I will start by saying that I'm a veteran MMORPG player, have been playing since Meridian 59 and fell in love with MMORPGs...
Am currently subscribed and playing EQ, EQ2, SWG, GW, DAoC, AO, AC and Horizons (beta testing Archlord and Carpe Diem)
I have played in the past WoW, CoH, CoV, CO, L2, DarkEden, DDO, Dragon Raja, Dofus, Rose ONline, RYL, Fung Wan Online, Saga of Ryzom, Legend of Mir, Meridian 59, Martial Heroes, Ragnarok, Rubies of Eventide, Runescape, Shadowbane, Silkroad, Tantra online, Thang online, UO, Eudemons, Deicide online, Ferentus, Knight online, ...These are te games I played enough to be able to judge them...
For me playing an MMO 10 minutes, or even 2 hours isn't enough to be able to judge it...
I will give my vote on 2 categories, the P2P games and the free games, because you can't really compare both...
For the P2P, my bottom 3 games are:
1) Shadowbane: This game didn't pull me at all, it's purely a pvp game, which I don't like, don't get me wrong, I am a pvp fan, but from time to time I would like to be able to go and quest, but this game have no quests whatsoever...If you wanna just go out and have some solo fun at night before going to sleep, this game is boring as hell...
2) DDO: I am a big D&D fan, I played all my life the p&p game, and waited for this game forever...But I was disappointed. First, it's a very short game for an MMORPG, I got lvl 10 (which is the cap lvl) in 4 days, after that you're always repeating the same dungeons over and over, because the other dungeons reward only crappy XP and items. It's purely an instanced game, which I also don't like, I like to go out in the world and hunt when I feel like it. Travel from town to town is something I love to do. This game have one town only, so it gets boring to see the same town over and over. Soloing was impossible before a recent patch, and with this patch u can solo the instances.
3) WoW: I know that a lot of people are hating the game because it's popular, or they just wanna say that they hate it, but they probably play it and I know that a lot of people are defending it, so let me tell you why i think it's not a good MMORPG. First saying it's the best because it's got over 6 mill subscribers is not really a good argument. Take EQ2 for example, which has around 4 mill subscribers, maybe 90% of these are real gamers, but probably 70% of WoWs subscribers are kids or casual players who weren't familiar with MMOs before, so it doesn't mean that it's a better game.
As a businessman wanting to invest in a game, I would go for WoW without hesitating, because the developers are very smart people, they made a game accessible to everyone. But that doesn't make it a great game. But as a real hardcore gamer, when I look at WoW, all I see is a kids game, nothing else. It's too easy, I got to lvl 40 in 11 days and I was a noob, was new to the game, knew no one in the game, so I wasn't twinked or anything like that. When I play an MMORPG, I want to struggle while having fun, WoW definitivly has the fun factor, for a short moment...Graphics are awesome, sound is good...but that's technical, and that doesn't make a game better for me, EQ and Horizons are 2 of my favourite games, and believe me, the graphics and sound are crappy in these games. WoWs crafting system isn't really a system, all you do is find the mats or buy them and create, you cannot fail, you don't have to work hard. My lvl 40 that i got to 40 in 11 days, had 240 in engineering and 250 in enchanting, and again, no pain at all, just did some market buying and selling and made around 500 gold in this short period and got my skills up...Too easy for an experienced player. I can go on and on but what I'm trying to say, is that WoW is far from being a good game when I look at it from the hardcore gamer eyes. It is a good game for kids and unknowledgeable players...
The worst free games are:
1) Deicide online: Crappy, crappy and crappy, not a single aspect of this game is interesting.
2) Dragon Raja: Some people might like this game, but for me it's just another Korean MMORPG, has nothing special, gets boring after a couple of hours.
3) Runescape: This game is kind of interesting, but it's too slow for me...
World of Warcraft. The truly sad thing is that Blizzard's name has been whored out by Vivendi (long after all the real talent at Blizzard has left) in order to promote this pile of garbage. It saddens me to think so many people now associate MMOs with mind numbing, brain dead, simplistic, repetitive game mechanics that require nothing of the player other than the ability to sit in their chair and push one or two buttons over and over again. Nothing is more hilarious than watching WoW players get into arguments over who is more "skilled" at the game, as if the game takes any skill or thought to play at all.
1. FFXI-no solo content what so ever got insanely boring waiting for groups for hrs apon hrs and yes i played that game for years so dont want any of that howlong did you play crap
2.Maplestory-Boring
3.SWG- poor poor game after the change
Yup im thinking those would be my most hated games as of now
1: SWG: I felt like I'd been mugged in a dark alley and had all my cash stolen by the time I'd canceled.
2: AO: You call that SCI-FI? I spent half the time killing unicorns with daggers, everywhere else was deserted!
3: EQ: Bah!
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
maybe you should learn to learn the diffrence between "Not for me" and "sub-par" game.
WoW: best reviews WoW: Most awards WoW: Most players. WoW: Only game that had a break trough in both the West and Asia WoW: Holds over 50% of the mmorpg subscriber base
Facts are facts.
Hm, it used to be you could say many of the same things about AOL. Were you using AOL then?
Until you cancel your subscription, you are only helping to continue the cycle of mediocrity.
I have tried a great many MMO's these are the ones that stood out as the worst
1) Horizons - great concept crappy implementation. Now owned by a developer that engages in more crooked activities then legit. Its a tribute to people that will pay for crap and take it. The playerbase is perpetually waiting for horizons to make it big. Seems people in that game play more of a waiting game than the actual game. I guess they like to not acknowledge the fact that Horizons features one of the worst if not the worst sieries of grinds an MMO'er will ever encounter.
