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A picture says a thousand words. I'm fairly speechless about this one.
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Originally posted by Adreal "Keep to the topic." I agree, but it was inevitable... Anyway, check this out-
A picture says a thousand words. I'm fairly speechless about this one.
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Wth, man thats weird looking. It looks either like an eye, or an orb with a inner glow.
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
When someone comes up with the topic of considering life outside of our own planet, it usually ends up in a religous discussion. I should know; just look at my username. This happens because that thought challenges one's beliefs. Many of those that believe in a god will use theology instead of scientific reasoning to comprehend that thought.
Actually knowledge of other life doesnt debunk religion, but rather supports it. You obviously didnt read all of the posts.
As for scientific reasoning, there is such a thing? Hrm...news to me. I'm pretty sure all they do is make theories.
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
Thomas Deflo, MA in Philosophy Our solar system is dwarfed by the Milky Way galaxy to which it belongs. But the Milky Way, containing 400,000 million stars, is only a mote in the universe. There are thousands of millions of such galaxies, most with their own myriad of stars, having their own planetary systems. If only 1/10,000 of 1 per cent of these planets harbor a civilization and this is a very conservative estimate the universe must teem with more than 100 million million civilizations.
I think that sums up the chances of life on other planets very well, even intelligent life. I don't doubt at all if there is life outside of our planet. The question that I think that is more important is, "are any of these intelligent life from other planets visiting us?"
Thomas Deflo, MA in Philosophy Our solar system is dwarfed by the Milky Way galaxy to which it belongs. But the Milky Way, containing 400,000 million stars, is only a mote in the universe. There are thousands of millions of such galaxies, most with their own myriad of stars, having their own planetary systems. If only 1/10,000 of 1 per cent of these planets harbor a civilization and this is a very conservative estimate the universe must teem with more than 100 million million civilizations.
I think that sums up the chances of life on other planets very well, even intelligent life. I don't doubt at all if there is life outside of our planet. The question that I think that is more important is, "are any of these intelligent life from other planets visiting us?"
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
Originally posted by Finwe As for scientific reasoning, there is such a thing? Hrm...news to me. I'm pretty sure all they do is make theories.
Here's a book for ya. They also teach it at the University of Massachusetts Amherst and many other universities. Another term of scientific reasoning is inductive reasoning. Scientific reasoning is about testing hypothesis, which may be the reason that you think all they (I'm not sure who they were because we were talking about scientific reasoning) do is make theories. The hypothesis are tested to see if logic still follows.
BTW, I mentioned nothing about debunking religion. You may have read my post, but obviously you didn't comprehend it and decided to put your own meaning into it. I was talking about methods and nothing else.
When someone comes up with the topic of considering life outside of our own planet, it usually ends up in a religous discussion. I should know; just look at my username. This happens because that thought challenges one's beliefs. Many of those that believe in a god will use theology instead of scientific reasoning to comprehend that thought.
Precisely... However others have been deviating a little.
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That webpage full of crap.First he assumes life needs nitrogeon to exist??Second he assumes all life form follow our way of evolution.In short he assumes so much.
I can't prove there is another form of intelligent life out there.But if odds of there been nothing else out there is almost impossible.
I am also a christian but I can tell you God did not make this billions of other stars with planets around them(we now have prove that many of this stars have planets around them sadly we can only detect the hugh jupiter type ones yet) just for us to gaze on.
Many say why don't the aliens just come down and say hi to us.Honestly speaking if you were an alien with technology 1000 years more advanced then humans.Would you want to pop down and say "oh hi we are from vega system .would some of you like to come and see it ?".
If I was an alien I keep the heck away from humans.Just observing our planet for a few hours what do you see- 1)pollution 2)hunger 3)a nice war in Iraq.
All of human making nothing natural there.So would you want to give this race technology that is 1000 years more advanced ?I think not.Heck it is even a big risk to interact with them because next thing you end up on some toture rack till you help them build super weapons.
Heck if an alien came to me and said hey we want you to join our galactic family and we will teach you how to make space crafts to travel to us,I would say NO!We kill each other for pleasure ,what the heck do you think we will do to some other species?
To such a species we must look very barbaric .
