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Turkie want to join the EU and has a border with both, the EU and the Leban. Leban is on the Mediterranean sea as well as Israel.
Israel and Leban where part of the Roman Empire while many members of the EU where never. This conflict is extremely close to EU.
Turkey doesn't share a border with Lebanon, it shares it with Syria. Not that it's an improvement.
Now I'm leaving again because it's quite clear J0kerr is an idiot and I can't be bothered.
You are a very paranoid person.
Bush has nothing to do with why people don't like Israeli's.
The reason they don't agree with the Iraq war is not because they want to get elected or hate Bush. (The Democrats were up for the Iraq war too).
The Democrats are not willing to see America fall. Their methods may differ, but their goals are the same.
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The reason you use the word "hate" so much is because that's how you view world. Hate filled.
I'll bet you have. When you come up with an argument worth reasoning with you might start seeing something new from people.
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Sorry Joker I don't have all the answers for you about Democrats, they don't look any different to the Republicans from where I sit. With regard to the lying, your 21 reasons for war are lies, so if the Democrats are refuting those just because they hate Bush, I would pay a little more attention to people who do things just because they hate Bush if I were you.
Going to break this conflict down. I will list the two groups that are doing most of the fighting..i will tell you their goals..you tell me what they should do:
Isreal - Survive and then have peace
Hessbolah (sp) - Kill Jews and destroy Isreal.
Both stated that these are their goals.
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What they should do is fight until one side has had enough and then learn to live with the result.
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What they should do is fight until one side has had enough and then learn to live with the result.
Let me disprove your adjustments.
Disarm Isreal...what happens? Another holocaust. Hessbolah want to kill Jews and destroy Isreal. Then, as proven with the past, they will attack other areas around them to gain more land. Thats not peace.
Disarm Hessbolah...what happens? Isreal stops fighting.
Thats the simple truth of it.
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Unfortunately another simple truth is that Hisbollah will die before allowing themselves to be disarmed.
Disarming them isn't proving to be all that simple a solution.
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For the record the stated goal of Hisbollah at the beginning of this conflict was not to destroy Israel, but to get their comrades released from Israeli jails. They wanted to exchange hostages.
consider this, lives are far more important than saving face.
and for you who are religious;
i believe that your gods would reward you more for saving a life than saving your honour. the right thing to do is ALWAYS the hardest, ponder this a while before defending the actions of any party involved.
and no, i am not the fountain of spewing virtue.
One of Hessbolahs chants is death to Isreal. or Isreal will burn in rightoues flames. That would be stating that they want to destroy isreal and kill Jews. That is their stated goal.
Who said I was religious?
I think you have them confused with Hamas.
As far as I'm aware Hesbollah's goal has never been to destroy Israel it was born as a resistance movement against Israeli occupation of Lebanaon.
Chanting death to the nation you are at war with is hardly something to get shocked about. Considering they are currently shooting eachother, I think we can take it as wrote that killing is their intention.
Israel isn't in Lebanon.
I would imagine they intend to liberate Lebanon from the Israeli's much the same way as they did last time, kill as many invaders as they can until they go home.
The reason they have been chanting anti Israel slogans for a very long time now is because they have been mortal enemies for a very long time now. And yes, Israel has many enemies.
I don't find their chants anyway irrational. Quite reasonable in fact, since they actually have some personal motivation to hate each other. So much nicer to see than the blind hate of people with no connection to it.
A UN observation post was, mistakenly or deliberately, bombed by the Israeli Airforce. Four UN observers were killed.
It has now been reported, and confirmed bu the IDF, that said observation post contacted their IDF contact at least ten times, warning them about the bombings in the area and confirming that the IDF knows the position of the UN observation post. Still they got bombed.
That really has me wondering what's going on there. UN observation posts are usually well-marked in white and blue. This one had even confirmed its location with the Israeli armed forces. So for Israel to bomb it... not looking good.
Also, one of the killed observers was Chinese. China is now shifting from its neutral, not-interested position regarding the Middle East and has begun warning Israel.
Not the first time Israel attacks foreign observers that might have seen too much. In 1967 Israel attacked the USS Liberty, a US Navy intellgence ship, killing 34 US Navy sailors and injuring 173 more.
They don't have TV where you are from then?
Israel has invaded Lebanon, they are currently being repulsed by Hisbollah. They are not attacking Israel, Israel is attacking them.
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Hisbollah provoked this invasion when they kidnapped two Israeli Soldiers whom they hoped to ransom in exchange for any two of the thousand odd Hisbollah men kidnapped by Israel. I think a large factor in this provocation was the sympathy felt for the allied cause of Hamas and the beating they were taking for their own kidnapping of an Israeli soldier. I think Hisbollah just wanted to stir things up a little.
This was a massive miscalculation by Hisbollah and they are paying a heavy price for their stupidity.
Actually, this is a big deal. The UN observers are mandated to stay there and to remain there, amongst others by the US and the UK too. They are non-combatants, thus to be excluded from all combat actions. Something made easier by said big markings. A targetted attack on such an observation post is a major blunder.
Yes it is a big blunder but wars are filled with them. Look at Iraq's "Weapons of Mass destruction", A war after the revulutionary war that is very little known was a blunder itself. It was started because Brits were attacking American ships. We went to war with them about a week after they signed a paper saying British ships cant attack american but because of low news rate we got creamed but still won. And in Vietnam war USA droped a very deadly gas to try to wipe uot the chinese and hit our own guys. My grandpop was hit by it and had a coupole other things and white bloodcell count in the hundred and was in medical terms dead and amazingly recoverd and is still alive We also made a lot of mistaks by giving Iraq weapons to fight another country and Iran, ii think, uranium to make a nuclear "reactor" or what ever they are calling it ofr energy. But its probable being used for weapons. That thing that heppened in the Isreal/Lebanon war is sad but wars are full of them, and if wars arnt like that and had peace everywhere they would happen even more frequent.
Having a mandate to stand in the middle of a hail of bombs doesn't mean you should. Even if the U.S. and the U.K. say it is OK for you to do so, it isn't. They aren't anything like the only non combatants to get targetted and killed so far. (There will be plenty more to come). And it won't make a blind bit of difference to the outcome of this war. (Although it might sell a few newspapers).
Having a mandate to stand in the middle of a hail of bombs doesn't mean you should. They aren't anything like the only non combatants to get targetted and killed. And it won't make a blind bit of difference to the outcome of this war. (Although it might sell a few newspapers).
Drink deep of the cool-aid.