2) Saga of Ryzom - I could never get the draw of this game. Its not anywhere near as good as the ratiing says it is on this site. Why ?? I don't know really but it was just boriing and it was starting to become a serious grind before I decided to quit
3) Everquest 2 -- I wouldn't say the game is crap. But I'm hard pressed to find any real point to it. It seems to be EQ1 and WoW thrown into a blender and poured out as a new game. Or even really it can be called EQ1 lite. But now days most guilds recruit for raid content only. leaving much of nothing for the casual to get involved in. Its also more group centric than its supporters would like to admit
Originally posted by SnaKey Anarchy Online Auto Assault D&D Online Dark and Light Face of Mankind Final Fantasy XI Knight Online Lineage II MapleStory The Matrix Online Planetside RF Online RYL: Path of the Emperor Ragnarok Online Roma Victor Second Life Shadowbane Silkroad Online Star Wars Galaxies Ultima Online World War II Online World of Warcraft
Originally posted by Gameloading WoW: best reviews WoW: Most awards
Ok. Lets be smart.
Down WoW. Lose 7.5million potential readers/customers/etc.
It's doesn't take any brains to figure that out. No wonder you like the game.
Originally posted by Gameloading WoW: Most players. WoW: Holds over 50% of the mmorpg subscriber base
98 Degrees, Backstreet Boys, NSYNC, Britney Spears and Christina Agulara sold 100 times more copies of their CDs each than WoW has sold copies of it's game.
Do you like them too?
Originally posted by Gameloading WoW: Only game that had a break trough in both the West and Asia
And we all know how well asian games are made.
Originally posted by Gameloading Facts are facts.your basicly saying all those are wrong, and you are right. get real now.But your post is nothing more then the usual "you don't have the same opinion as I have, so your should consider if your a real gamer, because real games play EVE" isn't that right, SnaKey?.Maybe you should shut your trap.
No, there are plenty of games out there that are good games. SoR is a very good game, not for me, but it is a very good game.
Lineage II - I actually didn't mean to include that on my list. I haven't played it but have read alot about it, I know it's not for me but I know it too is a very good game. (botters killing it though)
WoW is just a peice of junk. You're just a follower. If 7.5million people all started drinking coffee made out of monkey shit (yes there is a coffee that's made from monkey shit) you would be one of those saying it's good for your health and how good the fecal matter felt in your mouth.
First off, if a friend of mine started drinking monkey shit outta of a cofee cup and she said it was good i'll drink it naturally, but if it tastes like shit i'll stop drinking it, but if it doeson't well more monkey shit for me. WoW as you like to put it gives ppl cup of monkey shit, 7.5 million mmorpg playesr play this game, if its this game is monkey shit then monkey shit must be healtht
Originally posted by vendris World of Warcraft. The truly sad thing is that Blizzard's name has been whored out by Vivendi (long after all the real talent at Blizzard has left) in order to promote this pile of garbage. It saddens me to think so many people now associate MMOs with mind numbing, brain dead, simplistic, repetitive game mechanics that require nothing of the player other than the ability to sit in their chair and push one or two buttons over and over again. Nothing is more hilarious than watching WoW players get into arguments over who is more "skilled" at the game, as if the game takes any skill or thought to play at all.
If it takes no skill , I should be able to win at PVP at least 40 % of the time. But since I suck at PVP I am lucky to win 5% of the time. Hence skill does matter
Originally posted by itzit Originally posted by vendris World of Warcraft. The truly sad thing is that Blizzard's name has been whored out by Vivendi (long after all the real talent at Blizzard has left) in order to promote this pile of garbage. It saddens me to think so many people now associate MMOs with mind numbing, brain dead, simplistic, repetitive game mechanics that require nothing of the player other than the ability to sit in their chair and push one or two buttons over and over again. Nothing is more hilarious than watching WoW players get into arguments over who is more "skilled" at the game, as if the game takes any skill or thought to play at all.
If it takes no skill , I should be able to win at PVP at least 40 % of the time. But since I suck at PVP I am lucky to win 5% of the time. Hence skill does matter Right On
Originally posted by Gameloading Originally posted by SnaKey
Originally posted by Gameloading Don't you know its cool to hate popular things these days!?
Dude, shut your trap with that crap. If you can't see that the game is sub-par then you need to really take a look at thinking you're a gamer.
The game is Mind-Numbingly Fun. It's made to numb your brain. That's it. Nothing more. There is no thinking when it comes to WoW.
maybe you should learn to learn the diffrence between "Not for me" and "sub-par" game.
WoW: best reviews WoW: Most awards WoW: Most players. WoW: Only game that had a break trough in both the West and Asia WoW: Holds over 50% of the mmorpg subscriber base
Facts are facts.
your basicly saying all those are wrong, and you are right. get real now.
But your post is nothing more then the usual "you don't have the same opinion as I have, so your should consider if your a real gamer, because real gamers play EVE" isn't that right, SnaKey?.
Maybe you should shut your trap.
Maybe you should shut yours, you are telling anyone here that they can't have an opinion about a game that differs from yours, I guess you were allways the kid that took his ball home if the game didn't go your way.
Originally posted by Parsifal57 Originally posted by Gameloading Originally posted by SnaKey
Originally posted by GameloadingDon't you know its cool to hate popular things these days!?
Dude, shut your trap with that crap. If you can't see that the game is sub-par then you need to really take a look at thinking you're a gamer. The game is Mind-Numbingly Fun. It's made to numb your brain. That's it. Nothing more. There is no thinking when it comes to WoW.
maybe you should learn to learn the diffrence between "Not for me" and "sub-par" game.WoW: best reviewsWoW: Most awardsWoW: Most players.WoW: Only game that had a break trough in both the West and AsiaWoW: Holds over 50% of the mmorpg subscriber baseFacts are facts.your basicly saying all those are wrong, and you are right. get real now.But your post is nothing more then the usual "you don't have the same opinion as I have, so your should consider if your a real gamer, because real gamers play EVE" isn't that right, SnaKey?.Maybe you should shut your trap. Maybe you should shut yours, you are telling anyone here that they can't have an opinion about a game that differs from yours, I guess you were allways the kid that took his ball home if the game didn't go your way.
No, I'm just mainly sick of that guy always defending stuff with totally invalid reasons. Awards, reviews, etc. do not make a game good, I'm sorry they don't.
It's kinda funny how EVERYONE who can see that WoW is a poorly made game can name you off a list of faults one after another easily. But the poeple who defend it can usually name off 1 or 2 reasons they like it and those are usuallly "it's polished" which it is, I'm not denying it. It's the least buggy MMO I've ever played. And the other reason is "it's got 7million subscribers and my friends play" other than that there is nothing anyone ever says that is good about WoW.