Maybe even there is an area 51 and supposely a similar one in russia.But even if there is ,would any government share the fact they have a crashed alien space craft.No!It has very advanced technology on it.However,I doubt if any government has an alien craft they can do anything with it.Kind of giving a caveman a stealth bomber .Without a A-Z maunal for dummies they probably would not even be able to figure out how to star the craft
I would like to personally apologize to any athiests and agnostics I may have offended during this thread. The topic of religion is too stressful for me to debate. Its good to be back on topic.
And for the record, I have nothing against those with religious beliefs other than mine. I have upmost respect for the personal life choices of others. My "immoral athiests" post was a poor attempt at humor; not meant to insult anyone. Again, I apologize.
*glances at Rick's bike* Looks like you could send that baby to the moon, or at least do the E.T. thing...
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Hes the reason why aliens feel its unsafe to visit us...
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
Scientists think that its a sphere, but they think its just some kind of "matter sphere" so to speak, not that there is some metal shield at the end of the universe. And as I previously said, scientists think that it has no physical sphere, but rather think of a constellation, you have the whole universe on one map, and you look at all the stars and they make a sphere. Which all of it is a load of crap anyhow because it makes absolutely no sense. Their whole theory is flawed, and thats why they make even more theories to try to prove it. God didnt come to be, God was, is, and always will be. How can I explain this? I cant, but logically its the only answer.
Ive read many books on this ubject and never came across even remotely resembling a "matter sphere"
Originally posted by Poopshooter the depressing thing is that many of those galaxys are billions of years long dead. we are looking back in time every time we look back up at the sky.
Aye. Everytime a star explodes, it's illuminating lgith stays in the sky for 7 years. So, whenever you look into the sky, just think to yourself, has that star exploded yet..or are my eyes gazing upon the real thing...
It's awesome to ponder so many things, often times I like to go to the lake near my house, get on my boat and just stare into the sky at night... that's when I feel most at peace. With myself and with the world. The insects, the wind, the lake, the fish, even the trees themselves seem to set a mood upon a person. It's liberating...and one finds themselves breathing deeper into a calmer state. It's when you get that free time just to think about things that certain people wouldn't blink an eye at. It's great and wonderous to have such free thoughts at times, makes a person feel alive.
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"Ive read many books on this ubject and never came across even remotely resembling a "matter sphere" "
Well from what I've heard, thats what they think, that there isnt anything like some invisible force field, but rather just matter expanding out, furthering the universe. But like I said, there theories are just moronic, and absolutely make no sense, completely non-sensical.
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
Originally posted by zentusken I don't think that anyone with out a degree and years in a field can say its moronic with making themselves appear foollish.
Doesnt take a genius to tell that the majority of scientist's are morons makeing theories and trying to fool the general public in actually thinking that they know what they're even speaking about.
It only takes common sense.
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
I want to say a few things. The Bible was Writen by men interpteing what god has told them. men are flawed.. Science Journels where Written By men, Men are flawed.. you can not take anything writen by men as LAW...as it is flawed. THe bibel has lost a lot in translations and over the years. most of you are refereing to king james text.. what if Mr King over there just decided to not put a few things in. anyways. Until a God or someone hands me a book Written By him..
anyways I am Pagan.. thats my take. tho i don't find anyones Religion Contrictiing anyone els. I feel they all exciste together. excuse my spelling.
Conservatism. Just old white men trying to find ways to legalize discrimination, and make the poor poorer
Originally posted by MuppetHero I want to say a few things. The Bible was Writen by men interpteing what god has told them. men are flawed.. Science Journels where Written By men, Men are flawed.. you can not take anything writen by men as LAW...as it is flawed. THe bibel has lost a lot in translations and over the years. most of you are refereing to king james text.. what if Mr King over there just decided to not put a few things in. anyways. Until a God or someone hands me a book Written By him.. anyways I am Pagan.. thats my take. tho i don't find anyones Religion Contrictiing anyone els. I feel they all exciste together. excuse my spelling.
The bible was written by men, told to them by God. Its like a writer and his quill, the quill may be the one writing it, but the writer is the mastermind.
And I never claimed King James version was completely correct, actually I've found that King James did add in a couple things, although overall a very good translation. But thats why I prefer to read out of Bibles that have exact translations from languages like aramaic, and hebrew.
