Israel attacks Lebanon, leaving many dead

Zyke · July 2006

Originally posted by Nerf09

Originally posted by vipjerry

Originally posted by Fariic

American extremists dont strap bombs to thier themselves and walk into the middle of a crowded market full of innocent people. American extremists dont kidnap civillians and soldiers and use them in an attept to free other extremists to that they have more men to strap bombs to themselves...

I hope its not all Americans that stupid. This article is 10 years old. http://www.twf.org/News/Y1997/Terrorism.html

Learn more about your history first.

Democrats love Timothy McVeigh. They say that they don't like him, but deep down inside and privately they thank Timothy McVeigh for giving them rhetorical ammunition to use against Israelis and Conservatives. Basically Timothy McVeigh gives Democrats strength as they conspire with Muslim terrorists.

Oh oh I know. All those Jewish democrats are all pro muslim and anti- Israel too! It's genius, it's just a big conspiracy. Every single Democrat is against Israel and pro-muslim, they're all traitors! Bastards!

We all know that every single Republican feels the exact opposite.

/sarcasm off.

Zyke · July 2006

Originally posted by Nerf09

Originally posted by Zyke

Originally posted by Bitey

Mabye this just me, but does anyone see the similarities between World War I start and the Israel-Lebanon conflict?
The proxy war, system of alliances, the longtime racial and religious tentions, terrorist groups starting a conflict resulting in the destruction of the host country, the "blank check" response of the most powerful of the alliances and the massive retaliations against the "offending" country as a whole without real ultimatums?

Nothing personal, but please not this again. If I had a (insert random small valued item) for everytime I had that, I'd have a lot more (insert item from above here) than I would ever know what to do with.

It's a regional conflict. This isn't the first, and I highly doubt it will be the last.

Pay no attention to these ignorant boobs Bitey.

Yes the similarities to ww1 is astounding.

Yeah...because all of these Middle Eastern are allied to major powers in the world. Genius!

Nerf09 · July 2006

Originally posted by baff

I'd take that "routinely hides amongst civilians" with a pinch of salt if I were you Zyke. I take everything a Democrat says, as a Satan induced lie.
They say the same about us on Al Jazeera. Our troops give out sweets to keep the kids close, You scum of the earth you will hear alot about mosques and schools being used by soldiers. You scum of the earth Take note that our own snipers take positions in schools because they are the most defensive buildings in the average village. You scum of the earth The most defensive buildings in most communties are churchs and schools. You scum of the earth They have room for large numbers of people and clear fields of fire. High points, thick walls and all the rest. Of course the usually omit to mention that there are no children in these schools at the time. IDF use family members for human shields when raiding peoples homes. Smart tactic, they tale a lot of prisoners this way.
If ever we blow up a civilian the enemy makes a great propaganda victory out of it.
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Only they are not the only ones who know to use propaganda to their advantage in war.
The pictures of Hisbollah rocket launches I saw on TV today were all outside centres of population. Unlike invading armies, those civilians our enemies are reputedly hiding behind are their own families. Be careful what you buy into. The media war is part of the battleplan.
It is one thing to hear this from the terrorist, it is an entirely different to hear another westerner parroting the terrorist propaganda. Treacherous scum of the earth.

Nerf09 · July 2006

Originally posted by Zyke

Originally posted by Nerf09

Originally posted by ThomasHolm

Originally posted by baff
...

Sneaking back on topic I have actually been quite impressed by Israeli discipline and targetting so far in this engagement. I'm not sure how long it will last but I thought they had recognisably not lost the plot so far. Of course this may degenerate over time, especially with the inclusion fo reservist troops at the frontline.

Personally I'm not too impressed. The destruction of the newly built Beirut Lighthouse on the Corniche, the Beirut harbour promenade, is a good example. No military function, says who? almost purely built as a sign of Beirut's renewal after decades of civil war and to serve its yacht harbour, yet the Israelis destroyed it on day one. They may claim dual-use (military and civilian), it doesn't fly for me. No offense, but the Left takes sides with the Muslims all the time, so I am going to assume you are a military hating Democrat (left). So therefore you are a Democrat second guessing military matters. I don't know what is funnier, Democrats taking sides with Muslims, Democrats giving scientific advice about scientific matters (Global Warming), or Democrats giving their opinions on military matters. It is known that Democrats study liberal arts and not science, it is known that Democrats would rather run to Canada then join the hated mlitary. If there is a constant in this world it is that you don't listen to hysterically emotionall people about logical and/or scientific matters. If Syria is supporting Hezbollah, they'd do so by land, not through a harbour that is watched by the Lebanese Chrstians and Druse as well. Same for Beiruts newly-built airport. Democrats theorizing about tactical matters, oooh, that smells.