That game is just-not-a-good-game. It's not opinion, it's fact. Like I said before, it's a game that is made to numb your brain.
Originally posted by Nanuven I'd say it would be Auto Assault, graphics were impressive, but it just plain sucked
That's like watching the first 30 seconds of a movie, and then saying it sucks. You really can't say that, until you've really tried it. 10min is nothing. You got killed, what.. once? twice?
Originally posted by Gameloading Originally posted by SnaKey
Originally posted by GameloadingDon't you know its cool to hate popular things these days!?
Dude, shut your trap with that crap. If you can't see that the game is sub-par then you need to really take a look at thinking you're a gamer. The game is Mind-Numbingly Fun. It's made to numb your brain. That's it. Nothing more. There is no thinking when it comes to WoW.
maybe you should learn to learn the diffrence between "Not for me" and "sub-par" game.WoW: best reviewsWoW: Most awardsWoW: Most players.WoW: Only game that had a break trough in both the West and AsiaWoW: Holds over 50% of the mmorpg subscriber baseFacts are facts.your basicly saying all those are wrong, and you are right. get real now.But your post is nothing more then the usual "you don't have the same opinion as I have, so your should consider if your a real gamer, because real gamers play EVE" isn't that right, SnaKey?.Maybe you should shut your trap.
Maybe you should shut yours, you are telling anyone here that they can't have an opinion about a game that differs from yours, I guess you were allways the kid that took his ball home if the game didn't go your way.
No, I'm just mainly sick of that guy always defending stuff with totally invalid reasons. Awards, reviews, etc. do not make a game good, I'm sorry they don't.
It's kinda funny how EVERYONE who can see that WoW is a poorly made game can name you off a list of faults one after another easily. But the poeple who defend it can usually name off 1 or 2 reasons they like it and those are usuallly "it's polished" which it is, I'm not denying it. It's the least buggy MMO I've ever played. And the other reason is "it's got 7million subscribers and my friends play" other than that there is nothing anyone ever says that is good about WoW.
That game is just-not-a-good-game. It's not opinion, it's fact. Like I said before, it's a game that is made to numb your brain.
Yeah, and all those reviewers, award givers and 7,5 million players all wrong, but listen to Snakey, the EVE player who will point out the facts here (which are nothing more then his opinion). also, did I ever say WoW was the perfect game that never did anything wrong? I just checked, and I didn't. its funny how you call something a fact when its nothing more then your opinion. but I'm discussing with an EVE player here, so its not surprising he thinks his opinion = fact . its seems to be the normal attitude EVE players have on this forum, I can honnestly only name 4 EVE posters that don't have this elitism attitude around them, and your not one of them.
"Its a game to numb your brain" and thats comming from an EVE player. naturaly, clicking a command and wait for 20 seconds (or 20 minutes if your traveling)and then another 10 seconds to pick up your loot is all but brain numb /sarcasm.
invalid reason?
SnaKey, Why is WoW a bad game? Snakey:"Because I say so, and all those reviews and award givers are wrong and corrupt, and those 7,5 million players are all stupid and playing the wrong game, and I'm right!!!!"
and lets not forget your well known Britney spears and McDonalds theory.
if anybody here is comming with invalid reasons, then its you.
Originally posted by Parsifal57 Originally posted by Gameloading
Originally posted by SnaKey
Originally posted by Gameloading Don't you know its cool to hate popular things these days!?
Dude, shut your trap with that crap. If you can't see that the game is sub-par then you need to really take a look at thinking you're a gamer.
The game is Mind-Numbingly Fun. It's made to numb your brain. That's it. Nothing more. There is no thinking when it comes to WoW.
maybe you should learn to learn the diffrence between "Not for me" and "sub-par" game.
WoW: best reviews WoW: Most awards WoW: Most players. WoW: Only game that had a break trough in both the West and Asia WoW: Holds over 50% of the mmorpg subscriber base
Facts are facts.
your basicly saying all those are wrong, and you are right. get real now.
But your post is nothing more then the usual "you don't have the same opinion as I have, so your should consider if your a real gamer, because real gamers play EVE" isn't that right, SnaKey?.
Maybe you should shut your trap.
Maybe you should shut yours, you are telling anyone here that they can't have an opinion about a game that differs from yours, I guess you were allways the kid that took his ball home if the game didn't go your way.
Did I ever say he shouldn't have an opinion? No I didn't. but fact remains WoW is a great game. sure you might not like the game, thats all fine. it means the game is not for you.
you surprise me, I would have expected one of 49 years old would at least know how to read.
a word of advice, Read first before you open that mouth of yours.
It's threads like this that bring out the worst in people. The OP asks in your "opinion" what are the worst mmo's. Some people instead of just answering the question feel the need to defend their game of choice like it's a matter of life and death to them.
Anyways, in my "opinion" the worst MMO ever made is Dark and Light. It's pretty hard to find a worse game on the market. This game managed to go from a community of 750,000 people to a few thousand in less than a month after release. On MMORPG.com it managed to go from the most hyped and anticipated game to a rating of 3.4. Even the great SWG exodus can't come close to matching those numbers. In terms of sheer incompentence, Dark and Light simply cannot be beat.
Now, I understand that a lot of folks on here don't like WoW, and they have their reasons so won't argue with that. But to call it the "Worst MMORPG Ever"? Come on. Download a few of those free mmorpgs that are out there and a lot of them are much much worse.
Did I ever say he shouldn't have an opinion? No I didn't. but fact remains WoW is a great game. sure you might not like the game, thats all fine. it means the game is not for you.
Read first before you open that mouth of yours.
Well You summed it up for me with the "It's a great game." When I played WoW I would have loved a server with less not more people. Not because of lag, Just because I couldn't care less about anyone else but my friends on it. What the other X amount of players did on the server had absolutely no effect on me. If WoW's multiplayer was done like Diablo's with a seperate auction house I might actually of enjoyed the game MORE.