Man is flawed, but you're point seems rather moot considering the Bible was not written by man, but by God.
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
I dissiagee. it has said that man can not Comprehend god. thus I am sure mad did not get every point god was makeing. Other wise Christians would not be killing people in the name of God. talking about past not so much present. Nore would God have said. Women can't do this and that. That is all mans thing...there are lots of things in the bible that I truly beleave god would not have said. Love thy Neighbor. But only if he meets These QUilifcications!
Conservatism. Just old white men trying to find ways to legalize discrimination, and make the poor poorer
Originally posted by MuppetHero I dissiagee. it has said that man can not Comprehend god. thus I am sure mad did not get every point god was makeing. Other wise Christians would not be killing people in the name of God. talking about past not so much present. Nore would God have said. Women can't do this and that. That is all mans thing...there are lots of things in the bible that I truly beleave god would not have said. Love thy Neighbor. But only if he meets These QUilifcications!
Give examples.
As for i'm sure you're talking about certain killings during the strength of the papacy during the middle ages, some of the killings were right, some of them were wrong. And even some of those that claimed they were christian, were not, but just politicians wanting power. Dont judge of what the bible says by people, but by what the bible says.
Even if man does not understand all what God said, it said what he said. Its like if you only speak english, and your carrying on the conversation of what a spanish man said in spanish, even if you dont understand it, it's still there. He may not understand what the spanish man said, but he said it. Just because some may not comprehend it, it doesnt mean its not there.
Now if you have something to say, say it, dont say something so vague. You seem to have something to say, but bring up the points your makeing or I cant really answer you.
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
Just to not get to far off of topic, let's go back to Enoch and Elijah while sticking with your theory that God wrote the Bible. 2 Kings 2:11 As they continued walking and talking, a chariot of fire and horses of fire seperated the two of them, and Elijah ascended in a whirlwind into heaven. Genesis 5:24 Enoch walked with God; then he was no more, because God took him. John 3:13 No one has ascended into heaven except the one who has descended from heaven, the Son of Man.
There seems to be a contradiction there. Is Jesus saying that Elijah didn't ascended into heaven or is he lieing and Elijah did ascend into heaven. Of course Jesus couldn't lie, could he? Then that must mean the story about Elijah is false, which means that the whole Bible couldn't possibly be written by God.
The Bible was written by men, but inspired by God. It was believed that no one did go up to heaven because of the fall of man, that the gates of Heaven were closed, but when Jesus ascended into heaven, he opened them. So of course there may be small human errors, but I don't think there'd be anything that big...
Incase you cant follow Alients post. Elijah was taken by the whirlwind into heaven as stated by the 2Kings. But, this is before Jesus's Crucifixion, which is before he opened up the gates to heaven. Which makes the statement that follows; Jesus saying no man has ascended into heaven -- the contradiction
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"Keep to the topic."
I agree, but it was inevitable... Anyway, check this out-
A picture says a thousand words. I'm fairly speechless about this one.
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Wth, man thats weird looking. It looks either like an eye, or an orb with a inner glow.
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
Actually knowledge of other life doesnt debunk religion, but rather supports it. You obviously didnt read all of the posts.
As for scientific reasoning, there is such a thing? Hrm...news to me. I'm pretty sure all they do is make theories.
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
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They took me! They abducted me! Ahhh! SCULLY!!!
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
BTW, I mentioned nothing about debunking religion. You may have read my post, but obviously you didn't comprehend it and decided to put your own meaning into it. I was talking about methods and nothing else.
Precisely... However others have been deviating a little.
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That webpage full of crap.First he assumes life needs nitrogeon to exist??Second he assumes all life form follow our way of evolution.In short he assumes so much.
I can't prove there is another form of intelligent life out there.But if odds of there been nothing else out there is almost impossible.
I am also a christian but I can tell you God did not make this billions of other stars with planets around them(we now have prove that many of this stars have planets around them sadly we can only detect the hugh jupiter type ones yet) just for us to gaze on.
Many say why don't the aliens just come down and say hi to us.Honestly speaking if you were an alien with technology 1000 years more advanced then humans.Would you want to pop down and say "oh hi we are from vega system .would some of you like to come and see it ?".
If I was an alien I keep the heck away from humans.Just observing our planet for a few hours what do you see- 1)pollution 2)hunger 3)a nice war in Iraq.