As for the Israeli claims that they are warning the population to move away from the warzone, that too is both deeply ironic and border-line war crime. Ironic, for how exacly is the civilian population to withdraw into safety when the roads, railraods and bridges have been bombed to impassability? Border-line war crimes, because displacing civilians in war is illegal under the Geneva Conventions. Democrats theorizing about strategic military matters (holds nose). That stinks.

Terrorism is a crime., not an act-of-war. Arrest them, put them through the mills of justice like any other criminal and incarcerate them for life. Until the terrorists kidnap your soldiers and demand that you release the terrorists in your jails. By declaring them military targets you glorify them and their actions as brave resistance against whatever. By executing them you glorify them as martyrs for the faith.

I suggest (totally serious) we take these actions to make the Democrats wake the hell up. And if they don't wake up, well all is good, the world is better off without them.

1) Randomly shell DNC meeting areas with artillery.

2) Place IED's in DNC meeting areas, and blow up prominent Democrat cars.

3) Arrest Democrats and behead them.

I don't consider myself a Democrat or Republican, I vote for whoever seems to have the better candidate. You, however, are an idiot. You are a Democrat, nobody on the right would touch you with a 10 foot pole.

.

Zyke · July 2006

Originally posted by Nerf09

Originally posted by baff

I'd take that "routinely hides amongst civilians" with a pinch of salt if I were you Zyke. I take everything a Democrat says, as a Satan induced lie.
They say the same about us on Al Jazeera. Our troops give out sweets to keep the kids close, You scum of the earth you will hear alot about mosques and schools being used by soldiers. You scum of the earth Take note that our own snipers take positions in schools because they are the most defensive buildings in the average village. You scum of the earth The most defensive buildings in most communties are churchs and schools. You scum of the earth They have room for large numbers of people and clear fields of fire. High points, thick walls and all the rest. Of course the usually omit to mention that there are no children in these schools at the time. IDF use family members for human shields when raiding peoples homes. Smart tactic, they tale a lot of prisoners this way.
If ever we blow up a civilian the enemy makes a great propaganda victory out of it.
.
.
Only they are not the only ones who know to use propaganda to their advantage in war.
The pictures of Hisbollah rocket launches I saw on TV today were all outside centres of population. Unlike invading armies, those civilians our enemies are reputedly hiding behind are their own families. Be careful what you buy into. The media war is part of the battleplan.
It is one thing to hear this from the terrorist, it is an entirely different to hear another westerner parroting the terrorist propaganda. Treacherous scum of the earth.

Nerf, you're stupidity and narrow mindedness is shocking me, and I read a lot of forums. Did some democrat murder you're family and beat you 'till the brink of death, or are you just uneducated and ignorant beyond understanding?

Baff is by no means at all spouting anything anti-American or pro-terrorist, he's sharing information. No where does it say that he believes the terrorists are right and that American is wrong. He's letting us know what those on the other side of the coin see.

Information is good, whether it's the stuff that agrees with you or not.

Please leave this discussion unless you plan to post intelligently, if that's possible for you. You're waisting forum space that could otherwise be used in a constructive way.

Nerf09 · July 2006

Originally posted by Zyke

Originally posted by Nerf09

Originally posted by vipjerry

Originally posted by Fariic

American extremists dont strap bombs to thier themselves and walk into the middle of a crowded market full of innocent people. American extremists dont kidnap civillians and soldiers and use them in an attept to free other extremists to that they have more men to strap bombs to themselves...

I hope its not all Americans that stupid. This article is 10 years old. http://www.twf.org/News/Y1997/Terrorism.html

Learn more about your history first.

Democrats love Timothy McVeigh. They say that they don't like him, but deep down inside and privately they thank Timothy McVeigh for giving them rhetorical ammunition to use against Israelis and Conservatives. Basically Timothy McVeigh gives Democrats strength as they conspire with Muslim terrorists.

Oh oh I know. All those Jewish democrats are all pro muslim and anti- Israel too! It's genius, it's just a big conspiracy. Every single Democrat is against Israel and pro-muslim, they're all traitors! Bastards!

We all know that every single Republican feels the exact opposite.

/sarcasm off.

Democrats think purely in terms of ethnicity, and rich vs. poor. What did I say? "Democrats are all racists."