Is WoW a really well coded game... Yes Is it a good MMORPG... NO
Why is it a poor MMORPG?
Same reasons alot of MMORPGs are really poor:
NPC driven Content NPC driven content is a holdover from the Pen and Paper roleplaying days when you only have 5 people and you have to use NPCs to fill the many characters. NPCs were also used to Direct playes and allow a Single person to attempt to create a populated and immersive enviroment by directing players through a small area of the world that is easy to plan out ahead of time. Now in MMORPGs what happens is that you eventually reach a point where the developers cannot create content faster than players can Beat/finish the old stuff., end result the "raiding issue" with make .05% drops to make players want to run the same quest repeatively to give the devs more time to make more content. Now NPCs do have a place in the game but more as stand-ins when you need other characters on side quests.
Static World nothing ever changes in WoW aqnd most MMOs. if it was there yesterday more and likely it will be there tommorrow and the next day and the next day. When was the last time you logged into the WoW forums to see if anything major had happened to the game world when you left? doubt you ever did. Static worlds are really good for linear games where you reach a end point and then quit, but with MMOs you need dynamic worlds run by players to allow things to keep interesting.
Poor Crafting Well its another side effect from the NPC driven content/raiding. You need to have uber items to make people want to repeat that same quest for that .05% drop rate. So that means that in the end crafted items have to be worse then raid items. that all ends up to the problem in WoW, only a select few trade skills are actually useful in the long run. And to add to this problem is the fact that equipment is never destroyed/lossed so there is no reason NOT to use the uber raid drops further lowering demand on player crafted items. Which leads to the next problem
Horrible PVP having both Level and equipment being a major factor in who wins, on top of absolutely no REAL effect on the game world makes it bad. In order to make people raid lets add another system of Better than crafted items that you have to grind PVP in order to get so people will continue to do repatitve PVP.
When you have a game with the opposite of the above you start having the something that you'll get alot more respect. With a dynamic world, where PVP for the control of resources to replace combat losses you have something that doesn't become boring as its a constant struggle with player factions constantly changing tactics to overcome other players. And since WoW does not have that dynamic level is why I think its one of the Worst MMORPGs.
Originally posted by Nicoli Originally posted by Gameloading
Did I ever say he shouldn't have an opinion? No I didn't. but fact remains WoW is a great game. sure you might not like the game, thats all fine. it means the game is not for you.
Read first before you open that mouth of yours.
Well You summed it up for me with the "It's a great game." When I played WoW I would have loved a server with less not more people. Not because of lag, Just because I couldn't care less about anyone else but my friends on it. What the other X amount of players did on the server had absolutely no effect on me. If WoW's multiplayer was done like Diablo's with a seperate auction house I might actually of enjoyed the game MORE.
Is WoW a really well coded game... Yes Is it a good MMORPG... NO
Why is it a poor MMORPG?
Same reasons alot of MMORPGs are really poor:
NPC driven Content NPC driven content is a holdover from the Pen and Paper roleplaying days when you only have 5 people and you have to use NPCs to fill the many characters. NPCs were also used to Direct playes and allow a Single person to attempt to create a populated and immersive enviroment by directing players through a small area of the world that is easy to plan out ahead of time. Now in MMORPGs what happens is that you eventually reach a point where the developers cannot create content faster than players can Beat/finish the old stuff., end result the "raiding issue" with make .05% drops to make players want to run the same quest repeatively to give the devs more time to make more content. Now NPCs do have a place in the game but more as stand-ins when you need other characters on side quests.
Static World nothing ever changes in WoW aqnd most MMOs. if it was there yesterday more and likely it will be there tommorrow and the next day and the next day. When was the last time you logged into the WoW forums to see if anything major had happened to the game world when you left? doubt you ever did. Static worlds are really good for linear games where you reach a end point and then quit, but with MMOs you need dynamic worlds run by players to allow things to keep interesting.
Poor Crafting Well its another side effect from the NPC driven content/raiding. You need to have uber items to make people want to repeat that same quest for that .05% drop rate. So that means that in the end crafted items have to be worse then raid items. that all ends up to the problem in WoW, only a select few trade skills are actually useful in the long run. And to add to this problem is the fact that equipment is never destroyed/lossed so there is no reason NOT to use the uber raid drops further lowering demand on player crafted items. Which leads to the next problem
Horrible PVP having both Level and equipment being a major factor in who wins, on top of absolutely no REAL effect on the game world makes it bad. In order to make people raid lets add another system of Better than crafted items that you have to grind PVP in order to get so people will continue to do repatitve PVP.
When you have a game with the opposite of the above you start having the something that you'll get alot more respect. With a dynamic world, where PVP for the control of resources to replace combat losses you have something that doesn't become boring as its a constant struggle with player factions constantly changing tactics to overcome other players. And since WoW does not have that dynamic level is why I think its one of the Worst MMORPGs.
good ideas here. I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter. Is it a good MMORPG... NO
Why is it a poor MMORPG?
Same reasons alot of MMORPGs are really poor:
NPC driven Content NPC driven content is a holdover from the Pen and Paper roleplaying days when you only have 5 people and you have to use NPCs to fill the many characters. NPCs were also used to Direct playes and allow a Single person to attempt to create a populated and immersive enviroment by directing players through a small area of the world that is easy to plan out ahead of time. Now in MMORPGs what happens is that you eventually reach a point where the developers cannot create content faster than players can Beat/finish the old stuff., end result the "raiding issue" with make .05% drops to make players want to run the same quest repeatively to give the devs more time to make more content. Now NPCs do have a place in the game but more as stand-ins when you need other characters on side quests.
Static World nothing ever changes in WoW aqnd most MMOs. if it was there yesterday more and likely it will be there tommorrow and the next day and the next day. When was the last time you logged into the WoW forums to see if anything major had happened to the game world when you left? doubt you ever did. Static worlds are really good for linear games where you reach a end point and then quit, but with MMOs you need dynamic worlds run by players to allow things to keep interesting.
