You're immortal. The reason you are immortal is unimportant. Just know that you're immortal. Now... You've just been kidnapped by a crazy guy serial freak dude. Like one of those really strange ones from the X-Files. And he likes nothing more than to kidnap people and disassemble them, body part by body part. He takes out your organs, your brain, your eyes, your ears, your tongue, your heart, your liver, your kneecap, your toenails, etc., etc., etc. And then he lays them all out on a table.
Now, remember that you're immortal. So, where is your soul. Or really, where is your consciousness. Where are you at in that pile thinking, "Oh crap, now what do I do"?
If I was to assume there was a soul it would probably be located in a dimension that is binded to the main dimension our brains precieve and is linked to our body through principals of physics we have not yet uncoverd. If every action has an equal and opposite reaction then maby even that rule applies to inter-dimensional laws of physics meaning when a person is here and the molecular makeup of a lifeform is somehow binded to trans-dimensional consciousness then thats where our soul would be.
I think you spelled it wrong. A SOLE resides at the bottom of a shoe. Now depending on how he disassembled you, my sole would either be still on my severed foot, or thrown in the corner of the room somewhere. Perhaps you didn't spell it wrong, and you actually meant to suggest that people have some ridiculous invisible aura inside of them that tells them what is right and what is wrong. But that would be ridiculous, so I won't even attempt to answer the question if that were that case, which I'm sure it isn't.
Originally posted by Infliction I think you spelled it wrong. A SOLE resides at the bottom of a shoe. Now depending on how he disassembled you, my sole would either be still on my severed foot, or thrown in the corner of the room somewhere. Perhaps you didn't spell it wrong, and you actually meant to suggest that people have some ridiculous invisible aura inside of them that tells them what is right and what is wrong. But that would be ridiculous, so I won't even attempt to answer the question if that were that case, which I'm sure it isn't.
Yeah I mean, the idea that people have abstract ideas in them that help influence who they are is ludicrous. "Conscience" is nonsense, Id, Ego, Morals, Super-Ego, etc too. If you can't measure it with a ruler it must not exist.
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Originally posted by Blurr Originally posted by Infliction I think you spelled it wrong. A SOLE resides at the bottom of a shoe. Now depending on how he disassembled you, my sole would either be still on my severed foot, or thrown in the corner of the room somewhere. Perhaps you didn't spell it wrong, and you actually meant to suggest that people have some ridiculous invisible aura inside of them that tells them what is right and what is wrong. But that would be ridiculous, so I won't even attempt to answer the question if that were that case, which I'm sure it isn't.
Yeah I mean, the idea that people have abstract ideas in them that help influence who they are is ludicrous. "Conscience" is nonsense, Id, Ego, Morals, Super-Ego, etc too. If you can't measure it with a ruler it must not exist. Id, Ego, and Superego were just terms that Freud came up with to describe our decision making processes. Morals are drilled into your head from birth. A soul on the other hand...it's not quantative.
Aren't there some eastern religions and native american religions that felt the soul resided in the center of your body just below your heart? I think I remember that from somewhere.
But I think your consciousness might be in each and ever part and work to get the parts back together somehow.
It's weird but when I thought about this at first I thought it might be in my eye. Because I was kinda thinking everything I see is how I judge my conscious level. But then I thought about my other senses such as hearing and touch. Which would lead it to the brain.
But if you took a brain and deprived it of it's senses, then what would happen to it?
You're immortal. The reason you are immortal is unimportant. Just know that you're immortal. Now... You've just been kidnapped by a crazy guy serial freak dude. Like one of those really strange ones from the X-Files. And he likes nothing more than to kidnap people and disassemble them, body part by body part. He takes out your organs, your brain, your eyes, your ears, your tongue, your heart, your liver, your kneecap, your toenails, etc., etc., etc. And then he lays them all out on a table.
Now, remember that you're immortal. So, where is your soul. Or really, where is your consciousness. Where are you at in that pile thinking, "Oh crap, now what do I do"?
