In the end, it doesn't matter. Taking anything away in an MMO is the greatest sin. Period.
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Originally posted by Obraik Originally posted by Rekrul Originally posted by Spathotan This new system gives a purpose to faction ranks now. Titles, some new rewards, and puts PvP and PvE together for the rankings, PvP kills granting more points, which might slow down farming.
Been playing the game now for about 2 weeks now and I havnt gotten tired of it yet. Im level 33, been doing the boring Legacy quest, bullshitting in space and Kashykk as well. Done a few Imperial missions, was getting 3 GCW points per kill, against level 30-33 NPCs. Placed my house where my old was on Lok, my wifes houses are still there, so im going to rebuild our empire of greatness.
Are the battlefields on Naboo and Corellia still there?
Because those were around 10k faction afk before these changes (= a lot of NPCs/hour)
What about various buildings NPC spawns?
Those type of spawns are what generates farming. Why bother with unpredictability and unreliability of pvp, when you can simply run a macro for a few hours.
NPCs must be within 5 levels of your own or equal or higher in tier to you in space if you want tog et GCW points.
The previous system was made worthless with the ability to buy/macro your way to the top. Yeah, I know some people did it the honest way (I did it too) but the fact is the majority didn't. Rewarding everyone because a few people did it honestly wouldn't work.
Yah they never rewarded all the elder jedi with robes and crystals eventhough a large chunk of them macroed their way to jedi and beyond........
I was a Major long before the NGE and even the CU. And I did it the hard way. Running faction mission after faction mission and delivery missions. Oh well guess as always unless your jedi from Pre-NGE your crap and dont matter what you might have accomplished......
Originally posted by Malickiebloo Originally posted by tillamook Originally posted by Malickiebloo Originally posted by KzinKiller It just emphasizes how they haven't learned a THING from the NGE fiasco ... they still think MMO customers will just whistle a happy tune when they invalidate hours of work put in in the past and ask them to put in more hours of work in the future to get the same thing back.
SOE has moved beyond bait and switch ..... now it's just switch & switch & switch again.
So are you saying faction before should be equal to faction of today ? Faction before was an easy thing to aquire if they let everyone keep all their stored faction , Would that not be instant gratification ?
Who gives a shit, there should have been a conversion. People busted their asses for what? SOE to finger poke them in the eye again? God damn they really don't know WTF they are doing.
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Busted their asses for faction ? Come on now man , How hard was it to get top rank ? As for conversion how can they give a conversion and not just hand people points? On just about any day you could just be given 5.2k faction to go rebel or imp , Thats how easy it was to get noone cared about giving it away . Atleast they are making an attempt to do something with faction now . However sad the attempt maybe . I see nothing wrong with it being earned by everyone ,No free passes for this and I applaud that .
I did bust my ass, I did it the slow way. Between PvP deaths and stupid stormie missions and factional quests it took me for ever. I was in no rush to exploit my way up and took as long as I had to since it was no more than a title at the time. But I was proud of my rank :P It may sound silly but hey, it was something to do.
I guess I just don't like having things taken away. If you are gonna add something, add it, but don't take away one thing to add another when no one knows if they are gonna like it or not. This is the stupid mistake SOE keeps making, taking away from people to add something else "they" think is better just because. It's bullshit. One of the reasons I hate their games. WHo the fuck are they to tell me what I like, the f***t**ds.
Gee. Nice to see that some of you consider something I and many I knew work our butts off for over a period of months as worthless and our efforts not worthy of some form of compensation when it, like so many other things I've labored over, was tossed out without so much as a "sorry, ma'am".
Not that I expect any better from the current playerbase or the devs. These are people with no respect for anything but what floats THEIR boat regardless of how full of holes that boat might be.
Mali, just don't even try the free lunch card on me. You know damn well it doesn't apply. Not for me and not for most I know. What good is free GCW faction when rank is determined by how big a gankster jackoff you can be? Sorry, not my game. IMO, it's blind stupid to relegate all rank and focus onto an exclusively PvP oriented system. The majority of SWG players is STILL not the e-tarded PvP crowd and is more reluctant now than ever to engage in PvP. Way to exclude the majority of your playerbase from yet another part of their game.
Originally posted by azhrarn Gee. Nice to see that some of you consider something I and many I knew work our butts off for over a period of months as worthless and our efforts not worthy of some form of compensation when it, like so many other things I've labored over, was tossed out without so much as a "sorry, ma'am".
