Originally posted by Wildcat84 Originally posted by MX13 Originally posted by Wildcat84 Another idea:
We probably should do separate messages for the two sites:
For San Diego:
Smed:
We spent our money on this instead of the game Give us Pre-CU back and this sign comes down
For Austin:
Helios:
This billboard is more fun than NGE Give us Pre-CU servers and this sign comes down.
ROFL,,,
My idea is to avoid any possible claim of libel/etc. Those are statements, very insulting, but don't cross any line. It's not against the law to embarass people.
And, I like the idea of them being an offer, "give us our game back and you don't have to look at this anymore" etc.
Here is one for LEC HQ (if we put one there):
Julio:
Your NGE is the worst thing since EP1 Give us Pre-CU back and this sign comes down.
Sorry but saying "Give Us Pre-Cu and the signs come down" can be seen as a form of extortion. You dont want any legal entanglements here.
Honestly your going to get legal entanglements no matter what you do. First thing SOE/LEC would do is get an injunction to get those boards taken down til a court hearing to decide if its slander or what. Then their attornies just keep it legal limbo for 3 to 5 years. And there isnt a thing you would be able to do about it except follow the ruling.
So you have to watch your wording very carefully. So if SOE/LEC did try to get the boards removed until a court case to make a decision on them, the better its worded the less chance of the injunction coming to pass. Keep it simple, quick to read, and to the point.
lol i would love to see a DEV's expression as he drives to work and sees a huge billboard demanding pre-cu servers.
has anyone seen those JESUS billboards around? they have them in the south i know .. but they are basically black with white letters with some sort of scripture message and then signed at the bottom.. i think using a model like that would be awesome.. we could sign it "- Disgruntled SWG Vets"
--When you resubscribe to SWG, an 18 yearold Stripper finds Jesus, gives up stripping, and moves with a rolex reverend to Hawaii. --In MMORPG's l007 is the opiate of the masses. --The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence! --CCP could cut off an Eve player's fun bits, and that player would say that it was good CCP did that.
Sorry but saying "Give Us Pre-Cu and the signs come down" can be seen as a form of extortion. You dont want any legal entanglements here.
Honestly your going to get legal entanglements no matter what you do. First thing SOE/LEC would do is get an injunction to get those boards taken down til a court hearing to decide if its slander or what. Then their attornies just keep it legal limbo for 3 to 5 years. And there isnt a thing you would be able to do about it except follow the ruling.
So you have to watch your wording very carefully. So if SOE/LEC did try to get the boards removed until a court case to make a decision on them, the better its worded the less chance of the injunction coming to pass. Keep it simple, quick to read, and to the point.
I am in if you guys can set it up.
Kai
As long as we don't use thier name, a threat or Protected Property, there's NOTHING they can do... They can file for an injunction, but I doubt they could explain to a judge why a sign saying something simple like "ROLLCACK!!!" would be inflamatory or threats aimed at them, lol...
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
How about something "catchy" that like, rhymes or something? Just, you know, somethin people will remember. I dunno, just sayin somethin that rhymes and is catchy has always caught my attention.
Originally posted by Warmechh How about something "catchy" that like, rhymes or something? Just, you know, somethin people will remember. I dunno, just sayin somethin that rhymes and is catchy has always caught my attention.
If it doesn't fit -- you must acquit.
No, Johnny C used that to get OJ off the hook. How about:
If you want to keep your charts in the black The Pre-CU must you BRING BACK.
It has a Yoda-esque ring to it, no?
I realize I said I quit. I never said it was forever
I loved the "Bring back the pre-cu - Signed 100,000 WoW players."
You gotta put the "Give us pre-cu and the billboard comes down" bit in, it's brilliant.
Shayde - SWG (dead) Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled - Some deluded SWG fanboi who pities me. I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too. 09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
I loved the "Bring back the pre-cu - Signed 100,000 WoW players."
You gotta put the "Give us pre-cu and the billboard comes down" bit in, it's brilliant.
I think so too. I'm not sure I agree with Kai about the extortion bit either. To prove extortion there must be evidence of a physical threat, and there is none.