Hitler (Nazis), like the Democrats, think purely in terms of ethnicity. That is why the Hitler (Nazis(Democrats)) equated Jews with Communism. If your a Jew, your a Communist. This is also how Democrats think.

Zyke · July 2006

Originally posted by Nerf09

Originally posted by Zyke

Originally posted by Nerf09

Originally posted by ThomasHolm

Originally posted by baff
...

Sneaking back on topic I have actually been quite impressed by Israeli discipline and targetting so far in this engagement. I'm not sure how long it will last but I thought they had recognisably not lost the plot so far. Of course this may degenerate over time, especially with the inclusion fo reservist troops at the frontline.

Personally I'm not too impressed. The destruction of the newly built Beirut Lighthouse on the Corniche, the Beirut harbour promenade, is a good example. No military function, says who? almost purely built as a sign of Beirut's renewal after decades of civil war and to serve its yacht harbour, yet the Israelis destroyed it on day one. They may claim dual-use (military and civilian), it doesn't fly for me. No offense, but the Left takes sides with the Muslims all the time, so I am going to assume you are a military hating Democrat (left). So therefore you are a Democrat second guessing military matters. I don't know what is funnier, Democrats taking sides with Muslims, Democrats giving scientific advice about scientific matters (Global Warming), or Democrats giving their opinions on military matters. It is known that Democrats study liberal arts and not science, it is known that Democrats would rather run to Canada then join the hated mlitary. If there is a constant in this world it is that you don't listen to hysterically emotionall people about logical and/or scientific matters. If Syria is supporting Hezbollah, they'd do so by land, not through a harbour that is watched by the Lebanese Chrstians and Druse as well. Same for Beiruts newly-built airport. Democrats theorizing about tactical matters, oooh, that smells.

As for the Israeli claims that they are warning the population to move away from the warzone, that too is both deeply ironic and border-line war crime. Ironic, for how exacly is the civilian population to withdraw into safety when the roads, railraods and bridges have been bombed to impassability? Border-line war crimes, because displacing civilians in war is illegal under the Geneva Conventions. Democrats theorizing about strategic military matters (holds nose). That stinks.

Terrorism is a crime., not an act-of-war. Arrest them, put them through the mills of justice like any other criminal and incarcerate them for life. Until the terrorists kidnap your soldiers and demand that you release the terrorists in your jails. By declaring them military targets you glorify them and their actions as brave resistance against whatever. By executing them you glorify them as martyrs for the faith.

I suggest (totally serious) we take these actions to make the Democrats wake the hell up. And if they don't wake up, well all is good, the world is better off without them.

1) Randomly shell DNC meeting areas with artillery.

2) Place IED's in DNC meeting areas, and blow up prominent Democrat cars.

3) Arrest Democrats and behead them.

I don't consider myself a Democrat or Republican, I vote for whoever seems to have the better candidate. You, however, are an idiot. You are a Democrat, nobody on the right would touch you with a 10 foot pole.

.

Uh oh, more flaming. What will I ever do.

Do you even know what we're talking about, or do you just go around saying "Democrat! Democrat! Die!" all day? You would've fit in real well in New England during the Witch trials.

Zyke · July 2006

Originally posted by Nerf09

Originally posted by Zyke

Originally posted by Nerf09

Originally posted by vipjerry

Originally posted by Fariic

American extremists dont strap bombs to thier themselves and walk into the middle of a crowded market full of innocent people. American extremists dont kidnap civillians and soldiers and use them in an attept to free other extremists to that they have more men to strap bombs to themselves...

I hope its not all Americans that stupid. This article is 10 years old. http://www.twf.org/News/Y1997/Terrorism.html

Learn more about your history first.

Democrats love Timothy McVeigh. They say that they don't like him, but deep down inside and privately they thank Timothy McVeigh for giving them rhetorical ammunition to use against Israelis and Conservatives. Basically Timothy McVeigh gives Democrats strength as they conspire with Muslim terrorists.

Oh oh I know. All those Jewish democrats are all pro muslim and anti- Israel too! It's genius, it's just a big conspiracy. Every single Democrat is against Israel and pro-muslim, they're all traitors! Bastards!

We all know that every single Republican feels the exact opposite.

/sarcasm off.

Democrats think purely in terms of ethnicity, and rich vs. poor. What did I say? "Democrats are all racists."

Hitler (Nazis), like the Democrats, think purely in terms of ethnicity. That is why the Hitler (Nazis(Democrats)) equated Jews with Communism. If your a Jew, your a Communist. This is also how Democrats think.