Not that I expect any better from the current playerbase or the devs. These are people with no respect for anything but what floats THEIR boat regardless of how full of holes that boat might be.
Mali, just don't even try the free lunch card on me. You know damn well it doesn't apply. Not for me and not for most I know. What good is free GCW faction when rank is determined by how big a gankster jackoff you can be? Sorry, not my game. IMO, it's blind stupid to relegate all rank and focus onto an exclusively PvP oriented system. The majority of SWG players is STILL not the e-tarded PvP crowd and is more reluctant now than ever to engage in PvP. Way to exclude the majority of your playerbase from yet another part of their game.
Did you read my reasoning before posting this ? It sure dosen't seem so , And whats with the insults to pvpers ? It has nothing to do with the work you have done prior , that work was toward different objectives and reward . You have done nothing as far as this new sytem goes that was my whole point . WHat else are you doing besides claim right to reward you have not worked for ? Or demand a free lunch as you put it ?
Sorry I just see no reason why I or anyone should be given rewards, For work done in a completely different system. I see it no different than being able to respec from master bh to Master trader , Without ever completing the crafters grind or visa-versa.
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Originally posted by azhrarn Gee. Nice to see that some of you consider something I and many I knew work our butts off for over a period of months as worthless and our efforts not worthy of some form of compensation when it, like so many other things I've labored over, was tossed out without so much as a "sorry, ma'am".
Not that I expect any better from the current playerbase or the devs. These are people with no respect for anything but what floats THEIR boat regardless of how full of holes that boat might be.
Mali, just don't even try the free lunch card on me. You know damn well it doesn't apply. Not for me and not for most I know. What good is free GCW faction when rank is determined by how big a gankster jackoff you can be? Sorry, not my game. IMO, it's blind stupid to relegate all rank and focus onto an exclusively PvP oriented system. The majority of SWG players is STILL not the e-tarded PvP crowd and is more reluctant now than ever to engage in PvP. Way to exclude the majority of your playerbase from yet another part of their game.
Azhrarn, you need to read up on the system It's NOT PvP exclusive, you get points doing PvE realated stuff as well as PvP. Space PvE actually gives the most points, with Tier 4 and Tier 5 ships giving 33 - 36 points per kill. You can also go PvE base busting and get 200 or more points per base you blow up.
I too grinded my faction points for Colonel, but I don't feel like I lost anything because I never actually gained anything.
Originally posted by KenshuAni Originally posted by Uberman I just heard that SOE stripped everybody's faction points yesterday on the live system -- meaning people who were Colonels and Master Pilots...are no longer. Can anybody confirm that?
I think that this probably belings in the current forum. However, I will answer. Yes, they did remove all ranks with Chapter 3. They are giving a chapter "reward" of 10,000 GCW points that should raise your rank from private to the next rank up.
As previously stated, faction rank didn't really mean much anymore prior to Ch 3, so maybe this is *gasp* a positive step forward - time will tell. Also, in context to other things $OE has done since the NGE struck us down, the removal of prior faction points within context of the current game is a pretty small kick-in-the-nutz, I don't think it will significantly impact subs. Just one small stupid move among many larger, much more stupid moves.
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The irony here is that WoW's "honor system" was a ripoff of the Pre-CU Jedi FRS, and wasn't well received, and has been replaced with a new ranking system, while SOE has brought back the Jedi FRS except for all professions, modified along the lines of the system WoW just scrapped.
The NGE "FRS" and the WoW "honor system" are both time sinks by design. Well, Blizzard doesn't like time sinks, which is why they are redoing it. SOE can't do anything BUT devise time sinks because basically they have no content to offer, not even an expansion, one isn't even on the drawing board. So, SOE drags out one of the worst designs in the pre-CU, the FRS, basically unchanged at it's core (ie: a gankfest timesink) while WoW abandons the same concept.
Originally posted by Obraik Originally posted by azhrarn Gee. Nice to see that some of you consider something I and many I knew work our butts off for over a period of months as worthless and our efforts not worthy of some form of compensation when it, like so many other things I've labored over, was tossed out without so much as a "sorry, ma'am".
Not that I expect any better from the current playerbase or the devs. These are people with no respect for anything but what floats THEIR boat regardless of how full of holes that boat might be.
