, was derived from the Motif Toolkit that was implemented by X-Window as well. This was when IBM and Windows were in bed together during the late 80s.
So, while Bill Gates is evil, he isn't evil for stealing Windows from Apple.
Originally posted by maxanto Originally posted by oreyi
The data packets were necessary to understand the languaje between the clients and the servers. Once they learnt it they made the same responses through a different set of commands. I think it's called reverse engineering. They have not copied any code because for that they should steal the damned server (which by the way has been offline since april of 2005) or the source code from SoE.
Oreyi can you learn how to use the quote feature here properly please.
Reverse enginering is a euphemism for stolen. If it is not written from scratch then it is stolen. Black and white.
Please see my response above. You are quite incorrect. To reverse engineer the code would require access to the binaries which they don't have as far as anyone knows, the server software was never released to the public. Examining how the client and server talk over a public network as a reverse engineering technique is not illicit and doesn't make the resulting open source server "stolen" simply being based on these communications. SAMBA and WINE are two very well understood examples of why you are wrong. I suggest you study that history to understand the why the EMU can open source their effort.
Originally posted by maxanto Originally posted by OssirisWard
Originally posted by maxanto Reverse enginering is a euphemism for stolen. If it is not written from scratch then it is stolen. Black and white.
Max baby, Please refrain from posting ignorant and ill informed comments such as this....Reverse engineering is not a new process and is used all the time. Reverse engineering (RE) is the process of discovering the technological principles of a mechanical application through analysis of its structure, function and operation. It often involves taking something (e.g., a mechanical device, an electronic component, a softewaresoftware program) apart and analyzing its workings in detail, usually with the intention to construct a new device or program that does the same thing without actually copying anything from the original.
I am not your baby, sorry to squash your dreams.
Since they are using TRE's from SOE they are in fact NOT RE'ing anything but stealing
So OssirisWard please tell me how taking TRE' files is not theft?
The .Tre files are client side even the client patches are client side <-- this is all client (you already have them) the server dont need these patches to do its job (serve) - you do need certain patches if your going to use it for SWG but the server code isnt dependant on this.
Is it O.K. for SOE to "STEAL" blizzards hard work & put it in SWG - but when some-one else does it it's completly different (needs grip on reality).
Originally posted by Wildcat84 Originally posted by scaramoosh I cant be bothered with it all it says is servers unavalible
It's not playable yet. The devs went out of their way to SAY that it's not playable yet. This is a development code release for the purpose of getting more people on board to help.
The game is at least 2-3 monts from having the basic systems in and playable, but that can get to be shorter based on how many capable coders help.
At the latest we have private pre-CU servers up with a playable game by late fall/early winter. Anyone want to bet that the emulator is going before or after they get the profession revamps done in NGE?
i have forseen that you may be right, plus it would be better then the NGEC (new game enhancement crap)
Originally posted by maxanto Originally posted by Force_choke Since the code went open source, do you think this will affect SOEs stance on pre cu servers?
It is not open source, it is stolen code... please remember there is a huge difference from what these guys pirated and what open source is.
Open source is code publically given that was created from scratch... These guys have publically asked people to send them data packets from old SWG clients.... So how is this open source?
Maxanto, you are clearly uninformed about what Open Source. How can you even use a keyboard and mouse????? Try taking a look at {Free,Net,Open}BSD and its History with AT&T and then UNIX Labs. Heck, even look at the lack of Success of SCO over Linux (same war, different battle). The lack of success comes from the honest implementation of public ideas.
Both of these OSes re-implemented from scratch seminal OS ideas. And neither has been defeated in Court. Sure, UC had to revise slightly, the core they released, but Bill Joy gave birth to i386 BSD which lead to the current branchs of Net,Open and FreeBSD. And Linux, geeze, the clooses thing Linux shares with the original source is Tanabaum's MINIX.
So, before you go defining Open Source Software and how it is engineered from existing ideas, do yourself a favor and review the history of such things.
Originally posted by maxanto Originally posted by Force_choke Since the code went open source, do you think this will affect SOEs stance on pre cu servers?
It is not open source, it is stolen code... please remember there is a huge difference from what these guys pirated and what open source is.
Open source is code publically given that was created from scratch... These guys have publically asked people to send them data packets from old SWG clients.... So how is this open source?
a) you really shouldn't post when you have no idea what your on about
b) its not stolen its actually no where near SOE's code, its a new seperate entity which they reverse engineered i.e. coded themselves. It does not contain any coding which SOE has created.