Blackmail doesn't describe this either. If we threatened to put up a board and asked for pre-CU in exchange for not putting it up, then there MIGHT be blackmail. So just don't make that offer in advance of putting the board up.
* The opinion posted here is not based on any legal experience or obtained through legal counsel. The poster is however a very intelligent person so you should believe everything he says without question.
I realize I said I quit. I never said it was forever
I love the idea of shirts/stickers for fund raising. I've always wanted a pre-cu ftw shirt. I will definately support this. Anything other than sitting on these boards day in and day out bitching.
I think the bb message should be something simple and to the point. Like PRE-CU FTW with website for more info. If people outside of the situation have no idea what it means, they can go to the site, but the main priority imo should be to get under soe's skin, and what beter phrase to use than PRE-CU FTW.
I also think that the thought of them sueing for slander or blackmail is completely ridiculous, but given that it's American, not improbable and thats another reason to keep it simple and to the point. What judge is going to see "pre-cu ftw" and think it's threatning, or even coherent? lol.
Originally posted by LilT What judge is going to see "pre-cu ftw" and think it's threatning, or even coherent? lol.
Your Honor; I was just playing Scrabble one night and those letters just appeared. Then I had a dream and God told me to rent specific billboards and place those letters on them. True Story!
I realize I said I quit. I never said it was forever
Originally posted by jrscott Originally posted by Shayde Extortion?
You gotta be kidding me.
I loved the "Bring back the pre-cu - Signed 100,000 WoW players."
You gotta put the "Give us pre-cu and the billboard comes down" bit in, it's brilliant.
I think so too. I'm not sure I agree with Kai about the extortion bit either. To prove extortion there must be evidence of a physical threat, and there is none.
Blackmail doesn't describe this either. If we threatened to put up a board and asked for pre-CU in exchange for not putting it up, then there MIGHT be blackmail. So just don't make that offer in advance of putting the board up.
* The opinion posted here is not based on any legal experience or obtained through legal counsel. The poster is however a very intelligent person so you should believe everything he says without question.
Actually the proper word is blackmail. I get extortion and blackmail mixed up sometimes. Threatening to do something that would normally be legal is blackmail.
Blackmail - if, with a view to gain for himself or another or with intent to cause loss to another, he makes any unwarranted demand with menaces. - English legal term.
The only point I am trying to make is, if you guys want to do this I am in. Just make sure you dont give SOE or LEC anything they can use later. Even something that we all know wouldnt hold up in a proper court case could be used to support an injunction and, in turn, be used to shut down the idea temporarily. They could keep a case like that in legal limbo for years.
After all, we are dealing with SOE here. They have a knack, no, a skill for using dirty underhanded tricks. Dont give them anything that could help them. Dont think they will see a billboard and think "Oh no! Guess we have to give them what they want now." They have spent a large amount of time fighting the solution of Pre-CU or classic servers. Do NOT assume they will stop doing that now just because you pop up a few billboards or bus bench adverts.
Originally posted by kaibigan34 Originally posted by jrscott Originally posted by Shayde You gotta put the "Give us pre-cu and the billboard comes down" bit in, it's brilliant.
Actually the proper word is blackmail. I get extortion and blackmail mixed up sometimes. Threatening to do something that would normally be legal is blackmail.
Blackmail - if, with a view to gain for himself or another or with intent to cause loss to another, he makes any unwarranted demand with menaces. - English legal term.
Blackmail this is not - that is when you say "do X or I will do Y to you", where Y is a damaging occurence.
Shayde's line says "do X and we'll get off your back" - in this statement, Y is not "with intent to cause loss to another" per your definition. There is no threatened menace in this statement.
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This is a great idea and I will donate to this. Getting a website up and running, and adding the address to the BB message would be a great idea. I wonder if www.PRECUFTW.org is taken?
Originally posted by kaibigan34 Originally posted by jrscott Originally posted by Shayde Extortion?
You gotta be kidding me.
I loved the "Bring back the pre-cu - Signed 100,000 WoW players."
You gotta put the "Give us pre-cu and the billboard comes down" bit in, it's brilliant.
I think so too. I'm not sure I agree with Kai about the extortion bit either. To prove extortion there must be evidence of a physical threat, and there is none.