Mali, just don't even try the free lunch card on me. You know damn well it doesn't apply. Not for me and not for most I know. What good is free GCW faction when rank is determined by how big a gankster jackoff you can be? Sorry, not my game. IMO, it's blind stupid to relegate all rank and focus onto an exclusively PvP oriented system. The majority of SWG players is STILL not the e-tarded PvP crowd and is more reluctant now than ever to engage in PvP. Way to exclude the majority of your playerbase from yet another part of their game.
Azhrarn, you need to read up on the system It's NOT PvP exclusive, you get points doing PvE realated stuff as well as PvP. Space PvE actually gives the most points, with Tier 4 and Tier 5 ships giving 33 - 36 points per kill. You can also go PvE base busting and get 200 or more points per base you blow up.
I too grinded my faction points for Colonel, but I don't feel like I lost anything because I never actually gained anything.
Then why in the Sam Hell did you even bother to grind it in the first place if there was nothing to gain? You DID lose something (and I'm not just referring to your mind), whether you valued it or not. Many others actually valued the time they spent achieving it.
Originally posted by Uberman Originally posted by Obraik Originally posted by azhrarn Gee. Nice to see that some of you consider something I and many I knew work our butts off for over a period of months as worthless and our efforts not worthy of some form of compensation when it, like so many other things I've labored over, was tossed out without so much as a "sorry, ma'am".
Not that I expect any better from the current playerbase or the devs. These are people with no respect for anything but what floats THEIR boat regardless of how full of holes that boat might be.
Mali, just don't even try the free lunch card on me. You know damn well it doesn't apply. Not for me and not for most I know. What good is free GCW faction when rank is determined by how big a gankster jackoff you can be? Sorry, not my game. IMO, it's blind stupid to relegate all rank and focus onto an exclusively PvP oriented system. The majority of SWG players is STILL not the e-tarded PvP crowd and is more reluctant now than ever to engage in PvP. Way to exclude the majority of your playerbase from yet another part of their game.
Azhrarn, you need to read up on the system It's NOT PvP exclusive, you get points doing PvE realated stuff as well as PvP. Space PvE actually gives the most points, with Tier 4 and Tier 5 ships giving 33 - 36 points per kill. You can also go PvE base busting and get 200 or more points per base you blow up.
I too grinded my faction points for Colonel, but I don't feel like I lost anything because I never actually gained anything.
Then why in the Sam Hell did you even bother to grind it in the first place if there was nothing to gain? You DID lose something (and I'm not just referring to your mind), whether you valued it or not. Many others actually valued the time they spent achieving it.
I use the word grinded loosely, I grinded it through normal game play, I didn't make a special effort to get it. It also took me 2 years to get it. I saw no benefit to being a Colonel, so I saw no need to get there in a hurry. What exactly did you achieve upon reaching Colonel?
Seems that fight clubs will be making a comeback in SWG then?
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Originally posted by Agricola1 Seems that fight clubs will be making a comeback in SWG then?
Yes, I'd say that people will fight club as much as possible.
Then they will gank squad.
Both take SOO much more skill to do than the old faction system. This ranking system has as little attraction to me as the Jedi FRS was because it's basically the same thing with minor twists.
Originally posted by Wildcat84 Originally posted by Agricola1 Seems that fight clubs will be making a comeback in SWG then?
Yes, I'd say that people will fight club as much as possible.
Then they will gank squad.
Both take SOO much more skill to do than the old faction system. This ranking system has as little attraction to me as the Jedi FRS was because it's basically the same thing with minor twists.
No fightclubbing yet Especially since fightclubbing isn't worth the effort when there are faster options available such as Space, base busting, etc...
Im pretty sure it was because of the fact that there is so much money in the game that pretty much anyone could have respecced to smuggler before chapter 3 and bought their way to faction item paradise.
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Originally posted by pirrg Im pretty sure it was because of the fact that there is so much money in the game that pretty much anyone could have respecced to smuggler before chapter 3 and bought their way to faction item paradise.
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Originally posted by Obraik Originally posted by Wildcat84 Originally posted by Agricola1 Seems that fight clubs will be making a comeback in SWG then?
Yes, I'd say that people will fight club as much as possible.
Then they will gank squad.
Both take SOO much more skill to do than the old faction system. This ranking system has as little attraction to me as the Jedi FRS was because it's basically the same thing with minor twists.
No fightclubbing yet Especially since fightclubbing isn't worth the effort when there are faster options available such as Space, base busting, etc...