You're ignorance astounds me. It really, really does. Oh, wait, I know.

You're either:

A- Ann Coulter in disguise.

B- Ann Coulter's relative/bitch/etc.

C- an Ann Coulter fanboy.

Nerf09 · July 2006

Originally posted by Zyke

Originally posted by Nerf09

Originally posted by Zyke

Originally posted by Nerf09

Originally posted by ThomasHolm
I don't consider myself a Democrat or Republican, I vote for whoever seems to have the better candidate. You, however, are an idiot. You are a Democrat, nobody on the right would touch you with a 10 foot pole.

I don't consider myself a Democrat or Republican, I vote for whoever seems to have the better candidate. You, however, are an idiot. You are a Democrat, nobody on the right would touch you with a 10 foot pole.

.

Uh oh, more flaming. What will I ever do.

Do you even know what we're talking about, or do you just go around saying "Democrat! Democrat! Die!" all day? You would've fit in real well in New England during the Witch trials.

I love how the left lies absolute, and absolutely lies. I find this stuff amazing.

I wasn't originally very religious, but I am beginning to understand how Satan operates.

Nerf09 · July 2006

Originally posted by Zyke

Originally posted by Nerf09

Democrats think purely in terms of ethnicity, and rich vs. poor. What did I say? "Democrats are all racists."

Hitler (Nazis), like the Democrats, think purely in terms of ethnicity. That is why the Hitler (Nazis(Democrats)) equated Jews with Communism. If your a Jew, your a Communist. This is also how Democrats think.

You're ignorance astounds me. It really, really does. Oh, wait, I know.

You're either:

A- Ann Coulter in disguise.

B- Ann Coulter's relative/bitch/etc.

C- an Ann Coulter fanboy.

Oh nonononono. This is the Internet. This is the place where everything is faceless and anonymous, and nobody knows your ethnicity. This is not a leftist stronghold where you can parade around minorities, hug and shake hands with minorities, and use shallow 2-liner punchlines. You actually got to think here buddy boo.

Zyke · July 2006

Originally posted by Nerf09

Originally posted by Zyke

Originally posted by Nerf09

Originally posted by Zyke

Originally posted by Nerf09

Originally posted by ThomasHolm
I don't consider myself a Democrat or Republican, I vote for whoever seems to have the better candidate. You, however, are an idiot. You are a Democrat, nobody on the right would touch you with a 10 foot pole.

I don't consider myself a Democrat or Republican, I vote for whoever seems to have the better candidate. You, however, are an idiot. You are a Democrat, nobody on the right would touch you with a 10 foot pole.

.

Uh oh, more flaming. What will I ever do.

Do you even know what we're talking about, or do you just go around saying "Democrat! Democrat! Die!" all day? You would've fit in real well in New England during the Witch trials.

I love how the left lies absolute, and absolutely lies. I find this stuff amazing.

I wasn't originally very religious, but I am beginning to understand how Satan operates.

Can you prove a lie anywhere?

Oh, just don't get any holy water near me, it burns.

Zyke · July 2006

Originally posted by Nerf09

Originally posted by Zyke

Originally posted by Nerf09

Democrats think purely in terms of ethnicity, and rich vs. poor. What did I say? "Democrats are all racists."

Hitler (Nazis), like the Democrats, think purely in terms of ethnicity. That is why the Hitler (Nazis(Democrats)) equated Jews with Communism. If your a Jew, your a Communist. This is also how Democrats think.

You're ignorance astounds me. It really, really does. Oh, wait, I know.

You're either:

A- Ann Coulter in disguise.

B- Ann Coulter's relative/bitch/etc.

C- an Ann Coulter fanboy.

Oh nonononono. This is the Internet. This is the place where everything is faceless and anonymous, and nobody knows your ethnicity. This is not a leftist stronghold where you can parade around minorities, hug and shake hands with minorities, and use shallow 2-liner punchlines. You actually got to think here buddy boo.

This one just didn't make sense at all...it's completely irrelevant to anything I said.

Xyang · July 2006

Originally posted by OneMuslim

Originally posted by Nerf09
Iran is a She'a nation. Do you mean Shiite?
Nobody cares about the, "Prophecy" of a false religion.

She'a = shiite yes, Shiite.

and if Islam is a false religion, how come all of the prophecies it brought were true? and how come thousands of people enter islam every now and then?

and how come it is the first fastest growing religion in the world?

what is it there that the people see in Islam, and you don't ? please i do beg you to answer this.