Blackmail doesn't describe this either. If we threatened to put up a board and asked for pre-CU in exchange for not putting it up, then there MIGHT be blackmail. So just don't make that offer in advance of putting the board up.
* The opinion posted here is not based on any legal experience or obtained through legal counsel. The poster is however a very intelligent person so you should believe everything he says without question.
Actually the proper word is blackmail. I get extortion and blackmail mixed up sometimes. Threatening to do something that would normally be legal is blackmail.
Blackmail - if, with a view to gain for himself or another or with intent to cause loss to another, he makes any unwarranted demand with menaces. - English legal term.
The only point I am trying to make is, if you guys want to do this I am in. Just make sure you dont give SOE or LEC anything they can use later. Even something that we all know wouldnt hold up in a proper court case could be used to support an injunction and, in turn, be used to shut down the idea temporarily. They could keep a case like that in legal limbo for years.
After all, we are dealing with SOE here. They have a knack, no, a skill for using dirty underhanded tricks. Dont give them anything that could help them. Dont think they will see a billboard and think "Oh no! Guess we have to give them what they want now." They have spent a large amount of time fighting the solution of Pre-CU or classic servers. Do NOT assume they will stop doing that now just because you pop up a few billboards or bus bench adverts.
Kai
Let's make this clear for all: I NO way should ANYONE threaten SOE or LA with anything other than our shopping dollar...
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
This is a great idea, it will show them that we won't just go away, something that they never expected.
When the billboards are up, on the first day, you should contact the media companies, and also the gaming magazines and websites, also make sure you don't overlook the local media as the media coverage you could get from this could end up being the highest impacting thing about this.
Get it on the news as an "And finally..."
In all the newspapers also, so when they are sat at their desks, after coming in and seeing the billboard on the street, they open it and find it again in their papers, with a full report about it... By the media coverage also it will reach far more people, and not even Lucas will be able to ignore it.
My preference is that all the posts in the gameplay forum are discussing gameplay balance.. and in-game issues.. but they won't until we get the game to a baseline fun level. We're not there yet. We know that. We're working to fix it. There is no other answer.
You gotta put the "Give us pre-cu and the billboard comes down" bit in, it's brilliant.
Actually the proper word is blackmail. I get extortion and blackmail mixed up sometimes. Threatening to do something that would normally be legal is blackmail.
Blackmail - if, with a view to gain for himself or another or with intent to cause loss to another, he makes any unwarranted demand with menaces. - English legal term.
Blackmail this is not - that is when you say "do X or I will do Y to you", where Y is a damaging occurence.
Shayde's line says "do X and we'll get off your back" - in this statement, Y is not "with intent to cause loss to another" per your definition. There is no threatened menace in this statement.
Actually the proper word is blackmail. I get extortion and blackmail mixed up sometimes. Threatening to do something that would normally be legal is blackmail.
Blackmail - if, with a view to gain for himself or another or with intent to cause loss to another, he makes any unwarranted demand with menaces. - English legal term.
Blackmail this is not - that is when you say "do X or I will do Y to you", where Y is a damaging occurence.
Shayde's line says "do X and we'll get off your back" - in this statement, Y is not "with intent to cause loss to another" per your definition. There is no threatened menace in this statement.
First the definition I posted there is from one of my law books under blackmail.
Second we all know we are wanting this to annoy. Not to cause loss.
But what happens when a team of lawyers has you or someone else in court telling a judge "Your honor these billboards are causing my clients to lose subscriptions to SWG. This is clearly a threat to make our clients do what they want or they lose even more business.. On that, we request the billboards be taken down until a decision can be made on this matter."? We know its not to cause them to lose subscriptions. Its to annoy the heck out of SOE/LEC. But a jduge may not see it that way.
I will tell you what can happen. The judge could, quite possibly, grant the request and then we all have to spend even more money on lawyers ourselves and the billboards are taken down while SOE attornies keep the case out of court for years and SOE sits in their offices laughing. Dont forget. This would fall under a civil court. Not a criminal one. That means they only have to give reasonable doubt.