Well as I remember it, the old FRS system was removed thanks to fight clubs. If this system is pretty much the same deal I don't see any reason not to have fight clubs? I mean why bother to even macro NPCs when you can probably gain it quicker fightclubing? You can gain more FPs from NPCs per kill, but you ain't gonna have NPCs lining up for you to kill them one after the other like a Jackie Chan movie until you reach your goal!
Personally I think SOE have ensured that fight clubs will happen if possible. The way I see it is, they've peeved off a load of players (again) by taking away something they spent alot of time on. Those ranks meant something to quite a few players, they feel they've been robbed (again). The chances of those players getting together and forming fight clubs to get back what they believe they're owed is pretty high in my opinion. The only thing stopping them is the difficulty of finding enough players to form a fight club! Seems macro farming NPCs might be the only way after all.
Well done SOE seems you've pulled a Smedley again!
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If I were to still play, yes, I'd be pissed off to lose my long held Colonel rank. My character's achievements certainly justified the rank:
Full template Jedi (back when it meant something) Alliance Ace Pilot thousands and thousands of stormies killed Tons of base bust raids done, tons of defenses Many, many imps killed in PvP
If anything my toon should have gotten a PROMOTION, not be busted to private.
Originally posted by Agricola1 Originally posted by Obraik Originally posted by Wildcat84 Originally posted by Agricola1 Seems that fight clubs will be making a comeback in SWG then?
Yes, I'd say that people will fight club as much as possible.
Then they will gank squad.
Both take SOO much more skill to do than the old faction system. This ranking system has as little attraction to me as the Jedi FRS was because it's basically the same thing with minor twists.
No fightclubbing yet Especially since fightclubbing isn't worth the effort when there are faster options available such as Space, base busting, etc...
Well as I remember it, the old FRS system was removed thanks to fight clubs. If this system is pretty much the same deal I don't see any reason not to have fight clubs? I mean why bother to even macro NPCs when you can probably gain it quicker fightclubing? You can gain more FPs from NPCs per kill, but you ain't gonna have NPCs lining up for you to kill them one after the other like a Jackie Chan movie until you reach your goal!
Personally I think SOE have ensured that fight clubs will happen if possible. The way I see it is, they've peeved off a load of players (again) by taking away something they spent alot of time on. Those ranks meant something to quite a few players, they feel they've been robbed (again). The chances of those players getting together and forming fight clubs to get back what they believe they're owed is pretty high in my opinion. The only thing stopping them is the difficulty of finding enough players to form a fight club! Seems macro farming NPCs might be the only way after all.
Well done SOE seems you've pulled a Smedley again!
Nope, changes have been made to prevent fightclubbing. The more you kill someone during an update period, the less points you will recieve so if all you do is hit the same people over and over you'll be getting no points. NPCs are not hard to find, especially with player faction bases re-activated, mission terminals and a whole ton of places in space.
Gaining faction points wasn't always so easy. But that isn't the point. This is just one more illustration that SOE as MMO company is not trustworthy.
MMOs at their core are about effort = reward mechanism. The developer sets the reward and effort mechanism up, the player engages in the process, if they chose. Implicit in the bargin is that once you jump through the hoops, you get the reward as outlined in the process and will get to keep it. If the system is not very good, that's the developer's fault. If the developer is going to remove or invalidate that reward, then there needs to be adequate compensation for that loss.
At a minimum, rank in the old system should have been converted to the equivalent rank in the new system. But even that isn't adequate, because a colonel in the old system, never had to worry about losing his rank. The top rank in the new system does.
Why ever level or achieve anything in a SOE game? As they have proven time and time again, they are just going to take that acheivement. If dont' acheive things in a MMO, what's the point in playing.
This is a rough lesson for the NGE players, but they are lucky this is all SOE has decided to take away from them. It is a signal to the current NGE players, SOE doesn't care about you anymore than they cared about the pre-NGE players. They are still willing to exchange you for WoW subcribers. All this talk about learning from the NGE diaster is just one more lie by SOE. This certainly won't be the last time SOE decided to invalidate your in game achievement.
Yes if they let everyone keep titles then I want to see my dead Jedi Knight get his earned title back first.
Not to mention his rank...
I have a bag with about 20 bases in it though, I wonder what happend to them..
Turrets etc.. all kinds of crap.