Poor Crafting Well its another side effect from the NPC driven content/raiding. You need to have uber items to make people want to repeat that same quest for that .05% drop rate. So that means that in the end crafted items have to be worse then raid items. that all ends up to the problem in WoW, only a select few trade skills are actually useful in the long run. And to add to this problem is the fact that equipment is never destroyed/lossed so there is no reason NOT to use the uber raid drops further lowering demand on player crafted items. Which leads to the next problem
Horrible PVP having both Level and equipment being a major factor in who wins, on top of absolutely no REAL effect on the game world makes it bad. In order to make people raid lets add another system of Better than crafted items that you have to grind PVP in order to get so people will continue to do repatitve PVP.
When you have a game with the opposite of the above you start having the something that you'll get alot more respect. With a dynamic world, where PVP for the control of resources to replace combat losses you have something that doesn't become boring as its a constant struggle with player factions constantly changing tactics to overcome other players. And since WoW does not have that dynamic level is why I think its one of the Worst MMORPGs.
good ideas here. I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter.
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Originally posted by Gameloading Originally posted by SnaKey
Originally posted by Gameloading Don't you know its cool to hate popular things these days!?
Dude, shut your trap with that crap. If you can't see that the game is sub-par then you need to really take a look at thinking you're a gamer.
The game is Mind-Numbingly Fun. It's made to numb your brain. That's it. Nothing more. There is no thinking when it comes to WoW.
maybe you should learn to learn the diffrence between "Not for me" and "sub-par" game.
WoW: best reviews WoW: Most awards WoW: Most players. WoW: Only game that had a break trough in both the West and Asia WoW: Holds over 50% of the mmorpg subscriber base
Facts are facts.
your basicly saying all those are wrong, and you are right. get real now.
But your post is nothing more then the usual "you don't have the same opinion as I have, so your should consider if your a real gamer, because real gamers play EVE" isn't that right, SnaKey?.
Maybe you should shut your trap.
Hey, stop lying, the most played MMORPG are Yulgang, and Westward Journey ; both are Chinese MMORPGs. WoW is not the most played MMORPG.
Originally posted by Solntse Hey, stop lying, the most played MMORPG are Yulgang, and Westward Journey ; both are Chinese MMORPGs. WoW is not the most played MMORPG.
Yulgang only has 500,000 or so ACTIVE accounts and 15million Accounts for a free game this is nothing spectacular expecially in china. Now, if you look at how many WoW copies were actually SOLD for $50 each.
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I will start by saying that I'm a veteran MMORPG player, have been playing since Meridian 59 and fell in love with MMORPGs...
Am currently subscribed and playing EQ, EQ2, SWG, GW, DAoC, AO, AC and Horizons (beta testing Archlord and Carpe Diem)
I have played in the past WoW, CoH, CoV, CO, L2, DarkEden, DDO, Dragon Raja, Dofus, Rose ONline, RYL, Fung Wan Online, Saga of Ryzom, Legend of Mir, Meridian 59, Martial Heroes, Ragnarok, Rubies of Eventide, Runescape, Shadowbane, Silkroad, Tantra online, Thang online, UO, Eudemons, Deicide online, Ferentus, Knight online, ...These are te games I played enough to be able to judge them...
For me playing an MMO 10 minutes, or even 2 hours isn't enough to be able to judge it...
I will give my vote on 2 categories, the P2P games and the free games, because you can't really compare both...
For the P2P, my bottom 3 games are:
1) Shadowbane: This game didn't pull me at all, it's purely a pvp game, which I don't like, don't get me wrong, I am a pvp fan, but from time to time I would like to be able to go and quest, but this game have no quests whatsoever...If you wanna just go out and have some solo fun at night before going to sleep, this game is boring as hell...
2) DDO: I am a big D&D fan, I played all my life the p&p game, and waited for this game forever...But I was disappointed. First, it's a very short game for an MMORPG, I got lvl 10 (which is the cap lvl) in 4 days, after that you're always repeating the same dungeons over and over, because the other dungeons reward only crappy XP and items. It's purely an instanced game, which I also don't like, I like to go out in the world and hunt when I feel like it. Travel from town to town is something I love to do. This game have one town only, so it gets boring to see the same town over and over. Soloing was impossible before a recent patch, and with this patch u can solo the instances.
3) WoW: I know that a lot of people are hating the game because it's popular, or they just wanna say that they hate it, but they probably play it
As a businessman wanting to invest in a game, I would go for WoW without hesitating, because the developers are very smart people, they made a game accessible to everyone. But that doesn't make it a great game. But as a real hardcore gamer, when I look at WoW, all I see is a kids game, nothing else. It's too easy, I got to lvl 40 in 11 days and I was a noob, was new to the game, knew no one in the game, so I wasn't twinked or anything like that. When I play an MMORPG, I want to struggle while having fun, WoW definitivly has the fun factor, for a short moment...Graphics are awesome, sound is good...but that's technical, and that doesn't make a game better for me, EQ and Horizons are 2 of my favourite games, and believe me, the graphics and sound are crappy in these games. WoWs crafting system isn't really a system, all you do is find the mats or buy them and create, you cannot fail, you don't have to work hard. My lvl 40 that i got to 40 in 11 days, had 240 in engineering and 250 in enchanting, and again, no pain at all, just did some market buying and selling and made around 500 gold in this short period and got my skills up...Too easy for an experienced player. I can go on and on but what I'm trying to say, is that WoW is far from being a good game when I look at it from the hardcore gamer eyes. It is a good game for kids and unknowledgeable players...
The worst free games are:
1) Deicide online: Crappy, crappy and crappy, not a single aspect of this game is interesting.
2) Dragon Raja: Some people might like this game, but for me it's just another Korean MMORPG, has nothing special, gets boring after a couple of hours.
3) Runescape: This game is kind of interesting, but it's too slow for me...
Well I'm done
World of Warcraft. The truly sad thing is that Blizzard's name has been whored out by Vivendi (long after all the real talent at Blizzard has left) in order to promote this pile of garbage. It saddens me to think so many people now associate MMOs with mind numbing, brain dead, simplistic, repetitive game mechanics that require nothing of the player other than the ability to sit in their chair and push one or two buttons over and over again. Nothing is more hilarious than watching WoW players get into arguments over who is more "skilled" at the game, as if the game takes any skill or thought to play at all.