Well, first your soul would hitchhike across teh Great Plains. After getting across the Great Plains, it would start to travel west in search of food, since it was a looong trip. Once your soul ate, it would then get onto another bus (this one filled with Elvis look-a-likes) which is heading to Las Vegas.
Your soul arrives at Las Vegas only to bet ITS soul on the games, and loses. So where does that soul go? Or does the cycle repeat?
Something to ponder about... something to ponder.
(PS) I'm really fucking stoned right now... YEEE_HAW!
You're immortal. The reason you are immortal is unimportant. Just know that you're immortal. Now... You've just been kidnapped by a crazy guy serial freak dude. Like one of those really strange ones from the X-Files. And he likes nothing more than to kidnap people and disassemble them, body part by body part. He takes out your organs, your brain, your eyes, your ears, your tongue, your heart, your liver, your kneecap, your toenails, etc., etc., etc. And then he lays them all out on a table.
Now, remember that you're immortal. So, where is your soul. Or really, where is your consciousness. Where are you at in that pile thinking, "Oh crap, now what do I do"?
First of all, if you are immortal, you cannot be cut to pieces.
Second thing, you cannot be immortal, and you cannot even think of how it would be when you are immortal, it will never happen.
Third thing, your question itself is just bluntly wrong because of the 2 reasons above.
Fourth, to answer your question:
Your soul is an invisible material, it resides in your body, it is basically YOU, but invisible, cannot be touched within anyone on earth, except those angels who come to take you away.
If you are cut to pieces, you lose your immortality, and then function as a normal mortal, and your soul will subject to the normal stuff that happens to any normal soul.
you will be dragged by angels, depending on what you are, either a nice way or a not nice way, and then after few stuff happening, your soul will return to your body and enter it again, of course since your body is not functioning again, you will just dream, dream, dream, until you are put in a grave, or placed somewhere under the earth in anyway, then 2 more angels will come to you, etc etc long story.
Ok wait. Your third point is completely redundant, why the hell is it in there? Your second point states that nobody can know what immortality is like, but in your fourth point, you begin to go into some detail on the workings of an immortal soul. How can you do that? Make some sense next time.
Originally posted by kimosabe Ok wait. Your third point is completely redundant, why the hell is it in there? Your second point states that nobody can know what immortality is like, but in your fourth point, you begin to go into some detail on the workings of an immortal soul. How can you do that? Make some sense next time.
Originally posted by kimosabe Ok wait. Your third point is completely redundant, why the hell is it in there? Your second point states that nobody can know what immortality is like, but in your fourth point, you begin to go into some detail on the workings of an immortal soul. How can you do that? Make some sense next time.
And why did you start attacking me all of a sudden?
Is it because i am a Muslim and you hate Muslims? or do you just treat people who you don't understand this badly?
Originally posted by OneMuslim Originally posted by kimosabe Ok wait. Your third point is completely redundant, why the hell is it in there? Your second point states that nobody can know what immortality is like, but in your fourth point, you begin to go into some detail on the workings of an immortal soul. How can you do that? Make some sense next time.
And why did you start attacking me all of a sudden?
Is it because i am a Muslim and you hate Muslims? or do you just treat people who you don't understand this badly?
Why was that an attack? He made valid points, supported each with evidence from your posts and concluded his argument. I don't see how you can consider a logical argument an attack while you are insulting others for drinking and not believing in god.
Originally posted by Angyl Originally posted by OneMuslim Originally posted by kimosabe Ok wait. Your third point is completely redundant, why the hell is it in there? Your second point states that nobody can know what immortality is like, but in your fourth point, you begin to go into some detail on the workings of an immortal soul. How can you do that? Make some sense next time.
And why did you start attacking me all of a sudden?
Is it because i am a Muslim and you hate Muslims? or do you just treat people who you don't understand this badly?
Why was that an attack? He made valid points, supported each with evidence from your posts and concluded his argument. I don't see how you can consider a logical argument an attack while you are insulting others for drinking and not believing in god.