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Originally posted by iskareot Yes if they let everyone keep titles then I want to see my dead Jedi Knight get his earned title back first. Not to mention his rank... I have a bag with about 20 bases in it though, I wonder what happend to them.. Turrets etc.. all kinds of crap.
Yep, that is the mistake they made. Had they allowed everyone to keep their titles and access to existing faction rewards, then let you proceed through the new rank system to get the new rewards and then eventually, on to the new titles, all would have been fine. People who achieved Colonel with the old system would have kept it forever, and they still would have had the "content" of the new system. No one would have had any problem or reasonable complaint.
But reasonable compromise ideas like that never occur to the brainless wonders that develop the NGE. They do things designed to piss people off when they could easily avoid doing so if they had any regard for their customers.
Originally posted by ShiloFields Gaining faction points wasn't always so easy. But that isn't the point. This is just one more illustration that SOE as MMO company is not trustworthy. MMOs at their core are about effort = reward mechanism. The developer sets the reward and effort mechanism up, the player engages in the process, if they chose. Implicit in the bargin is that once you jump through the hoops, you get the reward as outlined in the process and will get to keep it. If the system is not very good, that's the developer's fault. If the developer is going to remove or invalidate that reward, then there needs to be adequate compensation for that loss. At a minimum, rank in the old system should have been converted to the equivalent rank in the new system. But even that isn't adequate, because a colonel in the old system, never had to worry about losing his rank. The top rank in the new system does. Why ever level or achieve anything in a SOE game? As they have proven time and time again, they are just going to take that acheivement. If dont' acheive things in a MMO, what's the point in playing. This is a rough lesson for the NGE players, but they are lucky this is all SOE has decided to take away from them. It is a signal to the current NGE players, SOE doesn't care about you anymore than they cared about the pre-NGE players. They are still willing to exchange you for WoW subcribers. All this talk about learning from the NGE diaster is just one more lie by SOE. This certainly won't be the last time SOE decided to invalidate your in game achievement.
Originally posted by iskareot Yes if they let everyone keep titles then I want to see my dead Jedi Knight get his earned title back first. Not to mention his rank... I have a bag with about 20 bases in it though, I wonder what happend to them.. Turrets etc.. all kinds of crap.
Your bases, turrets, etc will all still be there and will all still function the same. None of the previous faction rewards have been removed.
There removing and invalidating something else from the game. And they have the bare face cheek to stand up at austin an say learn from us what not to do. Yet they are still doing it. LMAO RFLMAO!!!
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This is the gospel truth anywhere else but SOELand. I guess the one thing you can say about the Galaxies playerbase today is that they are small, but dedicated.
Because those were around 10k faction afk before these changes (= a lot of NPCs/hour)
What about various buildings NPC spawns?
Those type of spawns are what generates farming. Why bother with unpredictability and unreliability of pvp, when you can simply run a macro for a few hours.
NPCs must be within 5 levels of your own or equal or higher in tier to you in space if you want tog et GCW points.
The previous system was made worthless with the ability to buy/macro your way to the top. Yeah, I know some people did it the honest way (I did it too) but the fact is the majority didn't. Rewarding everyone because a few people did it honestly wouldn't work.
Yah they never rewarded all the elder jedi with robes and crystals eventhough a large chunk of them macroed their way to jedi and beyond........
I was a Major long before the NGE and even the CU. And I did it the hard way. Running faction mission after faction mission and delivery missions. Oh well guess as always unless your jedi from Pre-NGE your crap and dont matter what you might have accomplished......
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Who gives a shit, there should have been a conversion. People busted their asses for what? SOE to finger poke them in the eye again? God damn they really don't know WTF they are doing.
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Busted their asses for faction ? Come on now man , How hard was it to get top rank ? As for conversion how can they give a conversion and not just hand people points? On just about any day you could just be given 5.2k faction to go rebel or imp , Thats how easy it was to get noone cared about giving it away . Atleast they are making an attempt to do something with faction now . However sad the attempt maybe . I see nothing wrong with it being earned by everyone ,No free passes for this and I applaud that .
I did bust my ass, I did it the slow way. Between PvP deaths and stupid stormie missions and factional quests it took me for ever. I was in no rush to exploit my way up and took as long as I had to since it was no more than a title at the time. But I was proud of my rank :P It may sound silly but hey, it was something to do.