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Originally posted by Sempayw it should do with time, when people who code start working on it. In my job there are 12 people who all played SWG and miss PRE-CU. We develop software C++ BASED vs Oracle Data Base. Yesterday after work we went to drink some beers after finishing a 1 year project and talked about this Emu code going out, and we all agreed " it is a pity we have so much work cause if we hadnt sure when we arrived home we would start studying to help code that open source code; but of course after having coded at work for so many hours sure when you arrive home you dont feel like coding again hehehe (besides wife,children,cat etc etc...) But sure there will be people with enough knowledge of C++ AND DataBases who will try help the EMU code. it is just a matter of time for more people to join coding and working on that code. To tell you the truth I dont know untill where this all will get to,cause it depends of many things but as I say "Union makes the force". I wish EMU team succeed ,at least to a point where they can harm SOE. Smed said: "You need to know SQL " I say: ROFL
WTF i carnt belive that, you've got to be joking right? thats soo funny lol
Originally posted by viadi Originally posted by Sempayw Smed said: "You need to know SQL " I say: ROFLWTF i carnt belive that, you've got to be joking right? thats soo funny lol
Well I think he actually said something to the effect that you'd have to know how to code for and administer an Oracle DB. Which is also a SQL DB just like all DBs that are worth anything. He still looks like an ass for saying something like that, makes him look like such a noob. I want to know what he has to say now.
Originally posted by Rabia Originally posted by maxanto Originally posted by Force_choke Since the code went open source, do you think this will affect SOEs stance on pre cu servers?
It is not open source, it is stolen code... please remember there is a huge difference from what these guys pirated and what open source is.
Open source is code publically given that was created from scratch... These guys have publically asked people to send them data packets from old SWG clients.... So how is this open source?
Maxanto, you are clearly uninformed about what Open Source. How can you even use a keyboard and mouse????? Try taking a look at {Free,Net,Open}BSD and its History with AT&T and then UNIX Labs. Heck, even look at the lack of Success of SCO over Linux (same war, different battle). The lack of success comes from the honest implementation of public ideas.
Both of these OSes re-implemented from scratch seminal OS ideas. And neither has been defeated in Court. Sure, UC had to revise slightly, the core they released, but Bill Joy gave birth to i386 BSD which lead to the current branchs of Net,Open and FreeBSD. And Linux, geeze, the clooses thing Linux shares with the original source is Tanabaum's MINIX.
So, before you go defining Open Source Software and how it is engineered from existing ideas, do yourself a favor and review the history of such things.
I am not going to discuss this subject any further as it is against MMORPG's policies. However for all of you deluded people considering how I work with and in an open source enviroment I sure as hell do know what it is. If you all wish to delude yourselves into thinking this isn't theft go right on thinking that.
I refuse to argue with ignorant people talking out of their rear-ends.
Originally posted by maxanto I am not going to discuss this subject any further as it is against MMORPG's policies. However for all of you deluded people considering how I work with and in an open source enviroment I sure as hell do know what it is. If you all wish to delude yourselves into thinking this isn't theft go right on thinking that.
I refuse to argue with ignorant people talking out of their rear-ends.
I am also reporting this thread.
Translation: "I'm taking my toys and I'm going home!! And I'm telling mommy!!!" Grow up Maxanto, I've been proven wrong before(just said that to make you feel better) Report away, there's nothing wrong with this thread and the healthy discussion it brings.
Translation: "I'm taking my toys and I'm going home!! And I'm telling mommy!!!"
Grow up Maxanto, I've been proven wrong before(just said that to make you feel better) Report away, there's nothing wrong with this thread and the healthy discussion it brings.
Originally posted by viadi Originally posted by Sempayw
Smed said: "You need to know SQL " I say: ROFL WTF i carnt belive that, you've got to be joking right? thats soo funny lol
Well I think he actually said something to the effect that you'd have to know how to code for and administer an Oracle DB. Which is also a SQL DB just like all DBs that are worth anything. He still looks like an ass for saying something like that, makes him look like such a noob. I want to know what he has to say now.
The quote was something along the lines of: "You better know SQL pretty darn well".
Almost entire SWG server code is written in the database itself, so yes, in order to do anything of use, you need to be intimately familiar with SQL. Moreso than with C++ or other languages. Those are just low level code.