Because logically, drinking is bad, period, and it's my belief :}
second of all, he nor you have read what i have wrote well, so i will ask you to go back again and read it, and you'll find yourself getting the answer you wanted.
Firstly, I don't instantly dislike anyone because of any single reason. Don't make me the bad guy. Secondly, I only was making a point about how nobody but you knows the secrets of the immortal soul. Thirdly, I was picking apart your argument because it had no base at all, and you tore your own points apart with conflicting claims.
I don't hate you because your a Muslim. I hate you because you have an uppity (sexysarah put it well) holier-than-thou attitude, and can't make an argument that supports itself. If you want to debate with someone, make sure your bases are covered, there's no redundancies, and you don't contradict yourself. You're the one who made yourself look stupid, I was just explaining it for all the denser people who wouldn't get it by reading your spin.
Originally posted by OneMuslim Originally posted by Angyl Originally posted by OneMuslim Originally posted by kimosabe Ok wait. Your third point is completely redundant, why the hell is it in there? Your second point states that nobody can know what immortality is like, but in your fourth point, you begin to go into some detail on the workings of an immortal soul. How can you do that? Make some sense next time.
And why did you start attacking me all of a sudden?
Is it because i am a Muslim and you hate Muslims? or do you just treat people who you don't understand this badly?
Why was that an attack? He made valid points, supported each with evidence from your posts and concluded his argument. I don't see how you can consider a logical argument an attack while you are insulting others for drinking and not believing in god.
Because logically, drinking is bad, period, and it's my belief :}
second of all, he nor you have read what i have wrote well, so i will ask you to go back again and read it, and you'll find yourself getting the answer you wanted.
So because your point was proven wrong and redundancies were found you assume we misread and should go back over it again? I assure you this is not the case, I read posts carefully so that my logic does not have the same loopholes that your posts seem to contain on a consistant basis. Also, not only is the consumption of alcohol historical, it is also biblical and has been used in many rituals and celebrations since ancient times.
Originally posted by Angyl Originally posted by OneMuslim Originally posted by Angyl Originally posted by OneMuslim Originally posted by kimosabe Ok wait. Your third point is completely redundant, why the hell is it in there? Your second point states that nobody can know what immortality is like, but in your fourth point, you begin to go into some detail on the workings of an immortal soul. How can you do that? Make some sense next time.
And why did you start attacking me all of a sudden?
Is it because i am a Muslim and you hate Muslims? or do you just treat people who you don't understand this badly?
Why was that an attack? He made valid points, supported each with evidence from your posts and concluded his argument. I don't see how you can consider a logical argument an attack while you are insulting others for drinking and not believing in god.
Because logically, drinking is bad, period, and it's my belief :}
second of all, he nor you have read what i have wrote well, so i will ask you to go back again and read it, and you'll find yourself getting the answer you wanted.
So because your point was proven wrong and redundancies were found you assume we misread and should go back over it again? I assure you this is not the case, I read posts carefully so that my logic does not have the same loopholes that your posts seem to contain on a consistant basis. Also, not only is the consumption of alcohol historical, it is also biblical and has been used in many rituals and celebrations since ancient times.
At least alcoholism was accepted in Jesus'/Mohammed's time. Now people get damned to hell for calling themk winos.
At least alcoholism was accepted in Jesus'/Mohammed's time. Now people get damned to hell for calling themk winos.
I'm sorry, but if you read the Qur'an and the teachings of the messenger Mohammad, drinking is prohibited period :}
second thing, Jesus did not permit drinking, he did not drink, and that is proof this, being said that he drank or he allowed drinking is, well, can't be accepted as truth by me or any other muslim, because it's an insult to Jesus peace be upon him.
As for the previous fellas who posted about my points, the question reavo made had no basis, so basically there's no logical reason behind any answer anyone would say, another thing, i'll ask you to read my post fully and thoroughly, and see your error of misjudging me.