All of human making nothing natural there.So would you want to give this race technology that is 1000 years more advanced ?I think not.Heck it is even a big risk to interact with them because next thing you end up on some toture rack till you help them build super weapons.
Heck if an alien came to me and said hey we want you to join our galactic family and we will teach you how to make space crafts to travel to us,I would say NO!We kill each other for pleasure ,what the heck do you think we will do to some other species?
To such a species we must look very barbaric .
Maybe even there is an area 51 and supposely a similar one in russia.But even if there is ,would any government share the fact they have a crashed alien space craft.No!It has very advanced technology on it.However,I doubt if any government has an alien craft they can do anything with it.Kind of giving a caveman a stealth bomber .Without a A-Z maunal for dummies they probably would not even be able to figure out how to star the craft
I would like to personally apologize to any athiests and agnostics I may have offended during this thread. The topic of religion is too stressful for me to debate. Its good to be back on topic.
And for the record, I have nothing against those with religious beliefs other than mine. I have upmost respect for the personal life choices of others. My "immoral athiests" post was a poor attempt at humor; not meant to insult anyone. Again, I apologize.
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"Ive read many books on this ubject and never came across even remotely resembling a "matter sphere" "
Well from what I've heard, thats what they think, that there isnt anything like some invisible force field, but rather just matter expanding out, furthering the universe. But like I said, there theories are just moronic, and absolutely make no sense, completely non-sensical.
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
It only takes common sense.
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
I want to say a few things. The Bible was Writen by men interpteing what god has told them. men are flawed.. Science Journels where Written By men, Men are flawed.. you can not take anything writen by men as LAW...as it is flawed. THe bibel has lost a lot in translations and over the years. most of you are refereing to king james text.. what if Mr King over there just decided to not put a few things in. anyways. Until a God or someone hands me a book Written By him..
anyways I am Pagan.. thats my take. tho i don't find anyones Religion Contrictiing anyone els. I feel they all exciste together. excuse my spelling.
Conservatism.
Just old white men trying to find ways to legalize discrimination, and make the poor poorer
The bible was written by men, told to them by God. Its like a writer and his quill, the quill may be the one writing it, but the writer is the mastermind.
And I never claimed King James version was completely correct, actually I've found that King James did add in a couple things, although overall a very good translation. But thats why I prefer to read out of Bibles that have exact translations from languages like aramaic, and hebrew.
Man is flawed, but you're point seems rather moot considering the Bible was not written by man, but by God.
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
Conservatism.
Just old white men trying to find ways to legalize discrimination, and make the poor poorer
Give examples.
As for i'm sure you're talking about certain killings during the strength of the papacy during the middle ages, some of the killings were right, some of them were wrong. And even some of those that claimed they were christian, were not, but just politicians wanting power. Dont judge of what the bible says by people, but by what the bible says.
Even if man does not understand all what God said, it said what he said. Its like if you only speak english, and your carrying on the conversation of what a spanish man said in spanish, even if you dont understand it, it's still there. He may not understand what the spanish man said, but he said it. Just because some may not comprehend it, it doesnt mean its not there.
Now if you have something to say, say it, dont say something so vague. You seem to have something to say, but bring up the points your makeing or I cant really answer you.
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
Just to not get to far off of topic, let's go back to Enoch and Elijah while sticking with your theory that God wrote the Bible.
2 Kings 2:11
As they continued walking and talking, a chariot of fire and horses of fire seperated the two of them, and Elijah ascended in a whirlwind into heaven.
Genesis 5:24
Enoch walked with God; then he was no more, because God took him.
John 3:13
No one has ascended into heaven except the one who has descended from heaven, the Son of Man.
There seems to be a contradiction there. Is Jesus saying that Elijah didn't ascended into heaven or is he lieing and Elijah did ascend into heaven. Of course Jesus couldn't lie, could he? Then that must mean the story about Elijah is false, which means that the whole Bible couldn't possibly be written by God.
Incase you cant follow Alients post. Elijah was taken by the whirlwind into heaven as stated by the 2Kings. But, this is before Jesus's Crucifixion, which is before he opened up the gates to heaven. Which makes the statement that follows; Jesus saying no man has ascended into heaven -- the contradiction
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