So if you're leet with all details of C++, but don't know SQL beyond SELECT and INSERT in MySQL, then you wouldn't be of much use.
Nice! Did you learn your impressive posting techniques at the School for Flamers: Posting 101?
I am very grown up thanks. However trying to talk some sense into some of you is a waste of my time. Flame me all you want it only proves my point at the c rowd I am dealing with. Since the discussion of free servers is against the rules this thread will be deleted soon enough.
Originally posted by maxanto I am very grown up thanks. However trying to talk some sense into some of you is a waste of my time. Flame me all you want it only proves my point at the c rowd I am dealing with. Since the discussion of free servers is against the rules this thread will be deleted soon enough.
I went through the thread, and there's no mention of free servers anywhere, nor is it in violation of mmorpg TOS. It's an exchange of opinions regarding SWG.
And yes, this is discussion. This means, people may disagree with your opinion.
Originally posted by maxanto Nice! Did you learn your impressive posting techniques at the School for Flamers: Posting 101? I am very grown up thanks. However trying to talk some sense into some of you is a waste of my time. Flame me all you want it only proves my point at the c rowd I am dealing with. Since the discussion of free servers is against the rules this thread will be deleted soon enough. Have a nice day and flame on!
Your post make you look like a 13 yr. old with an axe to grind. I doubt you have anything to do with open source software, save maybe having linux installed on your computer.
If you need any stuff I have the original disc, from the day it came out... I bought the Collectors Edition that was like 80$ lol I still have everything in it hehe.... Bah who cares about stealing, you download music on Limewire all the time, just dont worry about it.... Dont say a word so these boys get in trouble they are doing us a favor, we should do them by keep our mouths shut...
I went through the thread, and there's no mention of free servers anywhere, nor is it in violation of mmorpg TOS. It's an exchange of opinions regarding SWG.
Currently this thread is not breaking our Rules of Conduct. While it is borderline it is still in the realm of "proper discussion".
Discussing the legalities of free servers is not against our RoC; however, if a link is posted or if a site is named that is hosting an emu, the poster will be banned. No warnings.
The posting of links regarding emus is becoming a bit of a problem. This falls under our category of "major infractions" which deserves no warnings, but an immediate ban.
Originally posted by johnyspiper If you need any stuff I have the original disc, from the day it came out... I bought the Collectors Edition that was like 80$ lol I still have everything in it hehe.... Bah who cares about stealing, you download music on Limewire all the time, just dont worry about it.... Dont say a word so these boys get in trouble they are doing us a favor, we should do them by keep our mouths shut...
They're not stealing anything. Don't believe the fanbois.
Originally posted by maxanto Nice! Did you learn your impressive posting techniques at the School for Flamers: Posting 101?
I am very grown up thanks. However trying to talk some sense into some of you is a waste of my time. Flame me all you want it only proves my point at the c rowd I am dealing with. Since the discussion of free servers is against the rules this thread will be deleted soon enough.
Have a nice day and flame on!
If developing a server emulator to talk to a legally purchased SWG client is illegal, then how come the guys who develop the Linux kernel (reverse engineered Unix), guys who wrote SAMBA (reverse engineered Windows server emulator) not in prison, but are part of a multi billion dollar server industry?
SAMBA costs Microsoft money, yet there is nothing illegal about it. There is no such thing as a RIGHT to profit.
Microsoft has EULA's prohibiting reverse engineering too. Guess what, it's not worth the electrons its printed on because the law allows reverse engineering, always has, always will, or American innovation will cease to be...
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Nah. Gates is too smart to steal.
Windows wasn't stolen. If you're referring to Lisa, then it wasn't stolen. To give a more common example, Internet explorer wasn't stolen from Netscape. There's nothing more to be said here.
But it's a good start.
I answer rehtorical questions.
Open source is code publically given that was created from scratch... These guys have publically asked people to send them data packets from old SWG clients.... So how is this open source?
hehe U must be or know someone who works at SOE... well No matter anyways, cuzz Its out there and there is nothing u guys can do
Open source is code publically given that was created from scratch... These guys have publically asked people to send them data packets from old SWG clients.... So how is this open source?
Does that mean that each and every ISP and network operator in the world is stealing entire online property?
Because they log packets that pass through. Even worse, by requirements of TCP/IP, the even decode parts of it. And OMG, this is happening at every single router in the entire internet.