At least alcoholism was accepted in Jesus'/Mohammed's time. Now people get damned to hell for calling themk winos.
I'm sorry, but if you read the Qur'an and the teachings of the messenger Mohammad, drinking is prohibited period :}
second thing, Jesus did not permit drinking, he did not drink, and that is proof this, being said that he drank or he allowed drinking is, well, can't be accepted as truth by me or any other muslim, because it's an insult to Jesus peace be upon him.
As for the previous fellas who posted about my points, the question reavo made had no basis, so basically there's no logical reason behind any answer anyone would say, another thing, i'll ask you to read my post fully and thoroughly, and see your error of misjudging me.
And yet during the last supper it is said that they shared in a drink of wine and bread, it also said multiple times in other varying locations and the fact that you come in here claiming jesus never touched alcohol is an ignorant false statement. I may not be a christian but I'm not atheist and I know the bible fairly well.
So because your point was proven wrong and redundancies were found you assume we misread and should go back over it again? I assure you this is not the case, I read posts carefully so that my logic does not have the same loopholes that your posts seem to contain on a consistant basis. Also, not only is the consumption of alcohol historical, it is also biblical and has been used in many rituals and celebrations since ancient times.
Many rituals and celebrations which has nothing to do with the Bible or Jesus, go back to your book and you'll know.
Second thing, i'll explain what i have said thoroughly and shortly.
My Logical answer to reavo's question.
1- no one can be immortal, so the question by itself has no answer.
now answering the question with a non-logical answer
1- if you were immortal and were cut to pieces, your soul has nothing to do with it, because immortality means not being affected physically by flesh.
2- your soul will be subjected to anything a mortal sould would be subjected to.
now if you can't understand this, then i feel sorry for you, and i will ask you to not drink while reading, because it's bad for you.
At least alcoholism was accepted in Jesus'/Mohammed's time. Now people get damned to hell for calling themk winos.
I'm sorry, but if you read the Qur'an and the teachings of the messenger Mohammad, drinking is prohibited period :}
second thing, Jesus did not permit drinking, he did not drink, and that is proof this, being said that he drank or he allowed drinking is, well, can't be accepted as truth by me or any other muslim, because it's an insult to Jesus peace be upon him.
As for the previous fellas who posted about my points, the question reavo made had no basis, so basically there's no logical reason behind any answer anyone would say, another thing, i'll ask you to read my post fully and thoroughly, and see your error of misjudging me.
Jesus did too drink. You gotta read a Bible or something. Belief in a religion does not permit ignorance of another.
Translation of second paragraph: I can't possibly see how my fingers may have been misguided by the power of God to create an illogical statement! I just won't accept it!
Man, you made two points that actually had a shred of logic behind them, then through your horrible wording (I'll give you some sympathy points if English isn't your native language) the third one said that the first two weren't necessary or valid points at all, and your last point went into details of the workings of an immortal soul, while it contradicted your second one which explicitly stated that no mortal can begin to comprehend immortality. You make no sense, sir! Please don't fight yourself with contradictions, it makes you look much more stupid than I believe you to be.
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yes....we do.
Haha, it is kinda hard to respond to the truth, nice patheos.
... but some people manage to do so anyway (not mentioning any names or pointing any fingers)
It's in your brainium.
For me to go into more detail would require knowledge of all the different factors that make me immortal.
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Id, Ego, and Superego were just terms that Freud came up with to describe our decision making processes. Morals are drilled into your head from birth. A soul on the other hand...it's not quantative.
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Aren't there some eastern religions and native american religions that felt the soul resided in the center of your body just below your heart? I think I remember that from somewhere.
But I think your consciousness might be in each and ever part and work to get the parts back together somehow.
It's weird but when I thought about this at first I thought it might be in my eye. Because I was kinda thinking everything I see is how I judge my conscious level. But then I thought about my other senses such as hearing and touch. Which would lead it to the brain.
But if you took a brain and deprived it of it's senses, then what would happen to it?