I have personal experiance with this. I was kept in legal limbo for 3 years because a corporation wanted to put the kibash on me. And it worked. By the time the case finally went into a court for a proper decision, so much time had passed it didnt matter anymore. I won the case but since so much time had passed the award I was given was no longer useful.
When dealing with law and courts, you have to remember nothing is set in stone. I have seen cases, where a side had a perfect close and shut case , go south and the sod lose the case all because the judge was having a bad day. And I have seen cases that werent worth the paper they were printed on win all because the judge was filling generous.
Again this is SOE here. They have been fighting the idea of Pre-CU servers for a year. If anyone here thinks they will stop fighting it once they see a few billboards then your niave as hell. Dont get me wrong. The billboards are a great idea. Just dont let them have anything they can use to shut it down even temporarily. Keep it simple "SOE! Give us Classic SWG servers!" Simple and to the point. Nothing there a lawyer can use later.
Incidently, a few years back, a collection agency was shut down here in my state for this type of thing. They would report a person to a credit burea, then tell the person they would change the report if that person made payment. A judge did see that as blackmail and the collection agency is no more.
Don't worry about the blackmail angle. They can't prove damages because this won't call for anyone to take action except them. We're not saying "Quit the game".
That, and the billboard isn't threatening.
But if you're that paranoid, write in in Aurabesh for frak's sake. The "threat" not the rest of it.
Shayde - SWG (dead) Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled - Some deluded SWG fanboi who pities me. I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too. 09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
It couldn't be blackmail. There is no threat. SOE couldn't possibly claim any harm whatsoever from it.
Plus, it's protected free speech under the first amendment.
It's not libelous, it's not threatening. Union thugs picket threateningly outside major businesses with signs and billboards that are FAR tougher than that, and it's perfectly legal.
Originally posted by kaibigan34 Originally posted by jrscott Originally posted by Shayde Extortion?
You gotta be kidding me.
I loved the "Bring back the pre-cu - Signed 100,000 WoW players."
You gotta put the "Give us pre-cu and the billboard comes down" bit in, it's brilliant.
I think so too. I'm not sure I agree with Kai about the extortion bit either. To prove extortion there must be evidence of a physical threat, and there is none.
Blackmail doesn't describe this either. If we threatened to put up a board and asked for pre-CU in exchange for not putting it up, then there MIGHT be blackmail. So just don't make that offer in advance of putting the board up.
* The opinion posted here is not based on any legal experience or obtained through legal counsel. The poster is however a very intelligent person so you should believe everything he says without question.
Actually the proper word is blackmail. I get extortion and blackmail mixed up sometimes. Threatening to do something that would normally be legal is blackmail.
Blackmail - if, with a view to gain for himself or another or with intent to cause loss to another, he makes any unwarranted demand with menaces. - English legal term.
The only point I am trying to make is, if you guys want to do this I am in. Just make sure you dont give SOE or LEC anything they can use later. Even something that we all know wouldnt hold up in a proper court case could be used to support an injunction and, in turn, be used to shut down the idea temporarily. They could keep a case like that in legal limbo for years.
After all, we are dealing with SOE here. They have a knack, no, a skill for using dirty underhanded tricks. Dont give them anything that could help them. Dont think they will see a billboard and think "Oh no! Guess we have to give them what they want now." They have spent a large amount of time fighting the solution of Pre-CU or classic servers. Do NOT assume they will stop doing that now just because you pop up a few billboards or bus bench adverts.
Kai
Count me in - I can collect at least 5-600 USd from our guild, about legal we can take care also (I have an army of lawyers on payroll - so no problem
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My idea is to avoid any possible claim of libel/etc. Those are statements, very insulting, but don't cross any line. It's not against the law to embarass people.
And, I like the idea of them being an offer, "give us our game back and you don't have to look at this anymore" etc.
Here is one for LEC HQ (if we put one there):
Julio:
Your NGE is the worst thing since EP1
Give us Pre-CU back and this sign comes down.
Sorry but saying "Give Us Pre-Cu and the signs come down" can be seen as a form of extortion. You dont want any legal entanglements here.