Im gonna say
1. FFXI-no solo content what so ever got insanely boring waiting for groups for hrs apon hrs and yes i played that game for years so dont want any of that howlong did you play crap
2.Maplestory-Boring
3.SWG- poor poor game after the change
Yup im thinking those would be my most hated games as of now
1: SWG: I felt like I'd been mugged in a dark alley and had all my cash stolen by the time I'd canceled.
2: AO: You call that SCI-FI? I spent half the time killing unicorns with daggers, everywhere else was deserted!
3: EQ: Bah!
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
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Until you cancel your subscription, you are only helping to continue the cycle of mediocrity.
1) Horizons - great concept crappy implementation. Now owned by a developer that engages in more crooked activities then legit. Its a tribute to people that will pay for crap and take it. The playerbase is perpetually waiting for horizons to make it big. Seems people in that game play more of a waiting game than the actual game. I guess they like to not acknowledge the fact that Horizons features one of the worst if not the worst sieries of grinds an MMO'er will ever encounter.
2) Saga of Ryzom - I could never get the draw of this game. Its not anywhere near as good as the ratiing says it is on this site. Why ?? I don't know really but it was just boriing and it was starting to become a serious grind before I decided to quit
3) Everquest 2 -- I wouldn't say the game is crap. But I'm hard pressed to find any real point to it. It seems to be EQ1 and WoW thrown into a blender and poured out as a new game. Or even really it can be called EQ1 lite. But now days most guilds recruit for raid content only. leaving much of nothing for the casual to get involved in. Its also more group centric than its supporters would like to admit
I sleep with a pillow under my gun.
Ok. Lets be smart.
Down WoW.
Lose 7.5million potential readers/customers/etc.
It's doesn't take any brains to figure that out. No wonder you like the game.
98 Degrees, Backstreet Boys, NSYNC, Britney Spears and Christina Agulara sold 100 times more copies of their CDs each than WoW has sold copies of it's game.Do you like them too?
And we all know how well asian games are made.No, there are plenty of games out there that are good games. SoR is a very good game, not for me, but it is a very good game.
Lineage II - I actually didn't mean to include that on my list. I haven't played it but have read alot about it, I know it's not for me but I know it too is a very good game. (botters killing it though)
WoW is just a peice of junk. You're just a follower. If 7.5million people all started drinking coffee made out of monkey shit (yes there is a coffee that's made from monkey shit) you would be one of those saying it's good for your health and how good the fecal matter felt in your mouth.
First off, if a friend of mine started drinking monkey shit outta of a cofee cup and she said it was good i'll drink it naturally, but if it tastes like shit i'll stop drinking it, but if it doeson't well more monkey shit for me. WoW as you like to put it gives ppl cup of monkey shit, 7.5 million mmorpg playesr play this game, if its this game is monkey shit then monkey shit must be healtht
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Dude, shut your trap with that crap. If you can't see that the game is sub-par then you need to really take a look at thinking you're a gamer.
The game is Mind-Numbingly Fun. It's made to numb your brain. That's it. Nothing more. There is no thinking when it comes to WoW.
maybe you should learn to learn the diffrence between "Not for me" and "sub-par" game.
WoW: best reviews
WoW: Most awards
WoW: Most players.
WoW: Only game that had a break trough in both the West and Asia
WoW: Holds over 50% of the mmorpg subscriber base
Facts are facts.
your basicly saying all those are wrong, and you are right. get real now.
But your post is nothing more then the usual "you don't have the same opinion as I have, so your should consider if your a real gamer, because real gamers play EVE" isn't that right, SnaKey?.
Maybe you should shut your trap.
Maybe you should shut yours, you are telling anyone here that they can't have an opinion about a game that differs from yours, I guess you were allways the kid that took his ball home if the game didn't go your way.
Dude, shut your trap with that crap. If you can't see that the game is sub-par then you need to really take a look at thinking you're a gamer.
The game is Mind-Numbingly Fun. It's made to numb your brain. That's it. Nothing more. There is no thinking when it comes to WoW.
maybe you should learn to learn the diffrence between "Not for me" and "sub-par" game.WoW: best reviewsWoW: Most awardsWoW: Most players.WoW: Only game that had a break trough in both the West and AsiaWoW: Holds over 50% of the mmorpg subscriber baseFacts are facts.your basicly saying all those are wrong, and you are right. get real now.But your post is nothing more then the usual "you don't have the same opinion as I have, so your should consider if your a real gamer, because real gamers play EVE" isn't that right, SnaKey?.Maybe you should shut your trap.
Maybe you should shut yours, you are telling anyone here that they can't have an opinion about a game that differs from yours, I guess you were allways the kid that took his ball home if the game didn't go your way.
No, I'm just mainly sick of that guy always defending stuff with totally invalid reasons. Awards, reviews, etc. do not make a game good, I'm sorry they don't.
It's kinda funny how EVERYONE who can see that WoW is a poorly made game can name you off a list of faults one after another easily. But the poeple who defend it can usually name off 1 or 2 reasons they like it and those are usuallly "it's polished" which it is, I'm not denying it. It's the least buggy MMO I've ever played. And the other reason is "it's got 7million subscribers and my friends play" other than that there is nothing anyone ever says that is good about WoW.
That game is just-not-a-good-game. It's not opinion, it's fact. Like I said before, it's a game that is made to numb your brain.
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10min is nothing. You got killed, what.. once? twice?
Worst one Ive played is Archlord.
It seems a lot of people put Anarchy Online on their lists. I was gonna try that one out. Why does everyone hate it?
Dont go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes you nothing. It was here first. (Mark Twain)
Maybe you should shut yours, you are telling anyone here that they can't have an opinion about a game that differs from yours, I guess you were allways the kid that took his ball home if the game didn't go your way.
No, I'm just mainly sick of that guy always defending stuff with totally invalid reasons. Awards, reviews, etc. do not make a game good, I'm sorry they don't.