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Well, first your soul would hitchhike across teh Great Plains. After getting across the Great Plains, it would start to travel west in search of food, since it was a looong trip. Once your soul ate, it would then get onto another bus (this one filled with Elvis look-a-likes) which is heading to Las Vegas.
Your soul arrives at Las Vegas only to bet ITS soul on the games, and loses. So where does that soul go? Or does the cycle repeat?
Something to ponder about... something to ponder.
(PS) I'm really fucking stoned right now... YEEE_HAW!
First of all, if you are immortal, you cannot be cut to pieces.
Second thing, you cannot be immortal, and you cannot even think of how it would be when you are immortal, it will never happen.
Third thing, your question itself is just bluntly wrong because of the 2 reasons above.
Fourth, to answer your question:
Your soul is an invisible material, it resides in your body, it is basically YOU, but invisible, cannot be touched within anyone on earth, except those angels who come to take you away.
If you are cut to pieces, you lose your immortality, and then function as a normal mortal, and your soul will subject to the normal stuff that happens to any normal soul.
you will be dragged by angels, depending on what you are, either a nice way or a not nice way, and then after few stuff happening, your soul will return to your body and enter it again, of course since your body is not functioning again, you will just dream, dream, dream, until you are put in a grave, or placed somewhere under the earth in anyway, then 2 more angels will come to you, etc etc long story.
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Je mettrai l'amour sur dos de moi.
And why did you start attacking me all of a sudden?
Is it because i am a Muslim and you hate Muslims? or do you just treat people who you don't understand this badly?
And why did you start attacking me all of a sudden?
Is it because i am a Muslim and you hate Muslims? or do you just treat people who you don't understand this badly?
Why was that an attack? He made valid points, supported each with evidence from your posts and concluded his argument. I don't see how you can consider a logical argument an attack while you are insulting others for drinking and not believing in god.
And why did you start attacking me all of a sudden?
Is it because i am a Muslim and you hate Muslims? or do you just treat people who you don't understand this badly?
Why was that an attack? He made valid points, supported each with evidence from your posts and concluded his argument. I don't see how you can consider a logical argument an attack while you are insulting others for drinking and not believing in god.
Because logically, drinking is bad, period, and it's my belief :}
second of all, he nor you have read what i have wrote well, so i will ask you to go back again and read it, and you'll find yourself getting the answer you wanted.
Firstly, I don't instantly dislike anyone because of any single reason. Don't make me the bad guy.
Secondly, I only was making a point about how nobody but you knows the secrets of the immortal soul.
Thirdly, I was picking apart your argument because it had no base at all, and you tore your own points apart with conflicting claims.
I don't hate you because your a Muslim. I hate you because you have an uppity (sexysarah put it well) holier-than-thou attitude, and can't make an argument that supports itself. If you want to debate with someone, make sure your bases are covered, there's no redundancies, and you don't contradict yourself. You're the one who made yourself look stupid, I was just explaining it for all the denser people who wouldn't get it by reading your spin.
Je mettrai l'amour sur dos de moi.
And why did you start attacking me all of a sudden?
Is it because i am a Muslim and you hate Muslims? or do you just treat people who you don't understand this badly?
Why was that an attack? He made valid points, supported each with evidence from your posts and concluded his argument. I don't see how you can consider a logical argument an attack while you are insulting others for drinking and not believing in god.
Because logically, drinking is bad, period, and it's my belief :}
second of all, he nor you have read what i have wrote well, so i will ask you to go back again and read it, and you'll find yourself getting the answer you wanted.
So because your point was proven wrong and redundancies were found you assume we misread and should go back over it again? I assure you this is not the case, I read posts carefully so that my logic does not have the same loopholes that your posts seem to contain on a consistant basis. Also, not only is the consumption of alcohol historical, it is also biblical and has been used in many rituals and celebrations since ancient times.
And why did you start attacking me all of a sudden?
Is it because i am a Muslim and you hate Muslims? or do you just treat people who you don't understand this badly?