I guess I just don't like having things taken away. If you are gonna add something, add it, but don't take away one thing to add another when no one knows if they are gonna like it or not. This is the stupid mistake SOE keeps making, taking away from people to add something else "they" think is better just because. It's bullshit. One of the reasons I hate their games. WHo the fuck are they to tell me what I like, the f***t**ds.
Not that I expect any better from the current playerbase or the devs. These are people with no respect for anything but what floats THEIR boat regardless of how full of holes that boat might be.
Mali, just don't even try the free lunch card on me. You know damn well it doesn't apply. Not for me and not for most I know. What good is free GCW faction when rank is determined by how big a gankster jackoff you can be? Sorry, not my game. IMO, it's blind stupid to relegate all rank and focus onto an exclusively PvP oriented system. The majority of SWG players is STILL not the e-tarded PvP crowd and is more reluctant now than ever to engage in PvP. Way to exclude the majority of your playerbase from yet another part of their game.
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pvpers ? It has nothing to do with the work you have done prior , that work was toward different objectives and reward . You have done nothing as far as this new sytem goes that was my whole point . WHat else are you doing besides claim right to reward you have not worked for ? Or demand a free lunch as you put it ?
Sorry I just see no reason why I or anyone should be given rewards, For work done in a completely different system. I see it no different than being able to respec from master bh to Master trader , Without ever completing the crafters grind or visa-versa.
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Azhrarn, you need to read up on the system
It's NOT PvP exclusive, you get points doing PvE realated stuff as well as PvP. Space PvE actually gives the most points, with Tier 4 and Tier 5 ships giving 33 - 36 points per kill. You can also go PvE base busting and get 200 or more points per base you blow up.
I too grinded my faction points for Colonel, but I don't feel like I lost anything because I never actually gained anything.
They are giving a chapter "reward" of 10,000 GCW points that should raise your rank from private to the next rank up.
That's big of them.
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The irony here is that WoW's "honor system" was a ripoff of the Pre-CU Jedi FRS, and wasn't well received, and has been replaced with a new ranking system, while SOE has brought back the Jedi FRS except for all professions, modified along the lines of the system WoW just scrapped.
The NGE "FRS" and the WoW "honor system" are both time sinks by design. Well, Blizzard doesn't like time sinks, which is why they are redoing it. SOE can't do anything BUT devise time sinks because basically they have no content to offer, not even an expansion, one isn't even on the drawing board. So, SOE drags out one of the worst designs in the pre-CU, the FRS, basically unchanged at it's core (ie: a gankfest timesink) while WoW abandons the same concept.
Azhrarn, you need to read up on the system
It's NOT PvP exclusive, you get points doing PvE realated stuff as well as PvP. Space PvE actually gives the most points, with Tier 4 and Tier 5 ships giving 33 - 36 points per kill. You can also go PvE base busting and get 200 or more points per base you blow up.
I too grinded my faction points for Colonel, but I don't feel like I lost anything because I never actually gained anything.
Then why in the Sam Hell did you even bother to grind it in the first place if there was nothing to gain? You DID lose something (and I'm not just referring to your mind), whether you valued it or not. Many others actually valued the time they spent achieving it.
Azhrarn, you need to read up on the system
It's NOT PvP exclusive, you get points doing PvE realated stuff as well as PvP. Space PvE actually gives the most points, with Tier 4 and Tier 5 ships giving 33 - 36 points per kill. You can also go PvE base busting and get 200 or more points per base you blow up.
I too grinded my faction points for Colonel, but I don't feel like I lost anything because I never actually gained anything.
Then why in the Sam Hell did you even bother to grind it in the first place if there was nothing to gain? You DID lose something (and I'm not just referring to your mind), whether you valued it or not. Many others actually valued the time they spent achieving it.
I use the word grinded loosely, I grinded it through normal game play, I didn't make a special effort to get it. It also took me 2 years to get it. I saw no benefit to being a Colonel, so I saw no need to get there in a hurry. What exactly did you achieve upon reaching Colonel?
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Then they will gank squad.
Both take SOO much more skill to do than the old faction system. This ranking system has as little attraction to me as the Jedi FRS was because it's basically the same thing with minor twists.
Then they will gank squad.
Both take SOO much more skill to do than the old faction system. This ranking system has as little attraction to me as the Jedi FRS was because it's basically the same thing with minor twists.
No fightclubbing yet
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Then they will gank squad.