It's kinda funny how EVERYONE who can see that WoW is a poorly made game can name you off a list of faults one after another easily. But the poeple who defend it can usually name off 1 or 2 reasons they like it and those are usuallly "it's polished" which it is, I'm not denying it. It's the least buggy MMO I've ever played. And the other reason is "it's got 7million subscribers and my friends play" other than that there is nothing anyone ever says that is good about WoW.
That game is just-not-a-good-game. It's not opinion, it's fact. Like I said before, it's a game that is made to numb your brain.
Yeah, and all those reviewers, award givers and 7,5 million players all wrong, but listen to Snakey, the EVE player who will point out the facts here (which are nothing more then his opinion).
also, did I ever say WoW was the perfect game that never did anything wrong? I just checked, and I didn't.
its funny how you call something a fact when its nothing more then your opinion. but I'm discussing with an EVE player here, so its not surprising he thinks his opinion = fact . its seems to be the normal attitude EVE players have on this forum, I can honnestly only name 4 EVE posters that don't have this elitism attitude around them, and your not one of them.
"Its a game to numb your brain" and thats comming from an EVE player. naturaly, clicking a command and wait for 20 seconds (or 20 minutes if your traveling)and then another 10 seconds to pick up your loot is all but brain numb /sarcasm.
invalid reason?
SnaKey, Why is WoW a bad game?
Snakey:"Because I say so, and all those reviews and award givers are wrong and corrupt, and those 7,5 million players are all stupid and playing the wrong game, and I'm right!!!!"
and lets not forget your well known Britney spears and McDonalds theory.
if anybody here is comming with invalid reasons, then its you.
Dude, shut your trap with that crap. If you can't see that the game is sub-par then you need to really take a look at thinking you're a gamer.
The game is Mind-Numbingly Fun. It's made to numb your brain. That's it. Nothing more. There is no thinking when it comes to WoW.
maybe you should learn to learn the diffrence between "Not for me" and "sub-par" game.
WoW: best reviews
WoW: Most awards
WoW: Most players.
WoW: Only game that had a break trough in both the West and Asia
WoW: Holds over 50% of the mmorpg subscriber base
Facts are facts.
your basicly saying all those are wrong, and you are right. get real now.
But your post is nothing more then the usual "you don't have the same opinion as I have, so your should consider if your a real gamer, because real gamers play EVE" isn't that right, SnaKey?.
Maybe you should shut your trap.
Maybe you should shut yours, you are telling anyone here that they can't have an opinion about a game that differs from yours, I guess you were allways the kid that took his ball home if the game didn't go your way.
Did I ever say he shouldn't have an opinion? No I didn't. but fact remains WoW is a great game.
sure you might not like the game, thats all fine. it means the game is not for you.
you surprise me, I would have expected one of 49 years old would at least know how to read.
a word of advice,
Read first before you open that mouth of yours.
My worst experience was with Lineage 2.
Next : RyL, Knight Online, AC2, Horizons, Shadowbane, and of course, SWG
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It's threads like this that bring out the worst in people. The OP asks in your "opinion" what are the worst mmo's. Some people instead of just answering the question feel the need to defend their game of choice like it's a matter of life and death to them.
Anyways, in my "opinion" the worst MMO ever made is Dark and Light. It's pretty hard to find a worse game on the market. This game managed to go from a community of 750,000 people to a few thousand in less than a month after release. On MMORPG.com it managed to go from the most hyped and anticipated game to a rating of 3.4. Even the great SWG exodus can't come close to matching those numbers. In terms of sheer incompentence, Dark and Light simply cannot be beat.
Well You summed it up for me with the "It's a great game." When I played WoW I would have loved a server with less not more people. Not because of lag, Just because I couldn't care less about anyone else but my friends on it. What the other X amount of players did on the server had absolutely no effect on me. If WoW's multiplayer was done like Diablo's with a seperate auction house I might actually of enjoyed the game MORE.
Is WoW a really well coded game... Yes
Is it a good MMORPG... NO
Why is it a poor MMORPG?
Same reasons alot of MMORPGs are really poor:
NPC driven Content
NPC driven content is a holdover from the Pen and Paper roleplaying days when you only have 5 people and you have to use NPCs to fill the many characters. NPCs were also used to Direct playes and allow a Single person to attempt to create a populated and immersive enviroment by directing players through a small area of the world that is easy to plan out ahead of time. Now in MMORPGs what happens is that you eventually reach a point where the developers cannot create content faster than players can Beat/finish the old stuff., end result the "raiding issue" with make .05% drops to make players want to run the same quest repeatively to give the devs more time to make more content.
Now NPCs do have a place in the game but more as stand-ins when you need other characters on side quests.
Static World
nothing ever changes in WoW aqnd most MMOs. if it was there yesterday more and likely it will be there tommorrow and the next day and the next day. When was the last time you logged into the WoW forums to see if anything major had happened to the game world when you left? doubt you ever did. Static worlds are really good for linear games where you reach a end point and then quit, but with MMOs you need dynamic worlds run by players to allow things to keep interesting.
Poor Crafting
Well its another side effect from the NPC driven content/raiding. You need to have uber items to make people want to repeat that same quest for that .05% drop rate. So that means that in the end crafted items have to be worse then raid items. that all ends up to the problem in WoW, only a select few trade skills are actually useful in the long run. And to add to this problem is the fact that equipment is never destroyed/lossed so there is no reason NOT to use the uber raid drops further lowering demand on player crafted items. Which leads to the next problem
Horrible PVP
having both Level and equipment being a major factor in who wins, on top of absolutely no REAL effect on the game world makes it bad. In order to make people raid lets add another system of Better than crafted items that you have to grind PVP in order to get so people will continue to do repatitve PVP.
When you have a game with the opposite of the above you start having the something that you'll get alot more respect. With a dynamic world, where PVP for the control of resources to replace combat losses you have something that doesn't become boring as its a constant struggle with player factions constantly changing tactics to overcome other players. And since WoW does not have that dynamic level is why I think its one of the Worst MMORPGs.