Why was that an attack? He made valid points, supported each with evidence from your posts and concluded his argument. I don't see how you can consider a logical argument an attack while you are insulting others for drinking and not believing in god.
Because logically, drinking is bad, period, and it's my belief :}
second of all, he nor you have read what i have wrote well, so i will ask you to go back again and read it, and you'll find yourself getting the answer you wanted.
So because your point was proven wrong and redundancies were found you assume we misread and should go back over it again? I assure you this is not the case, I read posts carefully so that my logic does not have the same loopholes that your posts seem to contain on a consistant basis. Also, not only is the consumption of alcohol historical, it is also biblical and has been used in many rituals and celebrations since ancient times.
At least alcoholism was accepted in Jesus'/Mohammed's time. Now people get damned to hell for calling themk winos.
I'm sorry, but if you read the Qur'an and the teachings of the messenger Mohammad, drinking is prohibited period :}
second thing, Jesus did not permit drinking, he did not drink, and that is proof this, being said that he drank or he allowed drinking is, well, can't be accepted as truth by me or any other muslim, because it's an insult to Jesus peace be upon him.
As for the previous fellas who posted about my points, the question reavo made had no basis, so basically there's no logical reason behind any answer anyone would say, another thing, i'll ask you to read my post fully and thoroughly, and see your error of misjudging me.
I'm sorry, but if you read the Qur'an and the teachings of the messenger Mohammad, drinking is prohibited period :}
second thing, Jesus did not permit drinking, he did not drink, and that is proof this, being said that he drank or he allowed drinking is, well, can't be accepted as truth by me or any other muslim, because it's an insult to Jesus peace be upon him.
As for the previous fellas who posted about my points, the question reavo made had no basis, so basically there's no logical reason behind any answer anyone would say, another thing, i'll ask you to read my post fully and thoroughly, and see your error of misjudging me.
And yet during the last supper it is said that they shared in a drink of wine and bread, it also said multiple times in other varying locations and the fact that you come in here claiming jesus never touched alcohol is an ignorant false statement. I may not be a christian but I'm not atheist and I know the bible fairly well.
Jesus drank alcohol man...there is no avoiding it.
Many rituals and celebrations which has nothing to do with the Bible or Jesus, go back to your book and you'll know.
Second thing, i'll explain what i have said thoroughly and shortly.
My Logical answer to reavo's question.
1- no one can be immortal, so the question by itself has no answer.
now answering the question with a non-logical answer
1- if you were immortal and were cut to pieces, your soul has nothing to do with it, because immortality means not being affected physically by flesh.
2- your soul will be subjected to anything a mortal sould would be subjected to.
now if you can't understand this, then i feel sorry for you, and i will ask you to not drink while reading, because it's bad for you.
I'm sorry, but if you read the Qur'an and the teachings of the messenger Mohammad, drinking is prohibited period :}
second thing, Jesus did not permit drinking, he did not drink, and that is proof this, being said that he drank or he allowed drinking is, well, can't be accepted as truth by me or any other muslim, because it's an insult to Jesus peace be upon him.
As for the previous fellas who posted about my points, the question reavo made had no basis, so basically there's no logical reason behind any answer anyone would say, another thing, i'll ask you to read my post fully and thoroughly, and see your error of misjudging me.
Jesus did too drink. You gotta read a Bible or something. Belief in a religion does not permit ignorance of another.
Translation of second paragraph: I can't possibly see how my fingers may have been misguided by the power of God to create an illogical statement! I just won't accept it!
Man, you made two points that actually had a shred of logic behind them, then through your horrible wording (I'll give you some sympathy points if English isn't your native language) the third one said that the first two weren't necessary or valid points at all, and your last point went into details of the workings of an immortal soul, while it contradicted your second one which explicitly stated that no mortal can begin to comprehend immortality.
You make no sense, sir! Please don't fight yourself with contradictions, it makes you look much more stupid than I believe you to be.
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