Honestly your going to get legal entanglements no matter what you do. First thing SOE/LEC would do is get an injunction to get those boards taken down til a court hearing to decide if its slander or what. Then their attornies just keep it legal limbo for 3 to 5 years. And there isnt a thing you would be able to do about it except follow the ruling.
So you have to watch your wording very carefully. So if SOE/LEC did try to get the boards removed until a court case to make a decision on them, the better its worded the less chance of the injunction coming to pass. Keep it simple, quick to read, and to the point.
I am in if you guys can set it up.
Kai
has anyone seen those JESUS billboards around? they have them in the south i know .. but they are basically black with white letters with some sort of scripture message and then signed at the bottom.. i think using a model like that would be awesome.. we could sign it "- Disgruntled SWG Vets"
How about a message like:
PRE-CU FTW
NGE = BAD
Short Simple and to the point...
--When you resubscribe to SWG, an 18 yearold Stripper finds Jesus, gives up stripping, and moves with a rolex reverend to Hawaii.
--In MMORPG's l007 is the opiate of the masses.
--The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence!
--CCP could cut off an Eve player's fun bits, and that player would say that it was good CCP did that.
Honestly your going to get legal entanglements no matter what you do. First thing SOE/LEC would do is get an injunction to get those boards taken down til a court hearing to decide if its slander or what. Then their attornies just keep it legal limbo for 3 to 5 years. And there isnt a thing you would be able to do about it except follow the ruling.
So you have to watch your wording very carefully. So if SOE/LEC did try to get the boards removed until a court case to make a decision on them, the better its worded the less chance of the injunction coming to pass. Keep it simple, quick to read, and to the point.
I am in if you guys can set it up.
Kai
As long as we don't use thier name, a threat or Protected Property, there's NOTHING they can do... They can file for an injunction, but I doubt they could explain to a judge why a sign saying something simple like "ROLLCACK!!!" would be inflamatory or threats aimed at them, lol...
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
Give us our game back please
-Your former customers
PRE-CU FTMFW!
How about something "catchy" that like, rhymes or something? Just, you know, somethin people will remember. I dunno, just sayin somethin that rhymes and is catchy has always caught my attention.
If it doesn't fit -- you must acquit.
No, Johnny C used that to get OJ off the hook. How about:
It has a Yoda-esque ring to it, no?
I realize I said I quit. I never said it was forever
hehe how about:
SWG Pre-cu
Bring it back for me and YOU!
You gotta be kidding me.
I loved the "Bring back the pre-cu - Signed 100,000 WoW players."
You gotta put the "Give us pre-cu and the billboard comes down" bit in, it's brilliant.
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
I think so too. I'm not sure I agree with Kai about the extortion bit either. To prove extortion there must be evidence of a physical threat, and there is none.
Blackmail doesn't describe this either. If we threatened to put up a board and asked for pre-CU in exchange for not putting it up, then there MIGHT be blackmail. So just don't make that offer in advance of putting the board up.
* The opinion posted here is not based on any legal experience or obtained through legal counsel. The poster is however a very intelligent person so you should believe everything he says without question.
I realize I said I quit. I never said it was forever
I love the idea of shirts/stickers for fund raising. I've always wanted a pre-cu ftw shirt. I will definately support this. Anything other than sitting on these boards day in and day out bitching.
I think the bb message should be something simple and to the point. Like PRE-CU FTW with website for more info. If people outside of the situation have no idea what it means, they can go to the site, but the main priority imo should be to get under soe's skin, and what beter phrase to use than PRE-CU FTW.
I also think that the thought of them sueing for slander or blackmail is completely ridiculous, but given that it's American, not improbable and thats another reason to keep it simple and to the point. What judge is going to see "pre-cu ftw" and think it's threatning, or even coherent? lol.
For the Horde!
Your Honor; I was just playing Scrabble one night and those letters just appeared. Then I had a dream and God told me to rent specific billboards and place those letters on them. True Story!
I realize I said I quit. I never said it was forever
Idea for the tees - they could say something like
"$OE took my game away and all I got was this lousy T-shirt
PRE-CU FTW!!!"
I'd buy a few!!