Run, run for the hills.
Unfortunately, your understanding of terms is lacking.
Open source is code publically given that was created from scratch... These guys have publically asked people to send them data packets from old SWG clients.... So how is this open source?
SAMBA is a great example of an Open Source product to provide SMB compatibilty to non-Windows systems. It was certainly code from scrach using observations from "packet sniffing" SMB. The code of SAMBA, however, is its own dirivative work. WINE is another example of an Open Source product that provides windows compatibility on non-Windows system. In fact, you can maximize compatibility by using licensed copy of Windows instead of Wines implementation. Both of these are open source that are not "pirated".
So, now that you have a couple of great examples, lets talk about what pirating is:
It is taking a companies Binaries and replicating them verbatim against there copyright policies
and applicable law.
What these folks have opened sourced is their server software that is a derivative work that emulates a preCU server. So, they have not pirated a thing and please stop saying they have when in fact they have not. I know some of these distinctions are hard for some of you to grasp, creating a preCU emulation is not illegal.
Reverse enginering is a euphemism for stolen. If it is not written from scratch then it is stolen. Black and white.
The code WAS written from scratch. If any of it resembles SOE's server-side code, it's purely functional and coincidental. They did not have access to SOE's server source. Nobody but SOE does. They did, however, have access to packet traces which explain the language the client and server used to talk to each other. The part you pay for is the client, which they tell everyone you should pay for (and you should). Illegal SWG client downloads are not going to be supported. You have to buy SOE's software to make this work... if you don't, you cannot play, plain and simple.
I took this as evidense from their own forum:
"I think they got all the .tre files they could ever use right from SOE lol."
Next question?
I'm not questioning anything. I seem to understand things a little better than you do. The TRE files, as many others have pointed out, are client-side. They are not modifying existing TREs, but people will be able to create their own at some point. The TREs are not the core client that you buy, in any case.
There's a sucker born every minute. - P.T. Barnum
Nah. Gates is too smart to steal.
Windows wasn't stolen. If you're referring to Lisa, then it wasn't stolen. To give a more common example, Internet explorer wasn't stolen from Netscape. There's nothing more to be said here.
Windows and Lisa/MACos both came out of the PARC research done at Xerox during the 1970s.
Even X-Window used by SunOS/Solaris, Linux, UNIX, etc etc was influenced by PARC.
Windows, priror to 95, was derived from the Motif Toolkit that was implemented by X-Window as well. This was when IBM and Windows were in bed together during the late 80s.
So, while Bill Gates is evil, he isn't evil for stealing Windows from Apple.
Reverse enginering is a euphemism for stolen. If it is not written from scratch then it is stolen. Black and white.
Please see my response above. You are quite incorrect. To reverse engineer the code would require access to the binaries which they don't have as far as anyone knows, the server software was never released to the public. Examining how the client and server talk over a public network as a reverse engineering technique is not illicit and doesn't make the resulting open source server "stolen" simply being based on these communications. SAMBA and WINE are two very well understood examples of why you are wrong. I suggest you study that history to understand the why the EMU can open source their effort.
I am not your baby, sorry to squash your dreams.
Since they are using TRE's from SOE they are in fact NOT RE'ing anything but stealing
So OssirisWard please tell me how taking TRE' files is not theft?
The .Tre files are client side even the client patches are client side <-- this is all client (you already have them) the server dont need these patches to do its job (serve) - you do need certain patches if your going to use it for SWG but the server code isnt dependant on this.
Is it O.K. for SOE to "STEAL" blizzards hard work & put it in SWG - but when some-one else does it it's completly different
(needs grip on reality).
The game is at least 2-3 monts from having the basic systems in and playable, but that can get to be shorter based on how many capable coders help.
At the latest we have private pre-CU servers up with a playable game by late fall/early winter. Anyone want to bet that the emulator is going before or after they get the profession revamps done in NGE?
i have forseen that you may be right, plus it would be better then the NGEC (new game enhancement crap)
Open source is code publically given that was created from scratch... These guys have publically asked people to send them data packets from old SWG clients.... So how is this open source?
Maxanto, you are clearly uninformed about what Open Source. How can you even use a keyboard and mouse????? Try taking a look at {Free,Net,Open}BSD and its History with AT&T and then UNIX Labs. Heck, even look at the lack of Success of SCO over Linux (same war, different battle). The lack of success comes from the honest implementation of public ideas.