It's really easy to answer: People join Islam for the same reasons clueless people plays WoW. That's called the "sheep" effect, which is mostly demonstrated by no-life, distress morons who absolutely need "something" to believe beside themselves because they are too much of loosers to believe in themselves. When you believe in yourself, you need not a book or a god to tell you how to think. Ever noticed that most people joining religions are those who have "nothing" to loose? Those who are rich, very rarely follow their own doctrin. So trying to make a point just because there is a lot of new people joining everyday is pathetic: McDonals is growing too, so does WoW, and both are lame. As is any religion if you ask me.

I don't need a preacher or an imam to tell me that helping poor or weak people is a good thing to do. I need no promises that i'll be able to f*ck with a hundred whores once i'm dead to do it either. I just do it because i believe it's the right thing to do.

Try that.

jackamo · July 2006

Hezzbolah and all of those "militant" (terrorist) groups are just Hitler wannabes without the power that Hitler had under his fists. Hezzbolah and all those ridiculous groups hide behind lies and build their entire nation on lies that always, always falls apart. Lebannon has let Hezzbolah grow and take root, so if innocents die in Lebannon, its not Israel's fault. The fault lies squarley on Lebannon, allowing terroists and terrorist activities to breed and fester like a neglected injury filling with disease and puss. There is a reason the WORLD is behind Israel.........they are a good and righteous people.

Entropion · July 2006

Why the hell are the biggest topics on this forum all about controversial RL cr4p. I mean seriously this is an MMORPG website not IntarwebArgumentSpecialOlympics.com. Just STFU with all these lame topics... or better yet how about someone that works for this site actually MODERATING.

Edit: And YES I do realise that this is the off-topic forum but off-topic should be for stuff like PB&J vs Chocolate not Judaism vs Islam.

Juiceman · July 2006

Ive been reading some of this "debating". A few things I've noticed and few points I'd like to give.

How the Hell was Timothy McVeigh*spelling?* brought up in this topic. How are you going to compare ONE person and ONE isolated incident to an entire regions DAILY plight with terrorism and of course all of their other hardcore problems related to environment, religion, politics and economy.

Ive never seen more hardcore extreme conservative bull come out of one persons mouth then nerf and im pretty sure that's your red type. No im not a democrat so don't start with that nonsense. Democrats are satanic you say? I hope that's sarcasm. All of them have liberal arts degrees? lol, that's borderline funny bud. Please tell me that's sarcasm. I deep down inside hope that your a somewhere within the spectrum of the everyday American and I don't mean the stupidity part( I work in a gas station atm and I have never seen so many dumb people and unobservant people or lost as much hope for society as I have in that place. I constantly tell myself it's all about perspective as my now gone co worker from england use to tell me. There is definetely unspoken words and things I don't know about but people seem ridiculous and inconsideret either way.)

Religion. I'm sure I'll get some crap from nerf for this but it's my belief which is actually totally mixed up and I couldn't ever decide what is true or not in life. It's all comprehendable to me. God, many gods, the thought that happens past god when you get a brain, almost like an ultimate god for the universe which leads too... infinity and infinite energy. Many say these are not comprehendable I just believe they are hard to explain and conceptualize in your mind as something physical. I see it more as a math equation and that can include one ruler at times and no ruler at times. Agnostic is the definition for me but I hate to say that because sometimes I do believe in god. Sometimes I see the patterns of life that could only be intelligent because they are or at least seem truly perfect. I think people need to seperate themselves from the bible and the other books. They teach the wrong philosiphy in life IMO. The religion and belief doesn't matter. It only creates something to fight about. The goal should really be to as selfless and greedless as possible in this world(this is the hardest as many Americans don't see how good we really have it and how we have squandered opportunites to make this world truly better for humanity as many great "states" have done before), live up to some of the morals that have come from the bible(which is ironic for me to say in this post but it's true), and help as many people as possible get the daily things they need to live happily whether it be food, water, comforts you enjoy yourself or a simple converstaion that enlightens or brightens someones day(we are social animals after all.)

I think I'll cut myself off now. Too much and you will all miss the point. This debating that circles around and gets nasty is the type of thing that led to this war(on a much larger scale, time and people-wise.) If a ww of some sort starts because of this well, perhaps we will prevail(whatever that means anymore, I know what it means with ww2 but not what it would mean today) and perhaps we can try the peaceful coexistance once again. If we continue to argue like this we might as well all shoot ourselves in the head.

"It's all perspective." -Big Fred(and no you don't know who this is mothaF000)

YYYILYB · July 2006

Oh for fuck sake, I’m only reading the last page ‘cause
there’s too much anger…and I’m going to have to say it….