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NGE free as of Nov. 22, 2005
Now Playing: World of Warcrack
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I think so too. I'm not sure I agree with Kai about the extortion bit either. To prove extortion there must be evidence of a physical threat, and there is none.
Blackmail doesn't describe this either. If we threatened to put up a board and asked for pre-CU in exchange for not putting it up, then there MIGHT be blackmail. So just don't make that offer in advance of putting the board up.
* The opinion posted here is not based on any legal experience or obtained through legal counsel. The poster is however a very intelligent person so you should believe everything he says without question.
Actually the proper word is blackmail. I get extortion and blackmail mixed up sometimes. Threatening to do something that would normally be legal is blackmail.
Blackmail - if, with a view to gain for himself or another or with intent to cause loss to another, he makes any unwarranted demand with menaces. - English legal term.
The only point I am trying to make is, if you guys want to do this I am in. Just make sure you dont give SOE or LEC anything they can use later. Even something that we all know wouldnt hold up in a proper court case could be used to support an injunction and, in turn, be used to shut down the idea temporarily. They could keep a case like that in legal limbo for years.
After all, we are dealing with SOE here. They have a knack, no, a skill for using dirty underhanded tricks. Dont give them anything that could help them. Dont think they will see a billboard and think "Oh no! Guess we have to give them what they want now." They have spent a large amount of time fighting the solution of Pre-CU or classic servers. Do NOT assume they will stop doing that now just because you pop up a few billboards or bus bench adverts.
Kai
Actually the proper word is blackmail. I get extortion and blackmail mixed up sometimes. Threatening to do something that would normally be legal is blackmail.
Blackmail - if, with a view to gain for himself or another or with intent to cause loss to another, he makes any unwarranted demand with menaces. - English legal term.
Blackmail this is not - that is when you say "do X or I will do Y to you", where Y is a damaging occurence.
Shayde's line says "do X and we'll get off your back" - in this statement, Y is not "with intent to cause loss to another" per your definition. There is no threatened menace in this statement.
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NGE free as of Nov. 22, 2005
Now Playing: World of Warcrack
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I think so too. I'm not sure I agree with Kai about the extortion bit either. To prove extortion there must be evidence of a physical threat, and there is none.
Blackmail doesn't describe this either. If we threatened to put up a board and asked for pre-CU in exchange for not putting it up, then there MIGHT be blackmail. So just don't make that offer in advance of putting the board up.
* The opinion posted here is not based on any legal experience or obtained through legal counsel. The poster is however a very intelligent person so you should believe everything he says without question.
Actually the proper word is blackmail. I get extortion and blackmail mixed up sometimes. Threatening to do something that would normally be legal is blackmail.
Blackmail - if, with a view to gain for himself or another or with intent to cause loss to another, he makes any unwarranted demand with menaces. - English legal term.
The only point I am trying to make is, if you guys want to do this I am in. Just make sure you dont give SOE or LEC anything they can use later. Even something that we all know wouldnt hold up in a proper court case could be used to support an injunction and, in turn, be used to shut down the idea temporarily. They could keep a case like that in legal limbo for years.
After all, we are dealing with SOE here. They have a knack, no, a skill for using dirty underhanded tricks. Dont give them anything that could help them. Dont think they will see a billboard and think "Oh no! Guess we have to give them what they want now." They have spent a large amount of time fighting the solution of Pre-CU or classic servers. Do NOT assume they will stop doing that now just because you pop up a few billboards or bus bench adverts.
Kai
Let's make this clear for all: I NO way should ANYONE threaten SOE or LA with anything other than our shopping dollar...
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
Akevv Ostone
No Longer SWG Free
This is a great idea, it will show them that we won't just go away, something that they never expected.
When the billboards are up, on the first day, you should contact the media companies, and also the gaming magazines and websites, also make sure you don't overlook the local media as the media coverage you could get from this could end up being the highest impacting thing about this.
Get it on the news as an "And finally..."
In all the newspapers also, so when they are sat at their desks, after coming in and seeing the billboard on the street, they open it and find it again in their papers, with a full report about it... By the media coverage also it will reach far more people, and not even Lucas will be able to ignore it.