Both take SOO much more skill to do than the old faction system. This ranking system has as little attraction to me as the Jedi FRS was because it's basically the same thing with minor twists.
No fightclubbing yet
Well as I remember it, the old FRS system was removed thanks to fight clubs. If this system is pretty much the same deal I don't see any reason not to have fight clubs? I mean why bother to even macro NPCs when you can probably gain it quicker fightclubing? You can gain more FPs from NPCs per kill, but you ain't gonna have NPCs lining up for you to kill them one after the other like a Jackie Chan movie until you reach your goal!
Personally I think SOE have ensured that fight clubs will happen if possible. The way I see it is, they've peeved off a load of players (again) by taking away something they spent alot of time on. Those ranks meant something to quite a few players, they feel they've been robbed (again). The chances of those players getting together and forming fight clubs to get back what they believe they're owed is pretty high in my opinion. The only thing stopping them is the difficulty of finding enough players to form a fight club! Seems macro farming NPCs might be the only way after all.
Well done SOE seems you've pulled a Smedley again!
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
Full template Jedi (back when it meant something)
Alliance Ace Pilot
thousands and thousands of stormies killed
Tons of base bust raids done, tons of defenses
Many, many imps killed in PvP
If anything my toon should have gotten a PROMOTION, not be busted to private.
Then they will gank squad.
Both take SOO much more skill to do than the old faction system. This ranking system has as little attraction to me as the Jedi FRS was because it's basically the same thing with minor twists.
No fightclubbing yet
Well as I remember it, the old FRS system was removed thanks to fight clubs. If this system is pretty much the same deal I don't see any reason not to have fight clubs? I mean why bother to even macro NPCs when you can probably gain it quicker fightclubing? You can gain more FPs from NPCs per kill, but you ain't gonna have NPCs lining up for you to kill them one after the other like a Jackie Chan movie until you reach your goal!
Personally I think SOE have ensured that fight clubs will happen if possible. The way I see it is, they've peeved off a load of players (again) by taking away something they spent alot of time on. Those ranks meant something to quite a few players, they feel they've been robbed (again). The chances of those players getting together and forming fight clubs to get back what they believe they're owed is pretty high in my opinion. The only thing stopping them is the difficulty of finding enough players to form a fight club! Seems macro farming NPCs might be the only way after all.
Well done SOE seems you've pulled a Smedley again!
Nope, changes have been made to prevent fightclubbing. The more you kill someone during an update period, the less points you will recieve so if all you do is hit the same people over and over you'll be getting no points. NPCs are not hard to find, especially with player faction bases re-activated, mission terminals and a whole ton of places in space.
Gaining faction points wasn't always so easy. But that isn't the point. This is just one more illustration that SOE as MMO company is not trustworthy.
MMOs at their core are about effort = reward mechanism. The developer sets the reward and effort mechanism up, the player engages in the process, if they chose. Implicit in the bargin is that once you jump through the hoops, you get the reward as outlined in the process and will get to keep it. If the system is not very good, that's the developer's fault. If the developer is going to remove or invalidate that reward, then there needs to be adequate compensation for that loss.
At a minimum, rank in the old system should have been converted to the equivalent rank in the new system. But even that isn't adequate, because a colonel in the old system, never had to worry about losing his rank. The top rank in the new system does.
Why ever level or achieve anything in a SOE game? As they have proven time and time again, they are just going to take that acheivement. If dont' acheive things in a MMO, what's the point in playing.
This is a rough lesson for the NGE players, but they are lucky this is all SOE has decided to take away from them. It is a signal to the current NGE players, SOE doesn't care about you anymore than they cared about the pre-NGE players. They are still willing to exchange you for WoW subcribers. All this talk about learning from the NGE diaster is just one more lie by SOE. This certainly won't be the last time SOE decided to invalidate your in game achievement.
Yes if they let everyone keep titles then I want to see my dead Jedi Knight get his earned title back first.
Not to mention his rank...
I have a bag with about 20 bases in it though, I wonder what happend to them..
Turrets etc.. all kinds of crap.
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SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
But reasonable compromise ideas like that never occur to the brainless wonders that develop the NGE. They do things designed to piss people off when they could easily avoid doing so if they had any regard for their customers.
LOL!!
There removing and invalidating something else from the game. And they have the bare face cheek to stand up at austin an say learn from us what not to do. Yet they are still doing it.
LMAO RFLMAO!!!