Do you think that
maybe Lebanon lacks the power of the US to deal with elements who are backed by
major powers such as Syria and Iran?? I seriously doubt that after decades of
occupation by Israel, and trying to rebuild a democracy, that they would wish
to be punished yet again….Consider the phenomenal monetary and religious power
of the nutbag countries surrounding Lebanon, and consider how hard it would be
to counter an organisation like Hezbollah (supported by Iran and Syria).

Yes I think religion
(in its extreme form) sucks, a bigger cause of human suffering I have yet to
see….all in a good cause I’m sure. If it wasn’t for Christians killing and
raping in the Crusades, it’s Islam still stuck in the middle ages…. Yeah yeah crap on about the peaceful side of Islam, but who does everyone fear...the muslim fundamentalist or the buddhist monk??

Anyway, it’s all a
moot point, the entire region has never been at peace in modern history so f**k
them all. I’m not an American but I value the ideals of democracy and freedom.
Human nature dictates there always will be a ‘big kid on the block’. I for one
would rather that ‘big kid’ be the US than say, people who run over their citizens
in tanks, or any of these Islamic countries that breed intolerance. These Islamic
fundamentalist countries offend my “delicate nature” (insert sarcasm here). I
wonder what would happen if:

a. the US pumped all the dollars it would spend on
wars in the Middle East into alternate fuel sources (you know they exist…)

b. due to alternate
fuels, the US pulls all military out of the Middle East
and let them carry on killing each other (Shi’ite vs Sunni etc etc) as they
have for thousands of years anyway….

c. announce that due
to the pull out of forces, terrorist demands have been met and any aggression
will be met with nuclear reaction. Thereby making it very unattractive for
shithouse countries like Iran to harbour terrorists.

d. If invaded, let Israel nuke the f**k out of countries like Iran (who have after all said they would wipe
them off the map). Yes the British may have stuffed up giving them Palestine after WW2, but hey, get over it. It’s too
big to reverse now.

e. Oil will run out….soon.
We have alternatives, and you’re still living in a desert...remember that. Oh,
and everyone loves a picture of a glass carpark from space.

Yeah yeah, I’ll
probably be labeled racist or whatever, but isn’t it funny how the silent
majority get labeled, and the violent minority carry on. I don’t know how it is
for you Americans, but we in Australia get labeled as racists if we dare blame
these religious freaks as they start riots and gang rape our women (apparently
non-muslim women are whores, so that is the excuse). Funny how they all want to come back here when the bombs start falling though...

Juiceman · July 2006

lots of americans might agree with everything you say. the twin towers going down assures that, although our reaction was hypocritical. Everyone was a patriot and now were like, "OH, wait wait...shart it's to late. war..." i agree with a few things and wish that others were possible but nukes have consequences. don't desensitize yourself to those consequences because they exist man. I do often wonder though. The hundred billion dollars or whatever... seems like it could have been speant on so much good in this country or at least clear up some debt. Wasted, totally wasted.

YYYILYB · July 2006

Yeah fair enough mate, the nuke thing is a "from the hip" response, but I get angry at how fucked these clowns are. It just pisses me off how we are labelled intolerant and racist in our own countries when Shiites and Sunni's hate each other (that's not racist tho...figure that out).

But just stop and think how much money your country would save on war$$ and American lives when the oil runs out and they all starve??

Bring on the electric car.

baff · July 2006

Originally posted by YYYILYB

Yeah yeah, I’ll probably be labeled racist or whatever, but isn’t it funny how the silent majority get labeled, and the violent minority carry on. I don’t know how it is for you Americans, but we in Australia get labeled as racists if we dare blame these religious freaks as they start riots and gang rape our women (apparently non-muslim women are whores, so that is the excuse). Funny how they all want to come back here when the bombs start falling though...

We chucked some mad Imam out of the country for trying to get the locals to suicide bomb in his sermons.

He was at the dock in Lebanon last week. Begging forgiveness.

jackamo · July 2006

Originally posted by YYYILYB

Oh for fuck sake, I’m only reading the last page ‘cause there’s too much anger…and I’m going to have to say it….