My preference is that all the posts in the gameplay forum are discussing gameplay balance.. and in-game issues.. but they won't until we get the game to a baseline fun level. We're not there yet. We know that. We're working to fix it. There is no other answer.
Smed
Second we all know we are wanting this to annoy. Not to cause loss.
But what happens when a team of lawyers has you or someone else in court telling a judge "Your honor these billboards are causing my clients to lose subscriptions to SWG. This is clearly a threat to make our clients do what they want or they lose even more business.. On that, we request the billboards be taken down until a decision can be made on this matter."? We know its not to cause them to lose subscriptions. Its to annoy the heck out of SOE/LEC. But a jduge may not see it that way.
I will tell you what can happen. The judge could, quite possibly, grant the request and then we all have to spend even more money on lawyers ourselves and the billboards are taken down while SOE attornies keep the case out of court for years and SOE sits in their offices laughing. Dont forget. This would fall under a civil court. Not a criminal one. That means they only have to give reasonable doubt.
I have personal experiance with this. I was kept in legal limbo for 3 years because a corporation wanted to put the kibash on me. And it worked. By the time the case finally went into a court for a proper decision, so much time had passed it didnt matter anymore. I won the case but since so much time had passed the award I was given was no longer useful.
When dealing with law and courts, you have to remember nothing is set in stone. I have seen cases, where a side had a perfect close and shut case , go south and the sod lose the case all because the judge was having a bad day. And I have seen cases that werent worth the paper they were printed on win all because the judge was filling generous.
Again this is SOE here. They have been fighting the idea of Pre-CU servers for a year. If anyone here thinks they will stop fighting it once they see a few billboards then your niave as hell. Dont get me wrong. The billboards are a great idea. Just dont let them have anything they can use to shut it down even temporarily. Keep it simple "SOE! Give us Classic SWG servers!" Simple and to the point. Nothing there a lawyer can use later.
Incidently, a few years back, a collection agency was shut down here in my state for this type of thing. They would report a person to a credit burea, then tell the person they would change the report if that person made payment. A judge did see that as blackmail and the collection agency is no more.
Kai
Don't worry about the blackmail angle. They can't prove damages because this won't call for anyone to take action except them. We're not saying "Quit the game".
That, and the billboard isn't threatening.
But if you're that paranoid, write in in Aurabesh for frak's sake. The "threat" not the rest of it.
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It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
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Plus, it's protected free speech under the first amendment.
It's not libelous, it's not threatening. Union thugs picket threateningly outside major businesses with signs and billboards that are FAR tougher than that, and it's perfectly legal.
I work in San Diego and can probably swing by that location on Monday.
I think so too. I'm not sure I agree with Kai about the extortion bit either. To prove extortion there must be evidence of a physical threat, and there is none.
Blackmail doesn't describe this either. If we threatened to put up a board and asked for pre-CU in exchange for not putting it up, then there MIGHT be blackmail. So just don't make that offer in advance of putting the board up.
* The opinion posted here is not based on any legal experience or obtained through legal counsel. The poster is however a very intelligent person so you should believe everything he says without question.
Actually the proper word is blackmail. I get extortion and blackmail mixed up sometimes. Threatening to do something that would normally be legal is blackmail.
Blackmail - if, with a view to gain for himself or another or with intent to cause loss to another, he makes any unwarranted demand with menaces. - English legal term.
The only point I am trying to make is, if you guys want to do this I am in. Just make sure you dont give SOE or LEC anything they can use later. Even something that we all know wouldnt hold up in a proper court case could be used to support an injunction and, in turn, be used to shut down the idea temporarily. They could keep a case like that in legal limbo for years.
After all, we are dealing with SOE here. They have a knack, no, a skill for using dirty underhanded tricks. Dont give them anything that could help them. Dont think they will see a billboard and think "Oh no! Guess we have to give them what they want now." They have spent a large amount of time fighting the solution of Pre-CU or classic servers. Do NOT assume they will stop doing that now just because you pop up a few billboards or bus bench adverts.
Kai
Count me in - I can collect at least 5-600 USd from our guild, about legal we can take care also (I have an army of lawyers on payroll - so no problem
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