Both of these OSes re-implemented from scratch seminal OS ideas. And neither has been defeated in Court.
Sure, UC had to revise slightly, the core they released, but Bill Joy gave birth to i386 BSD which lead to the current branchs of Net,Open and FreeBSD. And Linux, geeze, the clooses thing Linux shares with the original source is Tanabaum's MINIX.
So, before you go defining Open Source Software and how it is engineered from existing ideas, do yourself a favor and review the history of such things.
Open source is code publically given that was created from scratch... These guys have publically asked people to send them data packets from old SWG clients.... So how is this open source?
a) you really shouldn't post when you have no idea what your on about
b) its not stolen its actually no where near SOE's code, its a new seperate entity which they reverse engineered i.e. coded themselves. It does not contain any coding which SOE has created.
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Well I think he actually said something to the effect that you'd have to know how to code for and administer an Oracle DB. Which is also a SQL DB just like all DBs that are worth anything. He still looks like an ass for saying something like that, makes him look like such a noob. I want to know what he has to say now.
Open source is code publically given that was created from scratch... These guys have publically asked people to send them data packets from old SWG clients.... So how is this open source?
Maxanto, you are clearly uninformed about what Open Source. How can you even use a keyboard and mouse????? Try taking a look at {Free,Net,Open}BSD and its History with AT&T and then UNIX Labs. Heck, even look at the lack of Success of SCO over Linux (same war, different battle). The lack of success comes from the honest implementation of public ideas.
Both of these OSes re-implemented from scratch seminal OS ideas. And neither has been defeated in Court.
Sure, UC had to revise slightly, the core they released, but Bill Joy gave birth to i386 BSD which lead to the current branchs of Net,Open and FreeBSD. And Linux, geeze, the clooses thing Linux shares with the original source is Tanabaum's MINIX.
So, before you go defining Open Source Software and how it is engineered from existing ideas, do yourself a favor and review the history of such things.
I am not going to discuss this subject any further as it is against MMORPG's policies. However for all of you deluded people considering how I work with and in an open source enviroment I sure as hell do know what it is. If you all wish to delude yourselves into thinking this isn't theft go right on thinking that.
I refuse to argue with ignorant people talking out of their rear-ends.
I am also reporting this thread.
Translation: "I'm taking my toys and I'm going home!! And I'm telling mommy!!!"
Grow up Maxanto, I've been proven wrong before(just said that to make you feel better
) Report away, there's nothing wrong with this thread and the healthy discussion it brings.
Well I think he actually said something to the effect that you'd have to know how to code for and administer an Oracle DB. Which is also a SQL DB just like all DBs that are worth anything. He still looks like an ass for saying something like that, makes him look like such a noob. I want to know what he has to say now.
The quote was something along the lines of: "You better know SQL pretty darn well".
Almost entire SWG server code is written in the database itself, so yes, in order to do anything of use, you need to be intimately familiar with SQL. Moreso than with C++ or other languages. Those are just low level code.
So if you're leet with all details of C++, but don't know SQL beyond SELECT and INSERT in MySQL, then you wouldn't be of much use.
I am very grown up thanks. However trying to talk some sense into some of you is a waste of my time. Flame me all you want it only proves my point at the c rowd I am dealing with. Since the discussion of free servers is against the rules this thread will be deleted soon enough.
Have a nice day and flame on!
And yes, this is discussion. This means, people may disagree with your opinion.
Your post make you look like a 13 yr. old with an axe to grind. I doubt you have anything to do with open source software, save maybe having linux installed on your computer.
Currently this thread is not breaking our Rules of Conduct. While it is borderline it is still in the realm of "proper discussion".
Discussing the legalities of free servers is not against our RoC; however, if a link is posted or if a site is named that is hosting an emu, the poster will be banned. No warnings.
The posting of links regarding emus is becoming a bit of a problem. This falls under our category of "major infractions" which deserves no warnings, but an immediate ban.
Hope this clears things up.
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They're not stealing anything. Don't believe the fanbois.
SAMBA costs Microsoft money, yet there is nothing illegal about it. There is no such thing as a RIGHT to profit.
Microsoft has EULA's prohibiting reverse engineering too. Guess what, it's not worth the electrons its printed on because the law allows reverse engineering, always has, always will, or American innovation will cease to be...