Do you think that maybe Lebanon lacks the power of the US to deal with elements who are backed by major powers such as Syria and Iran?? I seriously doubt that after decades of occupation by Israel, and trying to rebuild a democracy, that they would wish to be punished yet again….Consider the phenomenal monetary and religious power of the nutbag countries surrounding Lebanon, and consider how hard it would be to counter an organisation like Hezbollah (supported by Iran and Syria).Ridiculous and totally moot point, if Lebbanon had ever asked for help in getting rid of Hezzbolah a shitload of countries would jump at the chance. Try saying something with even a slight amount of intelligence. Lebbanon has been enabling Hezzbolah since its inception.
Yes I think religion (in its extreme form) sucks, a bigger cause of human suffering I have yet to see….all in a good cause I’m sure. If it wasn’t for Christians killing and raping in the Crusades, it’s Islam still stuck in the middle ages…. Yeah yeah crap on about the peaceful side of Islam, but who does everyone fear...the muslim fundamentalist or the buddhist monk?? The crusades?!?! Get back to reality will ya?The only one that needs to get out of the middle ages is you. Join the rest of us in real time
Anyway, it’s all a moot point, the entire region has never been at peace in modern history so f**k them all. Fuck them all?!?! thats exactly the careless dumb Biff attitude that convinces peace loving islamics that the fundamentalists were right all along. I’m not an American (thank God for that one, Americans carry a bit more tolerance and reasoning but I value the ideals of democracy and freedom. Human nature dictates there always will be a ‘big kid on the block’. (Human nature dictactes there will always be people that come together to beat down the "big kid", America isn't the big kid on the block, America is apart of a group of friends that walk that block and lay the smack down on the "baddies" I for one would rather that ‘big kid’ be the US than say, people who run over their citizens in tanks, or any of these Islamic countries that breed intolerance.(The terrorist groups are the "big kids" you moron, bullies, the same big bullies you grew up with that came out of the woodwork when you were alone with no help and the same big bullies that ran and hid or looked the other way whenever the friends got together) These Islamic fundamentalist countries offend my “delicate nature” (insert sarcasm here).(I don't have a delicate nature, its the delicate natured peeps that talk too quick, act too fast and create more trouble than there was was initially. But, fundamentalists are offensive to all mankind and need to be hunted down until they have all been obliterated or reduced to such a miniscual number that they are nothing more than an emasculated shell of their former self. I wonder what would happen if:
a. the US pumped all the dollars it would spend on wars in the Middle East into alternate fuel sources (you know they exist…)(The fundamentalists (terrorists) would have nuclear weapons and rule their countries with torture, murder and totalitarian rule. But ya, your right, alternative fuel is better allocation of that money .......godamn idiot.
b. due to alternate fuels, the US pulls all military out of the Middle East and let them carry on killing each other (Shi’ite vs Sunni etc etc) as they have for thousands of years anyway….A shortsighted vision that would result in the suffering of innocent people. Your idea is to give up and let innocents suffer and die needlessy. Again, thank God your not American. Americans and the other "friends on the block" ie. Britain, Canada, etc.. etc.. are dying to preserve the lives of others and to see to it that ideals like yours don't come to fruition and innocent men, women and children are not murdered. Your a disgusting piece of shit spitting on the graves of those soldiers that died to protect freedom.
c. announce that due to the pull out of forces, terrorist demands have been met and any aggression will be met with nuclear reaction. Thereby making it very unattractive for shithouse countries like Iran to harbour terrorists.(OMG!!! your completely retarded!!!!!!!! Drop nukes on countries that are full of innocent men, women and children?!? You would fit in well with the fundamentalits regimes, prolly make great friends with the likes of PyongYang, Hezzbolah, Jihad, Al-Quida etc etc...
d. If invaded, let Israel nuke the f**k out of countries like Iran (who have after all said they would wipe them off the map). Yes the British may have stuffed up giving them Palestine after WW2, but hey, get over it. It’s too big to reverse now. Again, totaly retarded view, see above again and not to mention ypu'd be dropping nukes on a country your nextdoor too?!?!? Ever here of fallout genius? Not only would you end up killing your own people but also generations of innocents to come. You haven't the slightest idea what nuclear weapons are capable of, not even in the smallest possible condition.
e. Oil will run out….soon. We have alternatives, and you’re still living in a desert...remember that. Get one thing straight genius, you really think they are going to give every last drop of oil and make sure they don't have any left for themselves?!? they have enough money from oil sales to come up with alternatives themselves quite easily. And dude!!! really!! "they are still living in a desert....remember that" are you shitting me? Are you truly that retarded?!? Thats because IT IS A DESERT, good god man, get an education. And by the way.........Australia is practically 80% desert and growing on an average of 3 feet per year........remember that!!!! Oh, and everyone loves a picture of a glass carpark from space. Yes, all retarded, uneducated, intolerable, terrorist, regimes and fundamental groups would love to see the total destruction of anyone who doesn't agree with their ideals.
Yeah yeah, I’ll probably be labeled racist or whatever,Racist? no. Sounding like every other terrorist spewing propaganda? Absoloutley. but isn’t it funny how the silent majority get labeled, and the violent minority carry on. I don’t know how it is for you Americans, but we in Australia get labeled as racists if we dare blame these religious freaks as they start riots and gang rape our women (apparently non-muslim women are whores, so that is the excuse). Funny how they all want to come back here when the bombs start falling though...The only thing funny here is how transparent you are, weak, uneducated and prefers to cower and hide than step up like the civilized world has been doing and dying to save the innocent. Your a disgrace to humanity and should go join your cowardly ,evil brethern.