Well You summed it up for me with the "It's a great game." When I played WoW I would have loved a server with less not more people. Not because of lag, Just because I couldn't care less about anyone else but my friends on it. What the other X amount of players did on the server had absolutely no effect on me. If WoW's multiplayer was done like Diablo's with a seperate auction house I might actually of enjoyed the game MORE.
Is WoW a really well coded game... Yes
Is it a good MMORPG... NO
Why is it a poor MMORPG?
Same reasons alot of MMORPGs are really poor:
NPC driven Content
NPC driven content is a holdover from the Pen and Paper roleplaying days when you only have 5 people and you have to use NPCs to fill the many characters. NPCs were also used to Direct playes and allow a Single person to attempt to create a populated and immersive enviroment by directing players through a small area of the world that is easy to plan out ahead of time. Now in MMORPGs what happens is that you eventually reach a point where the developers cannot create content faster than players can Beat/finish the old stuff., end result the "raiding issue" with make .05% drops to make players want to run the same quest repeatively to give the devs more time to make more content.
Now NPCs do have a place in the game but more as stand-ins when you need other characters on side quests.
Static World
nothing ever changes in WoW aqnd most MMOs. if it was there yesterday more and likely it will be there tommorrow and the next day and the next day. When was the last time you logged into the WoW forums to see if anything major had happened to the game world when you left? doubt you ever did. Static worlds are really good for linear games where you reach a end point and then quit, but with MMOs you need dynamic worlds run by players to allow things to keep interesting.
Poor Crafting
Well its another side effect from the NPC driven content/raiding. You need to have uber items to make people want to repeat that same quest for that .05% drop rate. So that means that in the end crafted items have to be worse then raid items. that all ends up to the problem in WoW, only a select few trade skills are actually useful in the long run. And to add to this problem is the fact that equipment is never destroyed/lossed so there is no reason NOT to use the uber raid drops further lowering demand on player crafted items. Which leads to the next problem
Horrible PVP
having both Level and equipment being a major factor in who wins, on top of absolutely no REAL effect on the game world makes it bad. In order to make people raid lets add another system of Better than crafted items that you have to grind PVP in order to get so people will continue to do repatitve PVP.
When you have a game with the opposite of the above you start having the something that you'll get alot more respect. With a dynamic world, where PVP for the control of resources to replace combat losses you have something that doesn't become boring as its a constant struggle with player factions constantly changing tactics to overcome other players. And since WoW does not have that dynamic level is why I think its one of the Worst MMORPGs.
good ideas here. I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter.
Is it a good MMORPG... NO
Why is it a poor MMORPG?
Same reasons alot of MMORPGs are really poor:
NPC driven Content
NPC driven content is a holdover from the Pen and Paper roleplaying days when you only have 5 people and you have to use NPCs to fill the many characters. NPCs were also used to Direct playes and allow a Single person to attempt to create a populated and immersive enviroment by directing players through a small area of the world that is easy to plan out ahead of time. Now in MMORPGs what happens is that you eventually reach a point where the developers cannot create content faster than players can Beat/finish the old stuff., end result the "raiding issue" with make .05% drops to make players want to run the same quest repeatively to give the devs more time to make more content.
Now NPCs do have a place in the game but more as stand-ins when you need other characters on side quests.
Static World
nothing ever changes in WoW aqnd most MMOs. if it was there yesterday more and likely it will be there tommorrow and the next day and the next day. When was the last time you logged into the WoW forums to see if anything major had happened to the game world when you left? doubt you ever did. Static worlds are really good for linear games where you reach a end point and then quit, but with MMOs you need dynamic worlds run by players to allow things to keep interesting.
Poor Crafting
Well its another side effect from the NPC driven content/raiding. You need to have uber items to make people want to repeat that same quest for that .05% drop rate. So that means that in the end crafted items have to be worse then raid items. that all ends up to the problem in WoW, only a select few trade skills are actually useful in the long run. And to add to this problem is the fact that equipment is never destroyed/lossed so there is no reason NOT to use the uber raid drops further lowering demand on player crafted items. Which leads to the next problem
Horrible PVP
having both Level and equipment being a major factor in who wins, on top of absolutely no REAL effect on the game world makes it bad. In order to make people raid lets add another system of Better than crafted items that you have to grind PVP in order to get so people will continue to do repatitve PVP.
When you have a game with the opposite of the above you start having the something that you'll get alot more respect. With a dynamic world, where PVP for the control of resources to replace combat losses you have something that doesn't become boring as its a constant struggle with player factions constantly changing tactics to overcome other players. And since WoW does not have that dynamic level is why I think its one of the Worst MMORPGs.
good ideas here. I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter.
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Dude, shut your trap with that crap. If you can't see that the game is sub-par then you need to really take a look at thinking you're a gamer.
The game is Mind-Numbingly Fun. It's made to numb your brain. That's it. Nothing more. There is no thinking when it comes to WoW.
maybe you should learn to learn the diffrence between "Not for me" and "sub-par" game.
WoW: best reviews
WoW: Most awards
WoW: Most players.
WoW: Only game that had a break trough in both the West and Asia
WoW: Holds over 50% of the mmorpg subscriber base
Facts are facts.
your basicly saying all those are wrong, and you are right. get real now.
But your post is nothing more then the usual "you don't have the same opinion as I have, so your should consider if your a real gamer, because real gamers play EVE" isn't that right, SnaKey?.
Maybe you should shut your trap.
Hey, stop lying, the most played MMORPG are Yulgang, and Westward Journey ; both are Chinese MMORPGs. WoW is not the most played MMORPG.
Yulgang only has 500,000 or so ACTIVE accounts and 15million Accounts for a free game this is nothing spectacular expecially in china. Now, if you look at how many WoW copies were actually SOLD for $50 each.
WoW Surpasses 1 Million in North America August 29, 2005
World of Warcraft Sells In China 1.5 Million Chinese and counting now playing. July 20, 2005
Games: World of Warcraft Breaks Records in Europe 280 000 copies sold on first day at retail. - February 15, 2005
All those links are at LEAST a year old.
Here is an Idea on how old they really are:
Games: World of Warcraft at 2 Million - June 14, 2005
Two million addicts now playing around the world
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