//\//\oo · July 2006

Maybe if we fling insults at each other long enough, then we will make peace in the middle east.

baff · July 2006

Originally posted by jackamo

.Ridiculous and totally moot point, if Lebbanon had ever asked for help in getting rid of Hezzbolah a shitload of countries would jump at the chance. Try saying something with even a slight amount of intelligence. Lebbanon has been enabling Hezzbolah since its inception.

Other than Israel, name one.

Juiceman · July 2006

Jackamo. Just because the crusades were back in the middle ages does not mean that part in history is irrelevent. It did have a major role in creating what we have today although I agree that present day should be what we are concentrating on for sure. Fook them all is a bad point. As was the nukes in that guys post(...) but what his thought leads to a valid point. Peace loving islamics need to make themselves more heard in the world for all we see is violence atm(I'm not saying that's not difficult with terrorist bullies on their backs). And I hear quite a few people at the gas station I work say fook them all and after 9/11, wow, that time was a ridiculous redneck extravaganza. I have never heard the insult "ragheads" more times. Ridiculous. DId you miss the enter sarcasm part or what? Maybe I'm just confused. Going to war with Iraq under false pretenses and the money spent was wrong. If you can't see it your blind. I'm sorry but this is a strong opinion of mine. I take it as I see it. No sides or party here. We need reason and we made one up. It was a lie and nothing else. The money should have been spent on other things. Alternative fuels being one of them. If you don't believe in global warming then you need to just smell that nastiness that comes out of cars each day. I would prefer the sweet smell of nature again and pureness of the lungs and body(you believe in CO2 and carcinogens right?). Pulling out. WELLLL, NO. Not now, It's much to late. George Bush pre-spit on soilders graves when he help create propaganda and give inside orders to people that lead to this. So did the blind Americans who filled themselves with fake pride after 9/11 and united to take out Afghanistans gove(good, good) and Iraq(the bad and ugly). Unfortunetely one of my wanted points in this post was not to lump all americans, aussies, muslim, whatever, into one catagory. I did it myself a little. Everyone though thinks different, has a different tick going on inside, despite our similarities. Calling someone a piece of sh** instead of attemting to educate them is pretty much pointless. Thanks though jackamo. Thanks for your great American reasoning.

"Your coming off kind of contrived and pretentious, your not saying anything we haven't hear befoorrrre.....

.....please tellll meee im not the onlyyy one that thinks we're taking ourselves to serrriouslly just a littllle to enamored with inflated self-purpose, talk is cheeap, aand it don't mean muuuch

Don't lose touch, Don't lose touch, Im Losing Touch..." Against Me! - Don't Lose Touch

With that said i think im done with this topic. That one dude is right about the insults being flung and I'm sure someone has said it already. Hell I think I did already. lol.

"It's all perspective" - Big Fred ( and no you don't know him MothaF0000

J0kerr1 · July 2006

Iraq War was started for 21 reasons. Many people don't know that. They think it was just one. And that one, by the way, Saddaim (spelling) himself thought he had weapons. Here are the 11 Bush mentioned in his speeches.

1. To Prevent the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction

2. Regime Change

3. Further the war on the Terror

4. Becasue of Iraq's violations of UN resolutions

5. Because of Saddam Hussein's evil dictatorship and actions

6. Becasue of a lack of weapons inspections in Iraq

7. To liberate Iraq

8. Because of Iraq's links to al Qaeda

9. Because Iraq was an imminent threat

10. To disarm Iraq

11. Hussein was a threat to the region

The problem I have with people looking at the past of the region is that they are using it to justify bad actions. They are saying that terrorists have a right to attack and kil Jews because of the past. Thats not what history should be used for. It should be used to learn not justify evil.

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